Video: Fifth-grader suspended from public school for wearing anti-Obama t-shirt

posted at 12:56 pm on September 23, 2008 by Allahpundit

Needless to say, there must be some hefty consciousness-raising convos happening at the dinner table to motivate someone who won’t be able to vote for another seven years to design his own anti-Messiah shirts. But never mind that. Unconstitutional or no? Answer: Probably, although the latest major Supreme Court statement on school speech — the “Bong Hits 4 Jesus” case — left the jurisprudence sufficiently vague that you can argue it either way. The Warren Court standard was that students had more or less the same right of free speech as adults so long as they didn’t use it to cause any substantial disruptions at school. The Roberts Court’s gloss, per the “Bong Hits” opinion, is that the strict “substantial disruption” standard no longer applies and that courts should balance students’ right of expression with school administrators’ duty to protect students from advocacy of illegal activity. Where does that leave us here? Nothing illegal being advocated, but there’s bound to be some minor disruption as pro-Obama kids take exception to the message. My guess: Because the message is quintessentially political and judges love to slobber over political speech being at the core of the First Amendment (except in campaign-finance cases, of course), they’ll have no choice but to rule for the kid. Sue, Billy. Sue like the wind. Click the image to watch.


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Why isn’t this kid on facebook like the rest of his pals? 5th graders have been expressing themselves for years online.

saved on September 23, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Then you talk about keeping your temper, and suspend them for FIGHTING.
Romeo13 on September 23, 2008 at 1:34 PM

The school has been disrupted by fighting. Suspending kids is disruptive. Calling the police on them for assault and battery is disruptive. And they just get more and more productive. They are not adults. They do not have the self control and they are mandated to be in school so they can’t walk away. Where did anyone get the idea that a 10 year old’s right to political speech is akin to the same rights as an adults? It’s not.

Blake on September 23, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Follow a stupid kid home, someone stupid answers the door.

Wade on September 23, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Dax and his dad were just on Fox News Channel and not treated very respectfully.

What exactly is so inappropriate about the shirt? Why is it okay for a parent to take an underage child to an abortion clinic but not to an anti-abortion rally?

Good luck competing with the “progressive” values your child’s teachers are trying to instill in them starting at Kindergarten by waiting until they are old enough to make up their own minds.

Terrie on September 23, 2008 at 2:03 PM

If you have one kid wearing a shirt calling Obama a terrorist you’ll undoubtedly end up with another kid wearing a shirt calling McCain a racist. Then you have fist fights breaking out all over the school.

Blake on September 23, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Which in turn results in some kids going home with a fat lip, which in turn will bolster the liberal ranks in 10 years.

BigWyo on September 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM

x-wing on September 23, 2008 at 1:07 PM

I love this. You conservatives must have some dumba$$ children.

My 10 year old (5th grader) was watching a biography about Hannibal on the History Channel about 2 years ago. He was listening to the part where the narrator was describing the relationship between Hannibal and his father and I notice him cock his head to one side. I knew the wheels were turning and I waited patiently for the comment. Jaybird said, “Mom, I think I was Hannibal in a past life.” I sh!t you not. I don’t teach my kids that stuff, it’s not my cup of tea. Two years later, Jaybird has moved on to much deeper thinking.

As for my own example: I was born in 1969. So you can guess how old I was when Reagan first ran for office. I remember those ‘brainwashed’ children who spouted during the primaries, ‘Reagan is for war. Bush is for peace.’ I literally told them, ‘Do you repeat everything your parents tell you?’

Needless to say, I DID request my mom let me work for the Reagan campaign. I was a pollster for my neighborhood’s precinct. I got a list of names and walked door to door asking people to vote. I’ll never forget it for the rest of my life because at the campaign headquarters they told me that I was to request both Democrats AND Republicans to vote and not ask them who they were voting for at all. I had my campaign button on but that was it. That was the first “Get Out The Vote” campaign and it was mighty successful. I had many Democrats state they were going to vote for Reagan because we bothered to ask them to include themselves in the political discussion regardless of Party affiliation and no Democrats even bothered to call.

I did that on my own because I listened to Reagan and I believed in the things he was saying to me. I was inspired even at a young age by his smiling, we can do anything we put our minds to attitude. My parents never said a word to me politically they just let me do my own thing and pave my own way. My mom’s deceased and I STILL have no idea what she was registered as, but a suspected it was Democrat based on the local candidates she voted in to office. I didn’t find out my father’s political registration until the 2000 election debacle and it was ONLY because of that when my father was talking to me waxing nostalgia.

Please don’t assume just because they’re in 5th grade they’re stupid gumbys molded in their parents image.

Sultry Beauty on September 23, 2008 at 2:05 PM

The deeper question the media should ask is – “What does his shirt mean?” Hmm. I think we have the platform to launch a national movement. If we make all of our kids wear that shirt, the media can’t ignore the hysteria it will create. AND they’ll have to ask “what does the shirt mean?”

marklmail on September 23, 2008 at 2:05 PM

No one is allow to use the “T” word unless it is directly referring to Bush or US military actions:

Like so:
- George Bush is a terrorist
- The US is practicing terrorist actions in Iraq and responsible for all the fighting there.

/sarc

Damiano on September 23, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Well, first of all, the kid gets an F for failing to complete the assignment.

He also gets an F for being 11 and suggesting that he understands the complexities of foreign policy. How come they didn’t ask him to explain his shirt and how it is patriotic?

He also gets an F for wearing a filthy shirt that looks like it was dragged behind a grease dumpster.

And he gets an F for using an XXXXXXL T shirt. He’s a fat kid, but not that fat.

Mountain, molehill.

Next.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Follow a stupid kid home, someone stupid answers the door.

Wade on September 23, 2008 at 2:03 PM
———–
ha ha ha ha

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Blake on September 23, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Please point out to me where there is an Age limit to Freedoms and Rights in the Constitution?

