Video: Catholic Vote’s new pro-life ad

posted at 5:51 pm on September 23, 2008 by Allahpundit

A late afternoon palate cleanser, courtesy of half a dozen tipsters. Neither ticket is formally endorsed, of course, but given that they’re featuring a quote on their donation page from a guy who recently tangled with Biden and Pelosi on abortion, it ain’t exactly a religious mystery as to which side they prefer.


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Yakko77 on September 23, 2008 at 11:28 PM

For what it’s worth:

Church is not a Sunday stroll for saints – it’s a hospital for the spiritually ailing. Expect to find spiritually sick people there.

Religion is not a crutch; it’s sherpa to guide you on your journey. Obey the commandments. Above all, love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. Do good. Avoid evil. Don’t judge others before God – you have enough crap on your plate to contend with.

There is evil and suffering in the world; why it happens is not entirely known. But it does happen – to everyone in one form or another. What you do with it will determine whether your life on earth is the Calvary before the resurrection or a prelude to Hell.

There is a hell, but God doesn’t cast you into it. You make that decision in the course of your life – a tree falls in the direction it’s leaning. If you sincerely strive for Heaven the you will get there. If you have no use for heaven then God will respect your wishes and not force upon you something you do not desire. Since Hell is the total absence of the presence of God, then Hell is what remains if you choose not to enter his house.

That’s about it.

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 12:00 AM

I’ve always been turned off by the R.C’s Marianism/legalism and infant baptism – annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2008 at 11:50 PM

If you check out the site ByzCath.org you will find much wonderful information that might answer questions and concerns. Marianism is tricky as it can sometime be carried a bit far by well-meaning people not well schooled in the catechism. The Roman Church tends to be a bit more legalistic than the Byzantine Church.

Check it out!

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 12:05 AM

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Thank you for explaining so beautifully!

obladioblada on September 24, 2008 at 12:06 AM

obladioblada on September 24, 2008 at 12:06 AM

Rather, thank God. I’m just a messenger.

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 12:08 AM

ManlyRash:
Thanks! I will check it out.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 24, 2008 at 12:08 AM

Thanks! I will check it out. – annoyinglittletwerp on September 24, 2008 at 12:08 AM

May the Lord bless thee and keep thee/ May he cause his face to shine always upon thee – for he who truly seeks the face of the Lord shall one day touch it.

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM

I am so grateful for you, my Catholics friends!

That was a beautiful and moving ad. I hope that you are right and this ad will prick the conscience of those who are not quite as faithful but still believe. I hope they will be motivated to vote on family issues.

Besides the Right to Life, protecting Traditional Marriage is on the ballot in California and Arizona and maybe other states as well. You Catholics have strength and power in your numbers. Those of us without those numbers are depending on you!

petunia on September 24, 2008 at 12:18 AM

hey drywall @ 9:48 says, “…I might have a douchebag lying around that you can borrow to mix it in.” and her name is heather mallick.
God bless America…and what’s left of Canada

kellyjane on September 24, 2008 at 12:26 AM

petunia on September 24, 2008 at 12:18 AM

Some have different kinds and colors of wool. But all are His flock. You will find that in Heaven the Lord’s throne is surrounded by Catholics – we are the closest to him, for no reason other than the fact that he has to keep an eye on us. We’re always getting into trouble. :-)

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 12:29 AM

kellyjane on September 24, 2008 at 12:26 AM

Did you see that Gordon Sinclair piece, Kelly?

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 12:30 AM

petunia on September 24, 2008 at 12:18 AM

As you rely on us, we rely on you. This is a big job and will require many hands, tens of millions of them

If you find this ad motivational, you can help by sharing it.

The YouTube links are here and here.

Loxodonta on September 24, 2008 at 12:39 AM

If I’m a baptist, can I still get in on this?

(awesome vid but a little sad they didn’t kind of recognize the millions of protestant christians working tirelessly on this issue with them…eh…anyway, I’m not picky.)

