Bailout deal collapses, Democrats try to blame McCain

posted at 8:07 pm on September 25, 2008 by Allahpundit

Down goes Frazier. I missed the report on Fox earlier but Ace says it sounds like the Dems are trying to shift the blame for it from the House GOP to Maverick. Fair or no? Let’s see. Dodd lands the first blow:

Republican presidential nominee John McCain was blamed for de-railing negotiations by blindsiding lawmakers with his support for an alternative plan.

The ‘very contentious’ meeting broke up after Republican leaders said they had to go back to their rank-and-file to discuss the new proposal…

After the hour-long White House meeting, [Dodd] said: ‘What has happened here is that we have spent seven straight days to find a rescue plan for the economy.

‘What this looked like was a rescue plan for John McCain. To be distracted for two to three hours by political theatre doesn’t help.’

Democrats said the Republicans were on board with the deal until Mr McCain intervened an injected presidential politics into the situation.

The only problem? According to Marc Ambinder, citing four independent sources, McCain didn’t say much of anything during the White House meeting let alone float any alternative plans. Boehner, apparently, brought up some of the House GOP’s ideas; the Dems claim they got the impression that McCain supported those ideas, but “they concede that he did not raise them directly.” Even Reid, ever sneering, admits McCain played no major role.

Which isn’t to say that he doesn’t, in fact, support the House GOP. Quoth The Hill from an article published earlier this afternoon:

[A] key Republican lawmaker stated that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) wants to explore new ideas, like loaning money to financial institutions or insuring the companies, rather than buying their toxic debt…

Rep. Spencer Bachus (Ala.), the ranking Republican on the House Financial Services Committee, attended the meeting at which some say a deal was reached. But he later issued a statement saying he wasn’t authorized to negotiate or approve any deals for House Republicans…

He added that McCain is interested in using loans or insurance rather than having the government purchase the toxic debts of Wall Street institutions.

“We would prefer a loan or supplying insurance,” Bachus told reporters. “These are the ideas Sen. McCain tried to maximize. He feels strongly we have to design a program where taxpayers won’t lose.”

Bachus, wearing a “McCain-Palin” lapel pin, said he’d talked to McCain on Wednesday night and had breakfast with McCain’s advisers Wednesday morning.

The insurance angle is at the core of the House GOP’s alternative plan. See here for the particulars. In essence, they want to scrap a taxpayer bailout, expand the feds’ power to insure mortgage-backed securities, and lift regulations to encourage private investment and rescue the financial industry that way. As for McCain, it sounds like he’s being coy because he’s not sure yet which way to break on this politically. Better hurry up: If that Hill article I linked is correct, they’re nowhere near the 100 Republican votes Pelosi wants before she’ll send the bill to the Senate and the markets, shall we say, won’t like that. Exit question: If they can’t get a deal done to save the farking economy, will next week bring us Congress’s first ever zero percent approval rating?

Update: For what it’s worth, here’s what HuffPo’s sources are telling them about the meeting:

Towards the end, McCain finally spoke up, mentioning a counter-proposal that had been offered by some conservative House Republicans, which would suspend the capital gains tax for two years and provide tax incentives to encourage firms that buy up bad debt. McCain did not discuss specifics of the plan, though, and was non-committal about supporting it.

Paulson, however, argued directly against the conservative proposal. “He said that he did not think it would work,” according to the source. At another point in the meeting, President Bush chimed in, “If money isn’t loosened, this sucker could go down” — and by sucker he meant economy…

Following the meeting, Democrats stayed talking in the Roosevelt room and Paulson approached them. Speaker Pelosi and Rep. Barney Frank shot back at Paulson that the real problem was with House Republicans, according to sources. Paulson replied, “I know, I know,” as he got down on one knee to lighten the mood. Pelosi joked back, “I didn’t know you were a Catholic.”

Update: An astute point from Baseball Crank. In all the frenzy over McCain, you know whose name you haven’t heard much of at all as mattering to this deal? Barack Obama’s.

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Deal died?

F YEAH.

MarcusBrody on September 25, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Brinksmanship.

At its finest.

lorien1973 on September 25, 2008 at 8:10 PM

If they can’t get a deal done to save the farking economy, will next week bring us Congress’s first ever zero percent approval rating?

