Open thread: Bush pitches the Paulson plan to America; Update: Paulson reaches deal with Democrats?
posted at 8:38 pm on September 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
9 p.m. ET all across the dial. Here’s your thread to sound off. Video later is possible but unlikely unless he really ratchets up the doomsday rhetoric and I can’t resist. While you wait, a tidbit that’s just crossing the wires. Did Dubya do his pal McCain a solid by dragging Obama to D.C.?
With extraordinary stakes on the line, President Bush has invited both presidential candidates and the leaders of the House and Senate to the White House on Thursday in hopes of securing a bill to rescue the economy.
Bush took the unusual step Wednesday night of calling Democratic Sen. Barack Obama directly to invite him to the meeting, White House press secretary Dana Perino said. An Obama spokesman said the senator would attend. The White House has also invited Republican Sen. John McCain.
Update: Here’s the joint McCain/Obama statement on the need to come together in this trying time in the spirit of etc etc etc.
Update: A “fragile” deal has been struck with the Democrats at least. Durbin expects a bill as early as tomorrow but debate through the weekend; where that leaves McCain vis-a-vis Friday night is anyone’s guess.
Senators described a very somber, serious meeting, with Paulson describing the risk of inaction and working hard to sell the plan to skeptical Democrats during the closed-door caucus meeting. Paulson said unemployment rates could approach 10 percent if the plan was not adopted, senators said, although he did indicate possible receptiveness to the idea of implementing it in stages. Such a plan, Paulson told senators, has worked in countries like Japan, where financial rescue plans were done in stages.
“He talked about the risks in the markets, the risk of the financial system locking up, the risk of companies not being able to borrow money, the risk of major firms failing, the risk of a substantial increase in unemployment,” said Conrad.
Update: Is Jim Johnson going to help prep The One before his meeting with Bush? He’s still advising the campaign, apparently.
Update: The GOP is balking and the Dems won’t jump alone:
Frank added that he believes Pelosi has a minimum threshold of Republican votes necessary to bring the bill forward, but he said he did not know what that number was.
“They’re not even close to having enough votes,” said Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.), a freshman facing a tough reelection. “This has to be bipartisan.”









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Epic Bail.
BJ* on September 24, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Debate on the Senate floor, for hours if needed. Start on Thursday, finish in time to debate in MS Friday night. No naps allowed.
xyzzy on September 24, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Well…McCain was right, and Bush took his advice.
Chudi on September 24, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Wonder if Harry Reid is feeling trumped right now….
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 8:42 PM
BAIL = FAIL
Lincoln on September 24, 2008 at 8:42 PM
I’m starting to wonder if these are chess moves that were worked out in advance….
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 8:43 PM
There has to be something going on; something more than Wall Street reluctant to trade some derivatives.
rockhauler on September 24, 2008 at 8:43 PM
I wonder what the final bill will look like?
Weebork on September 24, 2008 at 8:44 PM
I think this deal needs to be hammered out House of Commons-style.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Have you stocked up on Vaseline?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Interesting polls at Rasmussen…
In the CO senate polls…it seems that the GOP is closing…in NH, the GOP is ahead after trailing by a ton…
The folks voting GOP are in no way going to vote Dem for Prez…maybe there really is a Bradley factor.
ALso, CO rejected a same sex marriage bill by over 55% in 2006.
joepub on September 24, 2008 at 8:44 PM
This rather puts the One in an awkward spot.
Does he come when Bush calls?
Or does he repeatedly put self and politics ahead of country?
NeighborhoodCatLady on September 24, 2008 at 8:45 PM
I hope Harry Reid is huddled in a cornerm mumbling softly to himself. The old liar.
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 8:46 PM
BOHICA? :)
Most assuredly.
Weebork on September 24, 2008 at 8:46 PM
ahem…”corner”.
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Ha. Good abbreviation.
Spirit of 1776 on September 24, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Any time Rove is critical of McCain I think that something is up. Rove just criticized McCain about an hour ago on Fox News. RYMB time?
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Whatever deal we get stuck with will do several things guaranteed.
1. It will cost twice as much as they say
2. It will double inflation
3. It will grow government again
4. the politicians will pork it up
5. The politicians will use it to buy votes
I see little long term gain and a lot of down side, so…it will be enacted.
JIMV on September 24, 2008 at 8:46 PM
I say we have to go with it. The potential harm if we don’t enact it far outweighs the costs if we do.
I know, I know.. where does it end?
Anyway, I demand – not request – demand that earmarks be banned and any Senator/Representative caught adding them be dropped into a live volcanoe.
We’ll put the dropping on cable and charge folks. That should recoup some of the money.
SteveMG on September 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM
meh
There is no question in my mind that there is going to be a bailout bill.
It is a CYA thing for our wonderful [/sarc] elected officials.
F15Mech on September 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Not watching this bailout crap.
eski502 on September 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM
it said he was coming.