:o)

Mommypundit on September 23, 2008 at 8:15 PM

They did recognize you, and gave you a nod in one of the frames, but the target here are Catholics like myself. The imagery used was obviously designed to tug at my heartstrings — and to remind me of what my faith says is to be done when confronting evil.

As a Baptist, your references would be different. If you want to “get in on this”, I’d say band up with a bunch of your fellow Baptists, make something that tugs at your collective heartstrings even stronger than this did, and put it up. Interestingly, <your denomination>vote.com is available for purchase. Head on over to godaddy.com and do it!

unclesmrgol on September 24, 2008 at 12:40 AM

We’re always getting into trouble. :-)

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 12:29 AM

Let us not forget about causing trouble as well.

And some trouble is very good to get into and to cause.

(And another reminder of heaven for you.)

Loxodonta on September 24, 2008 at 12:42 AM

Loxodonta on September 24, 2008 at 12:42 AM

Subline. Exquisite. ote that the primary liturgical language for the Byzantine Church in the U.S. is English. Some parts of the liturgy are changed in Old Church Slavonic, but mostly everyting else is vernacular and still very beautiful. The entire liturgy is sung and the congrgants sing more of the liturgy than the priest does.

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 12:48 AM

Tired now. Off to bed. God bless us all, everyone.

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 12:49 AM

What Gordon Sinclair piece ManlyRash?
Sorry I missed your post. Goodnight, God bless.

kellyjane on September 24, 2008 at 12:53 AM

oh ManlyRash, you mean this Gordon Sinclair piece? It’s just as true today.
http://www.broadcasting-history.ca/news/unique/am_text.html

kellyjane on September 24, 2008 at 1:10 AM

kellyjane on September 24, 2008 at 1:10 AM

This Gordon Sinclair piece on YouTube.

Loxodonta on September 24, 2008 at 1:22 AM

Stupid. The most important issues aren’t abortion and freaken Gay Marriage. Especially the latter.

The Dean on September 24, 2008 at 2:42 AM

Stupid. The most important issues aren’t abortion and freaken Gay Marriage. Especially the latter.

The Dean on September 24, 2008 at 2:42 AM

Did the ad say they were the most important?

They did say some issues are more important than others, and, quite frankly, without life, all other rights are null and void, and no one is alive to carry on the culture, the family name, and so on.

The protection of living human beings from abortion certainly is an important issue, and, it stands to reason, it is, actually, more important over all, all things considered, than any other single issue in the physical world.

William2006 on September 24, 2008 at 3:58 AM

ManlyRash, thanks for acknowleding all canucks aren’t like drywall. Matter of fact I don’t know any Canadians like that thing…well, besides the ones that work for CBC.
God bless America and Canada
Prime Minister Stephen Harper majority October 14,’08
McCain/Palin landslide November 4, ‘08
Let freedom reign

kellyjane on September 23, 2008 at 9:24 PM

A lot of us are well aware of what wonderful people most Canadians are. Along with the rest of the Anglosphere, they produce some of the best soldiers in the world. A couple of my best friends are Canadian (well, one is from Quebec, but you get the idea). But, in spite of having some of the same type of wackos we have here on the liberal left, I cannot think of a better neighbor than we have to the north.

coyoterex on September 24, 2008 at 4:33 AM

kellyjane on September 23, 2008

I, for one, comfortably assume that Canada has our back and we have yours. May it ever be so.

SKYFOX on September 24, 2008 at 4:54 AM

I have just reminded myself about what happened in Pennsylvania in 2006. A Biden-esque cafeteria Catholic named Bob Casey Jr. unseated a 2-term incumbent and truly pro-life Catholic named Rick Santorum for the office of United States Senate. Catholics in Pennsylvania were fooled and are still being fooled by the Democrats, who claim with much success that their empty suit, Bob Casey Jr., is “pro-life”. A cursory look at Bob Casey’s voting record indicates that he is far from being the pro-life senator that Catholics are still being duped into thinking he is. Living in Pennsylvania, I supported Santorum and predicted that Casey would betray the pro-life movement. The Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania have done nothing and continue to do nothing to expose this fraud.

