Video: Catholic Vote’s new pro-life ad
posted at 5:51 pm on September 23, 2008 by Allahpundit
A late afternoon palate cleanser, courtesy of half a dozen tipsters. Neither ticket is formally endorsed, of course, but given that they’re featuring a quote on their donation page from a guy who recently tangled with Biden and Pelosi on abortion, it ain’t exactly a religious mystery as to which side they prefer.
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AS drywall slinks into the background…
right2bright on September 23, 2008 at 7:44 PM
There were two flags raised at Iwo Jima, the first was a smaller flag that Pvt. Charlo helped raise. The second, most famous raising of the larger flag was done with the help of USMC Corporal Bradley, as shown in this diagram.
Loxodonta on September 23, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Canuck douchebag.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 7:47 PM
I found the corresponding YouTube video for this Flash clip. I posted a link to it on my blog (if any of you want to e-mail someone else a link).
My collie says:
CyberCipher on September 23, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Good God, Dobson is not a Catholic. Dobson’s followers do vote against abortion, unlike most Catholics.
jay12 on September 23, 2008 at 7:53 PM
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Without Life, there can be no Liberty or pursuit of Happiness.
Without Life, there is nothing left but grave implications.
Loxodonta on September 23, 2008 at 7:54 PM
OK, I might have to retract my insult – is this music from Lord of the Rings? Please say no.
Oh, my goodness, is that moving.
Jaibones on September 23, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Beautiful. The wife and I got weepy.
More, more, more.
29Victor on September 23, 2008 at 7:56 PM
I was just thinking to myself, “I wish Jews would have the courage to make an ad like this,” and that frame popped up.
Thank you, U.S. Catholics! We stand with you, for life! L’chaim!
Alouette on September 23, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Halleluiah!!!!
Yes, but it is also a statement to the liberal Catholics who will already be going and voting, and who will overlook their obligation to vote for life first and foremost.
I have been attending a series on the Bishops’ document “Faithful Citizenship” at one of the parishes in my area. There are a lot of Catholics who are and want to continue to support Obama. They were begging the priest who is doing the class to give them a legitimate reason to justify their vote. He wouldn’t but he also would not admit that there is none. (Not all of our clergy is as strong as those who have finally stepped up.) But the liberals are all laying their hopes and eternal souls on the whole ‘proportionate reason’ thing. That gives them an out if they can come up with one. Unfortunately, as Bishop Vasa, of Oregon, boldly said, there is not one. They don’t like it, but it’s a fact of Church teaching. This ad is, most of all, to remind those Catholics of this fact.
Any others that it brings is all the better.
pannw on September 23, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Thanks. I just switched my HotAir member link to that video.
I’m Catholic and I vote.
Loxodonta on September 23, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Dont be a douchebag. You know what I mean.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Awesome. Half an hour after watching and I’m still teary.
Connie on September 23, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Alouette?
Connie on September 23, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Oui, c’est moi.
Alouette on September 23, 2008 at 8:15 PM
If I’m a baptist, can I still get in on this?
(awesome vid but a little sad they didn’t kind of recognize the millions of protestant christians working tirelessly on this issue with them…eh…anyway, I’m not picky.)
:o)
Mommypundit on September 23, 2008 at 8:15 PM
OMG, that was
DAMNdarn good!MsDollie on September 23, 2008 at 8:18 PM
http://www.40daysforlife.com
This starts tomorrow. Prayer and fasting and vigils at Abortion clinics all to raise awareness before election…there is a nice, tiny Planned Parenthood on the street right below my house. Pretty neat, huh? At any rate, tomorrow through October 4, churches all around will be praying on the sidewalk in front of this clinic. Check out if your area is participating in this international event.
Mommypundit on September 23, 2008 at 8:24 PM
I became Catholic a year and a half ago and I have chills. “Vote your conscience” people. Vote for life. If we don’t protect innocent life what do we have?
gemchick on September 23, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Thanks AP – you are now off my s*** list. Well done.
Fuquay Steve on September 23, 2008 at 8:31 PM
This election day, vote your conscience, fight evil, save the sanctity of humanity, show God your humility and devotion, do good, banish evil from this nation……
Vote Republican
That ad had me teared up pretty good.
