Media threatens not to run video of Palin UN trip due to lack of access
posted at 2:25 pm on September 23, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A farce on all sides. If you take the logic here seriously, the difference between a “news” event whose footage is worth airing and a campaign photo op beneath the dignity of journalism is the presence of a single reporter observing the first few moments of pleasantries in Palin’s meetings with world leaders and maybe shouting a question or two which we all know she’ll ignore. Given those options, a thoughtful news org could go one of two ways: Decide that, in the absence of questioning, the whole thing’s nothing more than McCain propaganda and doesn’t warrant coverage even if the reporter’s allowed in, or decide that, whether or not the reporter’s allowed in, the video has some news value to at least some viewers and should therefore be aired but with a disclaimer noting that the McCain camp persists in conspicuously restricting access to their inexperienced would-be VP. Which option does our petulant media choose? Option three — threatening to suppress information unless meaningless editorial access to the photo op is granted. Good work.
The networks had arranged for a “pool” camera– one camera to cover the first few seconds of the meetings, whose video would be pooled or shared with all networks.
Such arrangements are standard when dealing with intimate high-level meetings between leaders and candidates.
But typically, along with cameras, there is an editorial presence– at least one print reporter, one television reporter, and one radio reporter is standard.
However today the McCain campaign told media covering Palin’s trip to New York that they would allow only one editorial person inside.
Then the campaign scaled back further, saying it will only allow a camera and no editorial presence.
The networks, including ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and Fox fiercely objected to the McCain campaign’s apparent effort to try to shield Palin from questions. Networks voted today to not use any video coming out of Palin’s meeting as a protest.
The campaign eventually backed down and let a CNN pool producer into the room. And what monster scoop awaited her when she arrived? Quote:
According to the CNN producer who was let into Karzai’s hotel suite with the photographers just before noon, Karzai was talking about his son. Palin was nodding, and asked what his name is. Karzai replied his name was Mirwais and explained that it means light of the house.
The media were escorted out after about 40 seconds.
Campaign aides subsequently announced that reporters would be allowed to accompany photographers into the later sessions with Uribe and Kissinger.
But not for that momentous exchange, the video might not have aired. Whew! As I say, it’s a farce on all sides: Follow the ABC link up top and read down near the end for a description of Palin ducking in the side entrance to the hotel to avoid reporters waiting in front. The whole campaign’s famously scaled down its interactions with the press — McCain himself will be doing his first presser in more than a month this afternoon, so the bruised egos of the Deciders should be on the mend — but their insistence on preventing spontaneous exchanges between her and the media, even on her campaign plane, is bizarre. Whether that’s because they’re afraid she won’t know the answers to their questions, I don’t know, but the longer it drags on and the louder the media whines, the more that impression’s going to be reinforced with undecided voters already iffy on her experience. Presumably they’re going to keep her sequestered until the debate, which is how most voters will judge her, and then relax her interactions with the press a bit in October to kill the “Palin won’t talk” meme. Let’s hope.
Update: Here’s the crap the media was ready to revolt over if they didn’t get to watch it firsthand:
Play-by-play: After the conclusion of the Karzai meeting, your pooler departed the InterContinental shortly after 12:35 p.m. EST in the motorcade headed for 14 E. 76th St. We arrived 12 minutes later, and your pool held briefly in an unlit, musty hallway. We then climbed a white, carpeted staircase and were escorted into an ornate room with a large glass chandelier where the meeting was held.
Your pool was for half a minute. Palin was already seated on a pink stuffed chair, to the right of Uribe, with her legs crossed and her body titled forward. They exchanged pleasantries that your pooler could not hear over the loud clicks of the cameras. On a couch to her right (a few feet back but perpendicular to her chair) sat Scheunemann and Biegun.
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Look at the 2004 Presidential Race. Cheney was by no means a polished candidate or campaigner, but put him in a room with Edwards, a polished candidate, especially with stump speeches and a good campaigner, and Cheney ate him alive. I won’t forget Chris Matthews metaphor that Cheney unhinged his jaw and swallowed Edwards whole. Biden can turn Palin into a female Quayle and that is something that some of you guys who are voting against Obama should be concerned about. I don’t have a dog in the fight, there are no Conservatives or Libertarians to vote for so I am on the sidelines.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 3:20 PM
There may be a good opportunity for Gov. Palin to hold a press conference between now and the election, but THIS ISN’T IT. If she did hold a press conference at the United Nations, lots of foreign reporters would be listening and broadcasting her responses back home. She would have to be very careful to avoid saying anything that would upset diplomats and heads of state that McCain would have to deal with later as President, but then she would appear weak and waffling before the American press.
This is Governor Palin’s opportunity to meet PRIVATELY with some of the international leaders she would have to deal with as Vice President, so she could learn about their issues, and they can get to know her, without the press getting in the way. There will be plenty of time to deal with the press, during the VP debate and beyond, when foreign ears won’t be listening.
