Open thread: Bush pitches the Paulson plan to America; Update: Paulson reaches deal with Democrats?
posted at 8:38 pm on September 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET all across the dial. Here’s your thread to sound off. Video later is possible but unlikely unless he really ratchets up the doomsday rhetoric and I can’t resist. While you wait, a tidbit that’s just crossing the wires. Did Dubya do his pal McCain a solid by dragging Obama to D.C.?
With extraordinary stakes on the line, President Bush has invited both presidential candidates and the leaders of the House and Senate to the White House on Thursday in hopes of securing a bill to rescue the economy.
Bush took the unusual step Wednesday night of calling Democratic Sen. Barack Obama directly to invite him to the meeting, White House press secretary Dana Perino said. An Obama spokesman said the senator would attend. The White House has also invited Republican Sen. John McCain.
Update: Here’s the joint McCain/Obama statement on the need to come together in this trying time in the spirit of etc etc etc.
Update: A “fragile” deal has been struck with the Democrats at least. Durbin expects a bill as early as tomorrow but debate through the weekend; where that leaves McCain vis-a-vis Friday night is anyone’s guess.
Senators described a very somber, serious meeting, with Paulson describing the risk of inaction and working hard to sell the plan to skeptical Democrats during the closed-door caucus meeting. Paulson said unemployment rates could approach 10 percent if the plan was not adopted, senators said, although he did indicate possible receptiveness to the idea of implementing it in stages. Such a plan, Paulson told senators, has worked in countries like Japan, where financial rescue plans were done in stages.
“He talked about the risks in the markets, the risk of the financial system locking up, the risk of companies not being able to borrow money, the risk of major firms failing, the risk of a substantial increase in unemployment,” said Conrad.
Update: Is Jim Johnson going to help prep The One before his meeting with Bush? He’s still advising the campaign, apparently.
Update: The GOP is balking and the Dems won’t jump alone:
Frank added that he believes Pelosi has a minimum threshold of Republican votes necessary to bring the bill forward, but he said he did not know what that number was.
“They’re not even close to having enough votes,” said Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.), a freshman facing a tough reelection. “This has to be bipartisan.”
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Where is Ross Perot these days? I think the audience would benefit from some useful pictures and charts.
cannonball on September 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Comprehensive socialist reform, just doing the reConstitionalizing the Soviets couldn’t do.
Speakup on September 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Smoke, Mirrors, and Corruption! Period.
AnthonyK on September 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM
‘found themselves saddled’ that’s a good one
xyzzy on September 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Why is the president’s left ear larger than his right?
cannonball on September 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Bush sounds like he’s rushing thru this speech — like he’s trying to get it over with as soon as possible.
Purple Fury on September 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Is Bush saying that foreign investors are to blame? It’s not the Democrats and others within our own government, it’s not shady CEO’s of Fanny Mae or Freddie Mac, it’s those damn foreigners?
Bush, you’re honesty is lacking.
FloatingRock on September 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Hey Bush and Congress – - WHY DON’T YOU FIX THE LAWS THAT ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE???????????????
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a classic example of why I no longer have any hair… :)
pullingmyhairout on September 24, 2008 at 9:08 PM
I have to admit, he’s not pointing any fingers here.
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 9:08 PM
I will not be participating.
RushBaby on September 24, 2008 at 9:08 PM
“The market is not functioning properly”
I don’t think he understands this.
WisCon on September 24, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Translation: We’re already well on our way to fixing things so any “help” McCain thinks he can provide (and get credit for) is meaningless.
powerpro on September 24, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Oooo scare them ‘in your community’
xyzzy on September 24, 2008 at 9:08 PM
He looks 10 years older today.
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 9:08 PM
I have no idea. I just know that every time I see it, it gives me the willies! {shudders}
IrishGirl17 on September 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Buy Now.[taxpayers] Pay Later!
AnthonyK on September 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
If banks would fail the FDIC would “bail” us out.
LevStrauss on September 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
He very rarely does.
Spirit of 1776 on September 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
That made me laugh. I’d forgotten about Ross and his charts.
tehd on September 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Since its open thread,now that McCain has mentioned
possible suspension of the debate:
In listening to late night call in radio shows,Liberals
have been on point for a few months,Moonbats have said,
1-President Bush will postpone the election,in case of a
emergency,like an attack!!
2- That somehow,a fabricated event,will emerge to postpone
the election like an attack!
The Liberals are already setting up all the loony nutcases
of excuses when Hopey loses!
And now McCain talks about shelving the debate with Obama,
I can’t wait for the next two days,as the op-ed conspiracy
moonbat loons go on a we told you so tirade of this crap!!
canopfor on September 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Bush is full of ****. Stop the Bailout. McCain needs to walk into the well of the Senate and shout loudly “NO NO NO”.
bill30097 on September 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
He has his priorities straight- someone at ABC is hanging upside-down waiting to do a live special.
