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Breaking: Basic deal on bailout reached; Update: House GOP not on board yet; Update: Deal blowing up?

posted at 1:51 pm on September 25, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Just a skeleton right now. They’ll spend the next few days adding muscle, including how the funds will be phased in and whether the feds will be merely purchasing debt or going the whole nine socialist yards and buying up failing companies themselves.

The group broadly agreed there was a need for:

1) a panel to conduct oversight of how the vast sums of taxpayer cash are spent;
2) taxpayer protections — a way for taxpayers to receive some equity, through warrants, in the companies receiving government aid;
3) limits on executive compensation for officers of the companies receiving government aid — regarding golden parachutes, bonuses based on erroneous earnings (or “clawback”), and tax deductions for bonuses;
4) but a source tells ABC News that there was a problem resolving the issue of how to help homeowners facing foreclosure. Democrats want to re-write bankruptcy laws to enable judges to re-negotiate mortgages; Republicans do not.

NBC says the bankruptcy proposal is all but dead, but fear not. The same moon-eyed moron who did so much to get us into this mess isn’t giving up that easily:

Democrats also want any potential proceeds the government reaps from the bailout to go to a fund designed to pay for housing for poor families. Many Republicans oppose the very existence of the fund, which they say is a backdoor means of funneling money to liberal political groups.

Democratic demands that Congress be given greater authority over the bailout and that the government be required to help homeowners renegotiate their mortgages so they have lower monthly payments already have been accepted in principle.

Under the bailout bill, which will let the government buy huge amounts of toxic mortgage-related assets, “we’re now the biggest mortgage holder in town, and we can do serious foreclosure avoidance,” [Barney] Frank said.

I know I speak for all of us in saying how gratified I am that Barney Frank and “Countrywide Chris” Dodd are the point men for this deal on the left. For your amusement while we wait for updates, including/especially a statement from McCain (the meeting with Bush and Obama is at 4 p.m.), here’s O’Reilly in full meltdown this afternoon over what a “fat toad” Frank is and how we shouldn’t be listening to certain cigar-chomping private-jet-owning right-wing talk radio superstars given to blaming the crisis on the Clinton administration. Click the image to watch.

Update: Republican voter Bill Clinton gives the bailout thumbs up, and sounds a note being heard more frequently now on both sides: It might ultimately make more money than it costs.

Update: Boehner warns that House Republicans haven’t signed off on anything yet, but he’s “encouraged” by what he’s seen thus far.

Update: Oh my. Boehner’s suddenly calling the deal a “non-starter” and Carl Cameron quotes the McCain campaign as saying it’s “all but dead.” Paulson also suddenly seems to think it’s on life support.


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CapedConservative on September 25, 2008 at 4:09 PM

The move is counter-deflationary. That’s the whole point of it. Deflation is the clear and present danger when money supplies sharply contracts, as it would had we allowed the credit market to seize up. We’ve had deflation outside of commodities for some time now. And in the last few months even commodities have been coming down, hence the negative headline cpi number last month.

phronesis on September 25, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Only the free market can save us? The market is not working right now, that is the problem.

Terrye on September 25, 2008 at 4:13 PM

The problem is that the market hasn’t even been allowed to work, and people on your side of the debate won’t even consider the possibility that giving it the opportunity to do so is not only a better solution, it’s the only solution. The bailout is not in the least bit a solution, only a band-aid designed to help provide a temporary footing to a market that needs to correct itself. When next this problem rears up to bite us our position to deal with it will be even weaker.

FloatingRock on September 25, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Folks, its over and has been since last week, there is a bailout coming. I would have preferred that the marketplace work out the details by suspending the mark to market provision otherwise known as FASB 157 that is causing this whole liquidity crisis in the first place.

But that was not to be. So please put a cork in it about the virtues of this bailout–there are none. A small cabal of people, the ones that got us into this mess, are designing the solution otherwise, as they conveniently say, we will be in a depression. Sure what ever you say.

That said the bailout is a done deal, for better or worse. But please, for the love of god stop this tripe that it won’t cost us trillions or that, are you sitting down, we might make some profit on it.

The bubble has burst, its over, housing prices will probably not recover their old highs in your lifetime. Oh, you think not? I direct your attention to the last two great bubbles, both I might add smaller than this housing bubble, the Nikkie stock market which topped in 1989, still 75% below its high and our own Nasdaq, home to the tech mania, now completing its 9th year 60% below its peak, that even after a six year rally.

http://www.mrci.com/pdf/nikkei.pdf
http://www.mrci.com/pdf/ndxi.pdf

The paper we are buying is based on those house prices. Bernanke himself has said we are not buying this paper at a big discount otherwise the banks don’t get re-liquidified.

