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Survey USA: Obama by six in Virginia, up four points in two weeks; Update: Women indifferent to Palin’s abortion position?

posted at 3:05 pm on September 22, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The margins in Gallup and Rasmussen are unchanged from yesterday and probably/hopefully won’t move much before Friday’s debate so we need new polls to obsess over. How does Virginia turnin’ baby blue grab you?

Compared to an identical SurveyUSA poll released one week ago, Obama is up 1 point; McCain is down 1 point; compared to a SurveyUSA poll two weeks ago, Obama is up 4, McCain is down 4.

Since 1952, Virginia has voted Republican 13 times and Democrat only once, in 1964. Today: In the Washington DC suburbs, Obama now polls at 59% and leads McCain by 21 points. Obama leads by 10 in Southeast VA and by 4 in Central VA. McCain’s regional advantage is confined to the Shenandoah, where he is 14 points atop Obama. Among women, Obama led by 6 points before Sarah Palin was named to the GOP ticket, now leads by 16.

The good news: Survey USA consistently shows Obama doing better in the state than any other major pollster, some of whom have Maverick up big. The bad news: Survey USA’s usually pretty accurate. But never mind that. How do we explain the two-week bounce? If it’s all collateral damage from the financial meltdown, you’d expect to have seen the bulk of it last week, not the week before. That collapse in support for the ‘Cuda among women is eye-popping, although I’m not sure how to square it with the data from the new Lifetime poll showing a monster 34-point swing towards McCain on the question of which candidate better understands women and their concerns. Having to guess, I’d guess women didn’t like what they saw in the Gibson interview, but the obvious culprit — Palin’s position on abortion — doesn’t jibe with the big gain in understanding women’s “concerns.” Any theories?

Update: Ugh. Obama by five, says Hotline’s daily tracker, up four from yesterday. It looks like it’s coming from indies, doubtless due to economic concerns. Note: “Among women, Obama/Biden hold a 13% margin — equalling their largest lead among women in the tracking poll.” Women also gave Obama a huge advantage on the economy in the Lifetime poll.

Update: There’s more to Palin’s “ordinary gal” persona than just the gal part, of course:

The Palin pick also appears to be a galvanizing force among rural voters as a whole, according to another new poll – also out today – from the Center for Rural Strategies. Among respondents in the rural regions of thirteen battleground states, half said that Palin’s presence on the ticket has made them more likely to support McCain in November. But the poll’s results, which showed a 51-41 advantage for McCain, also underscore the deafening concern over the economy that dominates voters’ decision making. Fifty-one percent of the rural residents surveyed placed the economy and jobs at the top of the list, with other issues like energy (25%) and the war (21%) comparatively left in the dust.

Update: A key nugget from the Lifetime poll that explodes the abortion theory: Women don’t seem overly concerned about it.

The poll also looked at women’s views on Governor Palin and found that a majority (52%) of women had a mostly positive view while 29% were mostly negative and 13 percent neutral.

Of the women who had negative views, 48 percent said it was because of the governor’s position on the issues. Of that 48 percent, just 18 percent pointed to her pro-life position as the main position they opposed.

That means just 2.5 percent of all women surveyed in the poll indicated they disagree with Palin on the issues and say abortion is the reason why.


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Doh.

lorien1973 on September 22, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Game over man, game over!!!

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:07 PM

According to Hotline, McCain is only 1% behind Obama on who best to handle the economy, yet this downturn in McCain’s numbers began with the Wall St. mess. I don’t get it.

lodge on September 22, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Survey USA is crap. They basically link several media polls together. They also have McCain up by 8 to 10 before in ohio.

Virginia is still close

William Amos on September 22, 2008 at 3:10 PM

I have a love/hate relationship with polls. :(

dmarie on September 22, 2008 at 3:10 PM

….now where’d I put that “honkey” tape…..

hippie_chucker on September 22, 2008 at 3:10 PM

That collapse in support for the ‘Cuda among women is eye-popping, although I’m not sure how to square it with the data from the new Lifetime poll showing a monster 34-point swing towards McCain

I don’t want to be “that guy”, but swings that dramatic that quickly, you’ve either had a chemical reaction, or there a problem with the sample. Those are almost unbelievable numbers. Though understanding isn’t necessarily the same as voting for.

