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posted at 8:25 am on September 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Yesterday’s strange pas de deux between Barack Obama and John McCain ended with a form of Deus ex machina, as George Bush summoned Obama to Washington after he first refused to go.  McCain suspended his campaign and declared that he would, in effect, get back to work at his current job in order to help forge a solution to a national crisis.  Obama, in effect, said he wasn’t needed:

McCain called for his Democratic rival to agree to a postponement until Congress agrees on a $700 billion government plan to rescue banks from enormous debt, saying, “We are running out of time.”

Obama rebuffed his GOP rival, saying the next president needs to “deal with more than one thing at once.”

Both were heading back to Washington on Thursday, summoned by President Bush to attend a White House meeting with congressional leaders in hopes of securing the legislation to rescue the fragile economy.

So who prevailed?  McCain wound up with both of them in Washington, and managed to embarrass Obama in the process.  Obama held a press conference to explain why he thought it was a waste of time for him to return to the Senate — and he didn’t describe himself in terribly glowing terms:

As I said before, I think that one of the things we have to determine is how we can be most helpful.  It’s my sense that the most helpful thing we can do right now is, uh, to let everyone know this is a sufficiently important problem.  I can be helpful, and I am prepared to be anywhere, anytime.  So, uh, I think the message is, if I can be helpful, I am prepared to be there at any point.

Bear in mind that Senator Obama wants to run the executive branch starting in January.  At a moment when his country needs leadership and Congress is meeting to determine policy that will affect the executive branch for the next several months and years, he doesn’t consider his role as a Senator important enough to take part in those negotiations.  “If I can be helpful,” Obama says, indicating that he doesn’t consider fulfilling his current responsibilities helpful or even desirable.

Instead he wants to let everyone know that this is a “sufficiently important problem”.  Sufficiently important how?  Apparently, “sufficiently important” to issue press statements, but not “sufficiently important” to get back to work for a few days.  What would constitute a problem “sufficiently important” enough for him to do that?  Congress needs to address a $700 billion bailout that Obama has already stated will severely restrict his policy options if he wins the elections.  Doesn’t he have a “sufficiently important” interest in that, either?

Obama has another problem with returning to Washington, one that received little attention in the analysis of McCain’s challenge yesterday.  Obama has to raise $3 million each day in order to hit his target of $100 million a month.  He needs to conduct fundraisers constantly in order to make that goal.  Taking three or four days off the campaign trail means a potential loss of revenue for Obama, one he can ill afford at the moment.  That’s a “sufficiently important problem” that would keep Obama out of Washington.

McCain won this round.  He understood that the next leader of the nation had to put himself in a position of leadership in this crisis in order to have credibility.  McCain took the initiative, while Obama had to return after being summoned like a recalcitrant student.


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When you can take the pebble from my hand you will be ready.

D0WNT0WN on September 25, 2008 at 8:29 AM

Until then you are not ready to lead.

D0WNT0WN on September 25, 2008 at 8:29 AM

if I can be helpful

Probably somewhere there’s a disorganized community you can organize, Obamassiah.

After about a week, once the legislation (boo, hiss) is passed and enacted (throws tomatoes) McCain needs to make an ad out of this. While Wall Street burned, Obama dithered.

rbj on September 25, 2008 at 8:30 AM

And will he look at Bush and say “Yeah, I’m present but don’t ask me to actually make a decision”?

bbz123 on September 25, 2008 at 8:31 AM

McCain suspended his campaign and declared that he would, in effect, get back to work at his current job in order to help forge a solution to a national crisis. Obama, in effect, said he wasn’t needed

He’s got that right.
All he’d probably do is just vote “present,” and that’s it.
And everyone would still think he could walk on water.

ToddonCapeCod on September 25, 2008 at 8:31 AM

Obama: You’re a senator, for crying out loud! At least on paper! Is this how you demonstrate that you are a leader? By retreating and deferring and dodging??? At least go back and vote “present” for f**k’s sake!

He keeps forgetting what Barbara Stanwyk used to say about show biz – “The most important thing is sincerity. And when you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”

J.J. Sefton on September 25, 2008 at 8:32 AM

So instead of cramming at a luxury resort in Clearwater, FL, for the foreign policy debate, and trying to find a way to backtrack on his “talk to the dictators” statements in the primary and working the “uhs” out of his speaking, Obama has to spend his study time in Washington working on the bailout.

And the foreign policy debate Obama hoped to hide on a fall Friday night (high school football!), gets more publicity and viewers.

Well done, McCain, well done.

Wethal on September 25, 2008 at 8:32 AM

McCain took the bull by the horns. He was presidential and absolutely impressed me by taking his time to go to D.C. to solve this monumental problem.
As Lieberman said yesterday on Hannity’s radio show, Obama’s statement was “lousy” and basically he said, “Call me when you need me.” Not presidential at all.

jencab on September 25, 2008 at 8:32 AM

If McCain really wanted to get in Obama’s head, he could say on Friday afternoon, “Ok, Barry, let’s head for Mississippi. Why not cut down the carbon foorprint and travel together in your plane?”