And, back in the OOLLLLDDDD days, when I was in school, you didn’t get the cops called on you for fighting unless it was a gang fight, or weapons were invovled (you do know this is a FIFTH GRADER?).

I love that people want schools to teach our kids how to think criticaly, and to be nice to the Lefts Agenda (gays and such, and racial politics) and yet WON’T teach them to be sympathetic to opposing viewpoints.

The idea that Speech can be punished LIKE violence is punished, is not the lesson I want MY kids to learn.

Romeo13 on September 23, 2008 at 2:08 PM

He also gets an F for wearing a filthy shirt that looks like it was dragged behind a grease dumpster.

And he gets an F for using an XXXXXXL T shirt. He’s a fat kid, but not that fat.

Mountain, molehill.

Next.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:06 PM

As usual, our resident leftist contributes a heaping helping of class, nuance, and carefully thought out discourse. Go get em’ Dave.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2008 at 2:10 PM

No one is allow to use the “T” word unless it is directly referring to Bush or US military actions:

Like so:
- George Bush is a terrorist
- The US is practicing terrorist actions in Iraq and responsible for all the fighting there.

/sarc

Damiano on September 23, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Please visit us again sometime, when you’ve completed a World History class and know something — anything — about what you’re talking about. You only make a fool of yourself otherwise.

VastRightWingConspirator on September 23, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:06 PM

AHHHH… the Liberal has spoken, and notice, he fails the kids not for knowledge, but for his politics…

How, appropriate to the discussion.

Romeo13 on September 23, 2008 at 2:11 PM

This is a shirt that is intended to provoke, just as a shirt saying “Christianity: Keeping people ignorant for 2000 years” or “John McCain: Wants your kids to die while his lobbyist/adviser rakes in 100s of 1000s of dollars from Georgian interests”. Even though the statements on the shirts might very well be factual, we cannot mistake the fact that they would most likely cause confrontation. Religion and Politics are two things that should be off limits in programs that have mandatory attendance. Religion and politics usually involve irrational affiliations, just like gang colors and baggy dress, and irrational affiliations usually cause confrontation when one irrational affiliation is either confronted with an emotional irrational criticism or with rational facts.

LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 2:11 PM

I saw the father on Foxnews channel. He should be arrested for child abuse. You don’t use your children as tools to advance your agenda. The father knew his son would be suspended from school and in fact he was counting on it. His 15 minutes of fame was more important than his sons education.

meci on September 23, 2008 at 2:13 PM

The school asked the children to wear something patriotic and this is what they came up with?

Sorry kid but your dad is an idiot.

The Ugly American on September 23, 2008 at 2:16 PM

LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 2:11 PM

If we can’t coexist with our ideological opponents while engaging in civil discourse, our country is kinda screwed. So much for the great debate.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2008 at 2:22 PM

If we can’t coexist with our ideological opponents while engaging in civil discourse, our country is kinda screwed. So much for the great debate.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2008 at 2:22 PM

DING DING DING

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 23, 2008 at 2:24 PM

VastRightWingConspirator on September 23, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Uh….

/SARC for SARCASM…

Main Entry: sar·casm
Pronunciation: \ˈsär-ˌka-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwarəs- to cut
Date: 1550
1: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2 a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b: the use or language of sarcasm

Just ta help ya out a bit…

Romeo13 on September 23, 2008 at 2:26 PM

I think the shirt was done in poor taste – but I have a question for all of our resident liberals here (and be honset):

Would you have an issue with the shirt if it had been an anti-war shirt?

Because we’ve heard lots and lots of screaming that dissent is patriotic.

gwelf on September 23, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Uh….

/SARC for SARCASM

Romeo13

“Oh… nevermind!”
– Rosanne Rosannadanna

VastRightWingConspirator on September 23, 2008 at 2:32 PM

AHHHH… the Liberal has spoken, and notice, he fails the kids not for knowledge, but for his politics…

How, appropriate to the discussion.

Romeo13 on September 23, 2008 at 2:11 PM
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Obviously the kid’s greasy dad put him up to it. If the kid had worn a shirt mocking McCain when the assignment was to wear something patriotic, I would mock the kid too, so get over yourself.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:32 PM

I saw the father on Foxnews channel. He should be arrested for child abuse. You don’t use your children as tools to advance your agenda. The father knew his son would be suspended from school and in fact he was counting on it. His 15 minutes of fame was more important than his sons education.

meci on September 23, 2008 at 2:13 PM
——–
Yep. Textbook case of a parent using the child to advance the parent’s interests.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:34 PM

I think the shirt was done in poor taste – but I have a question for all of our resident liberals here (and be honset):

Would you have an issue with the shirt if it had been an anti-war shirt?

Because we’ve heard lots and lots of screaming that dissent is patriotic.

gwelf on September 23, 2008 at 2:29 PM
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Yes, given the assignment I would have an issue with it. Kid would get an F and be suspended if he didn’t turn his XXXXXXXXXL fat kid shirt inside out.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:34 PM

If we can’t coexist with our ideological opponents while engaging in civil discourse, our country is kinda screwed. So much for the great debate.

In the FIFTH grade??? This kid is eleven in the fifth grade. At this time of the year, I have mostly NINE year olds, going on TEN in the fifth grade. I don’t think he’s the sharpest tool in the shed.

Just sayin’.

When the fifth graders start paying taxes, then I’ll worry about letting them wear what they choose.

robblefarian on September 23, 2008 at 2:39 PM

the shirt was considered disruptive to school…plze now…anyone on here checked out the way kids dress going to school anymore? I bet if it the subject was McCain or Palin not a word would have been said…left wing free speech, it’s free speech as long as you agree with them.

oldernslower on September 23, 2008 at 2:40 PM

Obviously the kid’s greasy dad put him up to it. If the kid had worn a shirt mocking McCain when the assignment was to wear something patriotic, I would mock the kid too, so get over yourself.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Dissent isn’t so patriotic after all then?

Engaging in political debate during an election season isn’t patriotic?

