Breaking: Basic deal on bailout reached; Update: House GOP not on board yet; Update: Deal blowing up?
posted at 1:51 pm on September 25, 2008 by Allahpundit
Just a skeleton right now. They’ll spend the next few days adding muscle, including how the funds will be phased in and whether the feds will be merely purchasing debt or going the whole nine socialist yards and buying up failing companies themselves.
The group broadly agreed there was a need for:
1) a panel to conduct oversight of how the vast sums of taxpayer cash are spent;
2) taxpayer protections — a way for taxpayers to receive some equity, through warrants, in the companies receiving government aid;
3) limits on executive compensation for officers of the companies receiving government aid — regarding golden parachutes, bonuses based on erroneous earnings (or “clawback”), and tax deductions for bonuses;
4) but a source tells ABC News that there was a problem resolving the issue of how to help homeowners facing foreclosure. Democrats want to re-write bankruptcy laws to enable judges to re-negotiate mortgages; Republicans do not.
NBC says the bankruptcy proposal is all but dead, but fear not. The same moon-eyed moron who did so much to get us into this mess isn’t giving up that easily:
Democrats also want any potential proceeds the government reaps from the bailout to go to a fund designed to pay for housing for poor families. Many Republicans oppose the very existence of the fund, which they say is a backdoor means of funneling money to liberal political groups.
Democratic demands that Congress be given greater authority over the bailout and that the government be required to help homeowners renegotiate their mortgages so they have lower monthly payments already have been accepted in principle.
Under the bailout bill, which will let the government buy huge amounts of toxic mortgage-related assets, “we’re now the biggest mortgage holder in town, and we can do serious foreclosure avoidance,” [Barney] Frank said.
I know I speak for all of us in saying how gratified I am that Barney Frank and “Countrywide Chris” Dodd are the point men for this deal on the left. For your amusement while we wait for updates, including/especially a statement from McCain (the meeting with Bush and Obama is at 4 p.m.), here’s O’Reilly in full meltdown this afternoon over what a “fat toad” Frank is and how we shouldn’t be listening to certain cigar-chomping private-jet-owning right-wing talk radio superstars given to blaming the crisis on the Clinton administration. Click the image to watch.
Update: Republican voter Bill Clinton gives the bailout thumbs up, and sounds a note being heard more frequently now on both sides: It might ultimately make more money than it costs.
Update: Boehner warns that House Republicans haven’t signed off on anything yet, but he’s “encouraged” by what he’s seen thus far.
Update: Oh my. Boehner’s suddenly calling the deal a “non-starter” and Carl Cameron quotes the McCain campaign as saying it’s “all but dead.” Paulson also suddenly seems to think it’s on life support.











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The equity stake is the piece which really worries me, hopefully it won’t be too bad when the details are ironed out or else companies won’t use the facility. The wording of the executive compensation piece you outlined here, on the other hand, seems very reasonable.
phronesis on September 25, 2008 at 1:56 PM
On a purely political note, this looks like it just might work to McCain’s advantage.
BadgerHawk on September 25, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Only Nixon could go to China.
lorien1973 on September 25, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Yay! We’re free!
Weight of Glory on September 25, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Looks like the threat of McCain getting credit got the fire lit.
Which is to say, no return of investment for the taxpayers. The dems don’t see it as a loan, it’s a gift.
Spirit of 1776 on September 25, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Anything out there on what House Repubs. are thinking?
Weight of Glory on September 25, 2008 at 1:57 PM
What is the title of Bill O’Reilly’s new book?
“A bold fresh piece of Ham Steak?”
Elizabetty on September 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM
If McCain is gonna come out lookin’ good here; Republicans should oppose this bill. The McCain comes out of the meeting – does his whole yelling insane maverick thing – and gets them all onboard. He would have saved the bill.
lorien1973 on September 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM
“I’m not nearly as insane as I appear”
lorien1973 on September 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Debate — on or off?
aunursa on September 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM
It’s my tax money going to float all of this, Mr. Frank. If anyone should get a return on investment, it’s the people who are paying taxes to make this possible to begin with. That’s the way the market works.
JohnTant on September 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Um, are they gong to repeal Title 10?
You know, that pesky little law that says the Federal government can’t directly compete with any companies in the continental US?
Add in that the Government will be taking equity in companies? I seem to remember that was called… Socialism?
And they will then put limits on how a company can compensate employees? (CEOs)
Wow, just wow.