We are eating the loss, get over it and stop denying it.

patrick neid on September 25, 2008 at 4:33 PM

phronesis on September 25, 2008 at 4:26 PM

All except for one minor commodity… oil. Increasing M2 by 1/7th cannot avoid being inflationary. The dollar will have to fall. The price of oil (gasoline)?

We shall see…

CC

CapedConservative on September 25, 2008 at 4:35 PM

I want to see the house GOP members pull a stunt like the democrats always do. Load this bailout package up with conservative favorites such as across the board spending cuts, tax cuts, and the complete elimination of failed programs. Increase deductions for health insurance premiums, mortgage interest, business debt interest, etc.
Eliminate cap gains tax, cut or eliminate the federal gas tax. Put in as much pro business, pro growth, pro consumer goodies as possible. We want something for our $700 Billion.

roninacreage on September 25, 2008 at 4:35 PM

If being a good conservative means that I have to embrace the Great Depression 2 as if it were some cleansing spiritual experience we all need to go through in order to get closer to the market God, then to hell with it.

Terrye on September 25, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Pretending that I don’t want to do anything is a facetious argument. I want appropriate tax cuts, (and any other free -market ideas devised by people more knowledgeable than myself), to encourage a massive inflow of new free-market capital into the economy to increase the supply of money. I want to eliminate the problems that created this mess in the first place to prevent them from doing any more harm. I want an investigation to find the guilty parties responsible and bring them to justice.

What more could there possibly be to a real solution? Since when did “conservatives” decide that socialism was so much better than capitalism? Since when do failed socialist lending policies and practices tarnish free-market capitalism? That makes no sense.

FloatingRock on September 25, 2008 at 4:39 PM

CapedConservative on September 25, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Oil is down quite a bit from its highs. It wasn’t going to go straight down. Neither did the Nasdaq from its 5000 level. I’m all for drilling though to keep up the downward pressue.

phronesis on September 25, 2008 at 4:42 PM

What more could there possibly be to a real solution? Since when did “conservatives” decide that socialism was so much better than capitalism? Since when do failed socialist lending policies and practices tarnish free-market capitalism? That makes no sense.

FloatingRock on September 25, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Amen.

We want incentives put in place to attract PRIVATE capital. Not a bailout of crooked bankers with PUBLIC money.
I want to see a perp walk. I want assets seized. I want prison sentences. Not a bill that me, my kids and their kids will get stuck with.

roninacreage on September 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Is the reason the Republicans have not signed off because it has a bunch of extra crap in it?

If so, I hope McCain raises Cain over it!!!

Queen0fCups on September 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Oil is down quite a bit from its highs. It wasn’t going to go straight down. Neither did the Nasdaq from its 5000 level. I’m all for drilling though to keep up the downward pressue.

phronesis on September 25, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Did you see the other thread about Reid trying to block shale resource? Google Soros Petrobras. $811 million in an oil interest in Brazil. Reid’s actions are a great example of country first. I too believe in drilling everywhere we can but, just like this bailout deal, I see the writing on the wall. There will be no drilling. Way back in time (year.. year and a half) I was predicting oil over $100 on a boating forum I frequent (we were all bitching about gas prices). I was horse laughed out of the thread. I suspect gas will consistently be over $6 next summer. Then again, I may be crazy.

CC

CapedConservative on September 25, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Billy O is such a colossal tool bag. Someone is for the bailout? THEY’RE LYING! Someone is against the bailout? THEY’RE LYING!

Only Bill O is looking out for the folks.

What a crank.

VolMagic on September 25, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Three things solve this for me……..

#1 – Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and any other democrat/republican who had a hand in this freaking mess along with any chairman of or board person of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac go straight to jail, do not pass go for atleast 2 yrs, and I ain’t talking country club prison, I mean breaking big rocks in to little rocks prison.

#2 – An across the board 10% tax rate on EVERYTHING. Corporate, personal, small business, capitol gains, if it’s a government tax rate it is now capped at 10%. If it’s good enough for community organizer Jesus, then it’s good enough for the U.S. government……..

#3 – The news media to tell the whole story……..

I know, I know, put down the crack pipe and slowly back away…… sorry…. I can dream right?

Randy1968 on September 25, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Congrats everyone, we have all become owners of worthless investments that we purchased above market value. This is what we all deserve for listening to our politicians and believing what the banking community, the people with most to gain by the bailout, say about the need for the bailout. We are all suckers and if you want investment advice, invest in wheelbarrels so you can take your money to the supermarket and price tags manufacturers for obvious reasons.

LevStrauss on September 25, 2008 at 4:56 PM

FloatingRock on September 25, 2008 at 4:39 PM
Amen.