Also, kudos for mocking a 5th grader on the Internet. I’m sure you feel like a big boy now.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2008 at 2:40 PM

Dissent isn’t so patriotic after all then?

Engaging in political debate during an election season isn’t patriotic?

Also, kudos for mocking a 5th grader on the Internet. I’m sure you feel like a big boy now.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2008 at 2:40 PM
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1. A 5th grader doesn’t understand how dissent would be patriotic.

2. Sure, engaging in debate during election time is patriotic. 5th graders simply aren’t part of that debate.

3. Yes I’m mocking a 5th grader. He’s an idiot. But more his father, who put him up to it. He’s a bigger idiot.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:43 PM

In the FIFTH grade??? This kid is eleven in the fifth grade. At this time of the year, I have mostly NINE year olds, going on TEN in the fifth grade. I don’t think he’s the sharpest tool in the shed.

Just sayin’.

When the fifth graders start paying taxes, then I’ll worry about letting them wear what they choose.

robblefarian on September 23, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Some kids are pretty intelligent at 11. But regardless, the point is to teach them, not try to step on them whenever they do something that isn’t exactly what you wanted them to do.

Kids aren’t stupid, and they often understand more than you realize. But if you treat them like idiots incapable of having a discussion (however basic) then that’s exactly the kind of person you encourage them to be.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2008 at 2:44 PM

The dad has been using his kids as props for at least 8 years, if the Rocky Mt. News story is true.

There were better ways to make this point–and on a cleaner shirt. The “terrorist” language must have intentionally been a bit explosive in Aurora, given its proximity to Columbine. And the “Bong Hits for Jesus” case involved a banner outside the classrooms at a school-endorsed function instead of on a shirt in a classroom.

I think the kid and his dad lose the lawsuit.

jim m on September 23, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Yes, given the assignment I would have an issue with it. Kid would get an F and be suspended if he didn’t turn his XXXXXXXXXL fat kid shirt inside out.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:34 PM

The students were “encouraged” to wear shirts that had red, white, and blue on it. Nobody said anything about an assignment, Dave. Your Canadian version of English may consider the words “encourage” and “assign” as synonyms, but here in America, we do not.

See to it that you don’t make this mistake again. Correcting your lack of judgment isn’t my job, it’s the job of the Democratic People’s Republic of Canada.

And on a side note, of course a filthy liberal like yourself would dare make fun of the physical stature of an 11 year-old child that still has over 15 years of growing into his body. After all, you liberals and your media machines have no problem attacking other Children, namely the Palin Family.

Yep. Textbook case of a parent using the child to advance the parent’s interests.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:34 PM

As opposed to the Clinton family using Chelsea to campaign this year? Or perhaps her appearance on MTV’s 1996 Rock the Vote would be a better example.

leetpriest on September 23, 2008 at 2:48 PM

3. Yes I’m mocking a 5th grader. He’s an idiot. But more his father, who put him up to it. He’s a bigger idiot.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:43 PM

I’m sure these “idiots” at least know the difference between “encourage” and “assign”, as you obviously don’t.

leetpriest on September 23, 2008 at 2:52 PM

1. A 5th grader doesn’t understand how dissent would be patriotic.

Quoth the noted child-development expert/random dude on the Internet making assertions without evidence.

2. Sure, engaging in debate during election time is patriotic. 5th graders simply aren’t part of that debate.

And they necessarily can’t be because … ? What, did they replace your government/civics class with how to be a happy Marxist in the glorious people’s paradise?

3. Yes I’m mocking a 5th grader. He’s an idiot.
Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:43 PM

So you claim the kid can’t possibly possess the capacity to understand the meaning behind what he’s doing and then mock him for it? By that logic I expect to see you writing scathing reviews of children’s theater.

Back under the bridge, troll. I’m done feeding you.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2008 at 2:53 PM

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Don’t you know civics lessons are only for high school kids? This little turds curriculum should concentrate on the finer points of gay fisting techniques and proper condom applications.

/sarc

Ciannaky on September 23, 2008 at 2:53 PM

When the fifth graders start paying taxes, then I’ll worry about letting them wear what they choose.

robblefarian on September 23, 2008 at 2:39 PM

We’ve already tried to apply this thinking on illegal aliens and people on welfare.

And how far did it get us again?

We’re talking about an American Citizen here, regardless of his age.

leetpriest on September 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Some kids are pretty intelligent at 11. But regardless, the point is to teach them, not try to step on them whenever they do something that isn’t exactly what you wanted them to do.

I agree. I have some students that are HIGHLY intelligent at eleven, but even so, I don’t think they could elucidate on Obama’s terror ties.

On the other end of the intelligence spectrum, however, I have students ask me which side of the ruler is “inches.” Fifth graders. No joke.

So that begs the question: assuming this kid IS intelligent enough to make a clear and precise argument regarding William Ayers, Hamas and Obama, what makes you think that his peers would understand any of it to any degree of comprehension? Your argument is often only as effective as the person your debating with.

Yes, I agree that all children should be critical thinkers. But making the argument that a shirt that is meant to “push-buttons” on a fifth grader is a grade-A primer for debate, discussion and dissent is a bit of a stretch. What if the kid was wearing a mother****er shirt? Or a shirt laced with vulgarity or profanity? What about beer, drugs or alcohol?

Just about ANYTHING can be a primer for a debate over free speech.

I resect the fact that his family is up on current events. I don’t like the fact that they used him as a political tool.

robblefarian on September 23, 2008 at 2:58 PM

The students were “encouraged” to wear shirts that had red, white, and blue on it. Nobody said anything about an assignment, Dave. Your Canadian version of English may consider the words “encourage” and “assign” as synonyms, but here in America, we do not.

See to it that you don’t make this mistake again. Correcting your lack of judgment isn’t my job, it’s the job of the Democratic People’s Republic of Canada.

And on a side note, of course a filthy liberal like yourself would dare make fun of the physical stature of an 11 year-old child that still has over 15 years of growing into his body. After all, you liberals and your media machines have no problem attacking other Children, namely the Palin Family.

