Zogby: McCain by two — thanks to his decision to suspend the campaign

posted at 3:20 pm on September 25, 2008 by Allahpundit

Dick Morris thought it was a great idea and now Zogby thinks it was a great idea.

Ironclad proof that it was a terrible idea.

Among men, McCain leads by a 53% to 35% margin, up 15 points from the weekend survey. Among women, Obama leads by a 52% to 39% margin, up 5 points from the weekend survey.

The survey, half conducted before McCain’s announcement Wednesday that he would suspend his campaign to concentrate on the financial crisis and half conducted after the announcement, shows movement in McCain’s favor after his announcement. Before the announcement – which included about half of the total polling sample – Obama led by one point. But McCain led by 5 points in polling completed after his statement about the suspension of his campaign.

If you believe that men would swing 15 points in three days and that Obama has the support of 88 percent of Democrats when virtually every poll shows at least 20 percent bolting for McCain, then I guess you’ll believe that a 46.8/43.4 deficit over the weekend is now a 45.8/43.8 Maverick lead. There is one confidence-building detail, though: Zogby notes the same shift among independents towards McCain that a bunch of other polls are seeing. Clearly something’s happening to make centrists favor the GOP right now — possibly jitters over Obama’s inexperience as the financial crisis deepens — although I don’t know how that squares with the fact that (a) Obama leads McCain on the economy in most polls, (b) most battleground polls show Obama’s lead expanding post-crisis, not shrinking, and (c) that Pew poll I linked earlier indicates a break away from McCain among independents just in the last 72 hours or so. Zogby’s data contradicts that entirely.

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JACKPOT!!!

madmonkphotog on September 25, 2008 at 3:22 PM

uh…er…uh…ummm…er…uh… I suspended my campaign first.

Skywise on September 25, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Let’s suspend polls for now….i have a headache.

Chudi on September 25, 2008 at 3:24 PM

These polls, my head is spinning…

right2bright on September 25, 2008 at 3:24 PM

In the immortal words of Eric Cartman:

Titsss…

Sir Andrew on September 25, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Dick Morris thought it was a great idea

We should keep track of the predictions of these talking heads. Dick Morris was certain that we would be choosing between Rudy and Hillary right now.

tommylotto on September 25, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Heh heh heh

Schmidt, you magnificent bastard. You read Rove’s book!

ManlyRash on September 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Golly Allah,

Do we believe this crap poll?

Do we believe the other crap polls?

Do we believe in crap pessimism?

Or crap optimism?

Or do we just believe in crap?

FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Caught Obummer flatfooted. Sweet!

FireBlogger on September 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM

McCain has not suspended his campaign.

Nancy Pfotenhauer, Tucker Bounds, and Mike Duhaime appeared on Fox News and MSNBC five times since his BIG PANICKY ANNOUNCEMENT.

Dave Rywall on September 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM

tommylotto on September 25, 2008 at 3:25 PM

and that condi would be VP.

lorien1973 on September 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM

“This is not the campaign suspension that I knew!”

I don’t trust polls.

44Magnum on September 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM

tommylotto on September 25, 2008 at 3:25 PM

No, he guessed Condi v. Hillary.
Oh, then he guessed Huckabee.
Oh, then he guessed…

It’s neverending with some people.

Abby Adams on September 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Stop it AP just stop it. You should get one thing out of all of these confusing polls:

This election will depend upon who shows up en mass in PA, OH and CO, the bitter clingers or the Markist/Socialists. These folks in these states will determine the outcome of the next 4 years….I pray for my country….

Agent of the Cross on September 25, 2008 at 3:28 PM

McCain has not suspended his campaign.

Nancy Pfotenhauer, Tucker Bounds, and Mike Duhaime appeared on Fox News and MSNBC five times since his BIG PANICKY ANNOUNCEMENT.

Dave Rywall on September 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Speaking of CRAP-

here’s………DRYWALL!

FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 3:28 PM

AP, please step away from the polling statistics. You need to take a walk, breath in some fresh air, and consider humanity’s long-term evolutionary predisposition towards comfort & safety.

Given the choice between two unknowns, all creatures will select that which is more familiar. In this case, McC is a known quantity with a traditional heroic background. In contrast, Hussein is a radical.

