Bailout deal collapses, Democrats try to blame McCain

posted at 8:07 pm on September 25, 2008 by Allahpundit

Down goes Frazier. I missed the report on Fox earlier but Ace says it sounds like the Dems are trying to shift the blame for it from the House GOP to Maverick. Fair or no? Let’s see. Dodd lands the first blow:

Republican presidential nominee John McCain was blamed for de-railing negotiations by blindsiding lawmakers with his support for an alternative plan.

The ‘very contentious’ meeting broke up after Republican leaders said they had to go back to their rank-and-file to discuss the new proposal…

After the hour-long White House meeting, [Dodd] said: ‘What has happened here is that we have spent seven straight days to find a rescue plan for the economy.

‘What this looked like was a rescue plan for John McCain. To be distracted for two to three hours by political theatre doesn’t help.’

Democrats said the Republicans were on board with the deal until Mr McCain intervened an injected presidential politics into the situation.

The only problem? According to Marc Ambinder, citing four independent sources, McCain didn’t say much of anything during the White House meeting let alone float any alternative plans. Boehner, apparently, brought up some of the House GOP’s ideas; the Dems claim they got the impression that McCain supported those ideas, but “they concede that he did not raise them directly.” Even Reid, ever sneering, admits McCain played no major role.

Which isn’t to say that he doesn’t, in fact, support the House GOP. Quoth The Hill from an article published earlier this afternoon:

[A] key Republican lawmaker stated that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) wants to explore new ideas, like loaning money to financial institutions or insuring the companies, rather than buying their toxic debt…

Rep. Spencer Bachus (Ala.), the ranking Republican on the House Financial Services Committee, attended the meeting at which some say a deal was reached. But he later issued a statement saying he wasn’t authorized to negotiate or approve any deals for House Republicans…

He added that McCain is interested in using loans or insurance rather than having the government purchase the toxic debts of Wall Street institutions.

“We would prefer a loan or supplying insurance,” Bachus told reporters. “These are the ideas Sen. McCain tried to maximize. He feels strongly we have to design a program where taxpayers won’t lose.”

Bachus, wearing a “McCain-Palin” lapel pin, said he’d talked to McCain on Wednesday night and had breakfast with McCain’s advisers Wednesday morning.

The insurance angle is at the core of the House GOP’s alternative plan. See here for the particulars. In essence, they want to scrap a taxpayer bailout, expand the feds’ power to insure mortgage-backed securities, and lift regulations to encourage private investment and rescue the financial industry that way. As for McCain, it sounds like he’s being coy because he’s not sure yet which way to break on this politically. Better hurry up: If that Hill article I linked is correct, they’re nowhere near the 100 Republican votes Pelosi wants before she’ll send the bill to the Senate and the markets, shall we say, won’t like that. Exit question: If they can’t get a deal done to save the farking economy, will next week bring us Congress’s first ever zero percent approval rating?

Update: For what it’s worth, here’s what HuffPo’s sources are telling them about the meeting:

Towards the end, McCain finally spoke up, mentioning a counter-proposal that had been offered by some conservative House Republicans, which would suspend the capital gains tax for two years and provide tax incentives to encourage firms that buy up bad debt. McCain did not discuss specifics of the plan, though, and was non-committal about supporting it.

Paulson, however, argued directly against the conservative proposal. “He said that he did not think it would work,” according to the source. At another point in the meeting, President Bush chimed in, “If money isn’t loosened, this sucker could go down” — and by sucker he meant economy…

Following the meeting, Democrats stayed talking in the Roosevelt room and Paulson approached them. Speaker Pelosi and Rep. Barney Frank shot back at Paulson that the real problem was with House Republicans, according to sources. Paulson replied, “I know, I know,” as he got down on one knee to lighten the mood. Pelosi joked back, “I didn’t know you were a Catholic.”

Update: An astute point from Baseball Crank. In all the frenzy over McCain, you know whose name you haven’t heard much of at all as mattering to this deal? Barack Obama’s.

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Well it is early am and the headlines on Bloomberg are just soooo optimistic. Something about Republicans undercutting Bush to help stall talks and kill economy…blah blah blah.

Yes, guys just go on telling yourselves this is all about liberty and ideology and all that crap while the banks start to fail.

Let’s hope it is all hype, because if not things will be dicey.

Terrye on September 26, 2008 at 7:06 AM

Hey, thanks Sakaki!