I think they’ll get a point or 2 from crash and burn libertarians.

lorien1973 on September 25, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Oh Maverick. *swoons*

socalconservative on September 25, 2008 at 8:11 PM

If McCain did have anything to do with this, it only improves my opinion of him in this matter.

lowandslow on September 25, 2008 at 8:12 PM

One of the largest banks in the US, Washington Mutual, just failed, and is being taken over by the FDIC. JP Morgan Chase will assume ownership of the reconstituted bank. WaMu equity and debt holders reportedly wiped out.

JiangxiDad on September 25, 2008 at 8:12 PM

How can they blame a guy they told not to come?

Ohhhh- they’re Democrats………

drjohn on September 25, 2008 at 8:12 PM

If a deal isn’t done, the Democrats and their allies in the press will blame McCain.

Or try to.

And enough of it will stick to cost him greatly.

Smart – albeit completely cynical – politics by the Democrats.

McCain needs to counter with something.

SteveMG on September 25, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Exit answer: Close. And how about the people of the United States file a law suit against Barney Frank? Cause I want him ruined for what hes done.

Cardiganfox on September 25, 2008 at 8:13 PM

The alternative plan is being written, it will be done tonight, and with a few Dem consessions, it will be sent to Bush’s desk by Sunday.

I am about 95% sure this is going to happen. Remember the names Cantor, Hensarling, and Ryan.

Sakaki on September 25, 2008 at 8:13 PM

One of the largest banks in the US, Washington Mutual, just failed, and is being taken over by the FDIC. JP Morgan Chase will assume ownership of the reconstituted bank. WaMu equity and debt holders reportedly wiped out.

JiangxiDad on September 25, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Thaaaaaaat would be my bank. I’m so proud.

capitalist piglet on September 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM

I am about 95% sure this is going to happen. Remember the names Cantor, Hensarling, and Ryan.

Sakaki on September 25, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Yep.

JiangxiDad on September 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Exit question: If they can’t get a deal done to save the farking economy, will next week bring us Congress’s first ever zero percent approval rating?

Ha ha ha! Nooooo, because if the Dems go all-out to blame McCain, the MSM will jump right on that bus with ‘em.

fiatboomer on September 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM

If they can’t get a deal done to save the farking economy, will next week bring us Congress’s first ever zero percent approval rating?

I think they’ll get a point or 2 from crash and burn libertarians.

lorien1973 on September 25, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Are you hinting that if we’re going to collapse, some Libertarians would say, let’s at least collapse with capitalism and free markets intact? OK, I’ll play devil’s advocate — what’s wrong with that logic?

LastRick on September 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Dodd is just making the argument that McCain has a lot of influence and power within the Republican rank and file–how is that bad?

m064404 on September 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Are the wheels coming off O-Bambi’s little red wagon? I hope so. The alternative sounds good, from what’s been said here.

AubieJon on September 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Can anybody reliably explain to me why if the government is capable of “buying” the “toxic debt,” why can’t other entities do the same? Why does it have to be the government? I read Dafyyd ab Hugh’s primer and I still don’t really understand what is stopping companies from holding these mortgages. They’re not ALL in default, right? Not remotely all. Why can’t they pick the funds apart back into basic mortgages again?

I know nothing of finance. Obviously.

Anwyn on September 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM

If there’s no deal this evening – or the appearance of one close to being achieved – the market will drop 1000 points tomorrow.

As much as I loathe it, some sort of bailout is necessary.

Otherwise, panic will spread. Animal spirits are not a pretty thing when humans are engaged in them.

SteveMG on September 25, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Can anybody reliably explain to me why if the government is capable of “buying” the “toxic debt,” why can’t other entities do the same?

Nobody wants them. Nobody knows what they’re worth. Nobody has the capital to risk buying them.

At least in large enough amounts to do any good.

SteveMG on September 25, 2008 at 8:17 PM

I’m with Ace on this.

Spirit of 1776 on September 25, 2008 at 8:17 PM

If a deal isn’t done, the Democrats and their allies in the press will blame McCain.

Or try to.

And enough of it will stick to cost him greatly.