Romeo13 on September 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM
O’Reilly can be such a tool sometimes! There is plenty of blame to go around in this, (mostly on Dems) and that includes BJ Clinton. It was his administration that helped this mortgage crisis along by scaring banks into loaning money to people that were too great a risk normally by threat of government action through the Justice Department under Reno. This is not to say that there aren’t many others that could of and should of done more to avert this, but a great deal of this mess can be heaped upon BJ Clinton.
virology76 on September 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM
I, for one, welcome our new komrade socialist masters.
Fletch54 on September 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Looks like the Dems are trying to deny McCain credit, but House Repubs aren’t buying it.
lodge on September 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Wait! Wait! John McCain hasn’t had his photo-op yet!!
starfleet_dude on September 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Ummmm…how about we use the proceeds to…oh I don’t know…PAY DOWN THE DEBT THAT THE DEMS ARE ALWAYS CRYING ABOUT!!!!!
(sorry for all the yelling)
HawaiiLwyr on September 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Translation = way to increase public housing without actually having to build it.
Texas Gal on September 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM
There had better be a call to sell all equity when the facility shuts down. This is a supposed to be a temporay measure, not a means of government acquiring permanent equity in companies.
phronesis on September 25, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Wait! Wait! Democrats are claiming a deal (coincidentally as McCain arrives) while Republicans have apparently yet to be notified.
amerpundit on September 25, 2008 at 2:04 PM
…and Republicans bend over and grab the ankles in…….5……4…..3……2…..
Why do I know this is coming?
FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 2:04 PM
I want Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, Obama, Hillary, and that fu**ing idiot Reid to fall into a damn meat grinder Pink Floyd The Wall style. Sick of these fools.
Cardiganfox on September 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM
I had a gut feeling that Dems would try to insert language to somehow keep the assets under govt. control long term. But I think that would be political suicide if it was exposed, so I doubt it will happen.
BadgerHawk on September 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM
The government does not reap anything – this is my money and yours. Any return of capital belongs to us, not to the government to hand out as election year party favors.
Vashta.Nerada on September 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Wonder how much pork is on the pages, 20,001, in this bill? Harry wanted to ban oil shale stuck in.
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letget on September 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Any deal should have had Franks, Cox, and Dodd resign…these three were the point men on protecting us, and they were found counting their contribution from these fabled institutions.
right2bright on September 25, 2008 at 2:06 PM
I realize this is only tangentally related, but BOR is so full of it, he’s about to go into “Air America” level disgust in my book. Bush DID try and fix this Bill…the Democrats blocked it. They own this “crisis” as much as they own attempted defeat in Iraq.
Rogue on September 25, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Which song should be used in the McCain ad regarding THE MANCHILD’S “call me” theory on how to deal with this crisis- “Call Me” by Blonde or “Just Call Me” by James Taylor?
Does anyone think it was a bad idea for Dodd to jump out there and say there is an agreement when it looks like there is not, or at the very least the finer details that do matter has not been solved? I think they are having a nuclear melt down in the DNC! LMAO!
freeus on September 25, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Heh. I said that yesteday, when the resident nebbeshes were kvetching about doomsday.
ManlyRash on September 25, 2008 at 2:07 PM
The whole Dodd Frank thing pisses me off, INVESTIGATE THOSE GUYS….
reshas1 on September 25, 2008 at 2:07 PM
McCain is going there to deliver the republicans so he can save the bill. It’s the only possible outcome that benefits mccain.
lorien1973 on September 25, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Me thinks Billy boy had a lot of money in the wrong places. Only fools would allow the crooks in congress to actually run “oversight;” this must be done by a non-partisan non-governmental entity whose mandate is transparent and well-defined.
Annar on September 25, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Yeah. That has been the SOP for a few years now, hasn’t it?
Rush is making your very case right now. Heh. Good call, lorien. In fact I think you were floating this around last night.
Weight of Glory on September 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Damn! Beat me to it! My thoughts exactly.
If they are using taxpayer money from the treasury, then proceeds should go back to the taxpayers possibly in the form of a tax credit or paying down the national debt.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Rush Limbaugh just said that some Congress Republican just said Republicans have NOT signed onto the bailout yet. So there IS no Deal.
Democrats are just trying to get the word out before the 4pm meeting to take credit away from McCain
Enoxo on September 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM
I think I know where the rant against the “cigar smoking” right wing radio hosts came from. A couple of months ago Rush Limbaugh did an interview with the New york times (or NYT Book Review…one of those). In it he said Bill O’Reilly was “Ted Baxter”…a pretty fair description, but one I doubt O’Reilly liked very much.