I think the Dems are being played in a huge way – Look for Bush and McCain to star in the remake of “The Sting” in the Redford and Newman roles.

Heh.

Wind Rider on September 26, 2008 at 7:10 AM

Hawthorne on September 26, 2008 at 6:08 AM

I like some of your ideas.

dominigan on September 26, 2008 at 7:13 AM

patrick:

You can call me stupid and everything I say tripe, but Republicans lost the majority in the midterms in 2006. That means they have to deal with the Democrats, like it or not.

You brought up immigration and compared to some lefty or whatever, but considering the fact that the two men up for nomination in this election are Juan McAmnesty {as the hardliners liked to call him} and Barack Hussein Obama, I would think it would be obvious to you that the hardliner approach did not win in that argument.

And I don’t think it will win in this one unless they have a viable alternative that has a snowball’s chance of passing.

Being an ass with me will not change that. Calling me names and treating me like the enemy will not change that either. Insulting my intelligence and assuming that the only economists who know s*hit are the ones who agree with you will not change anything either if that market tanks and the banks start to fail.

Will that happen? I don’t know. But I do know that far too many people seem more concerned with the same old partisan battle to begin to take any kind of proactive steps here.

Terrye on September 26, 2008 at 7:14 AM

Has McCain said yet if he’s debating the moron tonight? I think if he doesn’t show up, it will be the end of his campaign.

ErinF on September 26, 2008 at 7:17 AM

Erin:

I do not know what McCAin will do.

He said that he was going to back to Washington to deal with this problem and it seems that once it dawned on some other people in the Republican party that dealing with this problem meant dealing with Democrats they decided to call the whole thing hype and a ripoff, attack anyone who would even consider anything remotely like a bailout and make the official stand of the party: if it goes to hell so be it. I have no idea where that leaves McCain.

I just hope he has something up his sleeve, or the debate won’t be the big news today anyway.

Terrye on September 26, 2008 at 7:24 AM

Well if the Dems would quit loading the bill with poison pills, they might get some cooperation from the Republicans.

fossten on September 26, 2008 at 7:25 AM

Funniest thing: You don’t see the Democrats running around wailing about an imminent Depression caused by a drying up of the credit market if their bill with all of its pork and sweeteners for ACORN doesn’t pass. They are trying to impose their own political agenda by stubbornly insisting on inserting poison pills into a recovery solution. Call them on their cynicism and disdain for the American responsible taxpayer. They are not behaving as if this potential collapse is serious.

onlineanalyst on September 26, 2008 at 7:27 AM

Terrye, there are many good ideas being proposed by Republicans to reach a fiscally sound solution. Why aren’t you using your reasoning against the Dems’ stonewalling? They do not have that same sense of franticness that you are displaying.

Believe me, after sacrificing deeply during my working years to put together a little nest egg, I am furious that the Dems are jeopardizing my financial security in order to further reward the sloth of their constituents and the greed of their political representation.

onlineanalyst on September 26, 2008 at 7:34 AM

Here’s the link to the list of 165 economists who appose this,,
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76231

scroll down to middle of story to see the list

JellyToast on September 26, 2008 at 7:44 AM

So Michelle has up that ACORN will be getting a sizable chunk of this money!
http://michellemalkin.com/

JellyToast on September 26, 2008 at 7:47 AM

Believe me, after sacrificing deeply during my working years to put together a little nest egg, I am furious that the Dems are jeopardizing my financial security in order to further reward the sloth of their constituents and the greed of their political representation.

onlineanalyst on September 26, 2008 at 7:34 AM

Have to make this quick as I have to get to work and Hot Air unfortunately is NSFW in my places of employment (the joys of working in a leftist workplace). Right now I and my family are watching and waiting to see how everything shakes out today. Regardless of how this turns out, I think in the end that this is going to blow up in the Democrats’ face. Whether it’ll blow up immediately or not is another question entirely; but I will say that in the future the names Dodd, Franks, Reid, Pelosi, and Obama will be amongst the most cursed names in American History–right up there with Harding, Arnold, Buchanan, and a few others.

Of course, that’s small consolation when compared to the damage they’re doing.

Matt Helm on September 26, 2008 at 7:52 AM

Fox is reporting about Acorn right now….about voter fraud.

Call your Senators/Reps NOW!