For all his volatility, McC is the more stable, safer choice. As we get close to Nov 4, you’ll see a break towards him in a big way.

kuhio on September 25, 2008 at 3:28 PM

These polls are not worth the paper they’re printed on.
Only one counts. That’s not until Nov. 4.

either orr on September 25, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Ironclad proof that it was a terrible idea.

Pretty much. It was a gamble, we’ll know by Monday if it paid off. Either way, I like that my nominee has the stones to show real leadership even when it might hurt him politically.

BadgerHawk on September 25, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Need to regain control of the narrative, regain the offense, on the economy using issues of energy, F/F meltdown, taxes.

Need to keep the rookie off balance and off his game. Propose that the debate topics be reversed, with the first being on the economy. (Obama studied for foreign affairs.)

petefrt on September 25, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Obama: Those are not the polls I……………….

evenkeel on September 25, 2008 at 3:28 PM

New poll question:

It’s 3 AM, who ya got?

President McCain or the other half-interested dude?

econavenger on September 25, 2008 at 3:29 PM

although I don’t know how that squares with the fact that (a) Obama leads McCain on the economy in most polls

Good point, but what we are seeing now is the difference between leadership and consensus. McCain’s leadership on the issue can and will reverse any advantage Obama has on the economic issue if he can secure a bill and be seen as the lead influence on accomplishing that. Fortunately, he has Pres. Clinton helping on that account.

Spirit of 1776 on September 25, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Let’s suspend polls for now….i have a headache.

Chudi on September 25, 2008 at 3:24 PM

We’ll need to take a poll on that.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 25, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Maverick

Hening on September 25, 2008 at 3:29 PM

I’m suspending my sobriety

LimeyGeek on September 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Can we suspend the election to postpone “we’re screwed ’08″?

Valiant on September 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM

These polls, my head is spinning…

right2bright on September 25, 2008 at 3:24 PM

I think Rush has it right–don’t worry about them until the last couple of weeks before the election. Right now, all it’s about is attempting to manipulate public opinion. We’re not going to get any really accurate numbers until before the election. If Obama’s more than 4 or 5 percent up then–that’s when it’s time to really start worrying. Until then, the only poll that matters is what cocktail to you drink?

Matt Helm on September 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM

NEW POLL: A new poll says that 95% of all these polls are crap. The other 5% are also crap.

FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!

marklmail on September 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Maverick Breaks Wind! Down by two…

C’mon guys. This poll stuff is getting old and tiresome.

ulyses on September 25, 2008 at 3:31 PM

P.S. Read the fine print in this poll. Half was taken prior to McCain suspending, and he’s UP 5 POINTS since his suspenion.

marklmail on September 25, 2008 at 3:31 PM

I wonder if there’s a way to get paid for this. Make up ridiculous unrealistic polls and let people go nuts.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 25, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Golly Allah,

Do we believe this crap poll?

Do we believe the other crap polls?

Do we believe in crap pessimism?

Or crap optimism?

Or do we just believe in crap?

FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Can Allah answer, “all of the above?”

evenkeel on September 25, 2008 at 3:33 PM

These up, down, sideways polls are just reflecting what Nielsen has shown for years. Americans are channel surfing everytime a commercial starts.

Limerick on September 25, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Did McCain actually play some part in today’s apparent deal? Do we have any info on that?

factoid on September 25, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Oh, another important poll: Blondes, brunettes, or redheads.

I say brunettes so that I don’t share the doghouse with the boxer…

Matt Helm on September 25, 2008 at 3:34 PM

I think what the numbers are showing is that voters may favor Obama on the economic policy, but they favor McCain in a crisis. And this is a crisis of epic proportions. Obama was always the candidate voters were checking out, McCain was the safe option. And what has Obama done to help solve this crisis? It’s a trillion freaking dollars and his answer was “yeah they can call me.” The press and the left may think McCain is “arriving to claim victory”, but voters see him doing something rather than just talking.

ZP on September 25, 2008 at 3:34 PM

New Poll : McCain up by 30!

That’ll be $10

LimeyGeek on September 25, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Who is wanting a bailout out of the polling industry?

By bailout I mean a banning?

TheHat on September 25, 2008 at 3:36 PM

ZP on September 25, 2008 at 3:34 PM

I think you are on to something.