Ergo…the foregoing.
Blaise on September 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM
John Bonhor just announced that there is NO DEAL. Still more work to be done. The Dems jumped the gun.
ManlyRash on September 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM
BINGO!
Democrats are slimeballs! Imagine the worst possible scenerio for Republicans- AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THE DEMS WILL ATTEMPT.
SCUMBAGS ALWAYS!
FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Maybe McCain himself will come out and reject the bill, propose some additions and then rally republicans to the changes.
johnt on September 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM
We need protests or whatever necessary to get these clowns off the committees.
Vashta.Nerada on September 25, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Oh amerpundit, any deal struck in committee has to be eventually voted on by the full House and Senate. But given how McCain couldn’t even be bothered to even read Paulson’s proposed bailout before suspending his campaign and flying hither and yon talking about it, he’s clearly just clowning around.
starfleet_dude on September 25, 2008 at 2:09 PM
That, by definition, is socialism. Don’t worry about any corruption there.
Under President Obama, the proceeds would be used to fund his $1 trillion in increased expenditures, right?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 25, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Such a deal.
A $700,000,000,000.00 (God only knows how much it will actually end up costing as government programs have a way of ending up costing way more than congress’s and President’s say they will) to stop a disaster that may or may not have happened and which this $700,000,000,000.00, which we don’t have, may of may not mitigate and may or may not make worse in the long run.
Brilliant.
Lets do $700,000,000,000.00 for Global Warming next, just in case.
KentAllard on September 25, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Good! Embarrass the Libtards. Toy with them on the hook. Play ‘em for a couple of days. Then beat the crap out of ‘em!
FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Looks like it already is.
anyway, the government will spend a trillion dollars to buy the rights to bad loans, and they have no real apparatus for managing the accounts, collecting, or seizing properties, or whatever else might be required to manage the accounts, and the Democrats already want to earmark whatever money might come back in for public housing? You gotta be kidding me.
forest on September 25, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Meanwhile…(paraphrased from original)
The House of Representatives on Wednesday approved a $25 BILLION package of low-cost loans to help hard-pressed carmakers and their suppliers finance plant modernisation at a time of restricted access to public capital markets.
Vote: 370-58, setting the stage for Senate approval within days.
The industry’s case has been helped by the fact that Michigan and Ohio, the two states most dependent on the car industry, are key swing states…
General Motors, Ford Motor and Chrysler and their suppliers have lobbied heavily for the loans. John McCain and Barack Obama have expressed support.
The go-ahead for the car industry loans has been written into a stop-gap spending bill, known as a continuing resolution, which must be passed to keep the federal government running beyond the end of the fiscal year on September 30.
The loans were originally authorised in an energy bill passed last December to finance the retooling of plants for more fuel-efficient vehicles, especially hybrid and electric cars.
The continuing resolution provides funding for $7.5 billion, which is the estimated subsidy on the loans – in other words, the cost to the government of providing them at well below market rates.
RushBaby on September 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Oh course you do…. because you are probably a SS fraud income wisher who is stealing my money.
I wish I had an ignore button.
upinak on September 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM
This is a huge loss for Obama. The bankruptcy cramdown provision has been part of his stump speech on economic recovery for months. His pal Dick Durbin has been its biggest champion in Congress for 4 years. The trial lawyers are clamoring for it because it will produce a stampede of bankruptcy filings. There has never been a better oportunity for Democrats to get this plum for their lawyer bankrollers. It is an enormous failure of leadership by Obama if it does not get into this bill.
rockmom on September 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM
You mean like it would be political suicide to try to put a Shale Oil prohibition into a bill…
Oh… wait… they’re trying….
Romeo13 on September 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Who was in the group?
The devil is in the details. When the rest of Congress gets a chance to amend this, who knows what might come out! Hopefully Muscle McCain will oppose the socialist 9 yards, and get a well-earned first-down from the voters.
Oh, by the way, the three major stock indices (Dow Jones, Nasdaq, and S&P 500) are all up more than 2% today. FWIW.
Steve Z on September 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Larry Kudlow has repeatedly said he thinks that the US Govt/taxpayer will make money on this deal over the long haul. I just wish they could throw in a cut in the corporate and capital gains tax rates as part of the compromise. That’s a way to get some investment momentum going.
Dudley Smith on September 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Ronald Reagan: “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”.