We want incentives put in place to attract PRIVATE capital. Not a bailout of crooked bankers with PUBLIC money.
I want to see a perp walk. I want assets seized. I want prison sentences. Not a bill that me, my kids and their kids will get stuck with.

roninacreage on September 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Amen to that Amen, brothers

I want Barney Frank sent to the Big House, shackled to Chris Dodd. For Barney it will be a Warped Dream come true, but people need to know that government caused this mess as much or more than any ‘greed’ on the part of Clever Capitalists who used government to work the market like b+tch in heat

Janos Hunyadi on September 25, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Well, it looks like I’m finally getting that second house I always wanted.

Maybe a third and fourth too.

Whoopee.

SteveMG on September 25, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Is the reason the Republicans have not signed off because it has a bunch of extra crap in it?

If so, I hope McCain raises Cain over it!!!

Queen0fCups on September 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM

One of McCain’s 5 stipulations was NO EARMARKS.

Also, the world really has gone crazy. Dennis Kucinich was just on Fox talking and he didn’t sound like a complete loon. He sounded sensible and almost Republican in what he was saying. Oy, the world has turned upside down.

mrsmwp on September 25, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Oh oh… “the Judge” just said unless they bail out EVERYBODY, it will be unconstitutional…

CC

CapedConservative on September 25, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Not a bailout of crooked bankers with PUBLIC money.
I want to see a perp walk. I want assets seized. I want prison sentences. Not a bill that me, my kids and their kids will get stuck with.

roninacreage on September 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Sorry to disappoint you, but the crooked people were members of congress, who are exempt from prosecution.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306978378974502

Vashta.Nerada on September 25, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Glad to see the adults are in charge,President Bush
and Presidential Republican nominee ‘Maverick McCain’,
as well as Governor Sarah Palin,aka SarahCuda!!!!!!!!

Now lock-up Barney and Dodd,and any other person,
who has their fingers in the this financial mess,
like Obama’s buddy who was connected to FM!!

canopfor on September 25, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Not sure,but the news,at the top of the hour,
just said,somebody walked out!!!!

I think it was Shelby!!!

canopfor on September 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Yes, it was Shelby who walked out and said there was no agreement.

ejbentz on September 25, 2008 at 5:15 PM

And Judge Napalitano said a bail out without bailing out everybody is unconsitutional. Also said they don’t have enough money for that…..

CC

CapedConservative on September 25, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Sorry to disappoint you, but the crooked people were members of congress, who are exempt from prosecution.

I’m not disappointed because you’re only partly right

I understand your point, and they are probably protected against most prosecution–but I believe that hearings would be Good and a trial would be Even Better, and taking bribes is not included in their ‘immunity’

Janos Hunyadi on September 25, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Dear Congress and Senate,

1. Common sense, the over supply of new homes built by the wage slave illegals have caused a huge down turn in home prices, in turn these lower prices have caused more foreclousers and more bad loans.

2. This can be slowed or stoped, tell the national home builders and the local area home builders they can no longer do this fraud of the off the books sub’s who are all
illegals.

3. This package can not have one dime in it used for citizens of other countries here illeglaly.

4. Country First, or your going to be voted out.

5. You can depend on us, we the people will not back down.

yours ever true
“We the People”

badtothebone on September 25, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Reps. Cantor, Hensarling and Ryan are working on a proposal.

ejbentz on September 25, 2008 at 5:30 PM

I was looking forward to obama stammering out some kind of remarks on the White House steps but alas he is off to the Mayflower Hotel (where I’m sure his teleprompter is waiting) to give his reply.

mrsmwp on September 25, 2008 at 5:42 PM

VN: from the IBD editorial that you link

Meanwhile, Fannie and Freddie also became a kind of jobs program for out-of-work Democrats.

Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, the CEOs under whom the worst excesses took place in the late 1990s to mid-2000s, were both high-placed Democratic operatives and advisers to presidential candidate Barack Obama.

Clinton administration official Jamie Gorelick also got taken care of by the Fannie-Freddie circle. So did top Clinton aide Rahm Emanuel, among others.

Rahm Emanuel was the muscle/brains behind the Dems’ takeover of Congress in 2006, ironically with the battle cry of cleaning up cronyism and corruption.

Emanuel is also the once orchestrating THE ONE’s presidential debate and making noises about not postponing it in order to paint McCain as some type of avoider.

For Emanuel, the game is always how to game a situation into the political.