Spirit of 1776 on September 22, 2008 at 3:10 PM

hard to beleive that Va. or any traditional red state would vote for far-left Obama. Guess the problem is its next to impossible to get the message out that Obama is far-left.

jp on September 22, 2008 at 3:11 PM

The obligatory “the only poll that matters is the one on election day”; “there’s the Bradley effect to consider”; and “pollsters are left-wing hacks who want to construct a narrative” posts.

MedSchoolCatholic on September 22, 2008 at 3:11 PM

hard to beleive that Va. or any traditional red state would vote for far-left Obama. Guess the problem is its next to impossible to get the message out that Obama is far-left.

jp on September 22, 2008 at 3:11 PM

bingo!

D0WNT0WN on September 22, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Game over man, game over!!! – Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Put a sock in it, troll.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:12 PM

AP not only chooses stupid names for himself, but he’s quite the whiner. Get this guy outta here. He keeps thinking this or that poll 40 days before the election means we should give up.

TTheoLogan on September 22, 2008 at 3:12 PM

oy this is not good

Noneya on September 22, 2008 at 3:12 PM

At this point, I’m poll-weary. Maybe I’ve grown a bit cynical/worn out, but polls no longer inspire elation or resignation.

Slublog on September 22, 2008 at 3:13 PM

According to Hotline, McCain is only 1% behind Obama on who best to handle the economy, yet this downturn in McCain’s numbers began with the Wall St. mess. I don’t get it.

No, it don’t make no sense. I’m not sure what this obsession with polls is. The only poll that matters is the one on Election Day.

Allah either needs to start drinking heavily, or get himself some nice electroshock therapy. Or both. Dude, lay off the polls.

eyedoc on September 22, 2008 at 3:14 PM

When only 28% or lower approve the bailout and McCain is out there touting Amnesty and oversight and endorsing the bailout; you are going to get these numbers. Someone in the McCain camp needs to understand most folks are against the bad guys overseeing this bailout. We want people held accountable and you can start with Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd and ACORN!

The McCain camp was late last week in getting back in the attack mode.

I do not, despite Allah’s praise, believe much from USA. However, I do believe McCain is probably down by at the max 3 points, but for the most part I think things are even. The internals from most of these polls still show McCain gaining ground.

Get back with us a week from this Wednesday. Give time for the debate to be processed and then let us see where things are via Rassmussen on Wednesday after the debates.

freeus on September 22, 2008 at 3:14 PM

It is the expansion of government workers in the DC area, they are mostly libs and the there has been some hiring that has gone on. Of course many of them move to the suburbs as DC itself is a shithole.

echosyst on September 22, 2008 at 3:14 PM

DEBATES

DEBATES

DEBATES

DEBATES

SDarchitect on September 22, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Bite me, Womanly Rush.

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:15 PM

I don’t know what to make of polls nowadays.

However, seeing the video from the Villages in Florida where some 60,000 came out to see her in the heat was an eye opener.

danking70 on September 22, 2008 at 3:15 PM

Are these the same pollsters that said the ‘04 election was a done deal for President Kerry?

Oh, Christ, that sounds scary when you say those two words out loud.

Bruce in NH on September 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Agenda In The Coming Weeks:

(-) Ads about Obama’s “bitter gun clinger” remarks from SanFran.
(-) Ads about Obama’s connection to Wright & Ayers.
(-) Destroy Obama in the debates.

amerpundit on September 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM

the Real Clear Politics avg going into the 2004 election, ended up being dead on.

I hope Diebold is really on our side.

jp on September 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM

Oh Roger’s here. I was beginning to worry that all the trolls except J had died while I was gone.

Hard to be Game Over when there’s still two quarters left, pal. This is only halftime. And it might just be me, but I think we have the ball.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 3:18 PM

second look at sarah palin?

aso on September 22, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Monday, September 22, 2008

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows—for the third straight day–Barack Obama attracting 48% of the vote while John McCain earns 47% (see trends). Obama is viewed favorably by 55%, McCain by 54%. Rasmussen Markets data currently gives Obama a 51.7% chance of victory.

McCain is ever-so-slightly behind in the EC polls today, too!! Let’s all slit our wrists!!

/sarcasm

capitalist piglet on September 22, 2008 at 3:18 PM

This is McCain’s to lose.
Palin is more than fine.
Stay postive, and demand some evidence/accountability from Obama.
Like a snake in a quart of oil.

