Survey USA: Obama by six in Virginia, up four points in two weeks; Update: Women indifferent to Palin’s abortion position?

posted at 3:05 pm on September 22, 2008 by Allahpundit

The margins in Gallup and Rasmussen are unchanged from yesterday and probably/hopefully won’t move much before Friday’s debate so we need new polls to obsess over. How does Virginia turnin’ baby blue grab you?

Compared to an identical SurveyUSA poll released one week ago, Obama is up 1 point; McCain is down 1 point; compared to a SurveyUSA poll two weeks ago, Obama is up 4, McCain is down 4.

Since 1952, Virginia has voted Republican 13 times and Democrat only once, in 1964. Today: In the Washington DC suburbs, Obama now polls at 59% and leads McCain by 21 points. Obama leads by 10 in Southeast VA and by 4 in Central VA. McCain’s regional advantage is confined to the Shenandoah, where he is 14 points atop Obama. Among women, Obama led by 6 points before Sarah Palin was named to the GOP ticket, now leads by 16.

The good news: Survey USA consistently shows Obama doing better in the state than any other major pollster, some of whom have Maverick up big. The bad news: Survey USA’s usually pretty accurate. But never mind that. How do we explain the two-week bounce? If it’s all collateral damage from the financial meltdown, you’d expect to have seen the bulk of it last week, not the week before. That collapse in support for the ‘Cuda among women is eye-popping, although I’m not sure how to square it with the data from the new Lifetime poll showing a monster 34-point swing towards McCain on the question of which candidate better understands women and their concerns. Having to guess, I’d guess women didn’t like what they saw in the Gibson interview, but the obvious culprit — Palin’s position on abortion — doesn’t jibe with the big gain in understanding women’s “concerns.” Any theories?

Update: Ugh. Obama by five, says Hotline’s daily tracker, up four from yesterday. It looks like it’s coming from indies, doubtless due to economic concerns. Note: “Among women, Obama/Biden hold a 13% margin — equalling their largest lead among women in the tracking poll.” Women also gave Obama a huge advantage on the economy in the Lifetime poll.

Update: There’s more to Palin’s “ordinary gal” persona than just the gal part, of course:

The Palin pick also appears to be a galvanizing force among rural voters as a whole, according to another new poll – also out today – from the Center for Rural Strategies. Among respondents in the rural regions of thirteen battleground states, half said that Palin’s presence on the ticket has made them more likely to support McCain in November. But the poll’s results, which showed a 51-41 advantage for McCain, also underscore the deafening concern over the economy that dominates voters’ decision making. Fifty-one percent of the rural residents surveyed placed the economy and jobs at the top of the list, with other issues like energy (25%) and the war (21%) comparatively left in the dust.

Update: A key nugget from the Lifetime poll that explodes the abortion theory: Women don’t seem overly concerned about it.

The poll also looked at women’s views on Governor Palin and found that a majority (52%) of women had a mostly positive view while 29% were mostly negative and 13 percent neutral.

Of the women who had negative views, 48 percent said it was because of the governor’s position on the issues. Of that 48 percent, just 18 percent pointed to her pro-life position as the main position they opposed.

That means just 2.5 percent of all women surveyed in the poll indicated they disagree with Palin on the issues and say abortion is the reason why.

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Dorvillian on September 22, 2008 at 6:10 PM

“I told her liberals don’t own homes.

faraway on September 22, 2008 at 5:54 PM”

Of course they own homes. They just couldnt afford the mortgages that the bank was forced to give them and they defaulted and/or walked when they couldnt make the payment thus throwing our economy on the brink of disaster.

But, take heart. Obama wants to make even more unaffordable housing available to bad credits based on the government dole, McCain was a POW and Palin played point guard on her high school girls basketball team….so we are in good shape.

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 6:13 PM

*sniff*

Ugh…troll breath.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Of course they own homes. They just couldnt afford the mortgages that the bank was forced to give them and they defaulted and/or walked when they couldnt make the payment thus throwing our economy on the brink of disaster.

Own = bought and paid for. If you own your home, you can’t get thrown out (unless you go and do something silly like put it up as collateral for something).

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 6:19 PM

The five Rasmussen state poll numbers are out:

Florida McCain 51-46
Virginia McCain 50-48
Ohio McCain 50-46
Michigan Obama 51-44
Pennsylvania Obama 48-45

Rasmussen has a good record of following voter trends in state polls–in 2004, if their last pre-election poll is compared to the actual results, they only missed one state (they had Bush winning Wisconsin by 1%, which he might have done without Milwaukee voter fraud).