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM
166 Economists Sign a Letter Against Paulson’s Plan
We are currently experiencing a housing bubble that has artificially inflated home prices by 38-43% due to government interference in the housing market and government induced bad credit policies. That means homes have been artifically inflated by $12 Trillion dollars. People have now reach their credit limit and it is now impossible to stop these home prices from falling. Buying these overpriced assets with billions in tax payer money will only cause hyperinflation and put the tax payer at risk for other’s bad decisions and investments. Increasing credit limits to people who cannot pay their debts now will only make the problem worse not better. The housing market needs to stabilize itself and that means falling home prices to a market acceptable level.
Poptech on September 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM
What exactly will Obama be attending? Will he be with McCain?
Is this Obama multitasking or Obama caving in?
So many question, so little time.
Prediction! The debates will go on as scheduled.
Nelsa on September 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM
BOHICA or SNAFU take your pick.
F15Mech on September 24, 2008 at 8:48 PM
The best way of explaining the whole mess can be summarized like this….
We’re going to nationalize debt to privatize profits.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Oh good- if Rove is criticizing McCain, that makes it unanimous. Everyone thinks he’s a dead duck.
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 8:49 PM
The bill hasn’t passed yet, so were now at TARFU level shenanigans.
Weebork on September 24, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Amen. What happens, happens. I don’t waste my time worrying about what I can’t control. I think a lot of people could use that advice.
m064404 on September 24, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Um…unless Rove is just being Rove…
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 8:50 PM
What’s a little Depression between friends.
Give us all $5,000 grand and let’s call it even.
Bail me out of my own mess.
Nobody who does NOT pay any income tax or who receives EITC should get ANYTHING
originalpechanga on September 24, 2008 at 8:50 PM
What exactly did Rove the traitor, say?
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 8:50 PM
anniekc,
where did you see Rove criticizing McCain?
Chudi on September 24, 2008 at 8:50 PM
I just saw rove on o’reilly and he didn’t say anything against McCain.
Chudi on September 24, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I can’t wait to hear Bush explain how we’re all going to die unless we embrace socialism.
FloatingRock on September 24, 2008 at 8:51 PM
A Dubya open thread? I feel like it’s 2004 all over again.
fiatboomer on September 24, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Huge mistake.
Best case scenario for Bush- Wall Street is socialized.
Worst case scenario for Bush- markets get spooked and crash when Congress does nothing as it should.
We’re screwed in either case.
Valiant on September 24, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I didn’t see Rove- I was responding to someone else
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Dang. O’Reilly is doing the eswinner bit, but he dampening all the obama connections. game over.
Spirit of 1776 on September 24, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Pianobuff saw Rove
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Evidently, the economist who is Chairman of the Fed disagrees with them.
dedalus on September 24, 2008 at 8:53 PM
We can only hope that the bill contains legislation that will take care of the likes of Raines, Johnson, Gorelick, etc.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Well, maybe it’ll be like the RTC that bailed out the S&Ls.
The projected costs for that was ~$300-500 billion and it wound up costing us less than ~$90 billion.
Yeah, only $90 billion.
SteveMG on September 24, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Suddenly my decision years ago not to invest in a condo or get a 401K is looking less stupider by the day.
Lincoln on September 24, 2008 at 8:53 PM
That has a familiar ring to it.
Fletch54 on September 24, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Welcome socialism.
carbon_footprint on September 24, 2008 at 8:54 PM
I think it was at the top of O’Reilly. Basically being worded that McCain going to Washington/putting debate on hold was a big gamble and he seemed a little pessimistic that it would work in his favor.
Having said that, if Rove had a clue that Bush was also going to invite Obama, this might be exactly what you might expect him to say.
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Will BO call John McCain and ask him what will be on the test tomorrow? Heh
d1carter on September 24, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Treason, d: Adhering to an enemy giving aid and comfort.
What enemy did Rove “adhere” to?
SteveMG on September 24, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Well if they have the deal with the Dems and McCain brings the R’s, Paulson gets the deal done by Monday.
Spirit of 1776 on September 24, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Yeah, the mattress option and a sabbatical in France is loooking more and more appealing.
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Maybe it was Shep. Rove didn’t lambast McCain… more like he wrung his hands… at least that was my impression.
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Obama had to try to one-up McCain on the joint statement by adding a P.S. I find that amusing.
Enoxo on September 24, 2008 at 8:55 PM
I’d like to be the first one to say a friendly hello to all my new comrades.
Do we need to change the flag now or sumpin’?
Mojave Mark on September 24, 2008 at 8:55 PM
and it’s “looking” better, too
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 8:55 PM
So if the democrats like it, McCain is going to blast it, right? :-D
SouthernGent on September 24, 2008 at 8:56 PM
That must have been edited. There was no sign of “my friends” from Mac nor any “um” or “uh” from Teh One.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Something just occurred to me. I haven’t seen tonight’s Letterman transcript, but with Obama going to DC now, I wonder if any of Dave’s jokes will be remarkably “off the mark”…
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Wish in one hand. Crap in the other, my friend.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 8:57 PM
We can start be getting rid of that pesky white and blue!
fiatboomer on September 24, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Time to open up the vino…………..