Hening on September 23, 2008 at 8:35 PM
This is the third time I’ve watched this video and it still brings tears to my eyes. Beautiful. Very moving.
kellyjane on September 23, 2008 at 8:35 PM
This was a powerful ad! 2nd time I have seen it and was blown away each time. This doesn’t need to be shortened – for to do so would make its message less effective. I’m a Christian (not Catholic) and I approved this message!
Neocon Peg on September 23, 2008 at 8:37 PM
WOW two of them were Catholic, so all of them must be Catholic. Amazing!
Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Sort of like saying: Rywall’s a douchebag, so I guess all canucks are douchebags. This, of course, is not true. All canucks are not douchebags. Only YOU.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 8:45 PM
I am Catholic and that ad totally blew me away. I’ve never seen anything so effective.
My 16 yo, Catholic-schooled, thought that it was ineffective at reaching non-Catholics. When I explained that the target audience is Catholics, he found it very effective.
Have to go and track down the link so that I can send it to all of the Catholics I know and hope that it is forwarded to the ones I don’t know.
obladioblada on September 23, 2008 at 8:49 PM
All of the Iwo Jima Flag Raisers were Americans, and our flag symbolizes not only our nation, but all Americans. The raising of the flag in that place and on that day required the sacrifice of far too many American heroes. And every American can identify with them. To paraphrase Lincoln:
In a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — that ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled there, have consecrated it, far above any troll’s poor power to detract.
Loxodonta on September 23, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Why do you have to be such a jerk? Seriously, what pleasure do you gain from being obnoxious? Who said they were all Catholic? All those football players praying weren’t Catholic either, but that doesn’t mean they have no place in this. They are all human beings and have a stake in this election.
But anyway…
Regarding the Democratic ballot on the table, it has been so long since I’ve voted with an actual ballot sheet that I can’t remember how it works. But, it gave me the impression that it was saying don’t vote dem. Leave that ballot on the table and put the Republican one in the slot. I don’t know, but that’s the way I saw it.
pannw on September 23, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Who are the men in the purple-feathered hats, shown right after the frame with the Hasidic Jews? Protestant or Catholic?
Alouette on September 23, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Powerful.
Gaunilon on September 23, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Alouette: they’re Knights of Columbus. Catholic.
Gaunilon on September 23, 2008 at 9:01 PM
The message is beyond powerful; the effect (on me at least), downright humbling. This has got to be the most convincing argument ever about the dangers of conducting politics in a moral vacuum.
I’m overcome with pride that I’m an American and gratitude that Dave Rywall is not.
grits on September 23, 2008 at 9:02 PM
You are spot on! +1
Neocon Peg on September 23, 2008 at 9:03 PM
This is what it’s all about.
gator70 on September 23, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Knights of Columbus, a lay Catholic charitable organization.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Yes we vote & don’t let the democratic cafeteria Catholics fool you…there was never a doubt which way we are voting…this is simply a reminder…
DCJeff on September 23, 2008 at 9:19 PM
OK, I have viewed this ad a third time, and I am no longer inclined to post any more snarky comments like I do everywhere else. It’s got the power to motivate apathetic Catholics. I’ll send it out to the Catholics I know, especially in lib states like CT and NY. Do we dare expect any more miracles?
jay12 on September 23, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Yes…that you are serious. Are you?
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 9:21 PM
ManlyRash, thanks for acknowleding all canucks aren’t like drywall. Matter of fact I don’t know any Canadians like that thing…well, besides the ones that work for CBC.
God bless America and Canada
Prime Minister Stephen Harper majority October 14,’08
McCain/Palin landslide November 4, ’08
Let freedom reign
kellyjane on September 23, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I found this on Youtube the other day, and have posted it to both Myspace and Facebook accounts. It’s an extremely powerful vid, very moving. Educational for Catholics and non-Catholics alike.
karmatis on September 23, 2008 at 9:24 PM
My good friend just forwarded this video to me. I came here to make sure that it was given coverage. I am so glad that you have posted this. I think it is outstanding. I am not Catholic and am not necessarily very religious, but this brings out the essence of what we should be fighting for. This in my opinion is beautifully done.
Aggie85 on September 23, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Anyone who thinks this ad will change any minds is sniffing some kind of industrial solvent.