HornetSting on September 26, 2008 at 7:55 AM

Call your Senators/Reps NOW!

HornetSting on September 26, 2008 at 7:55 AM

Oh, yes! Let me jump up and call Dick Durbin, Barimbo O’Bambi, and Jesse Jackson, Jr., and tell them what a bunch of crooks ACORN is.

That’ll be a big help.

Jaibones on September 26, 2008 at 8:06 AM

The truth is most conservatives felt like there was a problem too until partisan politics raised its ugly head.

I hope it is not a big deal. I hope everything is okay fine and all we face is a crappy recession where few unimportant people lose their jobs..but when I heard Charles Krauthammer say the word collapse, I took notice.

Terrye on September 26, 2008 at 12:38 AM

Receessions happen, Terrye. And don’t twist the words to accomodate your position – Republicans have been decrying this situation virtually since Bush got in office.

Don’t be lazy – the documentation of this is all over the place.

This is a Democrat-driven disaster that goes back to my days in banking. We were laughing/groaning about the social engineering policies at the FDIC in the early 1980s. Under Clinton, it got ratcheted up hard.

The dissenters arent’ saying there isn’t a problem, they’re saying that a socialist government policy isn’t the answer.

Jaibones on September 26, 2008 at 8:16 AM

What I haven’t seen in all this criticism of McCain is the simple fact that IF, McCain believes he’s going to be the next man running the country, OF COURSE he wants to get this financial mess settled properly! Good Lord, He’ll have to deal with our economy in less than four months- where the hell is Obama? Guess he doesn’t really “get” that this will be his baby if he actually (shudder) wins this election.

anniekc on September 26, 2008 at 8:32 AM

Jeez – less than an hour to opening bell on Wall Street and there is no word, nary even a HINT that congress is making progress.

I am now officially starting to stress out.

And someone needs to smack the dems (ESPECIALLY Barney Frank) for going to the press and loudly complaining about the lack of progress.

What they should have done (and what the markets needed to hear) was simply to say “We’ve hit some bumps, but we’re working through them. It will take a little longer than we anticipated but it WILL GET DONE.”

That would have helped calm the market a bit.

Instead, we have Chicken Little’s screaming and crying about there not being a deal and I fear we’re about to see some new records set on Wall Street for the biggest drop in the least amount of time.

Religious_Zealot on September 26, 2008 at 8:47 AM

This could be a defining moment for McCain, good, or bad.

If he did put the brakes on this thing, he better come out and explain to the American people why he did it, and explain why the democrats deal would have been a disaster, if not now, 10 years from now.

If he can explain that proper changes to the bailout can save the economy now, and in the future, he wins.

If, in the end, he caves and we end up with the democrat plan, then he hasn’t gained anything and looks like a buffoon for trying.

Meanwhile, Obama gets MSM accolades for sitting on his hands and pouting.

cntrlfrk on September 26, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Perhaps its time that the mindless masses in this country experienced some real fear . . . then maybe they’ll understand that the freedom, security and good lives they have are not a right, but a privilege earned and secured for them by other brave men and women.

rplat on September 26, 2008 at 8:52 AM

It’s telliing that the Democrats think that ONLY the plan from Paulson, Amended by Dodd, is the Enlightened answer.

McCain proposes an alternative plan and is immediately chastised.

Democrats…Very Open Minded! /s

PappaMac on September 26, 2008 at 8:52 AM

At this time the country needs true leadership, something democrat’s lack.

pukara61 on September 26, 2008 at 9:00 AM

The Paulson Plan (buy all the debt… period) is designed solely to save those holding derivatives. If the debt defaults, those holding credit default swaps have to make good on them… fat chance. If Uncle Sugar buys all the debt, the swaps are put to bed… no default. I say put a plan in place that says we loan a company the face value of a loan that goes bad IF they haven’t gotten paid buy some other source (a default swap pays off). That way, the people that deserve to take the loss (those holding the swaps) take the gas. Those holding the bad loans get made whole via a loan that must be paid back. If the only plan they will accept is BUYING the debt, then their sole goal is to save those holding those derivatives. If they go with that, then I want COMPLETE DETAILS of who is holding those instruments and what their political connections are.