On the other topic mentioned here in re to Soros and Petrobas, Soros has a history of destroying economies, so his role in our credit meltdown and the connection of energy independence to a recovering economy in the US cannot be minimized.

onlineanalyst on September 25, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Cantor’s plan sounds wonderful, but can it actually work?

lodge on September 25, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Cantor is sharp. While he deserves a role in a McCain administration, it is people like him and DeMint and Pence, who are keeping Congress accountable to the people and the Constitution.

onlineanalyst on September 25, 2008 at 5:55 PM

I’ll support Ryan and Cantor. Otherwise, no deal. Unless we learn a lesson from how we got in this GSE mortgage mess, $700 billion is just another kick in the groin to our grandchildren who will have to pay for our foolishness. I never trust salesmen who tell me you have to act now.

Angry Dumbo on September 25, 2008 at 6:06 PM

Just heard from FOX here that Obama will say hes gonna stay in Washington and work on the bill because “devilish details” came up in the bill throwing everything into a panic. Obama’s call me if you need me = SNAFU.

Cardiganfox on September 25, 2008 at 6:12 PM

I understand your point, and they are probably protected against most prosecution–but I believe that hearings would be Good and a trial would be Even Better, and taking bribes is not included in their ‘immunity’

Janos Hunyadi on September 25, 2008 at 5:17 PM

True, and at the very least they should lose their committee seats, and in a just world, would lose their next election.

Vashta.Nerada on September 25, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Breaking Fox Business: Meeting ended very badly. Barney Frank yelling about Republicans not being on board. very testy…

TheBigOldDog on September 25, 2008 at 6:34 PM

So who’s going to be he first one to rat out Obama for the “contributions” he made durig the big pow-wow? I love that he NOW feels like it’s “important enough to be a part of” and is spending the night.

Me thinks he’s just worried that they’re all going to talk about him if he’s not there.

anniekc on September 25, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Obama whining on Fox

Enoxo on September 25, 2008 at 6:37 PM

OMG – O! on Brit’s show.

He has me convinced with his first sentence (paraphrasing): I believe we shouldn’t have gotten into this mess in the first place.

Man, why didn’t all of our other politicians think of that? Believing makes it so when you’re the One.

Y-not on September 25, 2008 at 6:37 PM

I’ve been on the phone every day…

Both of us are working with our respective parties…

Man, that’s an avenue for a bi-partisan solution!

Y-not on September 25, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Obama is making a surprise appearance on Special Report with Brit Hume. Barry must be desperate after having his butt handed to him on a platter by McCain over this fiasco. Now Barry acts as if he were interested in this process from the start. What a liar. Now he is harping on how he and McCain are working so hard with their parties. You had to be forced back to your job by W, Barry. What a cruel turn of events for you.

We won’t be calling you, Barry: We don’t need you.

Philly on September 25, 2008 at 6:40 PM

Brit asked a straight question about Friday’s debate and O! gave him 2 minutes of obfuscation.

Fortunately, they immediately went to commercial so Brit has a chance to de-louse before the next segment.

Y-not on September 25, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Attention! Attention! Attention!

This is most urgent! Everyone on Hotair must send me $7,000 at once! Or at the very latest by tomorrow! Or at the very very latest by Sunday! If not, then terrible things will happen to you! Terrible things will happen to all of you! Trust me, I am not sure exactly what terrible things will happen to you, but they will be very terrible! Terrible!

I know that I am probably the main one who got you into this mess in the first place, but I am much smarter now than I used to be! Much more honest too! Trust me! Don’t rely on yourselves to survive! You will never make it on your own! You must have my help!

So, just to reiterate, all of you must send me $7,000 at once! Or at the very latest by tomorrow! Or at the very very latest by Sunday! If not, then terrible things will happen to you! Terrible things will happen to all of you!

I can fully guarantee you that if you do send me $7,000 right now I probably won’t demand anymore ever or if I do it probably won’t be all that much and it probably won’t be for at least a couple of more weeks! But don’t worry about that now! You don’t have time to worry about that now! If you hesitate then terrible things will happen to you! Terrible things beyond your imagination! If you all do send me the $7,000 then this terrible disaster that will surly happen to you if you don’t all send me $7,000 will probably, maybe, not happen to you!

You all must act soon before it is too late!

MB4 on September 25, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Obama just said “we shouldn’t be here in the first place”. Sounds like he just opened the door to discussion of exactly WHY we are here. Yo MSM why are we here?

ctmom on September 25, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Breaking Fox Business: Meeting ended very badly. Barney Frank yelling about Republicans not being on board. very testy…

TheBigOldDog on September 25, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Barney Frank has no business being part of any meeting, other than possibly a probation hearing 10-15 years from now.

Yup… blame the Republicans. Here we go folks. We are about to become extinct through the efforts of criminal politicians, nutroots, the MSM and the single most pathetic Presidential candidate to every walk the earth. I hope you all are clinging bitterly to your guns. We’re going to need ‘em soon.