People are scared sh*tless about their financial future and the American economy that has been royally fu*ked mostly by the Republicans and to a much lesser degree by the Democrats; THAT is what this election is turning out to be about. The abortion issue couldn’t possibly be more on the back burner.
So you can parade around the town square all you like and hurrah that this is an amazing powerful ad, but its subject matter has fallen off just about everybody’s radar screen, displaced by real issues that are far more important to Americans’ survival.
Next.
Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Ever heard of Gordon Sinclair?
God bless you all.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 9:37 PM
You are ever the obtuse canuck douchebag, Dave. Crawl out from under the DKos bridge and do a little more research. The crisis can be laid squarely at the feet of the Democrat party – just as Canada’s current socialist woes can be laid at the feel of liberal trolls such as yourself.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 9:40 PM
That was beautiful. I also am not Catholic, but it’s true that the things I value most are on the line in this election, and this clip captured the essence well.
The music wasn’t from Lord of the Rings, but it really reminded me of Sam’s answer when Frodo asked, “What are we holding onto?”
That there some good in this world. And it’s worth fightin’ for.
We mustn’t give up. We can’t.
justincase on September 23, 2008 at 9:43 PM
IMO, Dave Rywall is like Johnny Ringo in Tombstone:
Wyatt Earp: What makes a man like Ringo, Doc? What makes him do the things he does?
Doc Holliday: A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.
Wyatt Earp: What does he need?
Doc Holliday: Revenge.
Wyatt Earp: For what?
Doc Holliday: Bein’ born.
Mr_Magoo on September 23, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Dave at 9:35pm
I honestly would fear living in a prosperous America that didn’t cherish freedom and life than to die in a nuclear bomb OR be pushed out of my home.
There are no greater issues than these. Period. What good is a house if you have no soul?
justincase on September 23, 2008 at 9:45 PM
These are extreme views, similar to those held by Palin, and they must be stopped.
But seriously, why are people always so offended by “family values?” Why is their response so extreme when all that is being suggested are the basic rules of goodness and kindess.
sheesh on September 23, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Amazing!
I cried too. It made their argument better than any words could.
PattyJ on September 23, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Wooftiful por signafi, dirkgag?
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 23, 2008 at 9:47 PM
You are ever the obtuse canuck douchebag, Dave. Crawl out from under the DKos bridge and do a little more research. The crisis can be laid squarely at the feet of the Democrat party – just as Canada’s current socialist woes can be laid at the feel of liberal trolls such as yourself.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 9:40 PM
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Ha ha ha now you’re a comedian. Why don’t you mix yourself some more koolaid. I might have a douchebag lying around that you can borrow to mix it in.
Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 9:48 PM
I’m am a practicing Catholic and understand what my duties are as a voting American.
I don’t care if gas goes to $100 per gallon. I don’t understand utilitarians like Obama and all pro-abortion fake Catholics who think murder is cool for convenience.
I do know this. Even if murdering any one of you on this blog cured every disease known to man, I’d still be WRONG to do it. You want to give up your life voluntarily to cure every disease known to man, that is wonderful, and a great sacrifice.
Christ gives you the Cross. You either pick it up and struggle for God and live the Christian life knowing this world can never be perfect, or give up and live comfortably numb.
This add takes me for awhile out of my numbness. Thanks.
The ends don’t justify the means.
Sapwolf on September 23, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Dave, why do you even care what goes on in America? I don’t get it. I really don’t. What could possibly be your motivation for being the way you are? Can you explain yourself at all. Why do you exist? Will this be your contribution to the world?
Mr_Magoo on September 23, 2008 at 9:52 PM
I’m a Jewish born Protestant(this week) and that ad made me want to go Mass.
Wow!
Btw Mr. Drywall-Mike Strank, John Bradley, Rene Gagnon, and possibly Ira Hayes were Catholics.
Not that it matters.
My PROTESTANT USMC veteran husband found the Flagraising footage to be very apropo in this ad!
annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Well said. You understood what the authors of this video were trying to get across.
Mr_Magoo on September 23, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Dave Rywall, better to light a single candle than curse the darkness.
We love this clip because it reminds us that we would live and die for each other, and that includes you, even if you would choose to mock or belittle us for that very thing. It’s what our Constiution is about but even more than that, as Christians, it’s what our Savior did for us – died for us while we were spitting on Him. There’s no greater love than that.