I am told, however, that Senator Casey attends Mass regularly along with his family of politicians. They receive Holy Communion, light candles for the poor, and admire the statues and stained-glass windows, as well as drop an envelope into the collection basket. So all is right with the world.

jay12 on September 24, 2008 at 9:48 AM

That was a powerful ad. I liked it.
…and I’m atheist.
Lets see:
No verbal narration…check.
Aw inspiring choir music…check.
Respect payed to military…check.
Focus on issues rather than doctrine…check.

I have no complaints. Nice job.

Count to 10 on September 24, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Think the musical background was dramatic enough?

morganfrost on September 23, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Um, anyone have the sound track?

Count to 10 on September 24, 2008 at 10:52 AM

I actually might stop by a Catholic church tomm.
I’ve always been turned off by the R.C’s Marianism/legalism and infant baptism + I have no problem with the death penalty or contraception.
That said, many years ago I was the official Jew in a Chicago Catholic teen choir…and I was treated wonderfully.
Though I’m a baptised Protestant, I’ll admit…I’m curious.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 23, 2008 at 11:50 PM

I’d like to address your concerns about Catholicism one at a time:
Marianism. Mary is a human being who occupies a primal place in the New Testament. She was chosen by God the Father to be the Mother of God (Jesus’ mom) because she was pure (without sin). Nothing in the Bible indicates that she sinned thereafter. We Catholics believe that the Saints (those who have died and gone to Heaven) are living with God and can intercede for us — just as we can intercede for others with our prayers. Mary is one of those saints. Marianism is therefore a manifestation of our belief in eternal life.
Legalism. Wouldn’t you like the tenets of your faith to be spelled out carefully enough that if you are trained in them, you know when you are wrong? The Bible ought to be sufficient, but it isn’t — private interpretation allows each person to construct their own God by ignoring, misinterpreting, or just not reading inconvenient passages. The Church guards against that misinterpretation by prividing a guidebook (the Catechism) and traditions which buttress the main points of Christianity. The Mass has a three year cycle in which the entire Bible is read to the congregation, with the passages grouped to make a point which Jesus considered important. And there are legalisms which some consider important (such as tithing to the church) that Catholicism considers far less important; you don’t tithe in Catholicism, you give alms to the church and you perform charity to others in accordance with your means and ability. I’ll leave this one here — there’s a lot more that could be said on the topic.infant baptism. That’s the way the church functioned from the beginning. When entire families were baptised, does the New Testament say “except for babies”? “Let the little children come unto me.” was Jesus’ commandment, and baptism is the ultimate expression of that commandment. In the Catholic church, baptism is a sacrament and key to salvation, and why deny salvation to even the smallest child? By the way, what is the Biblical formula for baptism — isn’t it just “I baptise you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”? Finally, baptism replaces the circumcision of the Jewish faith — and when is the bris performed?

With respect to ManlyRash’s recruitment folder for the Orthodox Church, it’s worth checking into. But don’t malign Catholicism for behaviors and traditions which spring directly from our Lord and his Apostles.

unclesmrgol on September 24, 2008 at 11:09 AM

I loved the ad. I’m getting to the age where I worry that in the future some officious beaurecrat will decide that the carbon I create could be better used by someone else and frog march me to the euthanasia tube.

Read the book Lord of the World by R.H. Benson for a chilling scenario.

Ellen on September 24, 2008 at 11:10 AM

Hey everybody – does a more pitiable person than Dave frequent HA?

brushman on September 23, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Well, there is always alphie.

Count to 10 on September 24, 2008 at 11:16 AM

The Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania have done nothing and continue to do nothing to expose this fraud. – jay12 on September 24, 2008 at 9:48 AM

You need to reread the Gospels. Concentrate on those portions of the text where Christ speaks. Then give it some thought.

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 11:44 AM

With respect to ManlyRash’s recruitment folder for the Orthodox Church, it’s worth checking into. – unclesmrgol on September 24, 2008 at 11:09 AM

Correction: it is the website for the Byzantine Catholic Church in America. We are in union with Rome. You can lower your weapons and shields. I repeat: we are in union with Rome.