Steve Z on September 23, 2008 at 3:20 PM
This is a sideshow. The main events are McCain/Obama. The toughest thing for McCain will be to determine what Obama’s current stance is. After all, in Senator Obama’s words: “As I’ve always said, (insert new, never before heard, completely different position here)”. McCain will be shooting at a moving target.
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CapedConservative on September 23, 2008 at 3:21 PM
With that zinger I would guess that is indeed why they are in need of diapers over this. We should make a little playpen for them to be housed in when she does have a presser!
Wonder if perhaps these foreign leaders were the ones requesting the media stay out considering what may have been on tap for discussions? The questions she may have asked and the topics to be discussed could have involved things that the NYT, etc. did not need to hear. With Imajerk being in NY and all the UN hooha, you just wonder if some of these discussions may not have involved Iran, Al Qaeda and terrorism in general.
freeus on September 23, 2008 at 3:22 PM
I am laughing at you right now.
How about you go to the debates when she ran as Gov and look how she handled the ex two term gov and the standing gov and then tell me how you really feel.
Good Lord… THE OBAMESSIAH IS COMING! Chicken little, runnnn RUNNNN!
upinak on September 23, 2008 at 3:22 PM
This looks bad for Palin. Joe Biden has been interviewed all over the place (hence why he’s gaffeing left and right and providing us with a lot of fodder). Shielding Palin is wise to a point, because the media is so terribly biased against her, but she needs to be appearing on Sunday morning shows and so forth at least once a week or SOMETHING.
Outlander on September 23, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Why would McCain or Palin want “editorial” coverage, of an event..
Editorial coverage is “opinion pieces” NOT Hard News..
Why would they want people to write liberal biased BS about them?
Whats the upside?
Chakra Hammer on September 23, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Matt Helm on September 23, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Depends what you mean. I’m comfortable that I know enough about it. I’m uncomfortable with what that means.
The only part of her “private life” that has really been a target of the media is her daughter’s pregnancy and all of the rumors surrounding it. I don’t think those details need to be made into newspaper headlines, but candidates’ private lives invariably are made into election issues; Exhibit A is the campaign’s own promotion of her family (especially her 5th child and her decision to not have an abortion) as props at rallies and in talking points. Furthermore, her own family issues should not be used as a shield by friendly pundits or campaign surrogates – we should still be able to talk about abortion, stem cell research as a tool to aid those with developmental disabilities, and teen pregnancy, without having to hear about how such discussions are offensive to the VP nominee. That’s just as bad, in my opinion, as digging for family dirt to bash the campaign.
Aside from the pregnancy stuff, almost every other story has had to do with her actions as governor or mayor, or her views on issues that are important to voters.
I feel as though it has been covered enough. Also, if we get into guilt-by-association in our arguments about financial downturns, McCain is likely to get hurt more than Obama *coughKeatingFivecough* Now, there’s a case to be made that Obama’s going to bring that back anyway, but there’s enough guilt-by-association to go around that the average voter who does not have time to sort out all the details of these complex dealings will just tune it out. I don’t think it’s a big deal (relative to other issues) in the real world, and I don’t think it’s a productive area in which to focus a campaign’s attention either.
Big S on September 23, 2008 at 3:22 PM
OT: Is HA ever gonna get a chat room going here? We really need one.
JustTruth101 on September 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM
“Good BSer from Scranton”? Okaaaay. Whatever.
We were told that Gore was a debate master, also. President Bush – you know, the one they call “Chimp” – managed to do all right against him, and honestly made him look like a fool on an occasion or two.
I think she’ll do all right. I’d be worried about Biden’s gaffe-tastic tendencies if I were a Democrat, though.
capitalist piglet on September 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM
This is their thinking (I think) a little over 30 days of campaigning…Palin is still a hot ticket, not over exposed. They keep her under wraps until after the debate, then turn her loose the last 2-3 weeks. Aimed at the swing states.
They will be hungry for her. She gives a couple of interviews, but sticks with, “I am here to serve the people, not the press or insiders”.
25,000 to 50,000 at each stop, that’s a lot of votes folks in the final couple of weeks, that a lot of excitement, and a lot of momentum.
Don’t over expose her now, the final couple of weeks is when the independents make their decisions, right up to the day of the vote.
Meanwhile, let Biden continue putting his foot in his mouth, and Obama can continue running against Palin.
right2bright on September 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Everytime Joe opens his mouth, McCain gets another vote!
upinak on September 23, 2008 at 3:24 PM
How much time do you spend down on the floor with toddlers trying to poke you in the eye?
Fairly good parallel to the MSM and the furor over Gov. Palin.
Can you imagine how indignant Obama would be if they had spent 0.1% of their time poking him in the eye?
