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Biden gets four Pinocchios for tax lie

posted at 11:33 am on September 26, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Joe Biden told a Greensburg, PA crowd yesterday that John McCain planned the biggest middle-class tax increase in history in his health-insurance plan, but Biden told half the story and a full-blown lie.  The Washington Post caught him at it, and gave the Democratic VP candidate four Pinocchios in its fact-checking blog.  Here’s Biden at work, lying to Pennsylvanians:

John McCain and Sarah Palin “are proposing the largest increase on middle class taxpayers in American history….It will cost the middle class over one trillion dollars in additional taxes. It is almost unbelievable.” –Joe Biden campaign rally, Greensburg, PA. September 25, 2008.

Actually, it is unbelievable — and extremely disingenuous.  Biden described only a part of McCain’s plan to tax health benefits, and neglected to demonstrate how it actually works.  Michael Dobbs explains:

John McCain wants to drastically overhaul the health insurance system in order to encourage Americans to go out and buy their own health care plans rather than relying on employer-based plans. To achieve this, he plans to tax employer-provided health benefits and provide a $2,500 tax credit ($5,000 for families) toward the cost of health insurance.

By most independent calculations, the McCain plan will leave most taxpayers better off in strictly financial terms, at least until 2013. After 2013, the benefits will begin to diminish. By 2018, taxpayers in the top quintile will be slightly worse off, but middle-income taxpayers will either break even or be slightly ahead. According to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, the McCain proposals will result in a net benefit of $1,241 to the average tax payer in 2009, $895 in 2013, and $386 in 2018.

“It is not fair to pull out just one part of the McCain proposal,” said Eric Toder, a TPC analyst. “It is a package. They are giving back more than they are taking away.”

What makes this especially egregious is that this plan addresses the self-employed uninsured, one of the Democrats’ supposed policy priorities, by breaking the lock on employees and their health insurance.  The balance of the tax credit allows people to negotiate for health insurance on their own, making their health insurance completely portable and disconnected from their employment.  This also allows people to take more risks in starting new businesses and self-employment.  Meanwhile, it also allows employers to eventually get out of the health-insurance business and have consumers bear the true costs in order to make the market more rational and competitive.

One can argue as to whether this plan is effective, but one thing that it isn’t is a massive new tax burden on the middle class.  As the TPC notes, it actually lessens the tax burden on the middle class for the foreseeable future.  It also puts capital into a free-market environment, which will open new opportunities in health insurance and allow people to get as much or as little insurance as they need or desire.  McCain’s plan would not increase costs or decrease revenues while it solves one of the biggest stumbling blocks in making health insurance accessible to all.

Biden and Barack Obama simply can’t compete with that plan.  Instead, they just lie about it in order to scare voters, but the real fear is that McCain could take leadership on health care from their own statist, top-down, Medicare-Squared approach.  Four Pinocchios may not be enough for this lie.


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Democrats are liars. Always have been and always will be otherwise who would vote for them except those that know of and approve their socialist agenda?

DerKrieger on September 26, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Four Pinocchios may not be enough for this lie.

A smack upside the head and making him tell the truth (even though I doubt he knows what that is) in front of that audience would be a start.

I heard on Fox that he put over 50 million in earmarks in the Bail out bin. Anyone else hear that?

upinak on September 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM

opps bill…

haven;t gotten a full cup of coffee yet.

upinak on September 26, 2008 at 11:38 AM

I think the Dems performances with the bail out legislation just about says everything that needs to be said about honesty. Or lack there of.

Cindy Munford on September 26, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Ed, please tell me you or AP DVRed yesterday’s Special Report…. During the Political Grapevine they ripped apart another Biden lie, and it was beautiful.

RightWinged on September 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM

The debate is on!

God I hope McCain takes Obama to the woodshed.

DerKrieger on September 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM

He’s a lawyer….they lie! and being a democrat it a job requirement

grapeknutz on September 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM

The WaPoo blog??