Yep. Textbook case of a parent using the child to advance the parent’s interests.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:34 PM

As opposed to the Clinton family using Chelsea to campaign this year? Or perhaps her appearance on MTV’s 1996 Rock the Vote would be a better example.

leetpriest on September 23, 2008 at 2:48 PM
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Ohhh, sorry, Captain Internet – okay, so they were encouraged to wear red white and blue to demonstrate patriotism. The kid still fails because he failed to demonstrate the patriotism of an 11 year old.

Why is the T shirt so large? Could they not find one that fit the kid? And sorry – he’s kind of pudgy. I could give a sh*t if that offends you. And nice pointless non-sequitor trying to shriek that all liberals have attacked the Palin family’s kids. When you’re back on track with this discussion, let me know.

Chelsea is an adult free to make her own decisions. This kid is 11 and a tool of his crazy greasy father. You fail.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 3:01 PM

The current stable of Hot Air trolls really aren’t that good. It almost like they close their eyes and click on a topic and then randomly select a comment to disparage merely by contradicting the comment chosen.

It’s kind of sad…it seems the small time, innovative trolls have all been replaced by lifeless corporate drones.

:(

Asher on September 23, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Obviously the kid’s greasy dad put him up to it. If the kid had worn a shirt mocking McCain when the assignment was to wear something patriotic, I would mock the kid too, so get over yourself.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Ah…Liberals and identity politics.

Black Adam on September 23, 2008 at 3:02 PM

I can’t wait for this chubby kid to be interviewed on Good Morning Colorado so he can elaborate on why he believes his T shirt is patriotic. Then it will become crystal clear a) he doesn’t have a clue and b) his father is using him.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 3:03 PM

I wish the T shirt was about McCain. Then all you yahoos would be saying exactly what I’m saying. Except perhaps for the fat part, because you’re all so sensitive and sweet.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Please point out to me where there is an Age limit to Freedoms and Rights in the Constitution?

Look it up yourself. The constitution does not support an absolute right to anything. There are competing interests that must be balanced. Here, straight out of Bongs4Jesus:

At the same time, we have held that “the constitutional rights of students in public school are not automatically coextensive with the rights of adults in other settings,” Bethel School Dist. No. 403 v. Fraser, 478 U. S. 675, 682 (1986), and that the rights of students “must be ‘applied in light of the special characteristics of the school environment.’” Hazelwood School Dist. v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U. S. 260, 266 (1988) (quoting Tinker, supra, at 506)

And, back in the OOLLLLDDDD days, when I was in school, you didn’t get the cops called on you for fighting unless it was a gang fight, or weapons were invovled (you do know this is a FIFTH GRADER?).

Well, it isn’t the old days, is it? Cops get called all the time and I am sure if your little darling was being beat up at school, you would demand it, too. As to this being a FIFTH GRADER, yeah, I know. That’s why his right to political speech is not absolute.

Blake on September 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Good for you Daxx !!
Thank Goodness your Father isn’t one of the liberal fools that bring children to anti-American protest,..Thank Goodness Your Father isn’t one of the liberal loons that bring children to a nude liberal protest, Thank-Goodness your father isn’t one of the fathers caught up in the DNC confrontation while holding a child in his arms! Thank-You for having the class to wear your opinion on your shirt and not shout it out at others who disagree with you!(unlike those who have already called you a racist)

christene on September 23, 2008 at 3:05 PM

That’s painting with a pretty broad brush. When I was 11, you couldn’t tear me away from the Watergate hearings.
john1schn on September 23, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Different era, same sentiment. For me 5th grade was Iranian Hostage Crisis/Reagan vs Carter. My mostly conservative, but basically apolitical, parents had nothing to do with it. I’ve been a junkie since I learned to read. Could be the same for our shirtscribbling friend.

innominatus on September 23, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Wow. Some of the comments on here are disturbing. Some of you consider it child abuse, while some just flat out call the kid fat and stupid.

john1schn on September 23, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Spirit of 1776 on September 23, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Sultry Beauty on September 23, 2008 at 2:05 PM

I agree completely with all three of you, though, Sultry, your opening line could have been better.

Obviously many of the people here didn’t care at all about politics at this kid’s age, but don’t pretend all kids are like you. Many of us here were very interested from the moment we learned our first American history lessons.

When I was eleven, I was arguing against the misuse of food stamps and declaring that I would one day run for president. After seeing how prospective candidates are treated and realizing I would never want my family drug through the mud that way, I changed my political aspirations, but I was always very interested in politics.

As far as I’m concern, if the school’s dress code doesn’t forbid it, the school doesn’t have a leg to stand on. They can’t arbitrarily decide after the fact that something is against their rules.

And I would say that even if it was a pro-Obama shirt.

Esthier on September 23, 2008 at 3:08 PM

The brainwashing is wrong in both cases.

Zetterson on September 23, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Parents are supposed to keep their political opinions hidden?

MarkTheGreat on September 23, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Have some common sense MarkTheGreat. A little intellectual honesty is all I’m asking for here. I can only imagine what you would be saying about the sad sad sad sad brainwashing taking place in that poor kid’s home had he come in with a shirt that said something like, “no more same old same old, we need change. Elect Barak Obama.”

All I’m saying is that a kid that age is going to believe whatever his parents make him believe unless he’s extremely bright and unusually interested in American politics. In my opinion, I don’t care what the end result is, if free thought is discouraged (ie the kid is told to believe X) it is a sad outcome. I became a right winger contrary to practically every teacher I ever had, contrary to my parents political leanings, contrary to my sisters, contrary to most of my friends. I thank God nobody forced their opinions into my head when I was a young impressionable boy. I thank God nobody influenced me to such a degree that I ended up on the front page of newspapers around the country for wearing politically motivated clothing to elementary school. No matter what end of the political spectrum I was a human prop for.