Wethal on September 25, 2008 at 8:34 AM

Wow. Emotions have run pretty high on this one for me.

Between this bizarre looking stunt, and Sarah’s pretty gosh darn awful performance with Katie – It was looking like a sudden and unexpected implosion.

As it turns out, McCain knew what was coming, and he knew what Obama’s reaction would be. So McCain wins in the end.

Today’s question:

Obama will be missing his debate camp today, and part of yesterday. Will he suddenly agree to postpone the debates today? Will McCain say it’s no longer necessary to postpone?

Is this going to be awesomely awesome…or a just a blip on the radar?

Esquiring minds want to know.

Dorvillian on September 25, 2008 at 8:35 AM

Bear in mind that Senator Obama wants to run the executive branch starting in January.

Actually, Obama stated that he would be starting “in about 40 days” during his statement.
Someone needs to tell Barack Alinsky that the president-elect does not actually begin serving on November 4th, but on January 20th.

carbon_footprint on September 25, 2008 at 8:36 AM

Taking three or four days off the campaign trail means a potential loss of revenue for Obama, one he can ill afford at the moment.

Did Barry have to bow out of some fundraisers, too? He could always send Aunt Esther or Crazy Uncle Joe to open the wallets.

Wethal on September 25, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Quick question: I keep hearing about Obama voting ‘present’. Is that the same as what we call ‘abstaining’ in the British House of Commons – ie you don’t vote ‘Yay’ or ‘Nay’?

EnglishMike on September 25, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Sarah’s pretty gosh darn awful performance with Katie –
Is this a common review? I missed it.

carbon_footprint on September 25, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Did anyone see NRO’s “The Corner?” They have criticized this move by McCain and that Obama was more presidential!? Are you kidding me Ponnoru, Lowry, K-Lo, and others?!
However, The Weekly Standard has their screws on and Bill Kristol said this was a bold, intelligent, and presidential move by McCain.
Now I know which magazine I’m going to subscribe to.

jencab on September 25, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Quick question: I keep hearing about Obama voting ‘present’. Is that the same as what we call ‘abstaining’ in the British House of Commons – ie you don’t vote ‘Yay’ or ‘Nay’?

EnglishMike on September 25, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Yes, that’s about it.

Wethal on September 25, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Will McCain say it’s no longer necessary to postpone?

Best case scenario: McCain gets the Repubs onboard with a revised bill, gets it passed and says “OK, debate’s back on!”

And Obama misses 3 days of studying.

lodge on September 25, 2008 at 8:38 AM

A politician can declare that he is a leader. His political party can declare that he’s a leader. And hundreds of thousands of acolytes around the world can swoon devotedly at his feet, and he can rack up all the trappings of leadership. But none of that in fact makes him into a leader if he actually isn’t one.

Crises reveal, make, and define leaders. When the crisis is over, it’s easy to recognize in hindsight who the leader was, even if there was some doubt as to that during the crisis itself. Looking back, we can recognize a leader because he’s the one who the other potential actors and decision-makers actually followed.

I do not care what anyone says today, or what buffoons like Michael Moore said at the time: George W. Bush led through the ruins of 9/11/01 and kept us safe from further attacks on our soil for the seven years thereafter. However much nuance future historians may put on his two terms in office, that will be the one-sentence verdict of history as understood and remembered by the public. Well-educated eighth graders in 2088 will know that even if they know nothing else of his presidency.

More one-sentence verdicts which we also all know: Washington gave this nation its birth of freedom in the Revolutionary War. Lincoln saved it from self-destruction in the Civil War. Teddy Roosevelt brought us recognition as a world power. FDR led us from Pearl Harbor through the defeat of fascist empires in Germany and Japan. Truman stood fast at the beginning of the Cold War. And Reagan won it.

Sometimes the one-sentence verdicts of history are not flattering. Grant, a great general, was an inept president unable to control corrupt cronies. Hoover lost the country’s confidence that he could deal with the Depression. Carter collapsed when America was first confronted with radical Islamic terrorism. And Clinton, in a time of no particular external crisis, nevertheless let his ego and appetites rule him, in the process bringing shame to the Office of the Presidency.

Now is a time of crisis too. I don’t think it’s remotely as great a crisis — not yet, anyway — as those mentioned above. But it’s the biggest one we’ve faced since we were confronted with the immediate prospect of a humiliating defeat and surrender in the post-war occupation of Iraq.

John McCain shares credit, with Bush-43 and a far-sighted general named Petraeus, for surmounting that crisis too. And therefore it should be no surprise that when this one abates — when a deal is struck, a bill is passed and signed, the markets calm, and the nation gratefully exhales — we’ll see that McCain once again put his campaign, his potential presidency, and his entire legacy at risk in order to exercise responsibility. And we’ll see that when he did that, others from both parties followed.