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 11:46 AM

unclesmrgol on September 24, 2008 at 11:09 AM

The Catholic Church includes many who practice ancient Eastern traditions which might seem part of the Orthodox Church, but these churches are actually in communion with the Pope. Among them are the Chaldean, Coptic, Maronite, and Melkite Churches. Another is The Byzantine Catholic Church in America.

Catholics do not come in just one model. However, we do share fundamental values.

jay12 on September 24, 2008 at 9:48 AM

And those of us who have strayed from our fundamental values need to be helped back into the fold.

Loxodonta on September 24, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Loxodonta on September 24, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Many thanks, Lox.

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 12:17 PM

jay12 on September 24, 2008 at 9:48 AM

Sadly, many people sitting in the pews, particularly young ones in the midst of their formation, see this and are led to believe pro-life isn’t that big a deal. How could it be if the priest condones it? Or if the bishop says nothing. This is why they call it scandal. Souls are being led astray and in many cases lost. This is why we are taught we must pray for our priests. Think of the damage to their own souls. When Pope Benedict first addressed us as Pope, the thing I remember above all was his entreaty for us to pray for him. What a horrible and awesome responsibility he and our priests bear. Hell is paved with the skulls of priests.–Saint John Chrysostom. God have mercy on them.

ManlyRash, one of my best friends is Byzantine Rite. She has worked very hard to get a Divine Liturgy (I think that is how you refer to the Mass??) here in our area. They finally have one once a month. She tells me to come with her, because I am one of those who has some problems with the way the Liturgy has been practiced in our area.

Maybe I shouldn’t say anything, but I worry that those who are being drawn to the Mass by this video will find that the awe and majesty that it suggests is not quite as evident in all areas. Don’t get me wrong; they will still find the Real Presence, but the images in this have an atmosphere not always found in many modern Catholic churches. Maybe it is a fault within me, but I believe atmosphere matters. That is why I pass three local ‘faith communities’ to get into the city and attend Mass at a 167 year old church, one with a Crucifix, Tabernacle on the altar, incense and bells in use, pipe organ as opposed to guitars… they even still use the altar rail. I think that is more in line with the feeling from this video. I don’t think it would have been as moving with folk music.

I’m not trying to bash any church and certainly not the Mass in any of it’s legitimate forms, but I don’t want anyone to have unrealistic expectations. /personal opinion

That said, I am happy for anyone moved to explore the Catholic Faith. It has brought me great peace and joy (even if some frustration). I believe it holds the full Truth of Christ with my whole being.

pannw on September 24, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Just embedded it in my own Blog (not that anyone ever reads it).

I was moved, and I’m an Evangelical Baptist. Some things cut right across all lines. This ad was one of them.

wearyman on September 24, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Wow. Very powerful.

eucher on September 24, 2008 at 1:02 PM

That is perhaps the best ad I’ve seen this election season. Powerful.

There are plenty of Byzantines (Orthodox too) in this part of Pennsylvania. There’s a small town of about 1000 people not far from here that has only two churches, directly across the street from each other. One is Byzantine, the other is Orthodox, and both are named the Church of the Dormition. They also share a cemetery.

rightwingprof on September 24, 2008 at 1:16 PM

That was a powerful, 2-hanky ad. Thanks for posting it.

Christine on September 24, 2008 at 1:36 PM

America affects the rest of the world. The rest of us don’t like it when you guys screw up our lives with what you do.

Dave Rywall on September 23, 2008 at 10:16 PM

I want to know how we screwed up YOUR life Dave. And I’m not being annoying, just curious. What did we do? I ask because almost every foreigner I know in this country likes the USA. In fact, they would never consider leaving it if they were here with spouse and/or children.

Sapwolf on September 24, 2008 at 4:45 PM

I loved the ad. I’m getting to the age where I worry that in the future some officious beaurecrat will decide that the carbon I create could be better used by someone else and frog march me to the euthanasia tube.

Read the book Lord of the World by R.H. Benson for a chilling scenario.

