Biden hits McCain for war Biden supported … again
posted at 2:30 pm on September 24, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Joe Biden went on offense on national security against John McCain today, but skipped a few points in making his attack. He painted McCain as dangerously out of touch, and used Iraq as an example. However, Biden made the counterpoint himself — without even realizing it:
“John is more than wrong — he is dangerously wrong. On a question so basic, so fundamental, so critical to our nation’s security, we can’t afford a commander in chief so divorced from reality and from America’s most basic national interests,” Biden said.
He spoke at the Cincinnati Museum Center, where President Bush made the case for attacking Iraq.
“Mark my words: If, God forbid, there is another major attack on America, it will not come from Iraq,” Biden said. “It will almost certainly come from the Afghanistan-Pakistan border — where the Bush-McCain approach let down our guard and let our enemies off the hook.
“And unlike John McCain — who opposed Barack Obama’s call to take out the high-level terrorist targets in Pakistan and called it ‘bombing our ally’ — we will not tolerate a terrorist sanctuary in Pakistan.”
We need to do better in Afghanistan and Pakistan, to be sure. But part of the problem there is the NATO command structure — the very multi-nationalism that Biden and other critics of the Bush administration wanted in Iraq. The muddled chain of command and the unwillingness of most of our western European allies to contribute to actual fighting in Afghanistan has handicapped our effort there for years.
However, on Iraq, let’s recall that Biden voted for the authorization to use military force (AUMF) that approved the war in Iraq. He exercised the exact same judgment as McCain did in 2002, and for years Biden expressed support for ongoing operations in Iraq. Not until Democrats decided to use it as a political football in 2006 did Biden begin to back away from his support for the war.
Even then, Biden and Barack Obama would have created the very kind of terrorist sanctuary that he now decries in Iraq, had they been in charge of American military policy in 2006-7. With al-Qaeda terrorists engaging us throughout western and central Iraq, Obama would have had American troops retreat, leaving AQ in place to establish its own state within the borders of a failed Iraq. Biden would have forced a sectarian/ethnic split of Iraq that the Iraqis themselves rejected, creating a civil war along with the failed state and giving even more impetus for terrorist groups to use Iraq for their bases of operations.
In fact, Biden still promotes his plan to partition Iraq even now. He still wants to snatch defeat from the jaws of obvious victory.
John McCain, on the other hand, backed the one military policy that actually defeated the terrorists and the militias: the surge. Even Obama has finally acknowledged the success of the surge, an admission that McCain’s judgment proved superior in this case. He diagnosed the problem early in the war and put his political career on the line by supporting the surge strategy, while Obama and Biden scurried to pander to the Code Pink contingent by backing defeat and retreat.
Biden guarantees that another major attack on America will not come from Iraq. Why not? Because George Bush and John McCain stood firm and fought for victory, despite the ankle-biting from people like Obama, Biden, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton. If they had controlled policy during the critical years of 2006-7, we’d be looking at the rise of a terrorist caliphate in western Iraq that would have gained recruits, international prestige, vast territories for their purposes, and access to oil revenues for their plots.
If we want to talk about judgment, then we win that argument every time. Biden has to tie himself in knots just to approach that debate. He voted for the Iraq war, and then attempted to lose it. How exactly does that bolster his credibility?










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I’m beginning to think Biden is a Trojan Horse who’s on the Clinton’s payroll.
thirteen28 on September 24, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Joe Biden is just so clean and articulate.
The Race Card on September 24, 2008 at 2:32 PM
I voted for the War before I was ran against it.
The Race Card on September 24, 2008 at 2:32 PM
McCain should cut this part of the quote and run Obama’s repeated statements against the surge in Iraq.
I wish the McCain camp would hire me as an adwriter! :P
lorien1973 on September 24, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Sounds like someone has taken Biden to the Obama woodshed…?
d1carter on September 24, 2008 at 2:36 PM
That is seriously brilliant. Can you make it into a YouTube vid?