Smart – albeit completely cynical – politics by the Democrats.

McCain needs to counter with something.

SteveMG on September 25, 2008 at 8:12 PM

That something is a plan of his own. And he will deliver the republicans. The whole point of the WH meeting was to blow everything up. McCain didn’t need to say a word. This is how the maverick operates.

johnt on September 25, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Let it drop 1000.

Cardiganfox on September 25, 2008 at 8:17 PM

If there’s no deal this evening – or the appearance of one close to being achieved – the market will drop 1000 points tomorrow.

Yup. Tomorrow is going to be a bad day for the markets.

Slublog on September 25, 2008 at 8:17 PM

So, when are we going to start hammering the dems on this crisis? A mysterious 527 group would be great right about now while Maverick is officially no campaigning…

ninjapirate on September 25, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Steny Hoyer, on CNN just after coming out of meeting spoke to Obama saying alot, but was pointed in saying that McCain spoke “little and in generalities”. It was during an interview with the Wolfman.

What a dickwad Dodd is.

Shivas Irons on September 25, 2008 at 8:18 PM

johnt on September 25, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Nailed it.

Cardiganfox on September 25, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Maverick at his best!

jencab on September 25, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Hey kids, want proof that the polls are a bunch of crap.

Read this from Zogby, and ask yourself: What do they know that they’re NOT telling us?

Pollster says election could end in landslide

John Zogby, president of Zogby International, told a group of businesspeople today that it’s up to Democratic Sen. Barack Obama to convince voters to go with him. If he’s not successful, the country will likely vote for “a comfortable old shoe”, that being Republican Sen. John McCain

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm…………

FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Can anybody reliably explain to me why if the government is capable of “buying” the “toxic debt,” why can’t other entities do the same? Why does it have to be the government? I read Dafyyd ab Hugh’s primer and I still don’t really understand what is stopping companies from holding these mortgages. They’re not ALL in default, right? Not remotely all. Why can’t they pick the funds apart back into basic mortgages again?

I know nothing of finance. Obviously.

Anwyn on September 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM

I had the same thought.

pugwriter on September 25, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Gawd forbid that someone actually has an idea, other than spending 700 billion of OUR money.

HornetSting on September 25, 2008 at 8:18 PM

The Democrats are in a state of absolute panic. It appears as though they never expected to be called upon to exercise good judgment and make courageous decisions. They have no plan; they cannot think; and, I suspect they are most likely wetting and soiling themselves en masse. This bunch of fools would generate sustained painful laughter if they weren’t so damn dangerous.

rplat on September 25, 2008 at 8:18 PM

BTW, we need to add one more thing to the house plan…

* Demo jerks who got multi-hundred thousand loans at nickel rates, including Dodd, Raines, Johnson and others, are called in to pay back full amounts at once.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2090629/posts

If they’re going to cap ceo pay then they need to repay what they got through lobbiests…

ninjapirate on September 25, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Not about your ignorance of finance, which couldn’t possibly surpass mine.

pugwriter on September 25, 2008 at 8:19 PM

This will backfire on the Dems. Bigtime. It will be quite obvious to the electorate that the Dems are playing presidential politics on the most sophmoric level when the stakes are at their highest for our economy. There will be a backlash against the democrats from the top of the ticket to the bottom.

t.ferg on September 25, 2008 at 8:19 PM

If there’s no deal this evening – the market will drop 1000 points tomorrow.

As much as I loathe it, some sort of bailout is necessary.

Otherwise, panic will spread.

SteveMG on September 25, 2008 at 8:15 PM

I’ll repeat: Why a bailout? So what if the market drops 1000 and panic sets in.

LastRick on September 25, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Damn, guys, if WaMu has gone belly up it’s bad. There will be a bank run tomorrow and there isn’t enough in the FDIC fund to cover it all. This is why something had to be done tonight. I’ve been telling you all week. I expect GMAC to declare bankruptcy tomorrow too.

I have all my money in Wachovia and I’m probably going to take it out tomorrow. I don’t think there is a bank that is safe right now and the FDIC is broke.

rockmom on September 25, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Yuval Levin’s source begs to differ about McCain’s role in the meeting.