Damiano on September 25, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Barry whined that he and McCain should be out campaigning instead of in Washington fixing this mess. We already knew you felt that way, Obambi. Some Commander in Chief you would make (snort).

Philly on September 25, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Breaking Fox Business: Meeting ended very badly. Barney Frank yelling about Republicans not being on board. very testy…

TheBigOldDog on September 25, 2008 at 6:34 PM

oooo, I hope they had somebody taping that. I really, really want to hear it.

And if Bill O’Reilly is the only one who will play it, more power to him. It’s funny that people seem to forget that O’Reilly got his big break on the hollyweird gossip show Inside Edition. I don’t take him seriously except for that fact that he can use his huge ratings to slap losers like Barney Frank.

funky chicken on September 25, 2008 at 6:44 PM

The democrats can’t lead a dog to a steak.

SouthernGent on September 25, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Cut corporate taxes and capital gains for the next year to 5% and watch the private sector solve the problem on their own.

I guess liberty is too much to ask…

Tim Burton on September 25, 2008 at 6:47 PM

I would just love to have McCain come out and say that he wasn’t on board because the democrats wouldn’t eliminate earmarks and other unrelated pork from the bill.

And the Harry Reid oil shale moratorium BS.

funky chicken on September 25, 2008 at 6:48 PM

O’Reilly is living proof of how stupid people get Masters in Education degrees.
Blaming the Left AND the Right and bitching about Limbaugh.
What a gutless schmuck! If it wasn’t for Limbaugh, he’s be teaching social studies to dimwits in Levittown.

And then blaming Bush for policies that he tried to stop on several occasions. This even-handed crap is how we got into this mess. No one was fighting these bastards with their no-job, no-down payment guaranteed loans.

Plus he sounds like he is drugged out… pretty strange.
He also seemed to devolve into some strange Long Island mafia diction – something I have never heard before from him before.

TexasJew on September 25, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Attention! Attention! Attention!

This is most urgent! Everyone on Hotair must send me $7,000 at once! Or at the very latest by tomorrow! Or at the very very latest by Sunday! If not, then terrible things will happen to you! Terrible things will happen to all of you! Trust me, I am not sure exactly what terrible things will happen to you, but they will be very terrible! Terrible!

Who are you–Barack Obama?

Steve Z on September 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Krauthammer calls out Barry for his sham stunt interview and says McCain has the upper hand.

Philly on September 25, 2008 at 6:55 PM

The Obama, on Bret Hume’s Fox program just blamed McCain for ‘injecting presidential politics’ into the deal making.

Reality is the democrats are playing politics with this issue.

The democrats will sabotage this deal rather than let McCain demonstrate leadership. They will use this issue as a vehicle to damage McCain.

rockhauler on September 25, 2008 at 6:55 PM

Charles finished calling Barry a windbag (in a classy intellectual way, of course). I love you, Charles Krauthammer.

He must have hit the mark. Mara is defensive.

Y-not on September 25, 2008 at 6:56 PM

House Republicans stick to your guns. The answer is simple, “No reform, no bailout.” Put it on a bumper sticker.

Angry Dumbo on September 25, 2008 at 6:57 PM

Who are you–Barack Obama?

Steve Z on September 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM

No. My uncle is Hank Paulson though and several of my second and third cousins are congressmen. It seems to be working for all of them and on a much grander scale. What did I do wrong? He and the rest of them seem to be fooling the whole nation and I can’t even fool you. I know what it was. I wasn’t scary enough. Drat!

MB4 on September 25, 2008 at 6:58 PM

I get more useful information from Brit’s Political Grapevine and the Special Report panel (as long as either Charles “the Hammer” or Bill Kristol are on it) than I do on all the other TV programs, combined. I hope they can keep the quality up after Brit retires.

Y-not on September 25, 2008 at 6:59 PM

O’Reilly is living proof of how stupid people get Masters in Education degrees.
Blaming the Left AND the Right and bitching about Limbaugh.
What a gutless schmuck! If it wasn’t for Limbaugh, he’s be teaching social studies to dimwits in Levittown.

And then blaming Bush for policies that he tried to stop on several occasions. This even-handed crap is how we got into this mess. No one was fighting these bastards with their no-job, no-down payment guaranteed loans.

Plus he sounds like he is drugged out… pretty strange.
He also seemed to devolve into some strange Long Island mafia diction – something I have never heard before from him before.

TexasJew on September 25, 2008 at 6:49 PM

LOL. I decided to re-post only those sentences from your comment that I liked.

JiangxiDad on September 25, 2008 at 7:05 PM

Fox news is all over this story.
Good stuff.

rockhauler on September 25, 2008 at 7:09 PM

How many hours until McCain, Lieberman, Clinton, Grahamnesty, et al come out as the Gang of 10-14-Whatever with a compromise to save the day?