Marine_Bio on September 23, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Yeah, right…. no dog in the hunt. Looks green and plastic to me. Never needs a mower. Used originally in Houston’s baseball stadium and Slicks El Camino truck bed.
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CapedConservative on September 23, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Obama’s welcome to bring Keating Five on, that’s a closed book and McCain has already owned up to and dealt with it; while Obama’s corruption still has really to see the light of day. Let’s go on ahead and bring out the sunshine, shall we? I’m not afraid of a little sunlight and neither am I willing to bet is McCain. But I think Obama is.
Matt Helm on September 23, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Did you ever read the parts of the Gibson interview that were cut out? She had very good valid answers to the questions about foreign policy. She did negotiate a pipeline through Canada (a foreign government for liberals who don’t know) and did deal with high level dignitaries from China and other Asian nations. And her point about Russia was that the relationship with Russia was something she had given a great deal of thought to because it is a neighbor to Alaska. That of course is on the cutting room floor so that they could create the image they wanted. Truth is beside the point.
petunia on September 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM
You must be the biggest Obamabot ever, you may know about it(which I bet you don’t know full extent of Rezko OR his Fannie/Freddy ties) NOR does the public, because the Media will NOT report it.
Chakra Hammer on September 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM
The View!!
When is she going to do The View??!!??
That’s the only thing that matters!!
120pages on September 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM
“Given those options, a thoughtful news org could go one of two ways: Decide that, in the absence of questioning, the whole thing’s nothing more than McCain propaganda and doesn’t warrant coverage even if the reporter’s allowed in, or decide that, whether or not the reporter’s allowed in, the video has some news value to at least some viewers and should therefore be aired but with a disclaimer noting that the McCain camp persists in conspicuously restricting access to their inexperienced would-be VP.” This made me laugh, even tho it’s a run-on sentence and hard to follow.
Really. What IS the neutral media to do?
Christine on September 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Excuse me…………..?
But has anyone remembered that the MSM is the political media wing of the Democratic Party?
Why are you even asking these questions, or even give them credibility?
John, for Goodness Sake, take the leash off of Sarah and let her be who she is. Don’t play “THEIR” game.
By the way…………….. why is this story “news” when the United States is facing a $1 Trillion dollar bail out of financial institutions, and the people that caused the problem in the first place haven’t been ask the single question:
Seven Percent Solution on September 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM
No, Biden cannot turn Palin into a female Quayle. Only Palin can do that, and she won’t.
Biden is quite clearly a buffoon who doesn’t even know FDR wasn’t president when the stockmarket crashed, but you’re convinced Palin will look stupid next to him. What on earth are you basing that assumption on?
Nobody is going to edit the debate. That works in her favor, imo.
capitalist piglet on September 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM
I’m shocked that AP even mentioned her visit to the UN. It is so unlike him. There must be no disparaging polls out there yet.
Fuquay Steve on September 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM
Judge for yourself.
Jim Treacher on September 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM
CNN actually ran a brief piece about how Gov. Palin might not be Trig’s mother. The AP had a collective meltdown over the fact that Palin’s kids were on stage after her speech, but didn’t have any problem with Obama’s kids actually speaking into a microphone on stage at his convention. Plus you have an insane level of stories being run on stuff that’s completely false. A pretty big chunk of the media’s Palin coverage has been over the top.
BadgerHawk on September 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM
They’ve been literally trying to destroy Governor Palin since her announcement. Vile and unrelenting.
She’s still here, and getting stronger by the day. She’ll be up to speed on national issues and McCain’s policy positions, a process that any Governor would have to do. She doesn’t have to formulate policy.
She’s meeting with world leaders today and tomorrow–casual, yes, cordial and brief, as all first introductions would be. But the meetings are a foundation to build on, which she will do. Anybody in business knows that 80% of success is in personal relationships–I’m confident that she has that skill already.
She’s doing it with the media jackals at her heels, and she’s succeeding without them. She’s making them irrelevant to the campaign and her life, and they can’t stand it.
What are they going to do, say something really mean about her? Stop talking about her? They can’t get more vile and disrespectful than they’ve already been. They can’t touch her.
Oh, wait. They could all get together and do a media black-out like they did with the third party candidates, since they have the power to show us only which candidates they want us to see.
nyrofan on September 23, 2008 at 3:30 PM
1) Yes. I know more truth about her than I do Obama. She is more qualified than Biden.
2) Yes, but I can vote for her without them.
IIRC, Obama’s bitter, clingy, guns speech in San Francisco wasn’t attended by the press. Aren’t they allowed at fundraisers? He was only outed because an attendee tattled at Huffpost.
a capella on September 23, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Ummm, maybe they understand how the media works: only in BO’s favor.
Christine on September 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM
http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/
Read what they cut out of the interview..