Seven Percent Solution on September 24, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Viva La Raza.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Second look at Mitt?
Oh yeah – THANKS, FLORIDA.
fiatboomer on September 24, 2008 at 8:59 PM
+1 flatboomer.
cannonball on September 24, 2008 at 9:00 PM
From what I am seeing from Karl Rove’s appearance on O’Reilly is that he is setting expectations low so that McCain can ride high.
jencab on September 24, 2008 at 9:00 PM
F*** that, my friend. I’ve got a pint of Antiguan rum on my desk. Just need to go find some coke (yeah, that kind) to go with it.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 9:00 PM
I just watched the Couiric/Palin interview. Here’s my summary:
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/loudtalker/Kouric.jpg
cannonball on September 24, 2008 at 9:00 PM
What has Mitt been doing lately? He should be advising Mac on what to do with the economy.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 9:01 PM
I wonder if Bush and Maverick will send the O for sandwiches when things really get going? I’m sure he’s there for a reason, and it’s not his opinions.
Hening on September 24, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Whore-ing money is the world’s second oldest profession.
Doing it with tax payers money is the third oldest.
Either way, eventually your going to catch something nasty.
x
x
blofeld with a ‘w’ just for hotair.
esblowfeld on September 24, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Worth a thousand words.
fiatboomer on September 24, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Classic – someone should do a smile/frown count for each of these interviews.
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Barney Frank is going to be on CNBC after the Presidents news conference.
That oughta be downright heeeeeeeeeelarious.
BallisticBob on September 24, 2008 at 9:01 PM
And then the Toesucker Morris came on and was laughing his head off and said Rove probably orchestrated all this! The Toesucker said this was a stroke of genius. I have a tendency to take whatever he says with grain of salt, but if ever there was one to recognize political success it would be one that has in their past created the same thing.
Obama is now doing the tee-tee dance. LOL!
The President asking for THE ONE to come to Washington is like asking a bad child to please settle down and behave. It makes him look even smaller than the “It is all about ME!” presser today. Brett Baird is reporting OBAMA is now going to Washington. LMAO!
freeus on September 24, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Yep. She and Charlie have a lot in common.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 9:02 PM
I spent 7.5 years defending Bush. This disappoints me.
anniekc on September 24, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Decisive Action=dumping snake oil in the taxpayer’s lap
LevStrauss on September 24, 2008 at 9:02 PM
We need a sign from God. If the pinky on Paulson’s left hand starts bending really weird, then we are NOT to trust him.
Valiant on September 24, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Great. Lisping queer on CNBC. Well, at least he’s on the right network.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Lol. Good work.
Spirit of 1776 on September 24, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Government’s quick and decisive action caused this mess in the first place.
lorien1973 on September 24, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Our entire economy is not in danger, just the Bureacratic Class Power Elite in Washington and Wall Street, aka Democrats…………….
Seven Percent Solution on September 24, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Amnesty for housing. Anyone who bought a house from 2004 to present will be allowed to stay in their home, whether you were fit enough financially to do so at the time, or not.
No one loses in America. Failure is not an option.
I should have bought that beachfront I had my eye on a couple years back, loaded up on the adjustable loans and then waited.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda…..
FireBlogger on September 24, 2008 at 9:03 PM
NO TO BILLIONS IN EARMARKS, BUSH!
Enoxo on September 24, 2008 at 9:03 PM
GWB – and by the “government”, you mean me, right?
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 9:04 PM
In other words the banks were giving away money.
AnthonyK on September 24, 2008 at 9:04 PM
I can not believe he is just not telling the truth………….. the Democrats caused this.
Seven Percent Solution on September 24, 2008 at 9:04 PM
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IrishGirl17 on September 24, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Thank god I never had to have this man as a teacher.
cannonball on September 24, 2008 at 9:05 PM
“developed over a long period of time”
Yet these were all the people who were telling us all is well and now they want us to believe they have the cure, all they have is a plan for covering their own @sses.
LevStrauss on September 24, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Not a word on government’s role in bringing on the crisis. It is the industry’s fault.
Valiant on September 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM
This reminds me when he looked into the TV cameras and said the borders were secured………….
Seven Percent Solution on September 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM
‘stuck’ with homes?
xyzzy on September 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Our problem was optimism.
Pianobuff on September 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM
What is that saying? Capitalism on the way up, Socialism on the way down.
As much as I hate to admit it, I think this is the beginning of the end of the Good Ole U.S. of A.
pullingmyhairout on September 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM
W needs to stop humping the podium.
fiatboomer on September 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM
LOL, if it wasn’t so painful to realize that they really are like that, I really would be laughing. Well demonstrated flat!
hawkdriver on September 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM
they could not ask questions about that which is perfectly opaque
xyzzy on September 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Without the ability to borrow money, family farm operations (for example) would hardly know how to go forward. For most, they do it just because they enjoy it–not because they have much investment capital left over at the end of the year.
RBMN on September 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM
What’s up with that anyway? I can’t find an answer.
Valiant on September 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM
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