Terrie on September 25, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Here’s the 1-2 punch

1. 527 group hammering dems on this issue
2. Poison pill which requires repaying all the money gotten from lobbyists to the treasury…

Booyahh…

ninjapirate on September 25, 2008 at 8:21 PM

Let it drop 1000.

Right. And when the people see their retirement accounts losing 50% and more, who will they vote for?

So, we can enact a bailout or risk a market crash which will lead to the left winning the whole thing and then they’ll nationalize everything.

I’ll choose (a) bailout.

SteveMG on September 25, 2008 at 8:21 PM

The democrats got outflanked tonight. McCain put the pressure and Bush set the X, the dems stepped on it and got destroyed.

Cardiganfox on September 25, 2008 at 8:21 PM

Could this be the issue that returns a congressional majority to the GOP?

pugwriter on September 25, 2008 at 8:22 PM

The dems just realized that the stock market will loose 5% tomorrow and it will appear evident that McCains decision to Halt his campain was the right decision. Leaving “Blackberry Obama” looking a little foolish for suggesting to “Call me if you need me”. When people loose 5% of their retirement tomorrow, the public will turn and beg for Government Salvation. If McCain can help, he will have Thrown another Hail Mary Completion.

Amadeus on September 25, 2008 at 8:22 PM

I’ll repeat: Why a bailout? So what if the market drops 1000 and panic sets in.

Because that’s a really bad thing, perhaps?

The worst possible thing is panic.

Slublog on September 25, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Heh, pugwriter, thanks, gotcha.

Nobody wants them. Nobody knows what they’re worth. Nobody has the capital to risk buying them.

At least in large enough amounts to do any good.

SteveMG on September 25, 2008 at 8:17 PM

SteveMG–what happens if the companies just keep holding them, reorg under some bankruptcy law or other, keep a skeleton crew on, and hold the funds until the red mist begins to clear?

Yes, I am really that ignorant. I have never understood how purely financial markets work.

Anwyn on September 25, 2008 at 8:23 PM

I’ll repeat: Why a bailout? So what if the market drops 1000 and panic sets in.

It’s called a panic. People take their money out of banks/financial institutions and put it in gold or in their mattresses.

No money to lend. No money for investment. No money for businesses. Or retirement funds.

Major contraction of the economy. People being laid off.

A major recession. If not depression.

SteveMG on September 25, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Pull your panties back up…

Most of America is anxiously awaiting the season premier of Survivor. Most of them don’t even have a CLUE of what is happening.

HornetSting on September 25, 2008 at 8:24 PM

From Politico:

Though he said McCain’s presence would be unhelpful, he did say, getting a dig in at McCain’s running mate, that there “were times when I was ready to suggest that, when we got to some of the more complicated issues about how do you price these sophisticated instruments, that we ask him to make Sarah Palin available to give us her expertise.”

It’s good to see Frank taking this so seriously.

Slublog on September 25, 2008 at 8:24 PM

McCain should just go out and call for the resignations of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank…

ninjapirate on September 25, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Bush may have to order the NYSE and NASDAQ to close tomorrow. This is serious shit now. The public will panic if the Dow drops 1000 points. They closed after 9/11 and this is pretty damn close to another 9/11 if you ask me.

rockmom on September 25, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Blame it on McCain? Isn’t that a sure way to get him to start naming names like say – Dodd, Frank and donations?

aikidoka on September 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM

JiangxiDad on September 25, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Its deposits and branches are being taken over by JP Morgan Chase after transaction talks with federal regulators. It’s being taken over without taking a hit to the FDIC accounts.

amerpundit on September 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM

SteveMG–what happens if the companies just keep holding them, reorg under some bankruptcy law or other, keep a skeleton crew on, and hold the funds until the red mist begins to clear?

As I understand it, everything is frozen. No one wants to loan to each other. None of these institutions have the capital to run things or to loan to others.

Credit freezes up and businesses have to lay off workers and scale down operations.

The real scare is unemployment as companies have to scale back their business operations.

SteveMG on September 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM

I still think McCain/Lieberman/Graham are working on a Gang of 10-14-Whatever compromise to incorporate some of Boehner’s House elements. Maybe the plan will be announced at 3:00am.