I’m guessing by midnight Eastern Time.

Terrie on September 25, 2008 at 7:13 PM

MB4 on September 25, 2008 at 6:58 PM

Oh Crap, you are REID!

upinak on September 25, 2008 at 7:13 PM

The Obama camp may have just “jumped the shark” in their attempts to vilify John McCain.

Fox news just reported that the Obama camp has stated that if the “bail out” plan fails,”John McCain would be fully responsible.”

Does that ,in turn, mean that if it is a success that John McCain will get full cridt? Yea! that’ll happen….

Nelsa on September 25, 2008 at 7:15 PM

House Republicans stick to your guns. The answer is simple, “No reform, no bailout.” Put it on a bumper sticker.

Angry Dumbo on September 25, 2008 at 6:57 PM

Right on AD!!! and ditto that.

House Republicans seem to be the only ones who are looking out for the taxpayers. Too bad this isn’t on Obama’s precious time frame.

Rovin on September 25, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Obama whining on Fox.

Enoxo on September 25, 2008 at 7:17 PM

The White House Meeting [Yuval Levin]

I am reliably told that John Boehner discussed the Republican Study Committee’s “Rescue Principles” at the White House meeting, and McCain backed up his assertion that House Republicans can’t just be ignored, especially if they have ideas that could improve the package, though he did not explicitly endorse the RSC ideas. McCain’s spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker is telling reporters that McCain is not pushing a particular proposal at the moment but is working to broker an agreement that could address the problems and include the broadest possible bipartisan coalition.

The McCain campaign put out a short statement that reads: “We’re optimistic that Sen. McCain will bring House Republicans on board without driving other parties away, resulting in a successful deal for the American taxpayer.”

McCain was apparently a very active participant in the White House discussion, while Obama expressed his support for the general frame of the draft put together by the House and Senate Banking Committees but did not go beyond that. The Democrats did not expect to be presented with additional ideas beyond that draft, and left the meeting decidedly unhappy.

09/25 07:08 PM

From NRO Corner. I’d bet McCain brokers a deal that’s presented to the Dems, and then, as he heads out the door to his plane for Oxford, MS, he says, “Ready to debate, Barry?”

“Uh, Uh, Uh.”

Wethal on September 25, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Y-not on September 25, 2008 at 6:56 PM

Yeah Teh Hammer certainly made up for the stinging “Palin pick is near suicidal” thing there.

The big 0 campaign people are saying that if it fails it’s all McCains fault. Boo…

Cardiganfox on September 25, 2008 at 7:20 PM

McCain has set this up perfectly. Its impossible to gauge the sheer political brilliance of his latest gambit. Two days ago there was reluctant surrender to supporting the Paulson bill with nary a mention of McCain and the economy. Now, its all about him, success or failure. Knowing McCain’s history (love it or hate it) he has a way of putting together successful bi-partisan coalitions.

The man is brilliant. Tomorrow we’ll see the emergence of a Mccain-(fill in a Democrat) bill that will get passed, ostensibly saving the economy.

JonPrichard on September 25, 2008 at 7:23 PM

The White House Meeting [Yuval Levin]

I am reliably told that John Boehner discussed the Republican Study Committee’s “Rescue Principles” at the White House meeting, and McCain backed up his assertion that House Republicans can’t just be ignored, especially if they have ideas that could improve the package, though he did not explicitly endorse the RSC ideas. McCain’s spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker is telling reporters that McCain is not pushing a particular proposal at the moment but is working to broker an agreement that could address the problems and include the broadest possible bipartisan coalition.

The McCain campaign put out a short statement that reads: “We’re optimistic that Sen. McCain will bring House Republicans on board without driving other parties away, resulting in a successful deal for the American taxpayer.”

McCain was apparently a very active participant in the White House discussion, while Obama expressed his support for the general frame of the draft put together by the House and Senate Banking Committees but did not go beyond that. The Democrats did not expect to be presented with additional ideas beyond that draft, and left the meeting decidedly unhappy.

09/25 07:08 PM

But, but, that’s impossible! John McCain hates conservatives, remember? Barry’s better for us all.

/ahem

funky chicken on September 25, 2008 at 7:24 PM

It’s my opinion that the hang up is this: who get’s to dump their junk loans and how much do they get on the dollar. You can’t just let MS, LB and AIG participate. The liquidity crisis is systemic. Everybody is sitting with massive amounts of dead wood and dying wood on the books. Everyone needs cash to enable them to give relief to the troubled borrowers and to take their lumps disgourging theselves of their REO portfolios.