Chakra Hammer on September 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Well conservative is in your handle. You are seriously telling me you are a conservative and voting for McCain, not against Obama?
As for your other insinuations I will forgive you, see I understand that while the Socialists (Dems) and lesser Socialists (Republicans) have their partisan blinders on they cannot see less clearly than usual.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Or?
Or?
Jim Treacher on September 23, 2008 at 3:32 PM
What a frightening prospect! Not being featured in the MSM. OH, the HORRORS! /sarc
MsUnderestimated on September 23, 2008 at 3:33 PM
I think it’s all part of the attempt to portray her as a book banning, authoritarian fascist. You know, just like the rest of the Republican Party. And the worst part of it? She didn’t invite the media to watch her eat ice-cream!
I don’t think that’s what they mean by “editorial coverage” in this case. They’re talking about reporters versus cameras, not opinion writers. Although, I grant you its nearly impossible to discern a difference.
Buy Danish on September 23, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Ed,
where are the photos? the video? Let’s get these up. I would like to see the interaction between Palin and world leaders. Why no photos? The Americian people need to see Gov Palin interacting with leaders like we saw for a week with BHO. Please update the thread with some photos
unseen on September 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM
You should do some reseach on Palin and how she governed Alaska. I think as a libertarian you might be pleasantly surprized and find she is someone you should support. She isn’t about forcing her personal views on anyone. The press makes a big deal about them but she tries to figureout how to implement what the public is asking for in a pretty even handed way.
petunia on September 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM
I don’t see who posted that? Where or who said it?
upinak on September 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Not nearly as bizarre as your analysis.
Mrs. Palin has been maligned, smeared & attacked by the media on every possible occasion. They have accused her of unspeakable things, fished for any kind of dirt and defended the criminal actions of Obama supporters trying to destroy her.
They’re idea of coverage is to remove large portions of her answers, play camera tricks and show open disdain for her.
And you call the McCain campaign bizarre?
Give me an eff’n break.
Dorvillian on September 23, 2008 at 3:35 PM
The whole pregnancy thing WAS over the top, but only to the extent that the crazier rumors were amplified. A month ago, Palin was an unknown governor from a remote state, with a pregnant teenage daughter. She also has some very conservative social views which are cast into a very bright light given her somewhat messy family situation. Much of the early coverage was based on rumors that leaked out from Alaskan political circles, and into the mainstream media. Now, many – even most – of them were incorrect, but the whole pregnancy thing was based on truth, however distorted it may have been. I’m not saying that these things should have been reported early, before any of them were confirmed, but I’m not uncomfortable with the media making note of Palin’s views on things like abortion, stem cell research, sex education, etc. in light of her own situation. We want to know who we are electing, in the end, and certain questions need to be asked without being judgemental.
Big S on September 23, 2008 at 3:38 PM
This, more than any one reason I’ve seen is why the media needs to be taken down. It is now viewing itself in the same way as the Church did in the Middle Ages–as the anointing authority conferring legitimacy to rule. That carries with it something else–the belief that it can depose an individual it views as unfit.
Should McCain win election, he should seriously consider defanging the media through revoking press credentials of the more obnoxious reporters and networks; and granting credentials to those willing to provide more objective–not pro-McCain slanted, mind you, but truly objective–coverage. If you’re doing a presser on the War on Terror, give credentials to Michael Yon and Michael Totten, for instance–they won’t pull any punches, they’ll ask tough questions, but they’ll be fair.
Matt Helm on September 23, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Really? What about Dr. Ron’s choice, Chuck Baldwin?
Sure he’s a little behind in the polls but with someone as insightful as you working on his campaign, helping him prep for the media, debates, economic policy, etc, I’m sure they can turn it around.
Run along now, you have a lot of work to do. Or do you prefer sniping from the sidelines?
Y-not on September 23, 2008 at 3:41 PM
How much of an idiot are you?
Her preganancy concerning if it was her Daughters or if it wasn’t… was a lie to begin with. Then saying she was hiding it because she didn’t want people to feel sorry for her. Most people I know aren’t as candid about being pregnant then you think. Also the fact it was their decision to announce it.
Give me a break. The Media is trying to screw her over and they are looking like a fool. Kind of like the “tasergate” crap and hollis French spouting off at the mouth.
You don’t live in my State.. STFU and ask someone for once instead of assuming!
upinak on September 23, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Did you see the Democratic debates? Biden won just about every one he was in. He can also discuss foreign policy with good fluency, whether or not you agree with his position. Palin doesn’t. I understand the election year tendency to substitute wishful thinking for sober analysis but please look at Palin’s interviews. If she was good at these things McCain would have her doing a lot more interviews because she is the only reason he is on the radar and once her star fades away all he has is hope that there are enough bigots to put him in office since the usual historical indicators, especially economic are not in his favor.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 3:42 PM
LMAO!! Whats the difference between the NY Times Front page and an Editorial piece?