KentAllard on September 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM
That’s awesome. Where’s our headline?
phronesis on September 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM
And as long as Reid gets exposed it will blow up in his face.
BadgerHawk on September 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM
I thought I had read something on a NRO blog that said Reid was trying to sneak in language banning shale oil exploration. If this is true I hope McCain makes him famous like he promised he would during the primaries.
hump1201 on September 25, 2008 at 2:14 PM
I think you need a link that can handle the traffic. I can’t get through…
PattyJ on September 25, 2008 at 2:14 PM
I hope everyone that is bailed out by my taxpayer money dies of starvation and poverty.
leetpriest on September 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Fix it!
FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM
There is no way that’s happening. When’s the last time government willing gave up power they had received? No I’m afraid this is here to stay and it’s why I’ve hated all of this from the beginning. We ignore the Constitution more and more these days.
CTDeLude on September 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Kudlow is a Wall Street shill. Believe him at your own risk.
KentAllard on September 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM
O’Reilly I’m totally Poor and I;m against the Full $700 Billion Bailout.. I think that it could be limited to about $250B-300B Max, with Corporate Tax removed and Capital gains cut at the same time.. Also with ALL IN On energy Policy Yesterday.(But we Need the dumb a** Democrats on board)
Chakra Hammer on September 25, 2008 at 2:17 PM
KentAllard on September 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Nice try Mr. Allard. Thank you FiveWays.
Cindy Munford on September 25, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Ace has a post on the Dingy Harry shale oil ban thing.
HawaiiLwyr on September 25, 2008 at 2:19 PM
The Republicans MUST NOT sign off on this travesty. If anyone gets money back it should be those of us who took out conventional loans with big downpayments, only to have our property values tank as we became surrounded by foreclosed homes bought with subprime mortgages.
Buy Danish on September 25, 2008 at 2:19 PM
As our property taxes go up and up and up!
upinak on September 25, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Why didn’t people think of this before? All you have to do is give Wall Street trillions of dollars of taxpayer money and then everyone becomes rich! Why stop at a couple trillion? Why not a quadrillion? Then we can all be a thousand times richer!
If the founding fathers could see us now, I bet they wouldn’t have bothered with that whole revolution thingie.
KentAllard on September 25, 2008 at 2:21 PM
I don’t know if I missed it earlier or if good news just travels slower than bad news. But a three point swing in one day of a three day tracking poll means McCain must have polled really well on the most recent day counted.
forest on September 25, 2008 at 2:22 PM
I dunno about ya’ll but that clinton video was jumping around.
I thought I was watching a max headroom video.
LOL
LibertarianConservative on September 25, 2008 at 2:22 PM
The left has that chopping quote thing down pat.
BadgerHawk on September 25, 2008 at 2:23 PM
You must be really out of the loop. Everyone is suppose to already know the preamble to Reagan’s punch line.
KentAllard on September 25, 2008 at 2:24 PM
…classic O’Reilly…right on half of it (with a premium on emotion)…a bit blind on the whole picture.
Rush and some of the “right-wing liars” are right! It was exacerbated under Clinton. No contest. Where they give Bush a pass, they’re wrong. But, the whole “Bush is to blame…He’s been in for eight years” is simplistic, populist and, in this turn, a bit bombastic.
…we have before us a western in which nobody is authorized a white hat….
Let O’Reilly bloviate…at least he’s half-right…that’s better than 99% of the establishment media.
Puritan1648 on September 25, 2008 at 2:25 PM
Amen.
Think_b4_speaking on September 25, 2008 at 2:25 PM
Romeos Bail out…
FED to loan money, at the PRIME RATE, to those who wish to lock these “bad debts” or assets away until maturity.
Costs the Gov nothing, and companies can then get them off the books, so private loans can then start up again. It puts liquidity into the system with No TAX dollars used.
New oversite of Banks and the economy, and new House and Senate rules which state they can take NO campaign contributions from anything or anyone who has anything to do with any committee they are on.
Romeo13 on September 25, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Republicans should insist that any profit from the bailout be put in a “real” social security trust fund. The taxpayers should get any benefits if there are any – not Congress.
huckleberryfriend on September 25, 2008 at 2:26 PM
I know the whole scheme is basically socialism, but as a practical matter, is anybody else concerned about how the government intends to administer all these bad loans they are apparently buying? I’d like to get paid back for at least some of the debt.
forest on September 25, 2008 at 2:27 PM
Doesn’t need one… you would think a troll would be wondering just what the Democrats gave in to trying to get this deal done before Marshall McCain got back to town…
CC
CapedConservative on September 25, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Wait a minute…are the Republicans in on this agreement or not?