CC

CapedConservative on September 26, 2008 at 9:07 AM

This fiasco was created when Clinton implemented provisions for low interest loans to millions of people that couldn’t afford them. These loans were the babies of house and senate democrats that wanted the poor to experience the “American dream”. Well, their dream has turned into a nightmare and now these same Democrats are attempting to pass blame to others. Not only were they inept in the financial arena, they are sniveling cowards. You can spin this anyway you want to be true culprits remain unchanged. The Democrats depend on an uninformed, unlearned electorate to peddle their lies and distortions but their schemes are beginning to crumble.

rplat on September 26, 2008 at 9:08 AM

News is all “Bush confirming that the bailout will happen”.

Jaibones on September 26, 2008 at 10:04 AM

If the Dems and the Bush Admin think this is the right thing to do then they have the votes to pass it without the support of the Republicans in the House. The Dems are just too chickenshit to do it without political cover. If it doesn’t get done and things fall appart, its their fault, not McCain’s. If McCain comes up with an alternative and the capitulate and go with it and it fails, it’s still their fault, they would have had the votes to stop it. Time for them to grow some stones or shut up.

BrianA on September 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM

onlineanalyst on September 26, 2008 at 7:27 AM

Exactly. It isn’t too much of an emergency for them to not slip in major pork for their political machine, is it? This deal reminds me of the new car advertisements,..THIS OFFER ONLY GOOD FOR ONE DAY! BUY NOW!

a capella on September 26, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Has Obama said yet if he’s debating the moron tonight? I think if the moron doesn’t show up, it will be the end of his campaign.

LODGE4 on September 26, 2008 at 10:27 AM

“Will that happen? I don’t know. But I do know that far too many people seem more concerned with the same old partisan battle to begin to take any kind of proactive steps here.”
Terrye on September 26, 2008
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I agree to a certain extent with you here Terrye. As a dyed in the wool conservative and strong opponent of the liberal view, I whole heartedly agree….none of those in government or the narrow minded punditry deserve our unquestioning loyalty. From what I’m seeing, the two sides of the political coin, the main street variety, are NOT in that big of a disagreement on what we want to see happen here.

In a nutshell, we want a big shakeup in business as usual with the pols and CEO’s taking the biggest brunt of the pain and we want protection and more of a cushion for the taxpayer if we are expected to pay for this. That is why I am against what President Bush endorses and FOR the House Republican plan. Their plan represents the voice of the constituency, or at least closer to that than the Paulson plan.

Does anyone like this:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080926123140.jvg3mysz&show_article=1&lst=1

the CEO of bankrupt Lehman Brothers, Richard Fuld, received total compensation of 71.9 million dollars in 2007, including stock, bonuses and other pay, according to a survey published by Forbes magazine.

Martin Sullivan, the chief executive of AIG, who left the insurance giant before it was rescued this month by the federal government, received 14 million dollars, a survey in USA Today said. He also quit with a severance package worth 47 million dollars.

Even punishment for those at the center of the chaos comes with a gold lining.

When the government took over collapsed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, ousted bosses Daniel Mudd and Richard Syron were not allowed 12.59 million dollars worth in severance payments.

Yet they still got out the door with 9.43 million dollars in retirement benefits.

Public anger at such figures underlies skepticism about the entire government rescue.

Goodeye_Closed on September 26, 2008 at 10:36 AM

Allah – it’s not fair to say that Obama contributed nothing to the debate. At one point he asked for his juice:

http://i35.tinypic.com/2ladgkl.jpg

uptight on September 26, 2008 at 10:38 AM

“We were laughing/groaning about the social engineering policies at the FDIC in the early 1980s. Under Clinton, it got ratcheted up hard.”
Jaibones on September 26, 2008
___________________________________________________________

That was the catalyst that started it all! Since the days of Carter, the liberal’s crusade to redistribute wealth and social engineering has caused brain drain and economic collapse

Goodeye_Closed on September 26, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Has Obama said yet if he’s debating the moron tonight? I think if the moron doesn’t show up, it will be the end of his campaign.

LODGE4 on September 26, 2008 at 10:27 AM

My money says McCain is going to show so, no, Obama won’t be debating himself. Of course, he could debate Biden… they seem to be in disagreement on a few things…

CC

CapedConservative on September 26, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Either we get a good bailout plan and McCain loses the election, or a crap bailout plan and McCain wins.

Hopefully, we at least get ONE of these.

What you can’t allow is the Dems to get the Repubs. on this bad bailout plan and still lose the election cause the MSM/Dems are able to point at McCain for perceived meddling.