Answer: Nothing
Chakra Hammer on September 23, 2008 at 3:42 PM
The world has gone completely insane (or maybe it’s just Allahpukedit) if this is actually a story.
This is seriously the most ridiculous presidential campaign in the history of the U.S. It’s sad that Obama even got this far let alone the fact there are people that will actually vote for this idiot.
The real idiot (Obama) is given a complete pass while Palin is being portrayed as an idiot even though she is probably 5 times smarter than Obama and she doesn’t have any “colorful” friends. Oops is the term colorful racist?
I am so sick of the media and the idiots, such as Obama supporters, Palin haters, and Allahpukedit. If you people want to live in a socialist country, move to China. Leave the U.S. alone.
MobileVideoEngineer on September 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Awwww…..the poor widdle MSM is having a temper tantrum, poor babies!
Every day and in every way the MSM is making itself more irrelevant. Do they really think that by their not covering her that news of what occurred will not get out? If so they are living in a fool’s paradise.
Nahanni on September 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Is that where they came from? Huh.
Jim Treacher on September 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM
I am not familiar with your practices, but mine is to vote FOR the best candidate available. I think a vote should be a practical and effective action. I suppose I could become a 60’s freak drop-out and convert to voting for the various “none of the above” candidates that pop up from time to time so I could always claim “I voted for (name your throw-your-vote-down-the-black-hole-candidate)” and feel really cool about it. Is John McCain a Reagan? Certinaly not. But he’s far closer than Senator Obama.
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CapedConservative on September 23, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Lev: I understand the election year tendency to substitute wishful thinking for sober analysis but please look at Biden’s interviews.
Jim Treacher on September 23, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Ah. You sneaked that one in there. Nice.
Jim Treacher on September 23, 2008 at 3:46 PM
But were run on air anyways without actually confirming whether or not they were true. Also, she’s leaves many of her personal views out of her governance, which goes virtually unmentioned in the media.
If the media had put a fraction of the effort into reporting her policies and governance as they put into peddling smears, you would know everything you wanted to know about her. Focus your attention at the media. If their reporting was honest McCain’s camp would have no reason to restrict their access to Palin.
BadgerHawk on September 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM
I’d never vote for Balwin with all his religious nonsense. Yes I do have to snipe from the sidelines because there are no good candidates. I want to vote for someone, not against. I voted against someone in 2004 and have been regretting it since. And voting against Obama means voting for an egomaniac with a Teddy Roosevelt fetish so my conscience cannot do that.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 3:48 PM
The MS has turned into MTV… you’re not famous or worthwhile unless they say so.
There is no justification for not airing news. We had to suffer through an entire week of the anchors/ Obama groupies following him around the globe like crack whores and air footage that his campaign shot and edited, watch those fucks swoon over him shooting hoops and get all squishy in their panties because *gasp* he’s wearing jeans and not saying anything.
This is intolerable.
Damiano on September 23, 2008 at 3:48 PM
I did see the Democratic debates, and I don’t remember it that way. To be perfectly honest with you, I have long thought Joe Biden little more than a clown.
Do I need to explain to you that debates and heavily edited interviews with Charlie Gibson aren’t the same thing? Is that comparison indicative of your own “sober analysis”?
capitalist piglet on September 23, 2008 at 3:49 PM
“When
violenceMedia deception has happened more than once and is escalating, whenthat certain someonethe opposition is declaring an intention to kill you, dialog is a death trap.”http://breathofthebeast.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-do-israel-and-us-have-in-common.html
Sarah Palin has no good reason to take the MSM seriously again. Some women walk away after the first episode.
lobosan5 on September 23, 2008 at 3:49 PM
I guess he must be an example of one of those “Concerned, Christian, Conservatives (Libertarians)” I’ve been hearing and reading so much about recently. Wonder if he has the latest pricing on astroturfing?
Matt Helm on September 23, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Sorry, I’m not talking about you, Jim–I’m talking about the guy you quoted. Just didn’t want any confusion!
Matt Helm on September 23, 2008 at 3:50 PM
To some degree, sadly, modern politics is like showbiz. One of the oldest axioms of showbiz goes: ‘Always leave the audience wanting more’. Sounds like the McCain campaign understands this and is achieving it.
I think they keep her under wraps until the VP debate. She’ll then be seen by the largest possible audience, unfiltered. If she succeeds (and I think she will), a little more press access may be in order. I still wouldn’t give the press anything approaching unfettered access even at that point. Why? See showbiz axiom above.
trigon on September 23, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Well my criteria is that I must vote for someone that will make things better than they are now. Nobody fits that criteria.