Zetterson on September 23, 2008 at 3:11 PM

innominatus on September 23, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Esthier on September 23, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Started slightly later for me, sixth and seventh was when it hit, but about the same ring.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 23, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Ohhh, sorry, Captain Internet – okay, so they were encouraged to wear red white and blue to demonstrate patriotism. The kid still fails because he failed to demonstrate the patriotism of an 11 year old.

What’s most amusing is that you – a Canadian liberal, are trying to sell the idea that you have any right, or educated thought or opinion towards speculation of the standards of American Conservative Patriotism. Cute.

Why is the T shirt so large? Could they not find one that fit the kid? And sorry – he’s kind of pudgy. I could give a sh*t if that offends you.

You obviously lack a basic understanding of human growth and anatomy, explain again how you have mental capacity to enter a forum with an opposing viewpoint and speak your mind?

And nice pointless non-sequitor trying to shriek that all liberals have attacked the Palin family’s kids.

It served to compliment your ad hominem against the child.

When you’re back on track with this discussion, let me know.

My 1 OT sentence vs. your 2 OT sentences. NEXT!

Chelsea Clinton was born in 1980. She was 16 years old during the 1996 Rock the vote that she appeared on. Last time I checked, 16 is still a minor in our country.

You fail, as usual.

Come now, Dave. Surely you have something better than this… I mean, I’m not even trying, guy.

leetpriest on September 23, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Chelsea is an adult free to make her own decisions. This kid is 11 and a tool of his crazy greasy father. You fail.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 3:01 PM

In 1996 should would have been 16 and not an adult.

I wish the T shirt was about McCain. Then all you yahoos would be saying exactly what I’m saying. Except perhaps for the fat part, because you’re all so sensitive and sweet.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM

1. No, I’d feel the same way. I even would have supported the bong hits kid if he hadn’t been advocating something illegal.

2. No, again. Plenty of people on this site who I believe are right-leaning have called the kid fat.

Esthier on September 23, 2008 at 3:14 PM

I wish the T shirt was about McCain. Then all you yahoos would be saying exactly what I’m saying. Except perhaps for the fat part, because you’re all so sensitive and sweet.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Dave’s version of the failed “acceptance ploy”. It doesn’t get much more pitiful than this.

leetpriest on September 23, 2008 at 3:15 PM

It’s kind of amusing how often Canadian liberals storm in on conservative discussions and try to tell us how to run our country. Just a few days ago on another discussion I had one such tell me “I’m ashamed that the US doesn’t have universal healthcare yet.” My knee-jerk reaction was to explain everything wrong with that particular issue, but later contemplation brought up the question… “Why the heck do you care? You don’t live here.”

*shrugs*

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 23, 2008 at 3:17 PM

As opposed to the Clinton family using Chelsea to campaign this year? Or perhaps her appearance on MTV’s 1996 Rock the Vote would be a better example.

leetpriest on September 23, 2008 at 2:48 PM
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Whoops. I misread what you wrote.

Let me revise my stance:

1996: It was wholly inappropriate to use Chelsea at an event. An appearance at the DNC would have been okay but beyond that, no.

This year: She’s an adult so it was her decision to be wherever she was.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Blake on September 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Interesting, you point to a court case… while I asked about the CONSTITUTION.

As to calling the cops, I just checked, there were 9 fights at my X Girlfreinds school…. she teaches Middle School in Colorado… not a single one had the cops called on them.

So, your point?

Romeo13 on September 23, 2008 at 3:19 PM

Ah, I see the Obama-nation is coming out of the woodwork. This must be a sore subject, and the “anti-smear” emails must have gone out from Obama Headquarters.

marklmail on September 23, 2008 at 3:22 PM

As to calling the cops, I just checked, there were 9 fights at my X Girlfreinds school…. she teaches Middle School in Colorado… not a single one had the cops called on them.

Romeo13 on September 23, 2008 at 3:19 PM

Is it a large city, or is that just common where she teaches?

When I was growing up, my younger brother got into a fight, and the cops were called even though it wasn’t necessary. It was just what was supposed to happen in that circumstance.

He even had to go to court over the issue and pay a fine, which was kinda sad since he was the one who was beaten up.

Esthier on September 23, 2008 at 3:22 PM

It’s amazing what kids are allowed to wear to school. My first thought is that the shirt is a home grown lettered mess, but I’m seen worse that that in the hallways. Pro-gay life style shirts are worn in school, so how can this be any more offensive? Your kids are bombarded by the gay sex sect in public schools, but heaven forbid they trash any candidate on a t-shirt.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

*shrugs*
*drinks*

Hening on September 23, 2008 at 3:22 PM

The only interesting thing I found in this video was the last name of the reporter.

anuts on September 23, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Wow, that is one shitty t-shirt.

Seixon on September 23, 2008 at 3:26 PM

When I was 11, you couldn’t tear me away from the Watergate hearings.
john1schn on September 23, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Right. You and every other boy from 11-45. Maureen Dean, and her famous tight pink sweater, in the television view frame the entire time her husband testified.

Blake on September 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM

. Jaybird said, “Mom, I think I was Hannibal in a past life.” Sultry Beauty on September 23, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Some retard is teaching Jaybird reincarnation.

saved on September 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Esthier on September 23, 2008 at 3:22 PM

Parker CO, bedroom community for Denver…

But the real point here is when you start Punishing Free Speech the same as you punish violence, then you have problems… and its not what we as Americans should be teaching our children, in our schools.

Romeo13 on September 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Cop Killing shirt – Check
Gay Agenda shirt – Check
Atheist Shirt – Check
Gangster Rap shirt with half-naked women – Check
“O change” shirt – Check

Factual shirt pointing out Obama’s long-time friendship with a terrorist who planned bombing the Pentagon, Capitol, and NY Police HQ – EXPELLED!

marklmail on September 23, 2008 at 3:29 PM

P.S. Let’s see what the “journalists” say about this in the MSM.

marklmail on September 23, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Before finishing all the comments, I want to jump in and refute something. When I was in 5th grade, Clinton was making his first presidential bid. My school had mock elections, and even surrogate campaigns. I was co-chair of Clinton’s campaign – and we took it seriously. We had to get our fellow students “registered,” we made posters, had debates, everything. I was into that sort of things back then (I also did student government). So was my best friend at the time. We were 9 and 10. No, it wasn’t influence from our parents (my mom hated Bill and his parents were Libertarians who campiagned for Perot or someone like that, long time ago), and yes, we were major nerds. Yes, I still am one too.