Do the plan right, thereby convincing Repubs. to sign on (even though Dems can pass it without Repubs.) look like a leader, jet out for the debate and quickly back to Washington to continue working.

The ACORN shit should NOT be in any bailout. Over my dead body.

Sapwolf on September 26, 2008 at 11:07 AM

This thing is beyond the capabilities of crazy Harry and San Fran Nan….I think Harry is suffering from some sort of mental or emotional breakdown…

d1carter on September 26, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Lets see, the market is unchanged, the world has not ended, a bad bill has been avoided and Terrye and crew continue to scream fire.

Agreeing to anything is their motto…”I don’t care what you do, just do something”. (If you don’t you are a right winger)

In the meantime I’m going to continue screaming fire in the movie theatre. I did it before–immigration bill–and I’ll do it again. Then I’ll claim the right wing conservatives lost the 2006 elections even though the right wing conservatives said the election was lost for one reason and one reason only–drunken spending by the repub congress. How’s your bridge doing?

But nooo, would they listen, do they even listen today, No. Lets spend 700 billion without checking or asking, funding ACORN and LaRaza along the way even while McCain himself admits the 2006 election was lost because moderate repubs spent just like dems. Welcome to Terrye’s world, a shill for everything and anything that a repub/dem government official tells her.

Put a cork in it and be happy that calmer heads are prevailing, a result of which a good bill might emerge.

And as to your convoluted memory about the immigration bill my hardliner friends and I did win. The bill was defeated and Border enforcement first is the majority position of the American people including McCain. Meanwhile the cheap smears you threw about here and at other sites won’t be forgotten. When you started with it again last night I was forced to type. Prior to that all my posts were about calming people down and discussing in some great detail the nuances of how the markets trade.

I leave screaming in theatres to people like you.

patrick neid on September 26, 2008 at 11:23 AM

patrick neid on September 26, 2008 at 11:23 AM

ditto…

CC

CapedConservative on September 26, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Rush Limbaugh gave a detailed description of what went down in the White House yesterday on his radio show. Apparently, Pelosi, Reid and the other Democrat Leaders deferred to Obama to lead the discussion. However, instead of acting in a bipartisan manner, Obama decided to rip the Republicans for their policy position on this matter. Obama was suppose to stick to support for the Democrat plan. Instead, he “got in their faces”.

Needless to say,the Republican Leaders led by Boehner responded vigorously to the attack. The meeting was totally derailed by Obama.

One of the items the GOP is having issue with is the amount of money going to ACORN. You might recall ACORN is the vote-fraud promoting group sponsored by Obama.

This meeting was suppose to demonstrate Obama’s leadership skills. I guess it does. Please spread the word, as we need to get the truth out.

Mutnodjmet on September 26, 2008 at 1:47 PM

“No more delays, comrades!” cried Napoleon when the footprints had been examined. “There is work to be done. This very morning we begin rebuilding the windmill, and we will build all through the winter, rain or shine. We will teach this miserable traitor that he cannot undo our work so easily. Remember, comrades, there must be no alteration in our plans: they shall be carried out to the day. Forward, comrades! Long live the windmill! Long
live Animal Farm!”

Bluecaper on September 26, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Yup patrick and CC…the world didn’t end like unseen and Terrye were making it out like it would and I’ve yet to see them make their presence known here in force since the markets opened to….basic stability.

THIS is why you don’t jump at the first thing offered to you. Simple as that. If the market survived today, they’ll survive hammering out a decent good plan.

CTDeLude on September 26, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Huh.

It’s 3:30pm NY time. No historic socialist intrusion from the State into the private sector, and yet: the Dow is up 60 points, oil is down $1.20 a barrel, and bonds are up 9/32nds. All in all a remarkably stable and uneventful day.

What happened to Armageddon? Waiting for next week?

Hey, but you’re right about one thing, Terrye – our retarded voters seem to believe that turning to the great economist Barry O’Bambi is the safe way home. Unbelievable.

Jaibones on September 26, 2008 at 3:32 PM

CTDeLude on September 26, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Should’ve read your comment first. Sorry to plagiarize.

Jaibones on September 26, 2008 at 3:33 PM

This meeting was suppose to demonstrate Obama’s leadership skills. I guess it does.

Mutnodjmet on September 26, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Jaibones on September 26, 2008 at 3:34 PM

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