60s freak dropout? Sometimes you I think you guys post from a mad libs template. That was a pretty ridiculous insertion.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 3:53 PM
Really? Then why isn’t Biden at the TOP of the Dem ticket, instead of Obama? Biden got fewer votes in the Democrat primaries than Sarah Palin got in…Wasilla.
Steve Z on September 23, 2008 at 3:53 PM
Yeah, that really sounded like the “sober analysis” of a libertarian/conservative with no one to vote for, didn’t it?
Why can’t these liberals just come here and say they’re liberals? This isn’t like DU, where you get kicked out just for admitting who you are.
capitalist piglet on September 23, 2008 at 3:53 PM
The stupid media is so not going to enjoy a McCain/Palin administration! They will enjoy the future Palin administration even less! Expecially Charlene Gibson!
bill30097 on September 23, 2008 at 3:54 PM
I think McCain-Palin should completely shut out the MSM – seriously.
They should keep it up and listen to them scream – because no one is listening to the MSM anyway except themselves.
Prove how irrelevant they are. Continue to ignore them and otherwise irritate them.
Queen0fCups on September 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM
I think I understand. If you can’t make things better in exactly the way you want them to be better, then it can all go to hell as far as you’re concerned? Don’t you think that’s a little immature? I don’t usually see adults take that position.
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CapedConservative on September 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM
It really sucks to be you, huh?
trigon on September 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM
A prior poster (who will remain unnamed) declares: “She needs to be appearing on Sunday morning shows and so forth at least once a week or SOMETHING.”
Oh??? And why is this so – other than you declare it to be? You’re of the same effete, liberal mindset which declares Palin “unqualified” because…because…because “SHE’S NEVER EVEN APPEARED ON ‘MEET THE PRESS’!!! GASP! GASP! GASP!
LET the MSM squeal all it wants. Even if she were to go on their shows (including the much vaunted ‘Meet The Press’), the MSM intends to try and crucify her. Consequently, she’s MUCH, MUCH better off, going over these mopes’ heads (a la Reagan)and making her appeal to the American people.
So, Outlander, Governor Palin DOESN’T “need to be appearing on Sunday morning shows.” Instead, you just need to get more of a grip, and more of a life.
alwyr on September 23, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Phrased another way… you see your car heading for a tree that you cannot avoid hitting, so you don’t put on the brakes because it will hit the tree anyway?
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CapedConservative on September 23, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Sort of Off Topic, you really should read the Mikheil Saakashvili WaPo editorial!
kirkill on September 23, 2008 at 3:59 PM
I understand that debates and interviews are not the same thing, but Sarah has not been in a debate for national office, discussing national issues yet so her interviews are all we have to go on.
Your opinion is not the majority. Even people who supported other candidates, including the media, thought that Biden won those debates. I understand that my statements on the potential of a Biden-Palin debate are a little harsh for the partisans, but to fail to admit that Palin is at a disadvantage seems a little intellectually dishonest. And once again if you look at McCain’s actions, if this lady was such a great debater and interviewer, don’t you think they would use her more? Why would you hold back a strength?
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 4:00 PM
No I watch people trying to cure a headache by bashing their heads against a wall repeatedly and choose not to do it.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 4:02 PM
He is using her quite a bit…. to connect with people. Not the press. She is campaigning all over. Why put her in front of a group you KNOW wants to destroy her when you can use her EXTENSIVELY to excite and draw a crowd?
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CapedConservative on September 23, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Exactly. Nicely put, agree 100%!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on September 23, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Are you objecting to my having said, Although, I grant you its nearly impossible to discern a difference.
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Buy Danish on September 23, 2008 at 4:03 PM
No, there is really nothing one can do to change the current state of politics, it’s been in a continual state of idiocy and/or lying for at least the 2500 years if Leo Strauss is correct.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 4:06 PM
The only “evidence” of this is the highly edited Gibson hit job. As Governor she was focused on her state and her sphere of influence. She has done a great job – and has the approval ratings to prove it.
It is not surprising that she is being given time to come up to speed on international issues. The McCain camp obviously doesn’t want to look like the Obama/Biden comedy of conflicting views.
She has the domestic issues down – confronting corruption, addressing the energy issues, etc. She will be just as effective with the international ones. There is plenty of time. Let’s let the other side rush out and contradict each other.
Mini14 on September 23, 2008 at 4:07 PM
It is frightening. The evil ‘MSM’ is just that – where the mainstream of America gets its info on the candidates. Those of you defending the McCain campaign’s refusal to allow open and normal coverage would never stand for it for any other person.
Whether she can handle herself or not is irrelevant. If we cannot get good access, yes even MSM access, to her, how in the hell are most people supposed to get a sense of her? Keeping her in the cone of silence this long has already damaged the campaign. If it goes on any longer, McCain will tank as the meme that Palin is unready will take a chokehold.