Spirit of 1776 on September 25, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Any candidate who chooses to suspend his campaign is doing the American public a major service. How could his numbers not go up?

Buford Gooch on September 25, 2008 at 3:37 PM

McCain has not suspended his campaign.

Nancy Pfotenhauer, Tucker Bounds, and Mike Duhaime appeared on Fox News and MSNBC five times since his BIG PANICKY ANNOUNCEMENT.

Dave Rywall on September 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM

You clearly don’t know the meaning of “campaign.”

Hey, I saw Bill Clinton on TV a lot this week – is he campaigning for President too?

Idiot.

fossten on September 25, 2008 at 3:37 PM

And America will deserve the ass reaming it will get if we keep these corrupt thieves in office this November. This is not a bail out, Janiacs. This is a backdoor TAX. A transfer payment. Nothing more. What Liberals couldn’t get approved legislatively, they mandated behind closed doors.

Dearest Jane, few things remain constant – you are still a shining light. Best always,

Entelechy on September 25, 2008 at 3:38 PM

McCain by two — thanks to his decision to suspend the campaign

If this idea catches on, it would certainly improve life for the rest of us during campaign season. Imagine no more election commercials to clog up television!

PackerBronco on September 25, 2008 at 3:38 PM

No doubt McCain already has the next 10 ads done. “Ready to lead or ready to campaign some more?”

Ronnie on September 25, 2008 at 3:38 PM

These up, down, sideways polls are just reflecting what Nielsen has shown for years. Americans are channel surfing everytime a commercial starts.

Limerick on September 25, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Am I the only person that is annoyed by this? Radio too, especially in my brother and sister-in-law’s car. Instant it’s no longer showing the episode or playing music it gets changed. Drives me bonkers.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 25, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Clearly something’s happening to make centrists favor the GOP right now — possibly jitters over Obama’s inexperience as the financial crisis deepens — although I don’t know how that squares with the fact that (a) Obama leads McCain on the economy in most polls

The apparent discrepancy may be superficial, depending how the latter question about Obama handling the economy are being interpreted by the people responding to the polls.

My guess is that when people say a candidate is going to do better with the economy, they are thinking about their own personal economic situation, not about the stock market, banking industry, trade issues, etc.

From the perspective of an average voter with an average job, average debts, average savings, etc, it seems to me that a liberal democrat running on taxing the rich, government intervention, and promising tons of entitlements (I’ll make college affordable, I’ll give everyone healthcare, etc), will always do better in polling questions probing someone’s general feelings about their economic platform. That’s not the same as asking who you’d want in a crisis.

The liberal is Santa Claus, a very likable guy whom you’d like to see give you things in good times, but not someone you’d trust in a crisis.

Y-not on September 25, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Dick Morris thought it was a great idea

We should keep track of the predictions of these talking heads. Dick Morris was certain that we would be choosing between Rudy and Hillary right now.

Dick Morris also wrote a book called Condi vs. Hillary.

nazo311 on September 25, 2008 at 3:39 PM

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 25, 2008 at 3:38 PM

You sure do eat alot…..lol.

TheHat on September 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Another poll? Where is Jim Beam?

bopbottle on September 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM

You sure do eat alot…..lol.

TheHat on September 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Click my name. I have a high metabolism. :)

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 25, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Speaking of consistency and change. Having been away for a while, simple comprehension is still not a minimum requirement to comment (yes, you DR). How sad.

Wonderment is indignant.

Entelechy on September 25, 2008 at 3:41 PM

I think McCain did a typical McCain thing. He put patriotism over politics.

RobCon on September 25, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Dave Rywall on September 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM

We’re gonna miss you for weeks after October 3, Dave.

ManlyRash on September 25, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Commercial, the week before the election:

John McCain is ready to lead. When the economy suffered its greatest crisis in 80 years, John McCain didn’t hesitate. He took action, working directly with Congress and the President to solve the problem. Barack Obama said “call me if you need me.”

John McCain. Leadership.

Barack Obama. Not ready to lead.

fossten on September 25, 2008 at 3:47 PM

JUDGEMENT !

Maverick, you magnificent bastard…

RocketmanBob on September 25, 2008 at 3:47 PM

fossten on September 25, 2008 at 3:47 PM

I bet he never runs an ad on it. 527s maybe, his camp no.