About the shirt – stick to buttons/pins. A more succinct way to get your point accross, without distracting the teachers.

Anna on September 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM

But the real point here is when you start Punishing Free Speech the same as you punish violence, then you have problems… and its not what we as Americans should be teaching our children, in our schools.

Romeo13 on September 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM

I agree. The mentality that equates the two is the same mentality in charge of those organizations that took Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant to court in Canada.

Esthier on September 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Interesting, you point to a court case… while I asked about the CONSTITUTION.

Who cares what YOU ASKED FOR. That is the case law. Keep pissing in the wind.

As to calling the cops, I just checked, there were 9 fights at my X Girlfreinds school…. she teaches Middle School in Colorado… not a single one had the cops called on them.

So, your point?

The obvious. Your limited and anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. Not everyone attends your girlfriend’s middle school. Does that really need to be said?

Blake on September 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM

First the kid needs a proper diet
Second his father needs a proper diet
Third the kid needs to learn how to respect authority
Fourth the father needs to learn how to respect authority
Fifth the dad needs to learn how to make a protest shirt
Sixth the kid should get an F for how poorly that shirt looks
Seventh at his age their is no free speech, sit down and listen
Eighth let’s see this kids grades, if he is straight A’s I may give him a pass
Ninth if this kid is in the bottom 1/2 of class his father should be arrested for lack of parental guidance
and Tenth…this is why teachers are underpaid, to put up with this crap.

right2bright on September 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM

According to AP’s dictionary of political losers, he spelled Obama wrong – it is P-A-L-I-N.

Fuquay Steve on September 23, 2008 at 3:36 PM

The obvious. Your limited and anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. Not everyone attends your girlfriend’s middle school. Does that really need to be said?

Blake on September 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Excuse me, but resonable people, when directly answering a question asked, answer the QUESTION.

Your premise that this T-shirt can be banned due to it being a disruption, is directly contradicted by not only years of raising my own children IN COLORADO, but also directly contradicted by my anecdotal evidence, from a place VERY VERY close to Aurora COLORADO, where this incidicent took place.

So, please continue to defend your opinion, cause ya know, thats what FREE SPEECH is all about… the idea you can continue to speak, no matter how wrong you are.

Romeo13 on September 23, 2008 at 3:42 PM

First the kid needs a proper diet
Second his father needs a proper diet
Third the kid needs to learn how to respect authority
Fourth the father needs to learn how to respect authority
Fifth the dad needs to learn how to make a protest shirt
Sixth the kid should get an F for how poorly that shirt looks
Seventh at his age their is no free speech, sit down and listen
Eighth let’s see this kids grades, if he is straight A’s I may give him a pass
Ninth if this kid is in the bottom 1/2 of class his father should be arrested for lack of parental guidance
and Tenth…this is why teachers are underpaid, to put up with this crap.

right2bright on September 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM
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It is not possible to explain the situation better than this.

A+++++++++ for you sir/madam.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 3:45 PM

I agree. The mentality that equates the two is the same mentality in charge of those organizations that took Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant to court in Canada.

Esthier on September 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Hey Dave…here’s something you can comment on and have some kind of credence. I’m sure it’ll still be pathetic, but let it fly Oh Great Canadian LibTard of the North!!

BigWyo on September 23, 2008 at 3:45 PM

I agree. The mentality that equates the two is the same mentality in charge of those organizations that took Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant to court in Canada.

Esthier on September 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Hey Dave…here’s something you can comment on and have some kind of credence. I’m sure it’ll still be pathetic, but let it fly Oh Great Canadian LibTard of the North!!

BigWyo on September 23, 2008 at 3:45 PM
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Sure, I’ll indulge your little dorky fantasy to interact with me.

My answer is: Apples, oranges.

Was it good for you? Need a smoke?

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 3:46 PM

The whole “[willful] disobedience” bit is a non-starter – he disobeyed an unconstitutional order, which is his right.

ChePibe on September 23, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Exactly: but the schoolmen are petty tyrants who brooke no disrespect. To them, or their party.

Tzetzes on September 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM

About the shirt – stick to buttons/pins. A more succinct way to get your point accross, without distracting the teachers.

Anna on September 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Fifth-graders don’t have the right to vote. I don’t see the point in allowing political messages in the classroom be it from porky students who (rightly) understand that Obama is a terrorist enabler or from the teachers and their NEA propaganda machine.

highhopes on September 23, 2008 at 3:51 PM

zzzzzzzzzzzz

Parent, please grow up.

School, stop teaching kids that I’m OK and you’re OK except when you are not OK according to the OK approval board.

Limerick on September 23, 2008 at 3:52 PM

highhopes on September 23, 2008 at 3:51 PM

You’re right, in that they don’t have the right to vote. But children do have the capacity to understand adult concepts, and they have the ability to express themselves – within reason. A shirt at that age is overkill, but a round button on the backpack? I’d let my children do that.

Until the teachers can hold their tongues when it comes to political expression in public schools, I respect and support those children who seek to go against that trend – again, within reason. I’m glad this boy’s heart is in the right place, but I’d have advocated a different delivery system.

Anna on September 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Excuse me, but resonable people, when directly answering a question asked, answer the QUESTION.

One, you’re not reasonable. Two, sorry you didn’t get the answer you wanted, but tough. That is the answer. Deal with it. Three, are you in FIFTH GRADE,too? What’s with all your BIZARRE capitalization?