Deal or No Deal?
Steve Z on September 25, 2008 at 2:29 PM
The REAL reason O’Riley hates “Right Wing Talkers”:
http://www.talkers.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=34
Blue_State_Blues on September 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM
How about instead we just return that 700B to corporations/indivuals based on their tax burden instead of nationalizing the mortgage industry?
ClassicCon on September 25, 2008 at 2:31 PM
LOL
CP on September 25, 2008 at 2:32 PM
question is….how involved was mccain? what did he do?
venicesurfer on September 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Pay down the debt (or reduce deficit) yes.
Tax credit no.
Count to 10 on September 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Good point. Maybe what we are seeing now is the result of that.
Count to 10 on September 25, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Drudge mocks O’Reilly’s rant in 5-4-3-2…
When Drudge had his own Sunday night radio show, he suggested that O’Reilly got into talk radio only after Limbaugh went deaf, thinking Rush was no longer invincible. Six years later, look who’s still king of the airwaves. Heh.
Meanwhile, Drudge is still friends with Rush and never misses a chance to taunt O’Reilly.
Terrie on September 25, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Obama. Politics before Leadership.
/I love that motto…
john1schn on September 25, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Rush just mentioned that Ambinder reports that McCain is against this bailout??
JiangxiDad on September 25, 2008 at 2:39 PM
ALWAYS quote the Gipper in full and complete context. ALWAYS.
FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Even if it does, the crack addicts in Congress will spend every dime and more.
Valiant on September 25, 2008 at 2:41 PM
These two elements MUST be deleted from any deal!
“4) but a source tells ABC News that there was a problem resolving the issue of how to help homeowners facing foreclosure. Democrats want to re-write bankruptcy laws to enable judges to re-negotiate mortgages; Republicans do not.”
“Democrats also want any potential proceeds the government reaps from the bailout to go to a fund designed to pay for housing for poor families. Many Republicans oppose the very existence of the fund, which they say is a backdoor means of funneling money to liberal political groups.”
On another note; I don’t understand O’Reilly, any more. He’s like Jeckle and Hyde. He is losing his audience.
Star20 on September 25, 2008 at 2:41 PM
The reason Dems jumped the gun and said there was an agreement on the bailout, before there was, is because Dingy Harry is paranoid that McCain will come to Washington and vote NO on the bailout. Because nothing says maverick like voting against the President for the people.
And it’s possible.
Enoxo on September 25, 2008 at 2:41 PM
You answered you own question….
CC
CapedConservative on September 25, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Gross looks like he’s seen a ghost and furthermore, predicts that the “$700 billion-which-is-really-multiple-trillions-of-fiatscos” bailout ain’t gonna be enough to save the banks.
And that the feds will have to step with $500 billion more.
Whod’a thunk it?
Bill looks sleep-deprived. And would somebody please tell Bill to do something with that hair?
Bill keeps creeping closer and closer to a multi-trillion fiatsco prediction of debt failure.
But of course, he doesn’t even address the EVEN BIGGER derivatives failure so I believe it can be said with a certain amount of urgency and alacrity – We’re screwed!!!
KentAllard on September 25, 2008 at 2:43 PM
I never did give you much credit, but seems like even that was too much.
KentAllard on September 25, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Obviously I wasn’t and you can always hope for the people that don’t know. Otherwise, why leave it off? But I think we agree on the bail out/give away.
Cindy Munford on September 25, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Wait, some of you actually believe that we as taxpayers will actually see some sort of return on this disaster? Really?
ClassicCon on September 25, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Take all the bundled securities and put them in a social security lockbox that the congress can’t get it’s filthy corrupt hands on. A potential 700 billion plus interest would get that program back in decent shape. Through in any fnma, freddie mac or aig profits for good measure. Then do away with capitol gains and corporate taxes, lighten regulations for the building of coal and nuclear energy power plants and gasoline refineries and start drilling all over the place. Do all that and the economy will be roaring in 2 years and no one will remember the bailout.
OK, I’m done fantasizing about how good the world could be if we elected honorable lawmakers.
peacenprosperity on September 25, 2008 at 2:51 PM
It would be condescending to spell it all out. Better with just the punch line.
KentAllard on September 25, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Stick to the klingons circling Uranus.
jdkchem on September 25, 2008 at 2:52 PM
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