Randy

williars on September 22, 2008 at 3:18 PM

The SUSA poll is probably garbage. Obama by 10 in Southeast Virginia, with all the military bases and veterans, who probably will vote McCain by a landslide? Who did they poll down there, Code Pink?

Steve Z on September 22, 2008 at 3:19 PM

So who runs Survey USA, Darth Soros?

pilamaye on September 22, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Bite me, Womanly Rush.

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:15 PM

There are much better bass players after whom to name yourself.

AubieJon on September 22, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Well it might be some truth in this poll. First the demographic is changing in Virginia. More people leaning left in the DC suburbs, more blacks registred to votes, people getting scared of last week meltdown on Wall Street and maybe Sarah Palin’s interview with Charlie Gibson wasn’t such a good ideea. She looked a little shaky and unprepared. Plus Hillary Clinton looked somehow supportive to Obama. So, yes, I am a little concerned about Obama being able to win Virginia. To deny the possibility is not a good thing.

clemycali on September 22, 2008 at 3:22 PM

Watch Rasmussen…

Later today, he releases all the major eastern battlegrounds: Ohio, PA, VA, Mich,and Florida…that will tell us something we can trust…

besides, its all about the debates.

joepub on September 22, 2008 at 3:22 PM

There are much better bass players after whom to name yourself.

AubieJon on September 22, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Yes, but do they have a batch of ready-made Conservative-slamming lyrics already at hand like RW does? That’s what counts – he likes quoting them. :P

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 3:22 PM

Everytime McCain blames Republicans for the current mess, or says that he would appoint Andrew Cuomo as head of the SEC – he might as well say “vote for Obama”.

He needs to go after the LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC policies that got us into this. If he is going to blame Republicans, then he should make it clear that they messed things up by acting like LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.

poljunkie on September 22, 2008 at 3:22 PM

Like I’ve been saying McCain isn’t going to get the women vote. If McCain or Palin were pro-choice than perhaps there would be a chance. Majority of women are Dems, that’s just the way it is. That’s why I think it’s funny that Obama has been pandering so much. There’s no need!

terryannonline on September 22, 2008 at 3:24 PM

I’ve been sipping on coke here. It’s not yet 5 pm but I’m gonna go put some vodka in it.

Rod on September 22, 2008 at 3:24 PM

AP not only chooses stupid names for himself, but he’s quite the whiner. Get this guy outta here. He keeps thinking this or that poll 40 days before the election means we should give up. – TTheoLogan on September 22, 2008 at 3:12 PM

You should run for office. You have the douchebag vote locked up solid.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Guys, don’t let Allah ruffle your feathers. Bush won Virgina by 8% in 2000 and 9% in 2004. Also the averate of polls for Virgina currently have McCain ahead by 3%. Don’t lose any sleep over Virgina, the GOP owns it.

Maxx on September 22, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Bite me, Womanly Rush. – Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:15 PM

I don’t eat junk food.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Yes, but do they have a batch of ready-made Conservative-slamming lyrics already at hand like RW does? That’s what counts – he likes quoting them. :P

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 3:22 PM

It would be an asset if the quotes had any truth to them, instead of just liberal wishful thinking and paranoia.

AubieJon on September 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM

A little story:

In early September 1998, two months before Ventura won election as Governor of Minnesota, the polls were showing Ventura at 10%.

The final poll conducted by the state’s oldest newspaper, the St. Paul Pioneer Press, in the days just before the 1998 election, showed Ventura at 24%.

The final poll in 1998 by St. Cloud University also showed Ventura with 24% support.

Result: 1998 election for Governor
Jesse Ventura (Ref.), 37%
Norm Coleman (R), 34%
Hubert H. Humphrey III (DFL), 28%

A friend of mine predicted the victory on the day of the election. He had an inside track – you see, he was a tool truck driver.

Before the first results were in he told me, point blank, “Jesse won.”

It seems nearly every auto mechanic he met with told him almost exactly the same thing – as follows: “I have not voted for 20 years, but today I went and voted for Jesse.”

In this election I submit that polls, if not entirely worthless, are less predictive than usual. It comes down to voter turnout. I predict that Sarah Palin wins the election by bringing an army or regular folks to the polls.

Time will tell – polling won’t.