Your premise that this T-shirt can be banned due to it being a disruption, is directly contradicted by not only years of raising my own children IN COLORADO, but also directly contradicted by my anecdotal evidence, from a place VERY VERY close to Aurora COLORADO, where this incidicent took place.

Who cares? The courts won’t.

So, please continue to defend your opinion, cause ya know, thats what FREE SPEECH is all about… the idea you can continue to speak, no matter how wrong you are.

You appear to have difficulty identifying the issues: We are not talking about adults and their right to free political speech in a public forum. The issue is whether a school can reasonably conclude that a ten year old running around with a t-shirt claiming Obama is a terrorist’s best friend will materially and substantially disrupt the work and discipline of the school. That you believe they can’t, only shows your lack of judgment.

Blake on September 23, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Right. You and every other boy from 11-45. Maureen Dean, and her famous tight pink sweater, in the television view frame the entire time her husband testified.

Blake on September 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM

I don’t actually remember that part (blushes)….

Now I have to go to youtube.com and check it out…

john1schn on September 23, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Was it good for you? Need a smoke?

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 3:46 PM

So what you’re saying is that not only are you unqualified to run your mouth on our government policies, but you also can offer no comment on your own. Nice effort. You should start a thread on KOs pertaining to your mighty fine ‘Human Rights Councils’. Maybe some of those retards can give you a few talking points on the subject.

BTW, I think they should have told him to take it off and if he said no, he should have been sent home…Schools should have a right to enforce some kind of dress code.

BigWyo on September 23, 2008 at 4:28 PM

So what you’re saying is that not only are you unqualified to run your mouth on our government policies, but you also can offer no comment on your own. Nice effort. You should start a thread on KOs pertaining to your mighty fine ‘Human Rights Councils’. Maybe some of those retards can give you a few talking points on the subject.

BTW, I think they should have told him to take it off and if he said no, he should have been sent home…Schools should have a right to enforce some kind of dress code.

BigWyo on September 23, 2008 at 4:28 PM
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I did answer you. It’s not my problem if you don’t understand what apples and oranges mean.

And now you must be freaking out because you agree with me that the shirt was inappropriate.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 4:32 PM

right2bright on September 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Now there’s some insightful writing. Allow me reduce that to its essence:

Shut up and quit making a fuss, fatty! Why? Because you’re too young to think about serious stuff. How do I know? Because I can split atoms – with my mind.

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What slays me is that everyone insists that 5th graders can’t (or at least usually can’t) understand political issues. I disagree, but assuming that’s the case, just who is this shirt supposed to disturb? If the 5th graders don’t “get it” that just leaves the teachers, yes?

Or perhaps I’m supposed to believe that our highly professional educators can’t handle the sight of a shirt that says bad things about their favored candidate? Ridiculous.

If the parameters of the assignment specifically exclude political speech he’s in the wrong. If the school has a dress code he’s violating, he’s in the wrong. Otherwise, this “it’s disruptive” silliness doesn’t hold water and there’s nothing but naked political hostility on the part of the school at play.

PS. Public school teachers are underpaid? Really? Based on the quality of their work I beg to differ.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Wade on September 23, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 2:07 PM

You guys forgot to call the kid a RAAAAAAAAAAAACIST !

How much do they pay you O-bots anyway? And is it flat rate, hourly, piecework by word, or by the keystroke?

Don’t tell me you nummies are doing this pro-bono ! SHOCKAH!

RocketmanBob on September 23, 2008 at 4:45 PM

You guys forgot to call the kid a RAAAAAAAAAAAACIST !

How much do they pay you O-bots anyway? And is it flat rate, hourly, piecework by word, or by the keystroke?

Don’t tell me you nummies are doing this pro-bono ! SHOCKAH!

RocketmanBob on September 23, 2008 at 4:45 PM
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Wtf is your problem? The kid’s not a racist.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Just another sad case of parents using their kids for political purposes.

For shame.

Constant Parrhesia on September 23, 2008 at 4:48 PM

saved on September 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM

So you think all Hindus are retarded saved? That’s good to know.

Sultry Beauty on September 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM

I wouldn’t let my child wear the shirt to school. But, to say that the kid doesn’t have strong political feelings is probably unfair. My son who was in 3rd grade during the 2004 election followed that election extremely closely. More closely than most adults which is sad to say. I got a note from his teacher one day saying that he had explained to the class how the electoral college works. He is now in the 7th grade and he watched every night of both conventions religously. He could watch polical coverage on Fox all day if I would let him. He is on his schools academic team and he always gets all the answers that have anything to do with politics or the supreme court. He loves it.

conservativemama on September 23, 2008 at 5:27 PM

right2bright on September 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM

There’s a lot of little dictator Napoleon types around here itemizing what kids and adults should or shouldn’t be doing. Same ones saying that the father’s guilty of telling his kid what he can and can’t do. Hmmm. I always thought Napoleon should have stuck to what he did best, dressing in really nice feminine clothing.

Sultry Beauty on September 23, 2008 at 5:29 PM

I’m glad this boy’s heart is in the right place, but I’d have advocated a different delivery system.

Anna on September 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM

I’d only advocate a better shirt. Then again, I didn’t get along with teachers when I was just a little older than he is. I had to correct my own teacher more than once and had a really hard time respecting any of them after that. So I’m probably not the best person to ask in this situation.

Then again, my husband made four teachers cry, so we might have to home school by the time we have school age kids.

PS. Public school teachers are underpaid? Really? Based on the quality of their work I beg to differ.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Sorry to any teachers here, but I have to agree. The average starting pay for someone straight out of college is extremely high for teachers. I know of few other places you could get that much and none with the same kind of perks, specifically time off.

Esthier on September 23, 2008 at 5:30 PM

“Dave Rywall” (aka “Kent Allard” ) isn’t an O-bot, just a Canadian of low intelligence who is a Classic Troll: no intelligent contributions, only insults and attacks

He writes at a “Grade 10″ level, as they say Up North, and can’t handle abstract reasoning very well. If you feed him, he will bring your ideas down to his level, and hope to trade insults with you

You gotta ask yourself: what sort of jerk throws itself into a conversation with insults, hoping to get insulted? He brings no ideas or information, only dreck

narcissism and masochism, together again…..