I hope you can see that that’s what this is really about. It’s not about politics, not about gotchas. It’s about love for all human life. It really is a beautiful thing, and I hope you can see it for what it is.
justincase on September 23, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Dave, why do you even care what goes on in America? I don’t get it. I really don’t. What could possibly be your motivation for being the way you are? Can you explain yourself at all. Why do you exist? Will this be your contribution to the world?
Mr_Magoo on September 23, 2008 at 9:52 PM
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Why am I here? Mostly, I help you yahoos believe even more firmly in your beliefs that your mindset and your opinions are completely right.
The record shows I call bullsh*t on both sides of the aisle and 90% of you do not. This is a right wing site, but the lack of objectivity and the size of the party blinders is ridiculous.
But sometimes, very rarely, I change a few of your minds. None of you would ever admit it, but it happens. That’s why I come here.
If you don’t like that I’m here, ask Ed to ban me.
Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 10:01 PM
I did not ask you why you are here. You avoided all my questions. Maybe they require too much introspection.
Why do you even care what goes on in America?
What could possibly be your motivation for being the way you are?
Can you explain yourself at all.
Why do you exist?
Will this be your contribution to the world?
Mr_Magoo on September 23, 2008 at 10:06 PM
I would never ask that of anyone. I would just like some honest answers, that’s all.
Mr_Magoo on September 23, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Fantastic! What a great message for all of us.
Pat in NC on September 23, 2008 at 10:13 PM
The record shows that you are a snide, self-satisfied, ignorant liberal douchebag foreigner who very likely achieves auto-fellated orgasm after reading responses to his calculatedly offensive remarks.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 10:15 PM
America affects the rest of the world. The rest of us don’t like it when you guys screw up our lives with what you do.
Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Even though I’m a lifelong Protestant, I’ve always repected the moral positions taken and advocated by Pope JP2 and Pope Benedict XVI (as far as I’m concerned, Protestants and Catholics haven’t been enemies for centuries). Since Catholics look to the Pope as God’s leader of the Church on earth, it seems to me (as one on the outside looking in) that any person professing to be a Catholic should follow the popes direction and edicts. In other words, any one who claims to be a Catholic yet declares abortion to be acceptable IS NO CATHOLIC. Can my Catholic friends here enlighten me in any way?
brushman on September 23, 2008 at 10:23 PM
LOL.
Too bad…we own the planet (and the moon). Get used to it.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 10:24 PM
LOL.
Too bad…we own the planet (and the moon). Get used to it.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 10:24 PM
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It’s attitudes like this that make the rest of the world love Americans.
Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 10:26 PM
The record shows that you are a snide, self-satisfied, ignorant liberal douchebag foreigner who very likely achieves auto-fellated orgasm after reading responses to his calculatedly offensive remarks.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 10:15 PM
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You sure make a lot of gay references on this site, Maverick. Anything you want to confess her to your fellow Hotair pals? You gotta be you. Let it out, sister.
Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Yes they do, and more importantly, people who waver between one side or the other, especially on the issue of LIFE, eventually make a decision. There are the independents or Democrats who need a reason to believe in the Republican party–and this LIFE issue will help.
The Pro-Death Party have sought to silence the Pro-Lifers for years. I was one who wavered, but this election, and the example of John McCain’s simple and immediate answer of “conception” when asked when life begins–and Sarah Palin’s unabashed Pro-Life stance and Pro-Life decisions, combined with my own research into abortion, have place me firmly in the LIFE camp.
Add to that the mind-boggling and unforgivable hypocrisy of the Left on what life the hold SACRED and what life they would EXTERMINATE for their own convenience (trees vs defenseless babies) and I will NEVER vote for the Party of Death. Ever.
The most powerful image of that video was that of the Firefighters, walking resolutely into the smoke.
No doubt for me–Life. I would never have voted for Obama…true, but this election clarified for me my position on the issue of abortion.
Montana on September 23, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Narcotic blamer.
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 23, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Hey everybody – does a more pitiable person than Dave frequent HA?