Steve_Roberts on September 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Acorn must be out spreading cash around again.
L

letget on September 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM

That collapse in support for the ‘Cuda among women is eye-popping, although I’m not sure how to square it with the data from the new Lifetime poll showing a monster 34-point swing towards McCain on the question of which candidate better understands women and their concerns. Having to guess, I’d guess women didn’t like what they saw in the Gibson interview, but the obvious culprit — Palin’s position on abortion — doesn’t jibe with the big gain in understanding women’s “concerns.” Any theories?

Yes, Team McCain doesn’t know what they’re doing and didn’t actually appeal to the people who were newly interested in his campaign… he played right into the “Lipstick on a Pig” narrative… this election isn’t going to be close… Obama in a landslide… it was lost when McCain was up big and they didn’t try to solidify their gains by actually sitting down and figuring out how to keep the people who just moved over

ninjapirate on September 22, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Polls are important…just not these. The only polls that mean anything are the ones the candidates pay the big bucks for. The info we get is free, designed to sell papers, to keep it close.
The internals we will never know, we can just guess by how the candidates react.
The polls show a positive move for Obama’s negative campaign, that’ why it will continue.
McCain has to rebound with his own attack. Probably on the security issue, the earmarks/economy, why hasn’t the dems started to investigate what went wrong with Fannie and Freddie stuff.
The point is, free polls are meant to sell papers.

right2bright on September 22, 2008 at 3:27 PM

It’s still early- we’ve not had the first debate yet, and the campaign ads have only recently started running. If Obama remains up a month from now then feel free to panic. But when polls shift 4 points in a day or two in a close race, it’s not worth getting worked up about.

I’ve no evidence, but my gut feeling is that by the time lever-pulling time comes around, Obama’s shine will have faded and the grownups will vote for the safer, more reliable McCain over the untested Obama.

It’s going to be close and could go either way. The GOP needs to weaken the Dem brand by pointing out their failures with regards to corruption, earmarks, and the current financial mess. The bi-partisan “maverick” meme needs to become a bit more partisan with respect to Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank, Jefferson, etc.

Hollowpoint on September 22, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Grrrrrue. Grue-man. Grue-ster. The Grue-meister. Grue-O-Raaaamaaaa. Grue.

*smiles*

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:28 PM

AP not only chooses stupid names for himself, but he’s quite the whiner. Get this guy outta here. He keeps thinking this or that poll 40 days before the election means we should give up.

TTheoLogan on September 22, 2008 at 3:12 PM

This from a guy with two t’s in his name.

Uh huh…

upinak on September 22, 2008 at 3:28 PM

dont forget to count the military votes

steviedfromnc on September 22, 2008 at 3:28 PM

“There are much better bass players after whom to name yourself.

AubieJon on September 22, 2008 at 3:20 PM”

Maybe half of the garage bands in the country have better bass players. How many of them could write The Wall or Animals or Dark Side??

*eats* <=== just kidding, thats geeky

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Steve Z on September 22, 2008 at 3:19 PM

Maybe… but there are also a LOT of blacks in SE Virginia. Hampton Roads, Newport News, etc. all have huge black populations. So those numbers could hold true. All depends on the turnout, I imagine.

Abby Adams on September 22, 2008 at 3:29 PM

I think that Survey USA poll sample was 38% Dem, 33% Repub. Regardless, its clear that Obama, inexplicably, has gained ground and eliminated the McCain bounce. We can’t ignore that…nationally, the trend is the same.

But, with that said, we’ve still got over a month to go, and the race is essentially tied. McCain can certainly still win, and in this environment he’s fortunate to be in that position. Do I believe he wins VA on Election Day? Right now, no…that is the only major poll showing an Obama lead, and the margin seems a bit high.

I don’t know what the debates will change, honestly, but I hope McCain goes in to play and not just be Mr. Bipartisan. Fact is, McCain isn’t just running against Obama…he’s also running against the current administration, a weak economy, an unpopular war, and a hostile media hell-bent on seeing Obama in the White House. That’s a tough hill to climb. Did the Gibson interview help? Probably not…

changer1701 on September 22, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Like I’ve been saying McCain isn’t going to get the women vote. If McCain or Palin were pro-choice than perhaps there would be a chance.

McCain can’t switch to a pro-choise stance, or Palin as a matter of fact. They’ll loose the base that is pro-life. Period. That’s a problem that need to be adressed by the GOP in the future. A more relaxed view on abortion might help with women’s vote.

Also the averate of polls for Virgina currently have McCain ahead by 3%. Don’t lose any sleep over Virgina, the GOP owns it.