By the way, what else can it mean? If she’s ready, why shield her from the same press she will have to deal with anyway? Protect her? BS. Protect her family? BS. Prepare for a coming out party? That should have been the announcement before the RNC.
Image control is the whole banana. And in an election, that kind of image control is absolute BS with a cherry on top.
trailboss on September 23, 2008 at 4:10 PM
So given these two statements, you have nothing better to do? You obviously don’t care about politics (as far as this election goes). In your view, your life will be identical under either McCain or Obama. I think we all understand your “my way or the highway” view of how it should be done. Well, guess what. This election you need to hit the highway because it is not going to be your way.
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CapedConservative on September 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM
I can wait for the debate to find out whether she’ll be good at it, but her debate record in Alaska is fine. Maybe you should wait too, before you predict her failure.
Her interview with Charles Gibson was clearly designed to paint her as an idiot, given what we know about the editing. What conclusion can we draw from that? Certainly not that she is an idiot. I won’t take her friendly interview with Sean Hannity to mean much of anything, if you’ll acknowledge that Charles Gibson was clearly out to show her in an unflattering light.
And failing to admit that Joe Biden has a habit of sticking his foot in his mouth up to his kneecap might be considered intellectually dishonest, also.
Maybe he is a great debater, as you claim – I am telling you the truth, I honestly don’t remember being blown away by Joe Biden’s debate skills. I would think the fact that he didn’t do better in his quest for the party’s nomination would support my point.
And please cut the “I’m so objective” act. When you called people who might vote a certain way “bigots”, I think you managed to forfeit that card.
capitalist piglet on September 23, 2008 at 4:13 PM
If McCain/ Palin simply canceled all interviews, banned the traveling corps from their planes and shut them out of everything entirely, I wouldn’t blame them a bit.
The question is, can they actually win by doing so? We’ve got a short time left, they have a big message to get out and the other side is screaming their ignorant heads off about how McCain is an deranged, PTSD racist who is going to drop dead right on top of the Staples Easy-nuclear-launch button, leaving Ms. Wasilla the Hockey Mom to cook moose stew for terrorists.
Which is more right? Beat them at their own game and win or oppose them and drown in a 24/7 media cesspool?
Hell… if McCain get’s around this one and comes out intact (on top of the economic lunacy), he deserves to be voted in as Emperor… and the best thing about McCain is that he’d turn it down.
Damiano on September 23, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Plato said in one of his dialogues that wisdom is not found in numbers, I agree and think I would not be any wiser if I were to go with the numbers.
I do care about politics, while I think they are destroying the country and making things worse I like following to watch the rhetorical tricks, the way they manufacture talking points, their actions, and all that other stuff. I really don’t want to become a shepherd to the herd, but I would at least like to learn the art.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 4:19 PM
What about Bono? Has she met Bono yet? Did they try on each other’s glasses? Talk about a photo op!
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!!!
Mr. Wednesday Night on September 23, 2008 at 4:22 PM
You don’t go into a football game thinking the only way you are going to win is if the other side fumbles. You don’t hope for a gaffe, you take advantage of it when it happens. He tends to gaffe on the road with reporters and that is a problem, but in debates he really doesn’t gaffe from what I’ve seen.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Whad’ya mean if. That’s essentially what has happened recently, and in the longer term with Palin.
Campaigns live and die on press stories. McPalin hopes will die soon if the access continues to be so restricted. I for one detest it. I don’t want anyone in POTUS or VEEP who can’t handle themselves NOW with the press, or cannot answer the questions I have NOW, that only the press can ask and get answers to NOW.
trailboss on September 23, 2008 at 4:23 PM
And as I said earlier, there is obviously no difference to you whether it’s Obama or McCain (of course other than a few of your minor jabs in this thread that were anti McCain ticket). That has to be a safe assumption. If you believe people behave rationally (in their own self interest) and if I am to believe you are behaving rationally, you believe there is no difference between the two. Not that one is slightly worse than the other, otherwise rational behavior would demand voting for the better of the two.
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CapedConservative on September 23, 2008 at 4:26 PM
The incumbent President and Vice President have horrible ratings. The economy is in the dumps. The Iraq War is not popular. The incumbent party candidate is very old. These indicators don’t bode well for the incumbent party in the election. Yes the majority of bigots are old people, Hillary crushed him in the elderly category, now if you want to make up some other reason why this is go right ahead because I’d love to hear it.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 4:27 PM
There are differences, rhetoric, looks, personas, what wars where, the percentage of the growth of government, where that money will be wasted, interest groups that get paid off, advisers, unipolar globalism versus multipolar globalism (though they could both be multipolar depending on how far McCain takes the league of democracies idea), etc. There are plenty of differences, neither of which will bring improvement. There are more choices than two when the perceived choice is a false boolean.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 4:32 PM
She doesn’t need to hope Biden fumbles. She just needs to demonstrate that she is competent. What reason do you have to assume she cannot do that?