BadgerHawk on September 24, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Stand up Joe!!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on September 24, 2008 at 2:37 PM
There’s Uncle Joe, he’s movin’ kinda slow at the Junction – Turncoat Junction.
AubieJon on September 24, 2008 at 2:38 PM
He just got back from hanging out with Toto and the Wizard. He was looking for a brain.
JP1986UM on September 24, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Another day, another case of hoof-in-mouth disease for Plugsy. He’s like watching a slow-motion train wreck.
whitetop on September 24, 2008 at 2:38 PM
I enjoy Biden.
Spirit of 1776 on September 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Ed’s smackdowns are sometimes very devastating. Well done.
VolMagic on September 24, 2008 at 2:40 PM
You’ve got to wonder what’s up with that.
wise_man on September 24, 2008 at 2:41 PM
It amazes me that Biden’s inability to string together cohesive thought is not an issue, but Palin’s refusal to take gotcha questions is front page news.
I understand the reality. I have for years, but my goodness, it’s like bizzaro world.
csdeven on September 24, 2008 at 2:41 PM
Biden should take over for Letterman. He’s a LOT funnier!
Star20 on September 24, 2008 at 2:42 PM
The sad part is the “media” thinks that no matter what anyone else says the O is perfect and even Uncle Joe with his gaff’s, which I think are great, doesn’t make them do their job’s.I bet Tony and Tim are rollin over double time over this election.
tee866 on September 24, 2008 at 2:42 PM
If the voters can’t see through this blatant idiot then we’re lost. Biden isn’t simply incompetent . . . he’s embarrassing.
rplat on September 24, 2008 at 2:45 PM
What’s even better, is that if chop it after the “John” part … it’s a totally natural stand alone statement.
If you just saw this quote; you’d -think- he was referring to Obama.
lorien1973 on September 24, 2008 at 2:47 PM
So who’s running the pool on when “Plugs” Biden gets the Eagleton treatment?
I want $10 on “within 24 hours of the veep debate”.
Mew
acat on September 24, 2008 at 2:48 PM
OMG McCain just suspended his campain to come back to Washington to work on this bail out and challenged O to do the same.
tee866 on September 24, 2008 at 2:49 PM
BREAKING NEWS: John McCain has suspended his campaign. Just across Fox.
amerpundit on September 24, 2008 at 2:50 PM
I’m beginning to think Biden is a Trojan Horse who’s on the Clinton’s payroll.
Laughing and rolling on the floor…..EAGLETON!
SDarchitect on September 24, 2008 at 2:50 PM
On FOX right now.
McCain is sususpending his campaign to go back to washington and get this economic crisis fixed.
csdeven on September 24, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Hillary is the VP.
Chakra Hammer on September 24, 2008 at 2:50 PM
On FOX right now.
McCain is sususpending his campaign to go back to washington and get this economic crisis fixed.
csdeven on September 24, 2008 at 2:50 PM
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If McCain is smart (and I think he is…) Palin will do a good bit of campaigning to make up for it.
Mew
acat on September 24, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Biden is punch drunk, scratch that, Biden’s just drunk.
tarpon on September 24, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Hillary is the VP.
Chakra Hammer on September 24, 2008 at 2:50 PM
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That happens, Michelle better keep a close eye on Hillary and Bill – just ask Vince Foster or Ron Brown.
Mew
acat on September 24, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Instead of refuting point for point this inane Obama-Biden meme John McCain really needs to highlight the Democratic twins absolute ignorance in political-military affairs.
I would point out that in 1916 President Wilson sent an expeditionary force to Mexico under MG John J. Pershing to root out the Osama Bin Laden of the day, Pancho Villa. How did that work out Barry? If we couldn’t get Pancho Villa next door in Mexico how successful would we be in chasing through the FATA after Bin Laden? The Pakistani government would have to close down our supply lines running through the country or risk overthrow.
Let’s face it you would have to be stupid not to understand this. One thing we know about Obama is that he is not stupid. His belligerence on Pakistan is just a ruse. He intends to run away from that war too as part of his foreign policy realignment. Iran for Israel, Russia for Europe (I might be ok with that), North Korea for South Korea, China for Japan and Venezuela for Columbia.
jerryofva on September 24, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Obama will try to pull an EAGLETON, but it’s not going to work, nobody wants HIM.