Terrie on September 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM

I’m not pulling any money out of any bank, not with deposits FDIC’d to $10K.

I guess this is what happens when everything depends on people who have both a) a lot less and b) a lot more money than I do.

Anwyn on September 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM

I think Pence and Cantor are great. The same for Hensarling and Ryan.

They can attempt to slime McCain on this all they want, but first impressions are important and Obama came out on the losing side of this. McCain appears to be putting his mantra of “Country First” into action. And as Hillary Clinton said, “All Senator Obama has is a speech.”

In fact I believe that if they try to tar and feather McCain it will backfire on them. These Dems have been rushing to the cameras all day, and reporting there is a deal and sliming McCain with little regard for how the American people view this issue and McCain’s actions. Then we hear the accurate story and there is not a deal reached. They look political and the GOP looks pro-active and working on behalf of the people.

Hey Sakaki, is there going to be any removal of Dodd and Frank from any of this? How about punishment? What do you think is the devil in the details?

freeus on September 25, 2008 at 8:26 PM

I’ll repeat: Why a bailout? So what if the market drops 1000 and panic sets in.

As SteveMG says, it’s called panic. It can spark runs on the bank, people to pull their money out, foreign investors to pull out, and possibly lead to a depression.

amerpundit on September 25, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Glad I’m out of the market. should have went short today. I can see a 5% drop tommorrow and another 25% drop on black monday if no deal is reached. This works for REP I think but it needs to be painted that the dems want socialsim. The insurance deal and newt deals are both good. All the markets care about is getting it done they could really care what deal gets done at this point.

Monday if not deal I would suggest everyone go out and charge to their max limit since credit cards will cease to function come tues and the gov will bail you out.

unseen on September 25, 2008 at 8:27 PM

How SICK is it that the dems have Frank and Dodd out there as the pointmen on this? It’s like having Ted Bundy helping to look for the bodies!

Pass the bailout, but in the same bill have:
a)an end to CRA loans
b)no car loan/student loan payoffs
c)tax cuts for the rich
Just kidding about c!

ckdexterhaven on September 25, 2008 at 8:27 PM

As I understand it, everything is frozen. No one wants to loan to each other. None of these institutions have the capital to run things or to loan to others.

Okay, so …. if the companies themselves had little cash but everybody actually left their money in their bank, …

Forget it, I must be talking stupid here. I guess I find it difficult to believe that next week my **bank** could announce that it has lost all my money, because I’m so ignorant of finance that I forget that money’s invested somewhere even if I personally did not choose the investments. Bleargh.

Anwyn on September 25, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Though he said McCain’s presence would be unhelpful, he did say, getting a dig in at McCain’s running mate, that there “were times when I was ready to suggest that, when we got to some of the more complicated issues about how do you price these sophisticated instruments, that we ask him to make Sarah Palin available to give us her expertise.”

Come McCain, call for the return the lobbiest money to the treasury poison pill… embarrass this jackass… he must go down or the repubs deserve to lose

ninjapirate on September 25, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Damn, guys, if WaMu has gone belly up it’s bad. There will be a bank run tomorrow and there isn’t enough in the FDIC fund to cover it all. This is why something had to be done tonight. I’ve been telling you all week. I expect GMAC to declare bankruptcy tomorrow too.

I have all my money in Wachovia and I’m probably going to take it out tomorrow. I don’t think there is a bank that is safe right now and the FDIC is broke.

rockmom on September 25, 2008 at 8:20 PM

I don’t think that’s good advice. The FDIC can get emergency funding from the treasury in unlimited amounts.

JiangxiDad on September 25, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Glad I’m out of the market. should have went short today. I can see a 5% drop tommorrow and another 25% drop on black monday if no deal is reached.

Can the market drop that far in a single day? I thought there were systems put in place to shut down trading before that happened again.

Slublog on September 25, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Can anybody reliably explain to me why if the government is capable of “buying” the “toxic debt,” why can’t other entities do the same? Why does it have to be the government?