Well, I am not so sure. GOP has to work for Virginia this time.

clemycali on September 22, 2008 at 3:30 PM

McCain is letting Obama rip him too much on the current financial crisis.
McCain needs to pound away on Obama’s ties to Freddie & Fannie and how the Democrats failed to rein them in.
(Where are the Republican ads blaming this on the Democrats?
Read this article by Bloomberg news:
“How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis” )

albill on September 22, 2008 at 3:30 PM

I’ve been sipping on coke here. It’s not yet 5 pm but I’m gonna go put some vodka in it.

Rod on September 22, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Vodka in Coke? YUCK!

Man don’t listen to the polls.. when have they ever been right? Especially with Obama-nuts and Paulians running away with themon the internet?

upinak on September 22, 2008 at 3:30 PM

amerpundit on September 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Don’t forget the priceless Biden soundbite where he explains that Hillary is the better VP choice. Look for that one after the deadline for swapping running mates passes.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:30 PM

“Grrrrrue. Grue-man. Grue-ster. The Grue-meister. Grue-O-Raaaamaaaa. Grue.

*smiles*

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:28 PM”

Grue-geek. Grue-nerd. Grue-nolifer. The Gruepie.

*barfs*

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:31 PM

There are much better bass players after whom to name yourself.

AubieJon on September 22, 2008 at 3:20 PM

I’m sorry, I can tolerate all types of distortions, I will patiently listen to you explaining that 9/11 was a Mossad plot, that AIDS is a CIA weapon to eliminate blacks or that the moon landing was faked, but some statements are just beyond the pale, and this is clearly one of them.

factoid on September 22, 2008 at 3:32 PM

it was lost when McCain was up big

And then you woke up

Spirit of 1776 on September 22, 2008 at 3:32 PM

No, it don’t make no sense. I’m not sure what this obsession with polls is. The only poll that matters is the one on Election Day.

Allah either needs to start drinking heavily, or get himself some nice electroshock therapy. Or both. Dude, lay off the polls.

eyedoc on September 22, 2008 at 3:14 PM

I agree that we shouldn’t get terribly worked up about day to day polls, but would you be suggesting that today’s results be completely ignored if they showed McCain up 4 points?

Hollowpoint on September 22, 2008 at 3:32 PM

amen, factoid

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Bull – too many retired Navy.

The legions of lawyers here in Northern VA are largely transients, many of them aren’t even registered here.

NoDonkey on September 22, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure.

Right_of_Attila on September 22, 2008 at 3:33 PM

I guess it’s time for the obligatory “Don’t feed the troll” admonition. Sorry I did, folks. Won’t do it again and I suggest you do likewise.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Yeah, stop feeding WomanlyRush.

Thanks folks

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Notice it’s only the trolls that seems to have problems with the tagline?

By the way… I proudly admit being a Geek and a Nerd, I make a good living off of it – less on the monetary scale, more on the fact that I happen to like my job. ;)
I’ll admit I don’t have much of a life, but hey in my situation it’s better for my finances that way. :)
And I do like pie. :D

Carry on.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Where have you been, Grue? Haven’t seen you around these parts for a while.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Maybe half of the garage bands in the country have better bass players. How many of them could write The Wall or Animals or Dark Side??

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Depends on whether they were Mormons from Massachussets or not.

Hollowpoint on September 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM

I always say follow the money. Obama is still playing ads in NC and VA. As well as McCain so both camps still think they are close. same in FL. Ga Obama pulled out of. Nc,VA and FL are the races to watch in battleground states. If Obama pulls ads from NC and FL. then he will concentrate that wealth in VA. I think you are seeing a switch as Mi, OH, and Pa turn red and Va turns blue due to the washington effect.

unseen on September 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Like I’ve been saying McCain isn’t going to get the women vote. If McCain or Palin were pro-choice than perhaps there would be a chance. Majority of women are Dems, that’s just the way it is. That’s why I think it’s funny that Obama has been pandering so much. There’s no need!

Did Team McCain even try to get the women’s vote beyond superficial marketing?

They could have won the women vote if they would have pivoted on health care to provide for all children and nudged hard on physical activity…

ninjapirate on September 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Yeah, stop feeding WomanlyRush.

Thanks folks

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Is there a reason you come into this Blog other then to annoy others?