Thus the problem becomes how big of a faucet do we design,and how many loans can come through it and at what pace? This is a gigantic question and not one that Barney Frank, George Bush, McCain or Obama have the faintest idea how to address.

They need to bring in the pros from Dover to set the ground rules. These political hacks have not a clue.

DrW on September 25, 2008 at 7:25 PM

No reform, no bailout. You don’t pay a plumber until he fixes your sink. Don’t fix it, no money.

Angry Dumbo on September 25, 2008 at 7:29 PM

The Democrats did not expect to be presented with additional ideas beyond that draft, and left the meeting decidedly unhappy.

09/25 07:08 PM

Boo hoo………poor democrats…..this has still got to be all Booooooooooosh’s fault.

The only time you’ll see a democrat happy is when a bill is signed that has plenty of pork and give-aways and the taxpayer be damned.

Rovin on September 25, 2008 at 7:31 PM

I still hope the house republicans are doing this as a tactic to get the best possible deal. But if they’re not, if they let this country burn, I’m not going to be a republican much longer.

phronesis on September 25, 2008 at 7:32 PM

Here is the video of Obama on Fox News tonight when he surprised Britt Hume with an interview on the financial crisis.

Nelsa on September 25, 2008 at 7:33 PM

The details on Cantor-Hensarling-Ryan:

Here

Go down to “House Guys”

Sakaki on September 25, 2008 at 7:36 PM

I was waiting for Brit to go all “Chuck Norris” on him.
Disappointment. Must have had “pre-conditions”.

HornetSting on September 25, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Yeah Teh Hammer certainly made up for the stinging “Palin pick is near suicidal” thing there.

His reaction to Palin was disappointing, but understandable. He’s pretty cerebral — I don’t think he understands Palin’s appeal to the voters which is largely based on her straight forward, everywoman approach to politics.

Picking Palin was done on gut instinct. Charles is a terrific analyst but he’d be a lousy politician.

Y-not on September 25, 2008 at 7:41 PM

I’m beginning to wonder about the “strategery” here. Pelosi could ram this through the House on Dem support only, if all the Blue Dogs are on board. In the Senate, 41 GOP senators can filibuster, so Reid would need at least 9 Republicans to vote for the proposal in order to break a filibuster. It’s possible that Senate Republicans (including McCain) are using the concerns of the House Republicans as a bargaining chip to demand concessions from the Democrats in exchange for backing off a filibuster, since any bill must pass both houses with identical language to become law.

This could be a game of VERY high-stakes poker to fashion this bill to a more market-oriented bailout, with more of the potential liabilities transferred to the banks holding the bad mortgages and away from the Government, or it could be that Democrats are trying to load it with pork (or a shale-oil ban) which the Republicans would be right in blocking.

The question becomes: if the deal falls through completely, and the markets tank and there is a recession, whom will the voters blame? Or if one side or the other caves, who gets bragging rights? Even if the Dems cave, and the bailout costs less than $700 billion and is more market-oriented than Paulson’s original proposal, will the Dems be able to spin it as Republican obstruction?

Although, if a deal is reached which is decidedly different than what Bush/Paulson originally proposed, McCain could definitely escape the label of “the third term of George Bush”.

Steve Z on September 25, 2008 at 7:42 PM

If being a good conservative means that I have to embrace the Great Depression 2 as if it were some cleansing spiritual experience we all need to go through in order to get closer to the market God, then to hell with it.

Terrye on September 25, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Pretending that I don’t want to do anything is a facetious argument. I want appropriate tax cuts, (and any other free -market ideas devised by people more knowledgeable than myself), to encourage a massive inflow of new free-market capital into the economy to increase the supply of money. I want to eliminate the problems that created this mess in the first place to prevent them from doing any more harm. I want an investigation to find the guilty parties responsible and bring them to justice.

What more could there possibly be to a real solution? Since when did “conservatives” decide that socialism was so much better than capitalism? Since when do failed socialist lending policies and practices tarnish free-market capitalism? That makes no sense.

FloatingRock on September 25, 2008 at 4:39 PM

I went down this road yesterday with many people, with Terrye among them in fact, and obviously the fear is too big for most people to see anything but the bailout as the only hope. Neil Cavuto just got done with Sheppard Smith stating once again we shouldn’t be rushing anything through cause that’s the same damn thing that got us into this mess. He was not convinced this is the great apocalypse for our markets at all and I’ve come to trust that opinion of his. As he said, “the cure can be worse then the cancer”.

Conservatism is about the easy road, it isn’t about telling people what the want to hear, it’s about facing reality and making the hard decisions that come with it. Socialism is never the answer but that’s exactly the bitter pill everyone, even most conservatives, want us to suddenly swallow. I don’t understand how this fear counterattacked our common sense, but it surely has.