Spirit of 1776 on September 25, 2008 at 3:49 PM

I’m going to suspend disbelief and begin drinking heavily.

JammieWearingFool on September 25, 2008 at 3:49 PM

fossten on September 25, 2008 at 3:47 PM

I bet he never runs an ad on it. 527s maybe, his camp no.

Spirit of 1776 on September 25, 2008 at 3:49 PM

I’ll take it either way.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 25, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Don’t get excited. Zogby is just like the WaPo/ABC hack pollsters. Trying to create a narrative before one exists, through polling.

lodge on September 25, 2008 at 3:51 PM

No matter what you think of this guy he has guts, It may sound corny but If I had to go into a battle I would want this guy on my side.

KBird on September 25, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Dave Rywall on September 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM
We’re gonna miss you for weeks after October 3, Dave.

ManlyRash on September 25, 2008 at 3:45 PM

“The silence will be deafening!”

evenkeel on September 25, 2008 at 3:52 PM

No matter what you think of this guy he has guts, It may sound corny but If I had to go into a battle I would want this guy on my side.

KBird on September 25, 2008 at 3:51 PM

And THAT is EXACTLY why he will make a tenfold better President than Obama-sama.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 25, 2008 at 3:54 PM

I am now convinced that Allah’s official role is to stir up s..t to generate as much web traffic as possible.

Ironclad proof that it was a terrible idea? Please!

RMR on September 25, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Ironclad proof that it was a terrible idea? Please!

I think he’s goofing on two guys with rather mediocre track records.

JammieWearingFool on September 25, 2008 at 3:56 PM

I’m going to suspend disbelief and begin drinking heavily.

JammieWearingFool on September 25, 2008 at 3:49 PM

We need a new drinking game

LimeyGeek on September 25, 2008 at 4:03 PM

We need a new drinking game

LimeyGeek on September 25, 2008 at 4:03 PM

What jumped to mind was “a shot for every time Obama says ‘uh’”, but that would either end too quickly or put too many people in the hospital.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 25, 2008 at 4:04 PM

NO MORE POLLS!!!!!!!!!! I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEARGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lincoln on September 25, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Dick Morris thought it was a great idea and now Zogby thinks it was a great idea.

Ironclad proof that it was a terrible idea.

Your sense of humor cracks me up, AP.

CP on September 25, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Danger, Will Robinson! This is the Zogby interactive poll.

Del Dolemonte on September 25, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Huh… and yesterday everyone here hated polls because they were inaccurate, bias and oversampled Dems.

Optimist Damiano says: Well, it’s a trend in the right direction if nothing else.

Pessimist Damiano says: Zogby? ummmm… yeah…

Realist Damiano says: F**k the polls. They are no more accurate than reading tea leaves on this situation. Obama is ahead and we need to beat him down like a red headed baby harp seal stepchild in every conceivable fashion.

Damiano on September 25, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Huh… and yesterday everyone here hated polls because they were inaccurate, bias and oversampled Dems.

Did we have a poll over that?

*gets chased out by torches and flashlights*

Okay, okay, I get it, dead horse!!

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 25, 2008 at 4:13 PM

the momentuem is clearly on McCain’s side right now. Obama was caught flat footed. Obama lost a two days of debate prep. What is the chance McCain will show up for the debate? I’ll say 100%. He will debate an unprepred Obama. This should be fun.

unseen on September 25, 2008 at 4:21 PM

I believe that the public has become aware that this crisis was precipitated by Clinton, Barney Frank and Chis Dodd pressuring F-Mae and Mac to grant loans to high-risk borrowers- the EXACT OPPOSITE of how the MSM is trying to paint it.

What’s amazing is that this word is getting out when the only ones that are saying it is Fox!

lionheart on September 25, 2008 at 4:35 PM

What’s amazing is that this word is getting out when the only ones that are saying it is Fox!

Oops, and also HotAir!

lionheart on September 25, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Where’s AP now? Is he sad? Why isn’t this an obligatory post? – Fuquay

He’s in his mom’s basement … oooops, I mean, his ‘command center’ like the “Warlock” guy in “Die Hard 4″! haha

Tony737 on September 25, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Just kidding, Allah! Don’t ban me! :-)

Tony737 on September 25, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Allah, you’re the biggest downer since heroin.