I’m acutely aware of John McCain’s many flaws and faults, and I have a list as long as my arm of mistakes I think he’s made in the past and instincts that I think he needs to guard against in the future. He’ll make more mistakes; he’ll infuriate me and many others from time to time; he’ll get some things wrong in the future, too. But I have no doubt whatsoever that John McCain is a genuine leader, one who other decision-makers will actually follow in a crisis — even if they’re from the opposing party, even if they don’t particularly like him, even if they’re not at all sure that he’s right and they’re mostly just grateful he stepped up because it helps them cover their own precious butts.

When immediate action is essential, John McCain will act, and they will follow. And thus, in the present financial crisis in September of 2008, now that everyone agrees that immediate action is essential, John McCain is simply the one indispensable man in Washington.

It is vastly premature to try to predict the one-sentence verdict of history on a McCain presidency. But we can be entirely confident that it will not be: “He froze, he panicked, he ducked the responsibility, and he talked a good game but let precious and fleeting opportunities pass him and his country by.”

What’s already abundantly clear in this crisis, however, without the need for any hindsight, is that Barack Obama has failed to lead.

Indeed, when the crisis engulfed them, those who’ve had the best first-hand opportunity since January 2005 to watch him try to do his job — his fellow senators, even the leaders of his own party who mouth the words about him being “the next President of the United States” and the hope of a new generation — didn’t call a halt to everything and send out a plea for his personal presence in Washington. Their actions and in particular, this inaction, shows that they know in their hearts that Obama is no real leader. They know he’s simply a well-cut, slick, but empty suit onto which the trappings of leadership have been projected. And when it comes to putting their own careers, their own modest places in history, on the line, they certainly didn’t look to him for guidance.

The only reason for Obama’s abrupt 180-degree pivot today was to provide his campaign and his party with a fig leaf: Now they can pretend that both his and McCain’s presence and participation in Washington were essential to the striking of any deal. To do otherwise would be to cede the election to McCain outright.

Nevertheless: Except for the sole purpose of maintaining his campaign’s dignity, Barack Obama is today the single most dispensable member of Congress.

That doesn’t mean McCain will win in November. But it means that he should. (Bill Dyer – Townhall)

Keemo on September 25, 2008 at 8:38 AM

Obama is taking orders from Bush.

HA HA!

/Nelson

RINO in Name Only on September 25, 2008 at 8:38 AM

We’re merely getting a glimpse of Hussein’s management style, if heaven forbid, this guy actually manages to get elected.

As exemplified by his political career to this date, he will be completely removed from the actual process of governing. He’s not only lazy, he is also not intellectually curious.

He truly is an empty suit by which others are pulling the strings and controlling the game.

kuhio on September 25, 2008 at 8:39 AM

Gold coins for every citizen!

joepub on September 25, 2008 at 8:39 AM

Obama says if he can be helpful, he’ll be there.

Wouldn’t you just love to hear “W” tell Obama, “nevermind. On second thought, you would not be helpful. Just stay where you’re at”.
DD

Darvin Dowdy on September 25, 2008 at 8:40 AM

Or suggest the debate be set up in the basement of the Senate, bunker style. Just the candidates, time keeper, and moderator, camera guy.
McCain comes in for an hour, schools Obama, and walks back upstairs.

hippie_chucker on September 25, 2008 at 8:40 AM

McCain won this round.

I really have to disagree with this. If anything, it’s a push and I think both McCain and Obama were saved by Bush.

If Bush didn’t create this meeting (which is nothing more than a photo op), then McCain would have flown back to Washington and done… what, exactly? It appears the deal is close with out any input from McCain. I think the fact that McCain and Palin were in frantic mode yesterday saying for the good of the country he needs to go back to washington will reflect poorly on him. The reality is, it looks like the deal will be done without him or Obama. Obama was exactly right.

But on the same token, if Bush didn’t summon Obama back, and McCain did and glad-hand around Washington in front of the cameras while Obama continued to campaign, it would have made Obama look bad.

But, in the end, if the deal is struck without input from McCain, it makes this look even more like the political stunt it was.

Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 8:40 AM

Bread and circuses!

EnglishMike on September 25, 2008 at 8:40 AM

McCain:

Fight with me! Fight for what’s right for our country!

Obama:

If I can be helpful.

Loxodonta on September 25, 2008 at 8:41 AM

It was time for the grown ups to be in charge and
Uh-UH-bama knew he is way out of his element.

DVPTexFla on September 25, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Jaysus, three million a day? As much time as pukey Oblabo has to spend raising money, imagine where he would be if the media whores weren’t carrying his water?

The earlier commenter had it right: Obibo wanted to hide the debate just in case he had a bad night, now it will get a new night when people are actually around.

Bishop on September 25, 2008 at 8:42 AM

But, in the end, if the deal is struck without input from McCain, it makes this look even more like the political stunt it was.

Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 8:40 AM

The Congresssional GOP will see to it that it is struck with input from McCain. All Obama will do is maybe show up and vote the way Reid tells him to.