The Socialist Health Care AIN’T gonna happen, he can’t even pander about it anymore.
Chakra Hammer on September 24, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Good for McCain. Enough politicking. Get back to Washington and solve this problem.
Doesn’t matter what Obama does at this point. McCain is demonstrating that working for the American people is more important than promoting himself on the campaign trail.
Gilda on September 24, 2008 at 2:53 PM
He wants to delay the debate also to get this thing worked out.
tee866 on September 24, 2008 at 2:55 PM
McCain wants the debate postponed also.
csdeven on September 24, 2008 at 2:55 PM
But who is going to point this out to people, the MSM?
johnsteele on September 24, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Ten on her saying no.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on September 24, 2008 at 2:55 PM
I am with Mc on this. He is still a Senator and we need him in Washington. BO has got to me-to this…
d1carter on September 24, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Here’s a bit of intelligence for Joe Sh*t Head Biden:
September didn’t “come from Afghanistan.” It was planned in Afghanistan, planned in Hamburg, tGermany, planned in Indonesia, planned in the Philippines, planned in the U.S., planned in Pakistan, and all around the world. Ramzi Yousef and the other operatives formed the father of the 9/11 scheme (Operation Bojinka) all around the world. 9/11 spawned from this, and the operatives who concocted this scheme met and plot all around the globe.
This effing moron has no idea what he is talking about. I hate him and he is unfit for the presidency, that corrupt bastard.
blatantblue on September 24, 2008 at 2:57 PM
McCain just backed out of Friday’s debate to work on financial crisis. Lord help us we are gonna get SMASHED over the head with this.
Limerick on September 24, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Will Oslime-a suspend also?
Will he FOLLOW McCain’s lead on this also?
Will this be the issue that the MSM cannot sweep under the rug?
Irrespective of the region of the country, McCain just got himself some serious press and Oslime-a can only try to play catch up or spin his reason for staying on the trail.
csdeven on September 24, 2008 at 2:58 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen…*skip*…Ladies and Gentlemen…*skip*…Ladies and Gentlemen…*skip*…Ladies and Gentlemen…*skip*…
The Ugly American on September 24, 2008 at 2:58 PM
Limerick on September 24, 2008 at 2:57 PM
No we won’t because if the O doesn’t do it too it makes him look clueless John handled this perfectly.
tee866 on September 24, 2008 at 2:58 PM
Country first.
wise_man on September 24, 2008 at 2:59 PM
John McCain asked the Presidential Debate Commission on Wednesday to postpone Friday’s scheduled debate with Barack Obama so that he can work on the financial crisis bailout plan now on Capitol Hill.
The Arizona Republican senator said he will suspend his presidential campaign on Thursday to return to Washington to help with bailout negotiations. He urged Obama to do the same.
This is him putting country first!
tee866 on September 24, 2008 at 3:02 PM
There is no need for BO to go to Washington he doesn’t vote on anything anyway. Present…
d1carter on September 24, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Obama threw his own Socialist Health care under the bus by taking bribes from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac! And the Democrats threw the Socialist Health Care under the bus by Blocking (S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005)
S. 190
Introduced Jan 26, 2005
Sponsor: Sen. Charles Hagel [R-NE]
Co-sponsors: Sen. Elizabeth Dole [R-NC],Sen. John McCain [R-AZ],Sen. John Sununu [R-NH]
Democrats voted against this bill along party lines, and blocked this bill.
Chakra Hammer on September 24, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Please let me know if BO is returning to Washington to throw the moneychangers out of the District. I’ll want to get down there with my palm fronds ASAP.
Laura in Maryland on September 24, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Fox news has the whole statement and OMG he hits it out of the park.
tee866 on September 24, 2008 at 3:09 PM
The O says he will work with McCain to work out the bailout,but he hasn’t said that he is going to suspend his campaign
tee866 on September 24, 2008 at 3:11 PM
The Democrats have already announced that they’re going to wait to see how McCain votes on the bail-out before they vote — so that they don’t risk losing any political advantage.