You are nothing but a tick on the ass-end of a hog about to be slaughtered.

upinak on September 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM

My observations today from Virginia Beach: There is a huge plywood sign up next to my daughter’s school on city property (I’m pretty sure), which has “Stop the Bailouts” in neon green spraypaint. I’m not sure how long it’ll last, but it made me smile to see it there.

Also, just got my McCain/Palin bumperstickers in the mail – while taping them to my car window (inside), my neighbor from three doors down was driving by. He stopped to watch, and promptly flicked me off. I’m tempting fate, I know, but my car is alarmed, and I’m not going to drive into Norfolk anytime before Nov 5th (unless it’s on I-64).

I’ve been saying this all along – my area of Va (Hampton Roads, at least, Southside) is blue for Obama. When I started seeing the stickers for him on military-stickered vehicles, that’s when I knew things were turning bad.

Anna on September 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM

You are nothing but a tick on the ass-end of a hog about to be slaughtered. – upinak on September 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Please, Upinak. Don’t feed it.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Anna on September 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Anna but were the wives driving?

You know how I know….

upinak on September 22, 2008 at 3:37 PM

“By the way… I proudly admit being a Geek and a Nerd, I make a good living off of it – less on the monetary scale, more on the fact that I happen to like my job. ;)
I’ll admit I don’t have much of a life, but hey in my situation it’s better for my finances that way. :)
And I do like pie. :D”

Got it. Now you are playing for the sympathy vote. You and womanlyRush start calling people trolls and then play the sympathy card and the “dont feed the trolls” card when you guys are the ones starting the name calling.

You guys are democrats, right? Sure act like it….or Huckabots.

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Where have you been, Grue? Haven’t seen you around these parts for a while.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/22/mccain-honcho-steve-schmidt-the-new-york-times-is-a-pro-obama-advocacy-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-1445710

:)

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Don’t feed it, folks. However, feel free to talk about openly – as if they aren’t there. They hate that.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Everytime McCain blames Republicans for the current mess, or says that he would appoint Andrew Cuomo as head of the SEC – he might as well say “vote for Obama”.

He needs to go after the LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC policies that got us into this. If he is going to blame Republicans, then he should make it clear that they messed things up by acting like LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.

Nothing to add, I just thought that needed repeating.

flenser on September 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM

I’ve no evidence, but my gut feeling is that by the time lever-pulling time comes around, Obama’s shine will have faded and the grownups will vote for the safer, more reliable McCain over the untested Obama.

You could be right. I think this is exactly where much of the rest of the campaign will be fought (besides on the economy, of course). McCain’s problem is that he’s already well-known and respected (he’s “safe”), but still can’t break through to a majority in most of the important polls. He can’t get much “safer”, so the only change that can occur in his favor is if Obama looks more “risky”. Obama, on the other hand, is the “risky” pick already, and can help himself a great deal if he appears cool, calm, and collected during the debates, and does not say anything crazy. This is, in some ways, similar to the situation Reagan found himself in in 1980 vs. Carter. People didn’t like the way the country was going under Carter, but Reagan was exotic and had a reputation as an ideological warrior. With some good humor and clear answers in the debates, he appeared significantly less risky, and jumped to a big lead. The danger is that Obama might do the same thing.

Big S on September 22, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Roger Waters is better off ignored. Those with nothing to add should be dismissed for having nothing to add.

either orr on September 22, 2008 at 3:39 PM

but some statements are just beyond the pale, and this is clearly one of them.

factoid on September 22, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Oh, please. A week after I bought The Wall I had the entire thing picked out and could play it by heart. It was a great album and painted a portrait of angst that resonated with our age group. But what it all boiled down to was an extremely warped allegory as imagined by a group of Brits seriously in need of a drug intervention.

AubieJon on September 22, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Got it. Hope you are refreshed and feeling better.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Now you are playing for the sympathy vote.

Not particularly, no. You called me a nerd, I said “Yes, proudly.” How is that calling for sympathy?

I call you a troll because you act like one. Don’t like it, stop acting like it.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 3:40 PM

These polls are meaningless. The AOL straw poll (meaningless by definition) shows McCain with a 50 state sweep (300,000 or so total votes) for whatever that’s worth. No indication on how the other 7 states voted though.