Wethal on September 25, 2008 at 8:42 AM

I’m troubled that Obama was given White House security clearance with his questionable background.

jeff_from_mpls on September 25, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Tom,
The bill won’t pass without Republican support, no matter how much the Dems agree with themselves. If the bill isnt bipartisan, the Dems will own it, and as you know, they don’t take responsibility, at least this particular bunch. Least amount of bills passed in the history of Congress…

hippie_chucker on September 25, 2008 at 8:45 AM

[From another thread]

Please, McCain, propose a repeal of the CRA tomorrow and see Barry squirm!

PattyJ on September 24, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Genius.

Today, two-thirds are blaming the GOP or capitalism. But it’s a complicated matter and hard to get it over the heads of the media.
By proposing repeal of CRA, McCain would likely send the lefties ballistic and thereby re-frame the debate squarely on social engineering, with the focus on Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac.

petefrt on September 25, 2008 at 8:45 AM

Yeah, we might even see Obama on the Senate floor, a first. Photos please. Is ‘no footprints empty suit’ going to vote ‘present’? Will they ban the Teleprompter from the Senate floor — Stay tuned for the cringe inducing details.

The man can’t think, that’s why he is hiding.

tarpon on September 25, 2008 at 8:45 AM

OT: I’m hearing rumours about Slick Willy on GMA.

He praised the GOP for wanting to regulate F&F, and said McCain wasnt afraid of debate because he’d been calling out Obama all summer

lodge on September 25, 2008 at 8:46 AM

Obama, in effect, said he wasn’t needed:

For the first time, I agree with something the One has said.

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 8:46 AM

Amen, Ed.

I’m amazed that most of the political geeks out there overlooked the simple fact that Senators should get their asses to the Senate when it’s in the thick of such monumental deliberations. Greatest Deliberative Body in the World, and all that.

While entertaining, the election spectacle is quite secondary at this moment.

Cuffy Meigs on September 25, 2008 at 8:46 AM

The Congresssional GOP will see to it that it is struck with input from McCain.

The deals is close to being struck NOW. Is McCain even in Washington yet? What are they going to let him do, dot an “i”?

Obama was right in that this is neither he nor McCain’s gig. They aren’t on the committee that is in charge of these negotiations. And it seems the substantive work was done yesterday while McCain was TALKING about going back to Washington and being a leader while he stayed in New York to give an interview to Katie Couric and speak to the Clinton Global Initiative.

It was a bald (not bold) political stunt, and McCain will be lucky if this is a push.

Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 8:47 AM

I disagree. While that may be the actual facts of what happened. The interpretation I’m getting from friends and family is that this is a desperation ploy by Republicans who are just getting in the way of Obama’s “fait accompli”. Surely that’s how the media is spinning it. They’re deliberately NOT TALKING about what this problem is so this all looks like a trumped up false flag attack.

Skywise on September 25, 2008 at 8:47 AM

Having Bush “summon” Obama to Washington must really grate on his massive ego.

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 8:48 AM

Repealing the CRA..the MSM would have a field day with this, tying it back to the houses and cars thing, and paint McCain (wrongly) as hating minorities, as much as I agree with the idea.

Conservatives have these outdated ideas about paying bills so you have credit, and then buying what you can afford. So passe’.

hippie_chucker on September 25, 2008 at 8:48 AM

Barry O, at the meeting of the minds…..

“John, do you want sugar or Splenda? OK Barry, so that’s an onion bagel plain, a box of Munchkin’s, a large coffee and a coffee Coolatta with whole milk. Get yourself something with the change.”

Hening on September 25, 2008 at 8:49 AM

If anything, it’s a push and I think both McCain and Obama were saved by Bush.

I think it became pretty clear over the past few days that, without the support of both parties, this bailout wasn’t going to get through, at least before election day. To the earlier poster’s comment about NRO, I believe their concern was that by taking the lead, the bailout would be stamped with McCain’s name. I think McCain and Bush are making sure it gets stamped with as many names as possible — this gives everyone cover.

It will be interesting to see the reactions of the public between the time the deal is made public and the time it is actually voted on.

BigD on September 25, 2008 at 8:49 AM

“Now that the whole socialist gang is here, let’s get to work”- GW Bush

Fletch54 on September 25, 2008 at 8:49 AM

OT: I’m hearing rumours about Slick Willy on GMA.

He praised the GOP for wanting to regulate F&F, and said McCain wasnt afraid of debate because he’d been calling out Obama all summer

lodge on September 25, 2008 at 8:46 AM

Bill Clinton supports McCain, so does Hillary.

Listen, if leftard media can analyze the crap out of every GOP communication to find racism and all manner of evil subtext, we can come out and call a spade a spade: Clinton is pro-McCain. It’s as clear as the nose on Clinton’s face.

jeff_from_mpls on September 25, 2008 at 8:49 AM

The tone around HA certainly has changed in less than 24 hours. Yesterday evening many posters were decrying that McCain’s decision to suspend his campaign was the worst mistake since Napolean spent a few days at Waterloo.