Always putting the welfare of the country first, right Dims?
These people make me sick, and Obama is the worst of the lot.
AZCoyote on September 24, 2008 at 3:15 PM
New electoral contest:
From among the list below, choose who will have frittered away the Obama campaign’s farm and squandered the most political capital by incompetence, mismanagement of facts, ham-handed ads and utterances, arrogant presumption of an entitlement to power, and lack of coordination.
1) Barak Obama himself
2) Joe “What-did-I-just-say?” Biden
3) Ham-faced fratboy staffers
4) Doctrinaire, lockstep ideological bloggers
5) Doctrinaire, lockstep ideological sold-out journalists
6) The Democratic Party leadership
Winners announced 5 November.
Grand prize winner gets a macaroni-and-cheese dinner with me, Puritan1648. No purchase necessary. Transportation not provided.
Puritan1648 on September 24, 2008 at 3:16 PM
…so, are we saying that Giuliani’s crack at the convention about Obama taking 3 days to make a decision vis-a-vis Russia/Georgia was right? “Next time, just call John McCain….”
Maybe, after the vote, Mr. McCain should submit an invoice to the Obama campaign…consultancy fee….
Puritan1648 on September 24, 2008 at 3:19 PM
Announcer:
While the American economy staggered thanks to the Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae scandal, Congress was called in to act.
John McCain answered the call.
Barack Obama kept campaigning.
Tell me… who do you think puts his country first.
Barack Obama? No.
John McCain? Yes.
Country first.
Vote McCain/Palin.
I’m either orr and I approve this message.
either orr on September 24, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Has anyone told Joe Biden that it’s Wednesday?
GarandFan on September 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM
Jim A. Johnson(Connected to Obama’s Campaign) managing director with Lehman Brothers and vice chairman of Fannie Mae, Nadhmi Auchi has ties to Rezko who’s bank loaned millions of dollars to him, Auchi had $250 Million tied to Lehman..
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5076
Chakra Hammer on September 24, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Lehman Brothers is just as much of a scandal as Fannie and Freddie.
Chakra Hammer on September 24, 2008 at 3:33 PM
This is going to be a test of the American voter. Will the pay attention to the fact that McCain is going back to Washington to exercise leadership in a crisis or will they continue to fawn on the Rock Star who will be out campaigning? My bet is that MSM will tell the public that McCain is ducking the debate that he would surely lose to posture in DC. I believe that the average voter will buy it.
It’s over and so is the Republic.
jerryofva on September 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM
“WTF did I say!!!” Biden is the gift that just keeps giving.
grapeknutz on September 24, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Keep it up Joe.
mindhacker on September 24, 2008 at 3:47 PM
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Thunder_Run on September 24, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Oh God, Barney Frank just COMPLETELY dissembled on Fannie and Freddie. Shameless!!!
rockmom on September 24, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Gilda on September 24, 2008 at 2:53 PM
My first response to hearing McCain was suspending campaigning to get back to Washington was this: He thinks he’s in real trouble here. Barry is beating him up on the Economy, and he’s got to do something to change the dynamic. That may be correct.
As a political move, McCain is also demonstrating a leadership quality that Obama has none of. He is still inside Obama’s OODA loop.
All that said, the solutions being discussed here all amount, in one degree or another, to more of the same….more regulation, some new agency with new, consolidated powers. We’re really not changing the fundamentals here…Nobody is suggesting that we bring back Moral Hazard. It is all still just a matter of degree. I recommend John Stossel’s recent opinion piece.
azlibertarian on September 24, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Uncle Joe you’re embarrassing yourself. Chillax and give us a second to catch our breath from laughing so hard.
RFA on September 24, 2008 at 5:46 PM
I watched Joe’s speech and he again repeated his forced down helicopter quip.
moxie_neanderthal on September 24, 2008 at 8:05 PM