Why should the government be purchasing bad loans? That seems like bad stewardship to me. Let government deal with the consequences of greedy deadbeats and irresponsible companies but don’t bail them out! Loans and insurance seems like a far better idea to me than the giveaway that was being touted earlier this week.

highhopes on September 25, 2008 at 8:29 PM

It’s good to see Frank taking this so seriously.

Slublog on September 25, 2008 at 8:24 PM

If McCain doesn’t swat this fat bastard with some hard hitting ads then Maverick deserves to lose.
Elmer Fudgepacker has been all over the TV today bloviating as if he is totally innocent and unaware of the cause of this mess.

Punch this Fat Queen NOW Maverick.

FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 8:29 PM

If Barney Frank really said that then Boehner should demand his removal from these talks immediately. This is no time to be an asshole.

Barney is pissed because he thought he had gotten all of his “affordable housing” goodies in the bill. Fannie and Freddie are broke and won’t be coming through with the funds that he put in the housing bill in July. They have to find the money to pay off ACORN for helping them steal the election.

rockmom on September 25, 2008 at 8:29 PM

C’mon GOP, House Senate and McCain. Get out there. Release some statements, take the narrative, don’t let them say this is McCain’s fault; especially if that loud mouth Franks is saying it. Leak some details. Show how partisan the Dems are. Show how they were against any private pro growth aspect of the bill. DON’T BE SILENT!

Weight of Glory on September 25, 2008 at 8:30 PM

I kind of overdid my Visa this month- how do I go about getting it attached to the bailout?

anniekc on September 25, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Who is guilty?

1. Politicians who Blocked reforms in 2005(Co-Sponsored by McCain)

2. then again in 2007.

3. Politicians that did nothing after Greenspan warned them

4. predatory lenders pushing off Ninja(No Income No Asset) loans to poor people to make commission for themselves.

5. Fannie May and Freddie Mac for buying up the Ninja(No Income No Asset) Loans knowing that they were DOA Loans.(Using the Government and taxpayer as a back stop, also these companies were caught cooking the books)

6. The people going out and getting suckered into the Ninja(No Income No Asset loans) personal responsibility needs to come into this somewhere, if you sign a contract, you owe money, IF you don’t have a job, income or assets maybe you shouldn’t be asking for a home loan..

7. The President and the Treasury for not perusing this faster and in a more aggressive style even though they did try and it was filibustered a tougher a more dire tone should have been taken, this should have been solved in 2005.

——————

The President did try to fix this, If he would have come out and said it was ANY worse, the Democrats would have said that ti was a “political trick” see there really was no way for the Partisan Democrats to get over their lust for power in 2005, the Democrats Blocked the “Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005″ along Party lines to gain power in 2006..

The Democrats Promised that IF they gained Power that they would Fix all the problems.. They Got the Power.. They did NOT fix the problems..

Chakra Hammer on September 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM

How SICK is it that the dems have Frank and Dodd out there as the pointmen on this? It’s like having Ted Bundy helping to look for the bodies!

Considering Fannie Mae gave Dodd thousands and employed Frank’s ex-boyfriend when he wasn’t an ex; these criminals shouldn’t have anything to do with this issue let alone be the Dems point critters.

highhopes on September 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM

Dodd should be in leg irons, not spewing partisan lies to covering his own guilty ass!

dmann on September 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM

I’m not pulling any money out of any bank, not with deposits FDIC’d to $10K.

So, let me get this straight, if I have more than $10,000 in my bank account, do I need to spread that around to other banks that are FDIC insured banks? I thought banks insured individual accounts up to $100,000?

Rockmom? SOS?

freeus on September 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Pwnage on Dems.

The Blame Game masters.

Hening on September 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM

As SteveMG says, it’s called panic. It can spark runs on the bank, people to pull their money out, foreign investors to pull out, and possibly lead to a depression.

amerpundit on September 25, 2008 at 8:27 PM

I’ve seen this answer a few times now as the reason to enact a bailout. Fair enough. But it still begs the question — if averting a depression comes at the cost of nationalizing the banking industry, is it worth it?

(And the whole idea that you have to do it so that the Democrats don’t win in November is bull. It’s the same playing politics you accuse the left of. You deal with this issue the right way, even if it damns your chances of winning in November. You do what’s right.)

LastRick on September 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM

McCain can easily gain a big advantage from this.