This morning …

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Tom,

from the AP

“A bipartisan meeting was set for Thursday to begin drafting a compromise, which top Democrats said they hoped could pass within days.”

The deal is far from done, Sir.

hippie_chucker on September 25, 2008 at 8:52 AM

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 8:51 AM

It’s because the “homer” is back this morning to lead the discussion.

Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Maybe he can just drop in and vote “Present”

Ann on September 25, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Tom Shipley projects his side’s natural reaction to a crisis (a photo opportunity) onto a situation the other side. We’ve seen such projection so many times. In fact, if the government had a dollar for every time the left projected its natural reaction to the other side, this bailout could be done several times over.
Let’s face it… one of these people (McCain or Obama) is going to have to deal with the fallout from this, starting on Day One. It only makes sense for the good of the country in the long term to have both candidates there, so they have a fundamental understanding of what they’re going to face.
The good of the country, though, seldom rises above the good of the party when it comes to the left, as we’ve seen repeatedly over the last eight years of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Go take your projections, Mr. Shipley, and put them where they belong. Obama craves photo ops and will relish the opportunity to look “presidential” when, in fact, he couldn’t lead an old lady across the street.

either orr on September 25, 2008 at 8:52 AM

The tone around HA certainly has changed in less than 24 hours. Yesterday evening many posters were decrying that McCain’s decision to suspend his campaign was the worst mistake since Napolean spent a few days at Waterloo.

This morning …

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Everyone’s a blowhard, everyone thinks they know everything about ever stinking issue, but most anonymous commenters, myself included, aren’t even fit to have an opinion on these matters. Some, no doubt, have deep knowledge, but most of us are just blowing off steam so we voice opinions.

I once heard a saying, though I can’t remember it exactly, it goes something like: Opinions are like liberals, they’re ass-holes.

Or something like that.

jeff_from_mpls on September 25, 2008 at 8:54 AM

“We know he didn’t do it because he’s afraid because Sen. McCain wanted more debates,” Clinton said, adding that he was “encouraged” by the joint statement from McCain and Sen. Barack Obama.

“You can put it off a few days the problem is it’s hard to reschedule those things,” Clinton said, “I presume he did that in good faith since I know he wanted — I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country and so I don’t think we ought to overly parse that.

Clinton on GMA. Reminding everyone that Obama offered to debate McCain anytime, anywhere, and then refused to the series of townhalls that McCain proposed.

And no one (except maybe Hillary, with a lamp) can shut up Bill as he continues to take sly shots at Obama.

Wethal on September 25, 2008 at 8:56 AM

Besides, Obama will vote on the measure regardless. He can’t be in the position of not voting on significant legislation.

So, unless he truly wants to bitch out and not vote, he should be in the Senate, putting his 144th day in on the job, right?

hippie_chucker on September 25, 2008 at 8:56 AM

I find all the “pundits” reactions to this situation disturbing; Yesterday on FOX Bill Sammon and Charles Krauthammer, (sp?) were very negative on McCain- they gave the “round” to Obama- WTF? Obama looked like an idiot yesterday at his presser, very aloof and arrogant. He was ticked that McCain was showing him up. Now- it would appear that everyone thinks McCain might have been spot on to get back to his ELECTED, PAID duty and get this mess cleared up.

My point? Pundits don’t know any more than we do.

anniekc on September 25, 2008 at 8:56 AM

McCain won this round. He understood that the next leader of the nation had to put himself in a position of leadership in this crisis in order to have credibility. McCain took the initiative, while Obama had to return after being summoned like a recalcitrant student.

Too bad McCain can’t cash in those political points. Of course, his surrogates can point out Obama’s lousy political instincts, and essential narcissism. And I hope they do.

smellthecoffee on September 25, 2008 at 8:57 AM

George W. Bush led through the ruins of 9/11/01 and kept us safe from further attacks on our soil for the seven years thereafter. However much nuance future historians may put on his two terms in office, that will be the one-sentence verdict of history as understood and remembered by the public. Well-educated eighth graders in 2088 will know that even if they know nothing else of his presidency.

It has been commented on before, but I believe Bush’s presidency was defined for all time when he stood on the rubble of the Twin Towers and shouted into the megaphone,
(approximate qoute)
“You may not be able to hear me, but those who brought down these towers can hear me, and soon the whole world will hear all of us.”

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 8:57 AM

Too bad McCain can’t cash in those political points. Of course, his surrogates can point out Obama’s lousy political instincts, and essential narcissism. And I hope they do.

smellthecoffee on September 25, 2008 at 8:57 AM

He will cash in if taking away Obama’s study time leads to, uh, lousy, uh performance, uh, by Obama at the, uh debate.

Wethal on September 25, 2008 at 8:59 AM

Obama will vote on the measure regardless. He can’t be in the position of not voting on significant legislation.