What kind of person delights in denigrating another person’s faith? What perverse pleasure do they enjoy? It’s like seeing the “ichthys”, or fish symbol on cars altered to include feet and the word Darwin. It takes a symbol that Christians embrace and deliberately pervert it into something designed to insult Christian beliefs, regardless of your view of evolution.
I actually pity Dave – what happened in his life to fill him with such contempt for the beliefs of others?
brushman on September 23, 2008 at 10:32 PM
LOL. You’re funny, Dave. Not in a ha-ha way, mind you, but in a pathetic, lonely, Jack Londonesque, I’m-hiding-in-the-Klondike-in-the-Unibomber’s-cabin sort of way.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Birth. It was all downhill from there.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 10:35 PM
That was phenomenal. I’m a Catholic cum Protestant but all I can say is AMEN to that ad. I hope I see it a lot here in Nevada.
Mojave Mark on September 23, 2008 at 10:38 PM
I think it was meant to touch hearts Dave. Granted, if you do not have one, you will not be affected.
KW64 on September 23, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Pity aside, Dave…
How dare anybody from Canada lecture Americans on rights and freedom of expression? Your own government hauls people in front of government thugs when the citizen says something deemed offensive (even from the pulpit – no freedom of worship in Canada, I guess). Alas, I see the day coming in this country when the concept of “free speech” is altered to exclude what some government overseer considers to be “hate speech”.
And as far as America’s place in the world, your own country seems to have benefited quite nicely from us hated Yanks: our military protects your sorry a**, we buys billions of dollars of oil from you, we drink the beer and whiskey you make, American tourists spend millions (if not billions) of dollars visiting Canada every year. So if you truly dislike us, shut down the border, reject our money, and build up your own military and protect yourself (of course that would also include a new uniform, one with a large yellow stripe down the back). Dibs on the contract for new rifles made entirely of rubber so they bounce when dropped when the hands are thrown up in surrender.
brushman on September 23, 2008 at 10:47 PM
That, is a great ad!
I wonder if DRywall ever get’s down on his knees and thanks God that his mother didn’t abort him. I for one am happy that she took a more optimistic view of life! He now has a chance to mature and become a credit to the North American continent.
Vince on September 23, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Thats “gets”.
Vince on September 23, 2008 at 10:58 PM
I cannot answer your question. However, I know there is much that is wrong in this world. For example, I am wrong, far too frequently. While I am not a criminal, I forget things, get distracted from what’s important, make wrong choices, and say and do things that I shouldn’t.
What shall be done with me and others who make mistakes, but have not committed mortal crimes, like actually taking an innocent life?
In thinking about your question, I am reminded of the fundamental values I hold sacred, and I use my conscience to guide me. And so, in answer to my own question, I pray that as I forgive the trespasses of others, my trespasses shall also be forgiven.
The Church provides a means for me and other Catholics to confess our sins, do penance, and achieve reconciliation with God.
This ad is a powerful reminder of the fundamental values that Catholics hold sacred, and will help us consider our consciences more carefully before voting.
Loxodonta on September 23, 2008 at 10:59 PM
First I would like to say that this ad (which I don’t think is an accurate enough word) is the most powerful and moving “ad” I’ve ever seen. It looks like there might be some readers still in this thread so I’ve got a question. It might seem stupid or snarky, but it is neither. It is: How does someone become Catholic? I have a better than layman’s understanding (I think) of the structure/history/etc of the Catholic Church, so I know the Rites involved, I mean, how do you “get started?” Is there Sunday School for adults? Do you just go and ask someone before Mass? After? Do you ask the priest? I ask for two reasons: 1) I’m a fairly shy individual, and 2) I really don’t want to step on any toes or do anything improper. Example: My sense of logic tells me that I should approach the priest after the service, but this may well be a big faux-pas for a non-Catholic. I just don’t know. I changed my handle to my email (just lose the http part) if you want to respond that way, but I will also keep this thread open in a tab until I go to bed. So anyway, real question (even if it sounds dumb, which I agree, I think it does), just don’t want to tick anyone off and I think I’m finally ready to take this next step…
T.Paine on September 23, 2008 at 11:00 PM
I repeat myself:
Wyatt Earp: What does he need?
Doc Holliday: Revenge.
Wyatt Earp: For what?
Doc Holliday: Bein’ born.
Mr_Magoo on September 23, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Still waiting Dave.