Janos Hunyadi on September 23, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Sue, Billy. Sue like the wind.

You crack me up AP.

silverfox on September 23, 2008 at 5:56 PM

Do public schools fall under restrictions about the teaching of religion to students? — Yes.

Are teachers restricted from espousing their personal political views into classroom discussions? — ???

Here’s my slant on this; if there are no strict guidelines that prevent a teacher from giving their personal political views in class, then this kid gets to wear the shirt. Aren’t kids allowed to wear Che Guevara shirts in school (I know they are, I’ve seen middle schoolers with them on)? IHowever, if the policy is such that public schools should be free of partisan political statements, and its enforced (without being overturned by the SCotUS), then the kid needs to leave the shirt at home. Either way, I don’t care that much, I just care that the law/rule is applied equally.

Having said that, I don’t believe that citizenship has an age limitation. Apparently, the children of illegal aliens born in this country are citizens and afforded the rights and protections of US citizens, why aren’t those rights being bestowed upon an 11 year old born in this nation? My children are US citizens, and I’m pretty sure that their rights are guaranteed. Are posters here saying that children are no longer members of “…the people…”?

When I was in high school, there were kids that had candidate’s bumper stickers on their lockers. The stickers were not removed unless the lockers were being re-painted or at the end of the school year. I don’t think there should be a differentiation between any student sub-18, since they are all minors with the regards to voting.

Oh, and to those that are berating the father of the 11 year old…pretty much you’re saying they are using their kid. Yep, they have brainwashed them with their ideals, morals, and ideas. He might take the kid fishing, or hunting, or watch football games with him, take him to monster truck shows, watch movies with him, take him to a church of the dad’s choice…it all boils down to a parent instilling in their kid the values they want passed on. The kids will sometimes take on those values for the rest of their lives, and sometimes they throw them off. In essence, it could be said that all children are in part a reflection of their parents. Did your parents not instill their values in you? Whether you agree with this man’s views or not, it sounds like he has a relationship with his son in which he has instilled a value system and at least partially explained the kid about our rights. That’s better than a lot of parents I’ve seen.

I’d bet that those calling this man names don’t have children of their own.

Geministorm on September 23, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Sultry Beauty on September 23, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Sorry, be a little more specific. Are you posting me because you agree or don’t agree.
If you don’t agree, then you will hate this.
5th grade students should be worrying about who is going to beat them up after school
Worrying about if they are going to lose all their marbles playing marbles
Worrying about why they are always picked last
Wondering what the big deal about girls is
Wondering if the Cubs or the Yankees are going to choose them on their little league team
Why does Paul’s mom make him a better lunch
I hate gym because we have to take showers with other boys and I am embarrassed of…
Why do the kids make fun of me
Why isn’t Dave talking to me
Bob is a cool guy
I want to be an astronaut, baseball player, guitar player…
I don’t want the teacher to call on me
Those are just some of the things a 5th grader should worry about…not who is president, and who supports terrorism…
Here is a novel idea…let kids be kids…

right2bright on September 23, 2008 at 6:19 PM

I don’t really care what the political message is, if the restrictions are only applied to those that differ from the views the administration hold, then the kid/parents should sue the school’s a$$ off. Either all children have a right to free speech or none do and neither do the teachers.

My youngest (6) daughter came home and asked why I wasn’t voting for Obama. She said I needed to vote for Obama because then we would have our first black president. I wonder where she got that little thought put into her head? I shouldn’t have to re-work my daughters’ thoughts every time she comes home from school, political ideologies have no place in the classroom. Teachers in public schools are public servants, that means that my children learn their politics from me or from discussions with their peers, not from their instructors.

The shirt isn’t inflammatory (is it?) so, the kid gets to wear the shirt in my book.

Geministorm on September 23, 2008 at 6:24 PM

I’d bet that those calling this man names don’t have children of their own.

Geministorm on September 23, 2008 at 6:14 PM

I’ll bet I do…this father is an idiot.
Kids are kids, they should worry about kid things.
Yes and both of my kids are just fine; graduated from pretty good Universities, then both graduated from a tier one law school, both attorneys, passed the Calif bar, and several other states.
And when they were kids, they did kid things. As they became adults, they did adult things.
I assure you, this kid with the t-shirt is lucky to have a C average, I would bet that being in the 5th grade he reads at a 3rd grade level.
So you tell me, wearing a shirt does what good???

right2bright on September 23, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Is DU making death threats to his parents yet?

Speedwagon82 on September 23, 2008 at 6:27 PM

right2bright on September 23, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Do you have children?

I have taken my kids with me every time I’ve gone to vote (local, state and national elections). Each time, they come to the desk with me and watch who I and their mother vote for and then they get an, “I voted” sticker on the way out. Teaching our kids about their civic duty is extremely important. So, contrary to your statement, I think that it is absolutely critical to not only teach our kids about policies, rights and duties, but also about *how to determine who to vote for*. I don’t want my children to vote for someone because they are handsome, young, tall, female/male, or any of that crap. They need to learn how to make smart choices based upon candidate’s history and statements about what they stand for and what they’ll do. I discuss nearly daily with my kids about politics and the impact that things like the elections will have on not just my life, but theirs’ as well.

If you want smarter voters, it begins early, my friend. Teach your children how to make smart/good choices or better, to do public service, and our country will benefit from it.

Geministorm on September 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM

So you tell me, wearing a shirt does what good???

None, unless its calling attention to biased administrators in a school system. If the administration looks the other way while their teachers teach or students wear _________ (fill in the blank) clothing, but someone that espouses (geez, I’m using that word a lot today) a different view is punished, then that situation needs to be addressed and fixed. Calling attention to this problem may embarrass the school system enough to apply the rules evenly, and that would be a good thing.

Geministorm on September 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM

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