So, unless he truly wants to bitch out and not vote, he should be in the Senate, putting his 144th day in on the job, right?

hippie_chucker on September 25, 2008 at 8:59 AM

My point? Pundits don’t know any more than we do.

anniekc on September 25, 2008 at 8:56 AM

We’re spectators in an ancient Roman coliseum, and these gladiators are putting on a show for us. We cheer when one of the gladiators gets eviscerated. Some in the audience turn their faces away in horror, others are transfixed on the bloodbath, and yell: more!

jeff_from_mpls on September 25, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Senior lawmakers and Bush administration officials have cleared away key obstacles to a deal on the unprecedented rescue, agreeing to include widely supported limits on pay packages for executives whose companies benefit.

They’re still wrangling over major elements, including how to phase in the eye-popping cost – a measure demanded by Democrats and some Republicans who want stronger congressional control over the bailout – without spooking markets. A plan to let the government take an ownership stake in troubled companies as part of the rescue, rather than just buying bad debt, also was under intense negotiation.

They made big progress yesterday, and would probably made more progress today (maybe even stuck a deal) without McCain and Obama flying in.

Make no mistake, McCain is piggy-backing to score political points. He’s interjected the presidential race into these negotiations. It’s pure politics. Some poster yesterday said McCain should go to Washington to negotiate, then show up to the debate with his hair messed up and sleeves rolled up and say “whattaya got?”

Well, now McCain and his cadre of flashing cameras are going to barge into the meeting where the guys who REALLY have their hair messed up and sleeves rolled up are working on a deal and say “hey guys, let me lead you!”

It really is kind of a joke.

Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Superior townhall Dyer link, Keemo.

Obama, you are not needed. Nor are you wanted by any thinking American voter. You are so wrapped up in your own ego and pandering for votes from people with their hands out that it truly baffles me how any poll respondent can see you are better on the economy.

onlineanalyst on September 25, 2008 at 9:01 AM

Couldn’t Obimbo assist in this financial crisis by donating a few bags of his “I’m So Great” coins?

Bishop on September 25, 2008 at 9:01 AM

The Congresssional GOP will see to it that it is struck with input from McCain.

The deals is close to being struck NOW. Is McCain even in Washington yet? What are they going to let him do, dot an “i”?

That’s not what the news media has been saying. But then you don’t let reality get in the way of your opinions.

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 9:01 AM

Well,if Obama,Obi-Wan the Great Hopey/Changey
isn’t Senator enough for solving the problem
(Financial Crisis),then he’s not Presidential
enough either!

And,it looks like Obama’s “Sufficiently Important”
little financial chickens are com’n home to roost!

canopfor on September 25, 2008 at 9:02 AM

When it comes to stealing an economy, everybody needs to be in on it if they want their share. Obama was holding out for the whole thing, but that made him look greedy.

volsense on September 25, 2008 at 9:02 AM

The deals is close to being struck NOW. Is McCain even in Washington yet? What are they going to let him do, dot an “i”?
Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 8:47 AM

Steve Leisman just reported on CNBC that without President Bush’s speech last night, without President Bush calling the two presidential candidates, Senate Majority Leader Reid, and Speaker Pelosi to the White House for a summit meeting on this rescue plan, that the plan would not have gotten through congress. This meeting was a ‘game changer’ because congress is getting calls from constituents that run 300 to one against this deal.

Comments here, and on MM from outraged conservatives, and the anti-capitalists clearly demonstrate that.

rockhauler on September 25, 2008 at 9:02 AM

It really is kind of a joke.
Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 9:00 AM

What a coincidence, I feel the same way every time I see or hear Oblabo.

Bishop on September 25, 2008 at 9:02 AM

McCain is a player in the Senate

Obama is not, never has been.

McCain can forge a Bi-Partisian coalition, as is his history and get this thing done and “Save the country”.

Obama prefers to campaign while the real men do work.

McCain won this one big

jp on September 25, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Repealing the CRA..the MSM would have a field day with this, tying it back to the houses and cars thing, and paint McCain (wrongly) as hating minorities, as much as I agree with the idea.

hippie_chucker on September 25, 2008 at 8:48 AM

You’re right, of course. They’d go into high demonization mode. McCain could offer counter-proposals to replace CRA with other measures to promote home ownership or something, though the media will always try to destroy him regardless.

But you know, it may be worth it if it puts the financial crisis in proper perspective. If McCain lobs this bomb skillfully, he could blow the issue into another orbit.

petefrt on September 25, 2008 at 9:03 AM

That’s not what the news media has been saying. But then you don’t let reality get in the way of your opinions.

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 9:01 AM

I don’t rely on the news media for my opinions. I prefer reality-based viewpoints.

Wethal on September 25, 2008 at 9:04 AM

The good of the country, though, seldom rises above the good of the party when it comes to the left,

The left is so convinced of their superiority that they don’t mind making things worse for now. So long as it helps them gain power. They truely believe that once they are in power, a few waves of their magic wands, and all will be saved.