Valiant on September 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
wohooooo, named them both! (dances)
Cardiganfox on September 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Fear! FEAR FINANCIAL FAILURE!!!
Bah. You just can’t convince me that any amount of money the Feds throw at this thing is going to prevent the inevitable.
Pilgrim on September 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Bush owned 0bama.
p0s3r on September 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
It’ll cost us 1.5 TRILLION dollars. MARK MY WORDS.
pullingmyhairout on September 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Obama – get your butt to DC pronto.
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM
‘Excesses on Wall Street’
xyzzy on September 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Farms run on credit.
We’d be screwed…right?
Or would we have state farms?
yikes
tehd on September 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM
President Bush has called McCain and Hopey to the
White House carpet,veddy,veddy interesting,me thinks!
canopfor on September 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM
I was thinking that earlier today.
IrishGirl17 on September 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Yeah what the hell, nobody wants to buy worthless paper for higher than market value? Where are we going to find someone stupid enough to buy this crap at above market value? (Looks over at taxpayer and grins.)
LevStrauss on September 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Fire Cox.
Leash Paulson.
Dump (college professor) Bernanke.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM
What the hell is with the creaky sounds?
Enoxo on September 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Enjoy this folks. As much as George is triangulating here, he’s still a decent man and this is one of the last chances you’ll have to see a Republican President address the nation for awhile.
fiatboomer on September 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM
What, no mention to how much the American Tax Payer has to pay for illegal aliens who were given loans with no money down by banks spurred on by La Raza………….?
Seven Percent Solution on September 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Maybe some of you can organize a robot-controlled head-on train collision instead of stopping this bailout, you know, to get the satisfaction of seeing something crash and burn out of your system.
RBMN on September 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Obama is frantically trying to figure out how he can be pres
identPianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 9:12 PM
He must be scratching the mike base, annoying
flyboy777 on September 24, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Drop corporate tax rate.
Drop capital gains rate.
Capital will flow into the economy like urine in a Wrigley Field trough.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I don’t think we have a choice. We are shit out of luck, my friend. I’m not willing to embrace it yet either, but I think it is solidly in our future. Like I said earlier, this is the beginning of the end of the United States as we know and love it.
pullingmyhairout on September 24, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Uh, are we November 5 already?
terryannonline on September 24, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Sounds like Wimpy…a Hamburger today for payment tomorrow…
Pilgrim on September 24, 2008 at 9:12 PM
This is not the time to confuse the issue with facts.
/sarc
IrishGirl17 on September 24, 2008 at 9:12 PM
It’s a layaway plan… yeah that’s the ticket.
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I’ll take the over.
fossten on September 24, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Glad to see how an Adult in charge,and
thank gawd its a Republican!
canopfor on September 24, 2008 at 9:13 PM
It sound like W’s stomach growling. :)
AnthonyK on September 24, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Good for America.
The Democrats, including Barney Frank bear a lot of the responsibility.
Let’s start with Obama and Dodd giving ALL the donations they’ve received BACK to the treasury to help PAY for this
originalpechanga on September 24, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Say NO to the Paulson plan. Make a new one, with regulations, restrictions, oversight, transparency, and NO EARMARKS for those responsible.
Democrats do not need billions in earmarks for their cronies. This should not cost a trillion dollars.
Enoxo on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
“Corruption and abuse,” by democRATS (I would add).
jencab on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
How long before he says “make no mistake”
cannonball on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Please remember to invest in ammunition.
mad saint jack on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Summing up the speech:
Hey, you people that pay your bills. BOHICA.
lorien1973 on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
What the hell is that noise in the background on the microphone?
lsutiger on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
pullingmyhairout on September 24, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I like your “name” because I am pulling my hair out too.
What a freaking mess this is.
tru2tx on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
I.CAN’T.WATCH.
This all makes me sad.
SouthernGent on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Nope. $2 trillion……They trying to dump credit card debt, car loans, student loans into the bailout.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Partisan struggles,like Reid,Pelosi,Wexlar!
canopfor on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
I’ve been furious at Dubya before – as have we all – but I’m going to miss him.
fiatboomer on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
This is kind of weird and creepy- I think Bush checked out months ago
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Is that indexed for [hyper]inflation?
LevStrauss on September 24, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Bull hockey. It seems alot of people forget that it’s the People that allow these bozos in DC to toss money around like they are hoping to do this time. When the economy tanks we will have the opportunity to explode again. Clean out this mess and we can sorta start over.
I have all kinds of faith in the ability of the American People to fix anything our beloved Federal Government can create.
Pilgrim on September 24, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Mmmmm. Can’t get enough Johnson.