My point on Biden is that you keep trying to make him sound like some kind of genius, when nothing could be further from the truth. The man is a clown. Maybe he won’t stick his foot in his mouth during the debate, but the potential is certainly always looming.
Given everything we’ve observed, she has as good a chance as he does to come out of it all right.
I call BS on this “she should be shaking in her boots” stuff. Liberals are always trying to intimidate on these things, and they rarely deliver. Kerry was a great debater. Gore was a great debater. Every Democrat is so much more intelligent than any Republican, and any one of them would wipe the floor with any Republican – just pick one.
Uh huh.
capitalist piglet on September 23, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Easy as pie…. McGovern (way liberal, huge loss). Mondale (way liberal, huge loss). Dukakis (way liberal, huge loss).
Obama (way more liberal than those mentioned above). Battleground poll (all non-trolls here will know…) Question D-3… 60%+ are moderatly conservative to conservative. 30%- are moderatly liberal to liberal. Obama loses on that breakdown alone. All this poppycock about a given party not holding the office for X terms is just that. If Nixon had no Watergate, there would have been no Carter. If GHW Bush hadn’t lied on no new taxes and gotten Perot in, there would have been no Clinton. Since 1968, the ONLY Democrat to get more than 50% (50.1%) was Carter when he ran against Watergate.
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CapedConservative on September 23, 2008 at 4:34 PM
No voting for someone that will lower your standard of living is not rational. Ratifying the system that makes that outcome a given is not rational either. You don’t win anything for picking a winner, this is not horse racing.
LevStrauss on September 23, 2008 at 4:34 PM
That is the essence of politics. It always has been and always will be.
Complaining about it and wishing it were not so, is denying that if it were fixed it would still be politics.
So in essence you ARE bashing your head against a wall.
csdeven on September 23, 2008 at 4:34 PM
I hear the overexposed argument, I just worry that they are letting the media bake the cake on her image for people who are undecided about her. If you wait too long and all they hear is “they’re so afraid she’ll screw up they won’t let her talk to anyone” then that impression may get set in people’s minds to an extent that she won’t be able to change it down the stretch. I’m not advocating wall to wall coverage, just a few spots here and there in moderately favorable venues – Jay Leno, Bob Schieffer, Regis and Kelly, stuff like that. Take the weak link in the Sunday talk shows and then go on some shows with non-confrontational hosts that will reach a lot of apolitical viewers. She’s got to get some practice at this because forget about Biden, Gwen Ifill is going to be absolutely gunning for her to take her down.
Dudley Smith on September 23, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Not true. When playing against a team that has a penchant for turnovers, you know that with a moderate amount of practice, it would be pretty simple to cause one.
Biden is no different. Just get his ego involved in his answer and he’ll truth himself into losing the debate.
csdeven on September 23, 2008 at 4:37 PM
LevStrauss is just a troll. He’s talked himself in an illogical circle twice now.
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CapedConservative on September 23, 2008 at 4:37 PM
As a longtime fan of Brett Favre, I can attest to your analysis. ; )
I don’t think Gwen Ifill will be trying to get Biden to gaffe – still, the potential is always there for Joe.
capitalist piglet on September 23, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Maybe some people (including the elderly) know a phony-assed empty suit with shady political connections when they see one, regardless of race. I don’t suppose that occurred to you.
capitalist piglet on September 23, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Levi Strauss = troll
an earnest troll and one of the least obnoxious and stupid of the pack that ruins threads here, but a troll nonetheess
arguing with it will get you nowhere–or perturbed, or worse
Janos Hunyadi on September 23, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Then I guess you are showing your age…
Mini14 on September 23, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Well I hope they are looking for ways for Palin to get Biden going. It doesn’t have to be Ifil that trips Biden up.
That goes for McCain too. I hope he can get under Obama’s skin. If Obama can be forced into something where he feels the answer is nuanced. He becomes unintelligible.
Someone smarter than me needs to figure out how to lead right out of the debate–while people still care, with some dumb thing Obama says. He always always says stupid stuff but somehow no one notices until too late.
Oh by the way, McCain is an awful debater. He depends too much on memorized sound bites. But even though I thought he lost every debate in the Primary… he won the votes. And that’s more important than saying the exact right thing in the debate.
petunia on September 23, 2008 at 4:59 PM
What is going on with the McCain campaign anyway? Is this woman actually much dumber than I already thought she was?
This is a democracy and Palin isn’t running for a seat in the Politburo. She should be available to the press and answer questions just like everyone else who runs for nation-wide office.
foreverright on September 23, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Ahhhh…. She dared to upset the Kingmakers? Well, good for her. Seems to me that Ronald Reagan went directly to the people with good effect, and that was pre-Internet.
VastRightWingConspirator on September 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM
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