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Well, ts, the presidential race is indeed part of these negotiations in that whoever is inaugurated in January will be be the inheritor of the policy that is hammered out.

onlineanalyst on September 25, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 9:00 AM

That’s why it’s called politics. Your description sounds more like a scene from 12 Angry Men than from any congressional meeting happening these days.

AubieJon on September 25, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Are they having this meeting in a airplane hanger at Dulles? I mean, how else will they be able to fit BO’s 300 advisors in the same room to help him decide on voting “present”.

I’m just asking.

jbh45 on September 25, 2008 at 9:05 AM

What would constitute a problem “sufficiently important” enough for him to do that?

Ask Obama’s staff. That’s his standard response, “Ask my staff”.

BO is a puppet, a mouthpiece. I want to know who will be in charge if BO wins. He’s obviously not capable of finishing anything much less leading a country.

So, who is it? Who are we electing to actually run the country if BO is POTUS?

/inquiring minds want to know

Cody1991 on September 25, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Opinions are like liberals, they’re ass-holes.

Or something like that.

jeff_from_mpls on September 25, 2008 at 8:54 AM

Opinions are like a**-holes. Everyone has one, and most of them stink.

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 9:05 AM

THE NEWS MEDIA? REALITY? They’ve never met one another!

anniekc on September 25, 2008 at 9:05 AM

That’s what Obama does…CAMPAIGN and campaign only. Really, what else has he done since we’ve “heard of him”? It’s almost as if he was so sequestered in his cram-for- the-debate-and-raise-money-head that he didn’t really think it was that serious.

A president should be able to multi-task but also to PRIORITIZE. He should be able to shift his focus from an academic exercise to a national crisis.

Moxie on September 25, 2008 at 9:06 AM

Keemo on September 25, 2008 at 8:38 AM

Thanks for sharing that Keemo. I think that it is spot on!

IrishGirl17 on September 25, 2008 at 9:06 AM

We’re spectators in an ancient Roman coliseum, and these gladiators are putting on a show for us.
jeff_from_mpls on September 25, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Too bad that they don’t actually hack one another to pieces; it would certainly have the effect of creating a government only of people who really wanted to be there.

You want to run for Congress? Fine, brush-up on your net and trident skills.

Bishop on September 25, 2008 at 9:06 AM

Obama is right he is not needed. How helpful is it after all to vote PRESENT.

0Bomber is better qualified at community organizing than leading as he proves time after time day after day in his own words.

And Biden? Does anyone even mention him or is he off to an Alzheimers unit somewhere to get a renewal of his memory meds?

dhunter on September 25, 2008 at 9:07 AM

And this guy still regularly gets 50% in the polls, give or take a few points. Why oh Why????

Aylios on September 25, 2008 at 9:07 AM

Obama prefers to campaign while the real men do work.

jp on September 25, 2008 at 9:03 AM

That’s not fair. Obama also votes “present” from time to time.

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Obama’s got more important things to do. Such as figuring out where he’s going to place his own coin on his mantelpiece.

Seixon on September 25, 2008 at 9:09 AM

Tom,
I’m finding huge holes in your logic. How does it hurt to have a senior member of Congress come back to the Senate?

Because it interferes with Democratic Pork being stuffed into the bailout?

I know you’re only following your instincts that R.’s are all evil, and I do respect your opinion, but still. You have no way of knowing that this bill is “done” without McCain’s input. Hell, two days ago, Reid was clamoring for McCain’s presence!

hippie_chucker on September 25, 2008 at 9:10 AM

Did OhBummer finally agree to attend the White House confab because he thought the gub’mint was going to hand out “presents”? (Did he have in mind those that Hillary! was putting under her Christmas tree last winter?)

onlineanalyst on September 25, 2008 at 9:11 AM

Tom_Shipley

Throughout his political career, McC has been the co-author of a number of important legislative milestones. Your guy’s biggest accomplishment to date? Not getting arrested while dealing/smoking crack on the street corner.

kuhio on September 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM

(Did he have in mind those that Hillary! was putting under her Christmas tree last winter?)

onlineanalyst on September 25, 2008 at 9:11 AM

That ad was so appropriate for a Dem candidate, wasn’t it? “Let’s go shopping with taxpayer money… ooops, not enough there! Well, screw the bastards. We’ll just raise taxes. There! Fixed that. Now on with the spending….”

Yeah, it’s always about handouts paid for by the taxpayers.

Cody1991 on September 25, 2008 at 9:15 AM

Not getting arrested while dealing/smoking crack on the street corner.

Why do you say this?

Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 9:15 AM

I don’t rely on the news media for my opinions. I prefer reality-based viewpoints.

Wethal on September 25, 2008 at 9:04 AM

I didn’t ask whence your opinions were from, I was pointing out that Tom’s facts did not match those being put out by the people who were actually involved. Or do you not recognize a difference between facts and opinions?