Wow, that’ll get legs….not.

And the WaPoo will point to this as “proof” of its unbiased coverage.

WILLIAM AYERS! sheesh

ex-Democrat on September 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM

This would put the health insurance industry on track to be as competitive as the auto insurance industry.

Why does Geico run so many ads? Because Geico makes money. By offering lower prices on car insurance.

Why don’t health insurance companies run ads? Because they don’t want individuals to buy health insurance. They want employers to by their health insurance packages and employers don’t know your needs like you know your needs.

This would be a huge help for my family, as I am an independent contractor. It would also make health insurance companies become more responsive to individuals, whose interests are different from those of employers.

NoDonkey on September 26, 2008 at 11:40 AM

It has become painfully obvious that the Obama campaign feels perfectly comfortable lying about ANYTHING! The MSM usually doesn’t call them on it and even if they do, the lie usually sticks. This is how they will govern, folks! LIES, LIES and the LYING LIARS who tell them. It’ll be just like the old Soviet Union. “It’s the truth, because we say it is” Sheeeet.

anniekc on September 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM

I can’t see how McCain’s plan would be a benefit. If my employer-provided health plan is taxable to the company, the company will just factor in the taxes as part of what they consider the benefit they provide me — and will reduce my raises to cover that. If the plan is taxable to me, that amounts to a double-tax — I’m taking my post-tax dollars, buying coverage, and then being taxed again. This is what the Government already does to me with my AD&D insurance at work.

As we’ve already learned, taxing as a method of social engineering is not a good way to go.

Anyone understand how McCain’s plan would really work from a money-flow standpoint?

I’m certainly not going to vote for him, but I’m wondering if Biden may have a point here, once one considers all the ramifications.

unclesmrgol on September 26, 2008 at 11:43 AM

No one cares about Joe Biden.

Abby Adams on September 26, 2008 at 11:43 AM

John McCain and Sarah Palin “are proposing the largest increase on middle class taxpayers in American history …”

But, isn’t that, like, a GOOD thing? I mean, I thought you Dems were FOR tax increases? Are you now saying (admitting) that tax increases are BAD?

Tony737 on September 26, 2008 at 11:43 AM

How about the tax increase Palin wants to give the Jooooos and the blacks? He forgot about those. Shame, shame, shame.

Fuquay Steve on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM

NoDonkey on September 26, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Donkey, the only thing I am worried about concerning healthcare are those whom have ongoing problems. If people are able to get their own insurance… that would be great in my eyes.
But what about those who are really sick? Or have heart problems, cancer, etc. Will they pay the same amount as the rest or more becuase they WILL have to go to the doc’s more often as well as have more tests. Will they get the same treatment or will they be put off on the side?

upinak on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM

From what I’ve read, McCain’s plan would also allow the self-insured to purchase insurance from out of state. That would be a boon for those of us self-employed here in WA. I wouldn’t have to buy mental health insurance, for example (as Washington State mandates).

29Victor on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Oh, my assumption above is that, because my employer has purchased a group plan, it would be cheaper than me going out and buying stuff myself. When I look at Kaiser Permanente coverage, for example, it’s far cheaper for my company to purchase and pass the costs on than for me to go to Kaiser directly and purchase coverage.

Factor that thought into any response, please.

unclesmrgol on September 26, 2008 at 11:46 AM

HOW UN-PATRIOTIC OF THAT MIDDLE CLASS, NOT PAYING MORE TAXES!!!!!!!

pherrman on September 26, 2008 at 11:46 AM

But, isn’t that, like, a GOOD thing? I mean, I thought you Dems were FOR tax increases? Are you now saying (admitting) that tax increases are BAD?

Tony737 on September 26, 2008 at 11:43 AM

The democrats are only for taxes if they are democrat taxes.

The democrats are for women if they are democrats.