Ellen on September 24, 2008 at 11:10 AM

Ellen,

Tell me about it. For some years the inside joke in our family was my older sister who would euthannize animals a lot and left the Catholic Church after her first marriage ended in divorce even though it clearly was not a Catholic marriage (she could get an annulment easy / way to young and foolish at the time). She was one of those for years who was the phony-touchy-feeling more concerned with avoiding pain than embracing pain type.

The joke was that you never sniffled or coughed or took a nap near her cause that overwhelming compassion of her would get you via a pillow over the face if you know what I mean. Ah, the love! Man, I still laugh at my sister, but she’s definitely voting McCain / Palin. She is older and wiser.

Sapwolf on September 24, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Well, that ad made me want to vomit and vote for Obama. I’m not sure which is worse.

thuja on September 24, 2008 at 6:04 PM

This ad is not aimed at people who have no fundamental values which they hold sacred.

Instead, this is aimed at Catholics and like-minded people to remind us of the intersections between our religious beliefs and basic American values. Then it urges us to keep these in mind as we consult our consciences before voting.

I understand that some cannot tolerate such views, but I have faith that many more Americans will be inspired and motivated by them.

Loxodonta on September 24, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Uncle Smrgol:
I didn’t mean to offend you.
I DID talk briefly to a Father at Holy Name Cathedral today.
Tomm I’m going to call my old pastor(church of the Nazarene).
I also checked out that website that ManlyRash recommended.
I live in “Dearbornistan South”-West Rogers Park-and my soul is crying out for a religious home.
This search is far from over.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 24, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Wow, that really touched this Catholic’s heart. What a beautiful positive message – life, faith, family.

Here in Austin we have a lovely Maronite rite church, very Middle Eastern in style with a dynamic pastor and a wonderful liturgy. Though RC, my family and I have been several times because the liturgy is a living connection with the first Christians (Aramaic is used in several parts). They also offer a Byzantine rite Mass once a month but we have yet to go. It is so exciting to introduce my children to the beauty and richness of the other rites in their Catholic faith.

inmypajamas on September 24, 2008 at 8:15 PM

ManlyRash….that was very, VERY well said.

I just can’t get past the whole corrupt Papal hierarchy, though, and this is speaking as a reformed Catholic.

All the selling of indulgences and intercessions.I just got to the point that I couldn’t intellectually justify the many, MANY transgressions of Rome to myself or anyone else.

And save the “faith” argument. “Faith” in MEN is different from faith in God.

God, as you explained him ManlyRash, is an approachable God. And one that I do not need the permission of any overdressed religious CEO to worship.

AND>>>before you jump on me>>>that includes the Megachurch retail religous hucksters, as well. Hagee,that RUBE Joel Osteen…the lot.

Frankly, I see them as no different.

One megachurch is as useless as the next, in my opinion.

Older does mean more legitimate.

As for endorsement>>> if you need a Church to tell you how to VOTE, then clearly you are not reading The Main Manual.

Answers to voting are well explained in the Bible.READ IT FOR YOURSELF.

seejanemom on September 24, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Wonderful ad. I’m not even Catholic but it moved me. I am glad to see the Church getting more active politically. Bishops like Chaput in Denver inspire me. I am very definitely voting pro-life in November.

rockmom on September 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Very powerful presentation, does anyone know where the musical score comes from?

Mattsanchez on September 24, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Very powerful presentation, does anyone know where the musical score comes from?

Mattsanchez on September 24, 2008 at 9:32 PM

I do not know. However, CatholicVote.com is a project of the Fidelis Center for Law & Policy.

Perhaps you can ask them: info@fidelis.org

Loxodonta on September 24, 2008 at 9:50 PM

seejanemom on September 24, 2008 at 8:29 PM

I would like to have faith in God without having to place faith in Men. But how does one do that? Mustn’t one have faith in one’s own experiences and interpretations about God? But doesn’t that mean I must place faith in myself? And aren’t I a Man, a fallible human being?