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 9:16 AM

Why do you say this?

Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 9:15 AM

If you believe he has a bigger accomplishment, why not name it? If you can’t, that’s quite telling.

MarkTheGreat on September 25, 2008 at 9:17 AM

hippie_chucker on September 25, 2008 at 9:10 AM

Because what exactly is he going to do? Remember this is the guy who a few months ago said he doesn’t now as much on the economy as he should (or something along those lines).

He’s not an economic guy. He’s not in charge of the negotiations (in fact, he has no role in the negotiations).

Let me ask you, hippie, what EXACTLY is McCain going to do aside from interrupts the negotiations with election year politics?

Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Everyone’s a blowhard, everyone thinks they know everything about ever stinking issue, but most anonymous commenters, myself included, aren’t even fit to have an opinion on these matters. Some, no doubt, have deep knowledge, but most of us are just blowing off steam so we voice opinions.

jeff_from_mpls on September 25, 2008 at 8:54 AM

Sorry, Jeff. Like it or not, the opinions that count are all of those opinions of people that are eligible to vote. We may not agree with those opinions but they pull a lever just like we do.

As for those calling this a “tie” between McCain and Obama. Paulson specifically asked Lindsey to get McCain and have him get Republican support. Reid, day BEFORE yesterday, said there would be no deal without McCain. This is a McCain win all the way. This whole situation makes Senator Obama look like the incompetent he is.

CC

CapedConservative on September 25, 2008 at 9:19 AM

We need to get this bill passed. Then hold the debate on schedule.

indythinker on September 25, 2008 at 9:19 AM

kuhio, that’s a bit much, methinks. The man, though he’s had alot of help over the years, has had some accomplishments.

Alot of them with the help of a terrorist, but he did actually put up summa cum laude grades at Harvard, which is impressive…beyond that, let’s see…lost his first campaign, disqualified his opponent in the second, ran unopposed in the third, and then spent 143 days in the Senate.

Guess I’ll stop at the Harvard grades!

hippie_chucker on September 25, 2008 at 9:20 AM

Reid and Pelosi made this into an openly political issue when they promised they wouldn’t pass anything unless it would be equally pinned onto dems and reps. Reid said McCain should be there, but said nothing about Obama.The whole thing was McCain’s to approv or not approve.

The feedback was clear that there were nowhere near enough republicans to pass the thing. But McCain knows darn good and well that something has to be done. He’s there to get a deal the republicans (incluing himself) can support.

For the good of the country and also because as long as the nation is paying attention to this democrat-created crisis, they’re not paying attention to any of the content of the campaign. Obama benefits when people don’t have to see his substance (or lack of). McCain benefits when people think about issues. He can’t make any ground politically until this thing is resolved. Period.

Bush invited Obama in order to save face for him in order to keep the dems from throwing a shiite-fit about it all being a political ploy. The biggest diplomacy in the world is when adults have to make the whining babies in their own government stay and engage rather than stomp off and pout. Bush is a diplomat and so is McCain.

justincase on September 25, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Let me ask you, hippie, what EXACTLY is McCain going to do aside from interrupts the negotiations with election year politics?

Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Oh, maybe get enough Republican votes for this thing to pass… On the other hand, I have failed to see a SINGLE DEMOCRAT express any desire to know Senator Obama’s views.

See: Paulson asks for McCain to get Republican votes
See: Reid asks for McCain to get Republican votes
See: Nancy asks Obama to get her a cup of coffee.

CC

CapedConservative on September 25, 2008 at 9:22 AM

It seems to me that we have the makings of the “perfect storm.”

1. A serious crisis facing the nation’s economy.

2. A need for a truly bipartisan response (unlike the way the Dems played politics with offshore drilling).

3. An angry public unwilling to bail out institutions and private companies who mismanaged their businesses for decades.

4. Less than two months before the President, entire House and 1/3 of the Senate have to face the voters.

highhopes on September 25, 2008 at 9:22 AM

Tom_Shipley on September 25, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Dear Tom,

The cynical thing isn’t working for you. You’re pretending to be realistic, but your cynicism keeps getting in the way.

Either that, or it’s just wishful thinking on your part.

AubieJon on September 25, 2008 at 9:23 AM

In fact, if the government had a dollar for every time the left projected its natural reaction to the other side, this bailout could be done several times over.

Indeed, projection is by far the number one strategy of the left. You can take it to the bank, every time they are accusing conservatives or republicans of something, all you have to do is take a quick look and you will find they are trying to cover something up. As the saying goes: “one you point your finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back”. A few prime examples come to mind:

1. Republican “culture of corruption”
2. The right is hateful (look at the viral hatred displayed by the left towards Palin, and conservatives in general)
3. Republicans are partisan
4. Conservatives are intolerant
5. Republicans commit voter fraud
6. Big money is behind republicans
7. Republics hate the week and disenfranchised (abortion anyone?)

neuquenguy on September 25, 2008 at 9:24 AM

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