McCain/Palin’08 V I C T O R Y

J.J. Sefton on September 22, 2008 at 3:40 PM

either orr on September 22, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Agreed. Like I said, discuss it but never address it.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Virginia is turning blue and the reason is demographics. Northern Virginia with its prosperous, suburban, highly educated, left-leaning population is growing like crazy. The Governor is a Dem, the junior Senator is a Dem and, with the other Senate seat coming up in November the Dem candidate is leading 2-to-1 in the polls. McCain has a slight chance against Obama this year, but on a historical scale the tide has turned and in 2012 Virginia is going to be just as solidly blue as neighboring Maryland (especially since congressional districts will be reapportioned after the 2010 census).

factoid on September 22, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Anna but were the wives driving?

You know how I know….

upinak on September 22, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Whenever I see a vehicle with a Che sticker and a Marine sticker (over 2 dozen down here), I always figure one is for the husband, one for the wife. Still, it worries me, because the dependant might actually be registered to vote in Virginia, and the military spouse may be registered elsewhere. That’s how my husband and I were until I convinced him otherwise last year. Not that he’s happy to be a Va resident, but his vote matters more down here now than in Maryland.

Anna on September 22, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Don’t feed it, Grue. Eventually it will go back under the bridge.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Like I’ve been saying McCain isn’t going to get the women vote. If McCain or Palin were pro-choice than perhaps there would be a chance.

Women don’t vote on “choice”. At least, the ones who do will always vote left.

flenser on September 22, 2008 at 3:41 PM

“Oh, please. A week after I bought The Wall I had the entire thing picked out and could play it by heart. It was a great album and painted a portrait of angst ”

angst and alienation and relationships and life and stuff. Sounds like you didnt really get it that well. thats cool.

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Virginia will still vote with its pocketbook, and somewhere between Dahlgren, Quantico, Belvoir, Norfolk, The Pentagon, Fort Lee and Fort Eustis you reach a critical mass of Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and contrators who, in the words of one of my contractors here in Germany, “Ain’t ’bout to vote themselves into a pink slip.” Cute theory about Obama winning Virginia because of the influx of liberals into three counties, but it can’t compete with balance of the Commonwealth voting to keep its jobs, gun, and history.

Fredericksburg ain’t northern Virginia.

Spc Steve on September 22, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Let it go, Aubie.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:43 PM

“I call you a troll because you act like one. Don’t like it, stop acting like it.”

Grue’s definition of a troll = having an opinion stated briefly that he doesnt care for.

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:43 PM

All I have to say is, unless McCain pulls within the margin of error on the national polls and gets at least 230 electoral college votes “locked in” by the end of the VP presidential debate, I think Obama is a shoo-in absent any major debacles, October Surprises, or campaign chicanery. And that’s just a crying shame.

Anyone ever notice that there are a ton of Obama bumper stickers and posters around, and virtually none for McCain?

Outlander on September 22, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Virginia is turning blue and the reason is demographics.

Let it be noted that the GOP “elite” is cheering on this demographic change.

flenser on September 22, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Got it. Hope you are refreshed and feeling better.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Quite, thanks for the thought :)

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Hey Aubie, WomanlyRush is telling you to let it go. Best do what General WomanlyRush tell you. HA HA

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 3:44 PM

And, lest anyone think I’m odd, I collect bumperstickers. I also love reading them on other cars (although my two campaign stickers are the first I’ve put on this car). I just notice these things. It’s also easy to remember vehicles down here, because everybody and their third cousin twice-removed personalizes their license plates. : )

Anna on September 22, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Anyone ever notice that there are a ton of Obama bumper stickers and posters around, and virtually none for McCain?

Outlander on September 22, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Considering the few I do see end up keyed, I think there’s a reason.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM

In this election I submit that polls, if not entirely worthless, are less predictive than usual. It comes down to voter turnout. I predict that Sarah Palin wins the election by bringing an army or regular folks to the polls.

Time will tell – polling won’t.

Steve_Roberts on September 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM

I hope that is right but isn’t that what the Dems are saying about the black vote? And they are absolutely right. If I was black I’d be voting for Obama. That would be the best roll model my kids could ever have and what a boost to self-esteem.

I understand the black vote in Virginia is huge. I don’t understand why the military vote isn’t stronger though.

petunia on September 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Anna on September 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Hey VB Anna, I’ve got a Navy Seal down there with you. He’ll be shipping out again on the 27th of this month for parts only known to close family members. Are you military, or in military family?

According to my first born, there are no, nada, zip seals who will cast a vote for Obama. Wear your bumper sticker with pride!

fogw on September 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM

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