I work with many Democrats of the non-moonbat, blue collar variety. They had no idea that the Community Redevelopment Act existed, or that it required banks to make risky loans. When I showed them the NYT article from ’99 outlining the expanded lending requirements, they were FURIOUS. When I pointed out that Barney Frank wants some of the money set aside for new loans to people who can’t pay them back, they were APOPLEXIC!

These are the folks McCain needs to win. All he needs to do is issue a statement blaming leading Democrats for poisoning the well by insisting on guaranteeing new mortgages to those who didn’t pay back the last ones.

Most people understand that bad mortgages are behind this mess… most just don’t know the feds are the ones who forced the loans to be made.

Make that clear, and the tide will turn. Show that the Dems want it to continue, and it will be a rout.

stevieray on September 25, 2008 at 8:33 PM

;

Barack Obama: NOT READY TO LEAD

I’m ORIGINAL PECHANGA and I approved this message

originalpechanga on September 25, 2008 at 8:33 PM

freeus on September 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM

A typo

JiangxiDad on September 25, 2008 at 8:34 PM

How SICK is it that the dems have Frank and Dodd out there as the pointmen on this? It’s like having Ted Bundy helping to look for the bodies!

Why wouldn’t they?

They convinced the public that the Iraq War was based on Bush’s lies. After that master-stroke of treasonous vile-filled scumbag bullsh!t;

they feel like they can get away with anything.

FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 8:34 PM

rockmom on September 25, 2008 at 8:20 PM

We don’t care about your finances, and don’t tell us about your future transactions.

Chakra Hammer on September 25, 2008 at 8:34 PM

WaMu’s takeover doesn’t involve FDIC funds.

While the exact structure of the transaction wasn’t immediately known, J.P. Morgan is expected to acquire Washington Mutual’s deposits and branches, as well as other operations. The deal isn’t expected to result in any hit to the bank-insurance fund, according to a person familiar with the arrangement. But it’s likely that another arm of government would have to pick up the tab. Some analysts have worried that a WaMu failure could cost more than $20 billion.

Federal regulators have been heavily involved in orchestrating the transaction, which comes as WaMu grapples with its bad mortgage loans. Regulators were hoping to fend off a collapse of WaMu, which, with more than $300 billion in assets, would mark by far the largest banking failure in U.S. history.

The exact structure of J.P. Morgan’s acquisition of WaMu’s deposits wasn’t immediately known, except that the New York bank, which has long coveted WaMu as a way to secure a footprint on the West Coast, will assume most of the thrift’s deposits and branches, as well as some other operations.

Unlike many of the 12 bank failures that the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. has overseen this year, the J.P. Morgan-WaMu transaction isn’t expected to impact the agency’s national deposit-insurance fund. It wasn’t immediately clear how the transaction would be structured to avoid the insurance fund taking a hit.

amerpundit on September 25, 2008 at 8:34 PM

100,000…not 10,000. FDIC insured.

HornetSting on September 25, 2008 at 8:35 PM

many of us will recall that the Chrysler ‘bailout’ wasn’t a bailout either. it was a loan, with interest, that allowed Iacocca to invest in new models (k car / mini van) and that loans was repaid, with interest 7 years early.

the problem with just buying the junk loans is this: who’s to say what a junk loan is, and whose to say which financial instituions are premitted to sell their junk to the gov’t? do all failed loans qualify to be bought?

making this program a loan / insurance deal makes a great deal more sense and by deffinition implies that a debt is being created that must be repaid.

3 cheers for the house repubs and senator mccain.

DrW on September 25, 2008 at 8:35 PM

JiangxiDad on September 25, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Ummm…. just googled Wamu and didn’t see anything….

I have investments thru Wamu and now I have a sick feeling in my stomach…

tru2tx on September 25, 2008 at 8:35 PM

of course they’d try to blame McCain.

with a paper trail a mile long, clip after clip after clip, shady deals, and political corectness to answer for, the left has no choice but to try to have America focus on a lie rather than the truth – they caused this, in large part.

madmonkphotog on September 25, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Remember the names Cantor, Hensarling, and Ryan.

Is that Paul Ryan from Wisconsin? Damn good guy: smart and solid. I’d like to see him go far.