I had no religious upbringing and never experienced Catholic culture or anti-Catholic prejudices. However, when I considered becoming a Catholic, I started learning about both. The collection of fees for indulgences was ended in the 1560′s by the Council of Trent and Pope Pius V.

But, perhaps I am mistaken about that point. I do make mistakes. And like many Catholics and non-Catholics, I don’t know how many, I have even committed transgressions. How wonderful it would be to live one’s life and never make a mistake or commit a transgression, never need to confess or do penance or receive forgiveness. Who could live such a life? I believe it’s a remarkably small number who have.

Lots of people tell me how I should vote, but I make the decision myself. The Catholic Church has never told me how to vote, nor does this ad, nor does The Bible. But I admit I am not the smartest person around, so maybe I’ve misinterpreted something.

It seems to me that those of us who support McCain/Palin or simply oppose Obama, need to encourage one another to examine our consciences and do the right thing. That is what this ad did for me and many non-Catholics. But furthermore, we then need to work together, as opposed to berate one another, to build a winning coalition.

There is much work to do. My best wishes to you and all those whom you touch.

Loxodonta on September 24, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Who will see this ad? Their churches are empty. – jay12 on September 23, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Last I saw, the sanctuary of Catholics Churches usually doesn’t feature a big screen TV.

Moron.

ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 6:43 PM

ManlyRash,

My Parish does. Not a TV, but a screen that comes down from the ceiling beam with a DVD projector. I can see this ad playing as part of a homily or a special Election Issues Prayer Service.

And, jay12, the pews are usually full come Sunday.

March Hare on September 25, 2008 at 1:04 AM

Correction: it is the website for the Byzantine Catholic Church in America. We are in union with Rome. You can lower your weapons and shields. I repeat: we are in union with Rome.

ManlyRash on September 24, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Sorry, thought you were Orthodox. My advice still stands even now about checking out your site. I wasn’t being centric here — Roman Catholicism isn’t for everyone and I figured you were offering an alternative worth considering (still do). I happen also to think the Eastern rite churches are correct in the matter of priests marrying.

And I had no problems with your statements, since they were not finding fault with my faith, but I will defend my faith, just as I think you defend yours.

unclesmrgol on September 25, 2008 at 1:20 AM

Uncle Smrgol:
I didn’t mean to offend you.
I DID talk briefly to a Father at Holy Name Cathedral today.
Tomm I’m going to call my old pastor(church of the Nazarene).
I also checked out that website that ManlyRash recommended.
I live in “Dearbornistan South”-West Rogers Park-and my soul is crying out for a religious home.
This search is far from over.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 24, 2008 at 8:04 PM

You didn’t offend me, but you did make some statements about Catholicism which I felt I had to address from a Catholic viewpoint. With respect to searching for a church, best wishes. Eastern cities have lots of churches close by.

unclesmrgol on September 25, 2008 at 1:36 AM

The Catholic Church includes many who practice ancient Eastern traditions which might seem part of the Orthodox Church, but these churches are actually in communion with the Pope. Among them are the Chaldean, Coptic, Maronite, and Melkite Churches. Another is The Byzantine Catholic Church in America.

Loxodonta on September 24, 2008 at 12:03 PM

I’m well aware of many of the Eastern rite churches. I wasn’t aware that the Byzantine Catholic Church in America was one of them, or even that it existed. I’m corrected.

unclesmrgol on September 25, 2008 at 1:43 AM

Uncle Smrgol:
I live on the northside of Chicago-very leftwing-and I feel like there were more churches that matched my values when I lived in the suburbs.
I call my area “Dearbornistan south” because its got a HUGE amount of of religious muslims.
If I had known this prior to the lease signing, I wouldn’t have suggested that we move here.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 25, 2008 at 3:33 AM

Last I saw, the sanctuary of Catholics Churches usually doesn’t feature a big screen TV.

Moron.

ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 6:43 PM

One final observation: A church that has as its devotees individuals who are sarcastic, derisive and name-calling attracts few people interested in joining a community that values the virtues of Faith, Hope and Charity.

jay12 on September 25, 2008 at 10:05 AM

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