Seixon on September 24, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I think he did he did a pretty good job presenting a case for a government rescue. I think this is a week too late; but I think if you watch this you would probably have a better idea on what really happened. The #1 goal is the grow the economy and we need to take steps at doing just that.
tdavisjr on September 24, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Dodd must be removed from his chairmanship. We need someone with clean hands on this one.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Call me crazy, but I am going over to CNBC to see if I need to transfer all of my 401K into ’safe’ money…
lsutiger on September 24, 2008 at 9:16 PM
I know that I may regret this…but was does BOHICA stand for?
IrishGirl17 on September 24, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Amen but how do you jibe growing the economy with a Government spending spree on debt that nobody else wants?
Pilgrim on September 24, 2008 at 9:16 PM
When it Raines, it poors.
Terrie on September 24, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Bend over here it comes again!
hawkdriver on September 24, 2008 at 9:17 PM
I personally don’t know anybody who has had their home foreclosed on…..do you?
DfDeportation on September 24, 2008 at 9:17 PM
That’s how the alien parasite attached to the back of his neck communicates with him.
FloatingRock on September 24, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Stock up on Vaseline.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Yes and Yes and Yes.
RushBaby on September 24, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Thanks Hawk!
IrishGirl17 on September 24, 2008 at 9:18 PM
FIFY
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 9:18 PM
OH good luck getting rid of Dodd! Pelosi wouldn’t get rid of Rangle! She’s an awful partisan.
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 9:18 PM
You mean $2 trillion Net? They are using the money to buy assets that are currently throwing off revenue. Your number assumes that they don’t collect on any of the mortgages.
dedalus on September 24, 2008 at 9:18 PM
That explains so much.
Enoxo on September 24, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Roger that. AND…I would consider supporting the bill if language was included stating that Oversight committee members may NOT take ANY kind of contribution from the industry they oversee. There is a reason why nothing happened on the Fannie\Freddie boondoggles in 2003 and 2005…about 105,000 reasons and they can all be found in Senator Dodd’s pocket.
Pilgrim on September 24, 2008 at 9:18 PM
The next President will have to stop the spending spree and we have a pretty good idea who has the capacity to do that.
tdavisjr on September 24, 2008 at 9:18 PM
HEINLEIN!
Sakaki on September 24, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Yup
hawkdriver on September 24, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Question!
According to Rush Limbaugh,if I’m accurate,isn’t
the blame of this financial debauchery at the
feet of Chris Dodd,and Barney Frank,who were,
and still are,running this show!!
And why hasn’t anybody been screaming for Barney
and Dodd to immediately RESIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on September 24, 2008 at 9:19 PM
No. The illegals here on Long Island tend to rent houses and then have as many people as possible live in them as opposed to attempting to buy them.
IrishGirl17 on September 24, 2008 at 9:19 PM
FIFY
FloatingRock on September 24, 2008 at 9:19 PM
If they are so confident that they’ll get back 700 billion (or more!) back, then you’d think companies would be lining up around the corner.
Hmm. that absence is interesting.
lorien1973 on September 24, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Allahpundit, this is where we’ll see the GOP cream rise to the top.
Those Republicans who vigorously oppose this bail out – take note. This will be a news story in and of itself. Make a list of these individuals. These will be our future conservative leaders. They’ll desperately need our support as they’ll have the MSM, the democrats and the angry gop hierarchy pitted against them. Many of them will be the same that opposed McCain/Kennedy in June 07. Darvin Dowdy
Darvin Dowdy on September 24, 2008 at 9:19 PM
The only thing he missed in the speech was………….
Seven Percent Solution on September 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM
I believe that’s also the title of Clay Aiken’s new autobiography.
RBMN on September 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM
By crackie, I haven’t been so reassured by a presidential address since FDR came on in ‘29 when the stock market crashed to calm a panicked nation.
Dudley Smith on September 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM
BOHICA… I’m making a guess here; Bail Out High Income Corporate A*****s?
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM
No not that I’m aware of. I live in Texas, though. It doesn’t cost $500,000 to buy a home here :)
terryannonline on September 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Wow, Dingy Reid just said that the president should not put any of the blame on congress or the senate…didnt bush go to them in 2003 to try and fix the mess and put a regulatory law out then and they shot him down? Harry Reid keeps spinning like a top, I hate him.
SoCalInfidel on September 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM
canopfor on September 24, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Could it be there needs to be positive proof?
tru2tx on September 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Anyone remember which few conservatives it was that were pushing for that Mexican peso bailout back when? The loudest of them was the Texan Governor…yeah, he’s your president now.
Back in the peso bail out days, the narrative was that we must bail them out to protect our economy. Is Mexico, with it’s great present day economy, supposed to bail us out now? Isn’t the world supposed to bail us out for our mistakes because their economies are tied to it?
Buddahpundit on September 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Nooooo! I paid off my student loans last year! Should I start running up massive credit card debt? I could use a bigger flat-screen tv. ;-)
cannonball on September 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM
It would explain a lot. :)
FloatingRock on September 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Bush needed a haircut. This shitbill needed about 700 bill cut out of it.
KILL IT
MarcusBrody on September 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM
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