The democrats are for blacks if they are democrats.

etc…

jukin on September 26, 2008 at 11:48 AM

From what I’ve read, McCain’s plan would also allow the self-insured to purchase insurance from out of state. That would be a boon for those of us self-employed here in WA. I wouldn’t have to buy mental health insurance, for example (as Washington State mandates).

29Victor on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM

You would have to purchase all types of insurance your state mandates as a self-employed individual, unless McCain’s provisions preempt all State requirements. As for purchasing non-Washington State insurance, consider that a lot of insurance companies that aren’t State-registered are incorporated in interesting places like the Bahamas. They are there for a reason — so that they can skedaddle if the going gets rough…

unclesmrgol on September 26, 2008 at 11:51 AM

I’d have gone Spinal Tap on this one and given him five, even though the WaPo Pinocchio Scale only goes up to four.

Bruce in NH on September 26, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Donkey, the only thing I am worried about concerning healthcare are those whom have ongoing problems. If people are able to get their own insurance… that would be great in my eyes.
But what about those who are really sick? Or have heart problems, cancer, etc. Will they pay the same amount as the rest or more becuase they WILL have to go to the doc’s more often as well as have more tests. Will they get the same treatment or will they be put off on the side?

upinak on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Its a standardized freeloading problem. People have come to view having someone else pay for treatment of catastrophic illness as a right. Employer provided ends up doing this because the insurance company has to take whoever the employer hires, and the employer doesn’t care about hiring people that are going to cost the insurance company money.

Count to 10 on September 26, 2008 at 11:54 AM

If anybody who is self employed votes for Obama, they are insane or extremely misinformed.

My Social security tax burden stands to go up by thousands of dollars per year under the Democrats’ tax plan. A draft already exists. Charlie Rangel wrote it (HR 3970), and he will continue to write tax legislation as long as the Democrats control the House.

I make less than 250k and my taxes will in fact go up under that plan. I’m pretty well tired of being told I can expect a tax cut. It’s a lie.

forest on September 26, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Amazing that some folks are freaking out about the possibility of Palin being ” a heartbeat away from the presidency.” How often have we heard that refrain in the last month?

Imagine – Biden might be “a heartbeat away from the presidency,” and no one is worried about Pinnochio Joe?

Cody1991 on September 26, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Count to 10 on September 26, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Count, ummm well that is nice that you can generalize it. But my Mom isn’t a freeloader and she has sever heart problems and the Company she is working with is having issue with their insurance right now.

Thanks though… for the “words’ of encourangement.

upinak on September 26, 2008 at 11:58 AM

The old adage applies:

How can you tell when a Democrat is LYING?

When his lips are moving…

originalpechanga on September 26, 2008 at 11:59 AM

I might never be able to get my own insurance if and when my husband gets out of the military- I have a pre-existing condition, so few if any would cover me. That’s a scary propasition to consider. I would have to suffer immense pain for the rest of my life simply because I had been born unlucky. Or go into debt and be a drain on society and pay for treatment out-of-pocket.

This is a tricky subject. I’m for having the health insurance industry work like auto insurance – and just like you can still get reasonable insurance if you’ve had an accident, you should still be able to get insurance at a decent price if you have a preexisting condition.

Anna on September 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM

I long for the lazy, hazy days of summer when we could all kick back and watch funny Obama videos. So much reading and analysis is giving my little pea brain a headache!

Mr_Magoo on September 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Expect this to get worse. Expect more lies in the next 5 weeks than you can keep up with, let alone refute. These guys have a Branch of Government to steal.

DrSteve on September 26, 2008 at 12:03 PM

People have come to view having someone else pay for treatment of catastrophic illness as a right.
Count to 10 on September 26, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Isn’t that what insurance is all about? Not necessarily a right but spreading the risk so that the healthy and unhealthy balance out. Premiums are adjustments to the results and future risk assessments. Spreading the risk among a large group of people helps us all slepp at night.

