Well, isn’t that the ready-made spin that can be applied to this otherwise-heartening piece of abortion news?: Although the overall U.S. abortion rate is at its lowest level since 1974, the drop has been far more dramatic for whites than……

Crime rate will greatly increase in about 15 yrs.

marklmail on September 23, 2008 at 9:24 AM

Spot on marklmail.

Here’s what the LA Times article says, Bob’s Kid:

Thanks. I’m at work and am only dropping in from time to time.

:)

I bet you a donut that by days end you’ll see a Huff-n-Stuffer say “hey look, the riech wing nutballs at Hot Air want to exterminate Blacks.” Soon thereafter it will be on DKos then MSNBC then every major daily in the country. Then at the debate, moderators will demand that McCain repudiate it.

Am I paranoid or are there really ninja-wolves wearing wraparound Oakley’s chasing me?

Sorry, I can’t continue this conversation. I have a kid to pick up from school and other errands to run.

Jvette on September 23, 2008 at 12:55 PM

Enjoy your day. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my comments.

Killing a baby in the womb is morally equivalent to killing an adult. Just cause some people don’t agree, doesn’t make it untrue.

Jvette on September 23, 2008 at 12:43 PM

It is responded to differently though, even by people who are the most pro-life. Nearly all people would respond with more immediate effect if they knew of an adult, or a million adults, about to be murdered.

dedalus on September 23, 2008 at 12:30

Yes, we do, but is the service rendered and the justice meted out equivalent to that of a wealthy person? Aren’t most poor defendants more likely to go to jail than richer ones? How is that fair? The point was that we can’t legislate an equal outcome for those who have money and those who don’t. Life just doesn’t work that way. Just because wealthy women can afford to abortion with the help of a private doctor, doesn’t mean that that abortion is moral and should be available to poor women too.

dedalus on September 23, 2008 at 12:26 PM

When Roe v Wade was first decided, most people, including many Democratic elected officials were opposed. Over the years, the attitude has changed with the dominance of the pro-abort position. People’s attitudes have been subtly led to greater acceptance, especially since so many women who had abortions kept quiet about them. This meant that the actual harm to women was not known by a majority of people.

The pro-life movement has been slowly but surely changing people’s understanding. Millions of women have stood up to say that their abortion was the worst thing they had ever done. Some studies have indicated a link between abortion and certain womens’ health problems. The practice of partial birth abortion, and that of leaving to die survivors of botched abortion, are coming to the attention of the public at large.

We, who fight the pro-life cause are well aware of the enormity of the battle we face. We know that sheer will and determination is not enough to overcome years of apathy and ignorance about abortion. We do not give up, though because we know it is a just cause. We do not give up because we speak and fight for the least among us.

A person’s a person no matter how small. “Horton Hears A Who”, Dr. Seuss

Killing a baby in the womb is morally equivalent to killing an adult. Just cause some people don’t agree, doesn’t make it untrue.

Time Poll conducted by Abt SRBI. July 31-Aug. 4, 2008. N=808 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.

“Which of these positions best represents your views about abortion? A woman should be able to get an abortion if she wants one in the first three months of pregnancy, no matter what the reason. Abortion should be legal ONLY in certain circumstances, such as when a woman’s health is endangered or when the pregnancy results from rape or incest. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances, even if the mother’s life is in danger.”

Always Legal in
First 3 Months (46%)

Legal in Certain
Circumstances (40%)

Illegal in All
Circumstances (10%)

No Answer/
Unsure (4%)

People engage in all kinds of illegal activities. Rich people can afford better attorneys and are therefore more likely to get off or get a reduced or suspended sentence. Should we just let poor people go instead of prosecuting? After all the system is unfair, why should they be unduly punished for their crimes when they don’t have the resources that rich people have?

Jvette on September 23, 2008 at 12:27 PM

We do provide lawyers for the poor at tax payers expense.

dedalus on September 23, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Not sure what your point is here. I do think all abortions are wrong, and that making abortion illegal will reduce the numbers more than any birth control or sex education.
Many people equate legal with moral.