CTDeLude on September 25, 2008 at 7:42 PM

It would be awesome if McCain-Clinton was the compromise bill.

Spirit of 1776 on September 25, 2008 at 7:43 PM

It would be awesome if McCain-Clinton was the compromise bill.

Spirit of 1776 on September 25, 2008 at 7:43 PM

Too much fun to even think about. I don’t have that much popcorn

Nelsa on September 25, 2008 at 7:45 PM

It would be awesome if McCain-Clinton was the compromise bill.

Spirit of 1776 on September 25, 2008 at 7:43 PM

OMG! Awesomely awesome!

I went down this road yesterday with many people, with Terrye among them in fact, and obviously the fear is too big for most people to see anything but the bailout as the only hope.

It would be helpful in alleviating fear if someone in authority would explain what happens if the company holding your mortgage goes belly up.

Y-not on September 25, 2008 at 7:46 PM

This debacle is separating the Republicans from the Rinos.

HornetSting on September 25, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Ann Coulter throws in her .02

SouthernGent on September 25, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Wow. The background behind Shep Smith’s breaking news is flashing on and off in yellow and red like some kind of nuclear alarm is going off. All that’s missing are air raid sirens.

Buy Danish on September 25, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Conservatism is about the easy road


ISN’T

CTDeLude on September 25, 2008 at 7:49 PM

With Hillary Clinton insisting that we need foreclosure protections (i.e., more of the market-ignoring nonsense that created the mess), I do not look forward to any McCain-Hillary solution.

As for Sarah Palin, she needs to keep doing these interviews because she needs practice & confidence going into the debate.

JudetheFossil on September 25, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Wow. The background behind Shep Smith’s breaking news is flashing on and off in yellow and red like some kind of nuclear alarm is going off. All that’s missing are air raid sirens.

Buy Danish on September 25, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Yeah, soon they’ll just run video of nuclear explosions behind him. On the content of that segment, Pelosi and Franks are trying to wrestle the narrative, McCain and both Senate and House GOP need to get in front and begin to tell us why it fell apart, or is falling apart. Otherwise, Pelosi will. C’mon GOP set the table.

Weight of Glory on September 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Ann Coulter throws in her .02

SouthernGent on September 25, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Was that arrow for me?

HornetSting on September 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM

GOP Policy Committee Chairman Rep. Thaddeus McCotter just gave a pretty hardcore speech on the floor of the House opposing the proposed bailout.

He said House Republicans supported the Petraeus Surge, but would not support the Paulson Splurge.

He said House Republicans would not turn over the type of power to the government that Mao and Stalin killed for. Damn.

CP on September 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM

The Obama camp may have just “jumped the shark” in their attempts to vilify John McCain.

Fox news just reported that the Obama camp has stated that if the “bail out” plan fails,”John McCain would be fully responsible.”

Does that ,in turn, mean that if it is a success that John McCain will get full cridt? Yea! that’ll happen….

Nelsa on September 25, 2008 at 7:15 PM

It seems that the Obama camp has been totally blindsided by everything that happened today. As well as Frank and Dodd. They got played for fools. These people forgot how McCain built his maverick reputation. First you blow it up, then you rebuild it and sell it as your own and take full credit. Today was only the first step. By the time this is over McCain will be seen as the savior of the bailout. Masterful politicing.

johnt on September 25, 2008 at 7:53 PM

CP on September 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM

I guess J S Mill was right all along.

phronesis on September 25, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Say, I’m liking this “McCain has saved the day” meme

Hopefully a respectable bill gets passed, then McCain returns to whup Obama’s ass in Mississippi

lodge on September 25, 2008 at 4:26 PM

First the deal is on, then it’s off. Now Fox News says a meeting is about to start of the deal.

Who knows?….

Right_of_Attila on September 25, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Weight of Glory on September 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM

I want video of Harry Reid going ballistic.

Buy Danish on September 25, 2008 at 7:58 PM

I want video of Harry Reid going ballistic.

Buy Danish on September 25, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Do you think there was a cloud of dust when he blew his lid?

HornetSting on September 25, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Mark my words:

Cantor-Hensarling-Ryan will be the plan, with some concessions given to Democrats to put them at ease. This will happen, it will get through, and by Monday, the markets will start stabilizing.

Sakaki on September 25, 2008 at 8:00 PM

If the bank that gave you your mortgage goes bust, nothing happens other than some other institution takes over servicing your loan. You then make payments to that institution.

If this thing tanks, the GOP will be blamed for killing the economy.

jim m on September 25, 2008 at 8:03 PM

The two candidates for the Presidency have left us on the brink of economic catastrophe.

So sayeth Shep Smith. Sheesh.

Buy Danish on September 25, 2008 at 8:03 PM

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