Mr_Magoo on September 26, 2008 at 12:06 PM

But what about those who are really sick? Or have heart problems, cancer, etc. Will they pay the same amount as the rest or more becuase they WILL have to go to the doc’s more often as well as have more tests. Will they get the same treatment or will they be put off on the side?

upinak on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM

That would concern me too. As I said in an earlier post, I prefer we insure as many as possible and spread the rsik. Personally, I don’t mind paying a little extra if everyone can be cared for without losing everything in doing it. Or being elft out completely.

Mr_Magoo on September 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM

As soon as everyone with Plasma TVs are forced to BUY insurance, this makes sense. I DON’T WANT TO PAY FOR PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT TO BUY INSURANCE!!! NOR ILLEGALS!!!

marklmail on September 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Does anyone listen to Biden for reliable information anyway? I think the crowds show up for the entertainment value.

Cicero43 on September 26, 2008 at 12:33 PM

As soon as everyone with Plasma TVs are forced to BUY insurance, this makes sense.
marklmail on September 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Are you implying that we can all sit by and allow the government to discriminate against certain Americans based on their appliances?

“They came for the plasma TV owners, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a plasma TV owner…”

Cicero43 on September 26, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Operation Sling Blade

Operation Save Our Biden!

HornetSting on September 26, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Does anyone listen to Biden for reliable information anyway? I think the crowds show up for the entertainment value.

Cicero43 on September 26, 2008 at 12:33 PM

I know I do.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 26, 2008 at 1:12 PM

Biden gets four Pinocchios for tax lie

Joe Biden…If he only had a brain! To many missing parts.

byteshredder on September 26, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Mr_Magoo on September 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM
+100000
Wasn’t life so much easier then when we didn’t have the moonbats going on MSM making me want to shoot my brand new big screen,side note, Speaker Pelosi is one scary lookin woman in HD.

tee866 on September 26, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Speaker Pelosi is one scary lookin woman in HD.

tee866 on September 26, 2008 at 1:25 PM

You have my sympathy.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 26, 2008 at 1:28 PM

san fran nan is scary on a small screen, she ought to by law be pixelated on hd …
:-0

Buckaroo on September 26, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Someone should look at what Joe Plugs has done for us self-employed in DE health care wise. While other states have group policy plans available- here, NADA!

That is, unless you are illegal or on welfare!

dinobalz on September 26, 2008 at 1:36 PM

I’d love to make sure that everyone would have coverage , prexist issues or not. But two major salient points: who pays for it and who gets treatment first. I like what i have … something is wrong, it gets taken care of and I’m not told to wait. I have Blue Cross Blue Shield and I have preexist issues. They are great. Oh, and I do have the VA… I earned that one.

MNDavenotPC on September 26, 2008 at 1:50 PM

From what I’ve read, McCain’s plan would also allow the self-insured to purchase insurance from out of state. That would be a boon for those of us self-employed here in WA. I wouldn’t have to buy mental health insurance, for example (as Washington State mandates).

29Victor on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM

I live in Washington state, am self-employed, and buy my own insurance. I pay a lot of money for it, the top-of-the-line coverage my (large) insurance company offers. As for that mandate, let me clue you in to something if you don’t know – the insurance companies are getting around it by setting the deductible at obscenely high levels. I think mine is $3K. My counselor charges $110 per visit. I think once I meet the $3K, they’ll then pay for six visits, as I recall.

Halle-freakin’-lujah.

So the state did nothing to help, as usual. You pay for the coverage, but you can’t actually benefit unless you want to take that crummy deal.

capitalist piglet on September 26, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Bruce in NH on September 26, 2008 at 11:52 AM

You know Bruce, that you can go to 11 on this, right?

Blue-eyed Infidel on September 26, 2008 at 2:17 PM

I hope Team McCain nails them on this tonight—if they’re allowed to talk about it.

Christine on September 26, 2008 at 4:00 PM

yet all the focus is palin palin paaaaaaaay-leeeeeeeeeeiiin

Drunk Report on September 26, 2008 at 9:42 PM

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