It seems that you have a tendency to use all of the talking point arguments pro-aborts have down pat. I repeat, it is not a service to poor women, or rich women to destroy the baby they carry in their womb.

I interpret your question here to mean, since rich women are able to get an abortion at a private doctor’s office, abortion should be legal for everyone and cheap so that even the poor can get them.

People engage in all kinds of illegal activities. Rich people can afford better attorneys and are therefore more likely to get off or get a reduced or suspended sentence. Should we just let poor people go instead of prosecuting? After all the system is unfair, why should they be unduly punished for their crimes when they don’t have the resources that rich people have?

By the way, I don’t know if you are pro-abort or playing devil’s advocate. I’m merely pointing out that you used a typical pro-abort argument.

Jvette on September 23, 2008 at 12:13 PM

I’m not familiar with the pro-abort arguments. I am interested in seeing where there is some consensus among American voters. If Roe is overturned and the issue moves into the legislature access to abortion will be determined by majority vote. Currently, a very substantial majority of Americans oppose outlawing abortion all the way to the point of conception. With that majority arguments that rely only on life beginning at conception or every abortion is morally equivalent to killing an adult aren’t likely to prevail–at least not for decades.

Here’s from the Physicians for Life website (I posted somewhat different statistics I can’t now find from a similar website awhile ago):

When birth control “fails” (i.e. the woman gets pregnant), abortion is pushed as “back-up birth control”. Yet, in a Wall Street Journal letter to the editor in 1991, the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) U.S. Medical Director Dr. Louise Tyrer, made public the fact that two-thirds (2/3) of unplanned pregnancies are due to the failure of birth control. That is about 67%! These women are statistically much more likely to have abortions than those who were not using birth control when they unexpectedly became pregnant.

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) also has noted that a study conducted in 1994-95 [Alan Guttmacher Institute, The Lancet 17Aug96, p.469] found that 57.5% of the women procuring abortions had been using birth control methods the month they became pregnant [32.9% of the women in this study were 20-24; 45.6% were over age 24].

Similarly, researchers recently found that two thirds (about 67%) of France’s unplanned pregnancies were among women using contraceptives. A fifth of the unplanned pregnancies happened when women were on the Pill and a tenth were among those using the intra-uterine device (IUD) [Dr Nathalie Bajos and colleagues from Inserm, France's national medical research institute, studied 2,863 women, Human Reproduction, 4/03].

In other words, the birth control methods may “fail” to stop pregnancy the majority of the time.

Link to website: http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/523/26.

I don’t know why people here are happy that abortions are dropping for minorities. They usually wind up voting for democrats so anything that can help to reduce democrat voting rolls is a good thing right?

Choose life! Choose republican life!

420sniper on September 23, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Shooting blanks?

This is moral relativism. Abortion is the deliberate destruction of human life. With very few exceptions, each and every one will result in a death. Also, abortion is not a product that can be misused or abused or addictive.

This is what pro-aborts do, they throw out things like this and then try to say that abortion is no different. Do I believe that greedy businesses target poor areas? Yes, I do.
Do I think it is right? No, I don’t. Are these morally equivalent to PP targeting poor young women and offering them a solution that is nothing less than extermination of a human life? NO.

By the way, I don’t know if you are pro-abort or playing devil’s advocate. I’m merely pointing out that you used a typical pro-abort argument.

If their feelings were so strong as to whether they wanted to have a baby or not, why become pregnant in the first place? I am with Day Gardner. Abortion has become a means of birth control in this country.

Glynn on September 23, 2008 at 12:03 PM

They want to have sex but don’t want to become pregnant and have children. The two are biologically and morally related but not always comprehended during moments of passion.

Abortion is a de facto method of birth control, but nearly all women would choose to prevent the pregnancy in the first place.

Marketing might make someone buy one car over another or maybe one soda over another, but most people have strong feelings on whether they want to have a baby or not.

dedalus on September 23, 2008 at 9:43 AM

If their feelings were so strong as to whether they wanted to have a baby or not, why become pregnant in the first place? I am with Day Gardner. Abortion has become a means of birth control in this country.