SuperCool on September 25, 2008 at 4:42 PM

AP, stop bombarding us with more useless poll numbers every day.

More horse race journalism.

Xolom on September 25, 2008 at 4:43 PM

We could take a shot for every poll…..uh, nevermind.

HornetSting on September 25, 2008 at 4:45 PM

The Pew Poll is a survey of adults. No distinction between those who can vote, those who won’t and those who can’t. Throw that data out–it’s worthless.

Zogby’s data is split among those polled before and after the suspension announcement. The key is in the data produced afterwards.

To accurately gauge how tight this is and where it might go, focus on rolling average surveys of registered voters (good data) and likely voters (best data). i.e., Gallup is good, Rasmussen is better. Zogby is Ok, but the volatility of his data suggests bad sample selection procedures.

GulfCoastBamaFan on September 25, 2008 at 4:45 PM

JammieWearingFool on September 25, 2008 at 3:56 PM

He might be. But his insistence of labeling himself the pessimistic blogger for the last few months suggests to me that he is now the in-house Ann Coulter.
You are free to disagree.

RMR on September 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM

what’s wrong with Ann Coulter?

Roger Waters on September 25, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Dickie Morris may suck at predictions, but he got Bubba elected.

Mercy4Me on September 25, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Well, Pew is a Democratic organization, headed by such stalwarts as Madeline Albright. Not sure it should be taken that seriously.

blue13326 on September 25, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Ann Coulter’s article on the housing mess is pretty awesome

lodge on September 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM

Unless I’m forgetting someone, Dick Morris was *way* ahead of everybody else in predicting the Democratic Congressional takeover. He has a habit of detecting a trend or sentiment that he thinks may prove decisive, and then gambling everything on it. If he thinks this makes McCain look “hands on” while Obama dithers, it’s not something to write off glibly.

This Zogby poll, on the other hand, is obviously crap.

omriceren on September 25, 2008 at 5:05 PM

what’s wrong with Ann Coulter? – Lead singer of the WHO

Well, she’s kinda skinny, but other than that, nuthin’. But I think what RMR was talking about is that Ann’s just not all that crazy about Mac.

Tony737 on September 25, 2008 at 5:06 PM

Ann Coulter’s article on the housing mess is pretty awesome

lodge on September 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM

Awesome article, tells it like it is…as Ann always does.

HornetSting on September 25, 2008 at 5:07 PM

I am announcing, I am suspending my suspenders.

That is all.

JP1986UM on September 25, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Ann Coulter’s article on the housing mess is pretty awesome – Lodge

Haben sie linkenstein?

Tony737 on September 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Ann Coulter’s article on the housing mess is pretty awesome – Lodge

Haben sie linkenstein?

Tony737 on September 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I think this is what you’re seeking.

Y-not on September 25, 2008 at 5:32 PM

These polls reflect the fact that most Americans have no idea of what to think about the current situation- except that it is bad, they don’t like it, and they are a little scared.

They really have no idea who to vote for, but are sure that they ought to feel adamantly about something, and so it’s no surprise that marginal voters are blowing back and forth between Obama and McCain.

Sackett on September 25, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I am normally against any government interference in anything but here I break my rule. Polls should be banned! I am totally tired of “polls”. They haven’t improved since the Literary Digest in 1936. They seem to be more orientated to pushing a position than actual numbers. Otherwise they simply mess up the sample or distort it with the questions. A poll free election season would be a major improvement.

duff65 on September 25, 2008 at 6:08 PM

Realist Damiano says: F**k the polls. They are no more accurate than reading tea leaves on this situation. Obama is ahead and we need to beat him down like a red headed baby harp seal stepchild in every conceivable fashion.

Damiano on September 25, 2008 at 4:11 PM

I’ll give 10 to 1 odds that this is Sarah using a pseudonym.

platypus on September 25, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Thanks Y-not!

Tony737 on September 25, 2008 at 7:26 PM

AP don’t worry, there’s another poll tomorrow that will better reflect your inner feelings. The sun will come out tomorrow. Put the *** down.

Fuquay Steve on September 25, 2008 at 8:34 PM

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