Mr_Magoo on September 23, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Point taken, Mr_Magoo
brushman on September 23, 2008 at 11:09 PM
How to become a Catholic as an adult:
You can call the parish office and setting up an appointment with the Priest, or ask him for assistance after Mass. In either case, i am sure that he will help you as much as his schedule permits. There are adult catechism classes.
Loxodonta on September 23, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Do you mean “Catholic turned Protestant,” Mark? “Cum” is Latin for “with.” Unless, of course, your wife is Protestant.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 11:17 PM
And if you like a Slavic flavor to your spirituality you can always stop in at a Byzantine Catholic church after one of their liturgies.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Cool, thanks Loxodonta. ManlyRash, huh? Is that the Eastern Orthodox Church? Maybe I don’t have a better than layman’s understanding. Anyway, if it is, I don’t think it’s an option in my small town in Eastern Oregon. Thanks both for the info, guess I know what I’m doing Sunday…
T.Paine on September 23, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Wow! That ad made this agnostic think about going to church… any church.
Yakko77 on September 23, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Not having any religious upbringing, I became a Catholic as an adult. The parish I first attended used inspirational music from many traditions, primarily Catholic of course, but also Protestant & Orthodox, such as this one.
Loxodonta on September 23, 2008 at 11:30 PM
T. Paine
You may approach the parish priest(s) or deacon at any time. There is a learning process that you would go through before baptism and confirmation and mostly anyone would be happy to help you or introduce you to the proper individuals.
Vince on September 23, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Ha! Thanks to Vince too!
What was that about “Ask and ye shall receive…”?
T.Paine on September 23, 2008 at 11:36 PM
T. Paine
I am actually excited for you. This, I am sure, will be a wonderful experience! If you are able to get the EWTN channel on TV, they have excellent Catholic programming and shows that include the viewers through phone calls and email! (EWTN = Eternal Word Television Network)
Vince on September 23, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Nope. Byzantine CATHOLIC. Think of us as Russian Orthodox in union with Rome.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 11:42 PM
There are many traditions within the Catholic Church. For a list of Eastern Catholic Churches, which includes the Byzantine & Coptic, this Wiki short article is a start.
Loxodonta on September 23, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Yep. That’s what the choir is like in our larger churches. Make you think you were already in heaven. In most outward respects we are just like the Orthodox. Neverhteless, our creed is entirely Catholic and we regard the Pope of Rome as the Supreme Pontiff of the Holy Church.
Downside: the Romans don’t trust us and the Orthodox despise us as traitors.
ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 11:47 PM
I actually might stop by a Catholic church tomm.
I’ve always been turned off by the R.C’s Marianism/legalism and infant baptism + I have no problem with the death penalty or contraception.
That said, many years ago I was the official Jew in a Chicago Catholic teen choir…and I was treated wonderfully.
Though I’m a baptised Protestant, I’ll admit…I’m curious.
annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Like this video, we could have come together in NYC this past Monday to rally against the iranian hitler; alas, they did the exact opposite.
McCain/Palin ’08
ex-Democrat on September 23, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Vince, I looked, but it doesn’t appear to be available here. I’ll call the TV folks tomorrow though to make sure. I agree that it’s exciting, and something I’ve thought about for a while. And per M.R.’s comment, I obviously have some learning to do (and maybe some humility to learn also. Hmm, that sounds familiar too). Or maybe my self-so-called great font of knowledge doesn’t quite compare to that of actual, you know, Catholics. Ha! Anyway, thanks for all the info, tips, and support; I think this will be an interesting path to walk down…
Goodnight all!
T.Paine on September 23, 2008 at 11:57 PM
I love the pure homonophy of eastern rite music. Of course, I also love the polyphony of the Catholic & Protestant classics. It’s good to be able to draw from many different voices, singing to the same purpose, for inspiration.
If the Church is to be the Universal Church, it must continue on the path it has taken in my lifetime and reach out to differing traditions.
This is one reason that I think this Catholic Vote 2008 ad is so powerful. While it is centered on Roman Catholic values, it reaches out to America as a whole. On the fundamentals, there really are far more things that unites us than divide us.
Of course, I may just be a hopelessly optimistic old fool, but that’s how I feel.
Loxodonta on September 23, 2008 at 11:59 PM
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