PackerBronco on September 25, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Hopeless/Changeless has be yapping about
photo-ops!

And, veddy interesting, i said a few days
back,how the Liberals were trying to
figure out how to blame this on the
Republicans!!

Note to Democrats,its Dodd and his partner
in crime,Barney(vote liberal and get a free
house)gavel banging Frank!!!

As in Stupid,and Stupider!

Might as well add Obama’s buddys too,
and that makes a trifecta,as in
Stupidist!!!Ugh!

canopfor on September 25, 2008 at 8:37 PM

if averting a depression comes at the cost of nationalizing the banking industry, is it worth it?

Er, 30-50 million+ American unemployed and living off the dole? Think of the disruption. The crime. Hunger. Homelessness. Incredibly scary. Not to mention that the entire world’s economy would collapse as well.

The costs for that make the costs for this bailout look like the cost of a child’s birthday party.

Some would say we have other options, of course.

But if the choice is (a) depression or (b) $750 billion bailout, I choose (b) every time. Not even close.

SteveMG on September 25, 2008 at 8:37 PM

I love the way Bush put a hook in Obama’s jaw and dragged him back to Washington.

Maxx on September 25, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Sorry, it is $100,000.

http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/Deposits/insured/basics.html

Anwyn on September 25, 2008 at 8:38 PM

President Bush chimed in, “If money isn’t loosened, this sucker could go down” — and by sucker he meant economy…

Maybe I missed something, but wasn’t it all the loosey goosey fiat money that got us into this bubble ponzi apocalyptic pickle? So the solution is, an avalanche of the hair-of-the-dog that bit yah?

MB4 on September 25, 2008 at 8:38 PM

The truth is a series of soundbites….MSNBC couldn’t wait to put Chris Dodd on to blame McCain and the Repubs.
Mission er, they got their bite.

HornetSting on September 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM

JiangxiDad on September 25, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Ummm…. just googled Wamu and didn’t see anything….

I have investments thru Wamu and now I have a sick feeling in my stomach…

tru2tx on September 25, 2008 at 8:35 PM

Click the news tab. It’s all over the place.

They’re changing their “Whoo Hoo!” campaign to “Oh noes!!!” ; )

(It’ll be fine. I’m a WaMu customer too.)

capitalist piglet on September 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Pull your panties back up…

Most of America is anxiously awaiting the season premier of Survivor. Most of them don’t even have a CLUE of what is happening.

HornetSting on September 25, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Hmmmm. Shows interest in location of panties

Good advice in a very strange context…….but what happens when they get a clue, Sting? Mass indifference can turn to mass panic REAL QUICK

Janos Hunyadi on September 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Punch this Fat Queen NOW Maverick.

FiveWays on September 25, 2008 at 8:29 PM

dude, you must chill. that’s uncalled for.

DrW on September 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Anwyn @ 8:14

Someone asked Warren Buffett about this yesterday. I, too, am woefully ignorant about economics so I hope someone will correct me if I misunderstood his answer. But what I took away from it was that the problem is timing. Private investors will eventually step in — but the operative word here, of course, is ‘eventually’. They’ll wait for the situation to clarify itself, for some benchmarks of ‘true value’ to assert themselves, for things to slide to the point that it’s cheap pickings, etc. By that time, the rest of us may have been swallowed up by the economic Black Hole.

grits on September 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM

gavel banging Frank

It isn’t gavels that Frank bangs but you’re getting warm.

highhopes on September 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM

if averting a depression comes at the cost of nationalizing the banking industry, is it worth it?

In the middle of two wars when millions of people could lose their jobs and end up homeless, if not spark a worldwide economic collapse? Potentially.

amerpundit on September 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Update: An astute point from Baseball Crank. In all the frenzy over McCain, you know whose name you haven’t heard much of at all as mattering to this deal? Barack Obama’s.

Who, the junior Senator from Illinois? No shit! Really? That’s … that’s shocking.

apollyonbob on September 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM

tru2tx on September 25, 2008 at 8:35 PM

JP Morgan bought their assets. You’ll be fine. Unless we get no deal and the economy goes to hell.

phronesis on September 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM

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