Since Sarah Palin managed to wow them in Florida, maybe she needs to campaign in Virginia and Pennsylvania soon!

As for SUSA, they need to do some REAL polling!

Steve Z on September 22, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Steve Z on September 22, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Wow. Glad to see he’s still holding in VA and OH. Looks like PA will be the battleground this year. Hopefully, the new NRA ads will help.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Anna and Marine_Bio

Do not despair that Hampton/Roads has gone to Obama. I would wager the reason that you are seeing more Obama sticker is that the Obamatrons have been on board since the beginning. He could have picked Mickey Mouse for a running mate and it would have made no difference. I would wager that most McCain supporters were waiting on the running mate choice and I know for a fact that McCain/Palin sticker are flying out of the area campaign offices as fast as they can get them. I was told that 150 of them were gone in hours out of the Newport News headquarters last week – so all hope is not lost. Also remember that while Norfolk is bluish – MOST of the peninsula is not . . . not even close.

Govgirl on September 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM

flenser is banned.

Allahpundit on September 22, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Why?

How about including alphie?

Janos Hunyadi on September 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM

“Own = bought and paid for. If you own your home, you can’t get thrown out (unless you go and do something silly like put it up as collateral for something).”

Wrong. You must be as knowledgable about economics and finance as the candidates. You legally own your home if you have title even if you have a mortgage. Everybody at some point gets a home mortgage…unless you are a trust fund baby or you are REAL kooky and say things like *eats* at the end of every post.

WomanlyRush, seriously dude, get a life. Hey Allah, how about limiting posters to 30 a day. That way, WomanlyRush, the self appointed hall monitor will be forced to step away from the computer.

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Janos Hunyadi on September 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM

If Ralphie x’s the line like that, she’ll get the hammer too. It was appropriate.

Spirit of 1776 on September 22, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Just a little more McSurging in the wrong direction and it just might be time to stop McThinking about 2008 so much, and start thinking, Romney or Jindel in 2012.

MB4 on September 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM

*gag* Whew…the stench is awful. Some trolls are worse than others, I suppose.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM

McAmen, MB$

Roger Waters on September 22, 2008 at 6:28 PM

Spirit of 1776 on September 22, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Alphie isn’t THAT demented, Spirit.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 6:28 PM

Everybody at some point gets a home mortgage…unless you are a trust fund baby or you are REAL kooky and say things like *eats* at the end of every post.

Guess my family’s the exception…. My parents blatantly warned me never to get one, never have themselves (I trust my parents not to lie to me, if that’s what you’re thinking), and generally pass on sound advice. Of course, at the moment I’m simply a college student living in an apartment so heh, what would I know? /iSarc

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Own = bought and paid for. If you own your home, you can’t get thrown out (unless you go and do something silly like put it up as collateral for something).

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Yes and no.

One may “own” their house “free and clear” but one must kinda/sorta pay your local government rent in the form of property taxes.

IIRC, in the sate of Nevada they have a little something called Allodial title [if you qualify]. With such title, your property can’t be taken away if you live a lawful life. Allodial title may not be passed down IIRC.

Back on topic:

We’re screwed.

Let me see if I can say it…..President Oba……President Obam…….. President O…… just can’t seem to do it.

toliver on September 22, 2008 at 6:30 PM

The SUSA poll is probably garbage. Obama by 10 in Southeast Virginia, with all the military bases and veterans, who probably will vote McCain by a landslide? Who did they poll down there, Code Pink?

Steve Z on September 22, 2008 at 3:19 PM

Don’t take any landslide by veterans for McCain to the bank or Henry will probably have to bail you out.

MB4 on September 22, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Bunch of pussies those of you getting worried about a few bumps. Don’t need ya.

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Man the lifeboats the polls are dropping! POTUSOBAMA — even the syllables fit nicely!!!

Bradky on September 22, 2008 at 7:03 PM

Lunatics left and right need to realize that the race is essentially a dead heat

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Polls are trending MCCAINS way…this is a big bounce….LOL.

Jamson64 on September 14, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Yesterday….All my troubles seemed so far away. Now it looks as though they are here to stay. Oh I believe in yesterday…

Bradky on September 22, 2008 at 7:08 PM

Bradky’s a stalker I see.

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:10 PM

BRADKY I am banking on your racist buddies to come through

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:10 PM

As they say in the hood “just keeping it real…” just think of me as your memory.

Bradky on September 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Bradky on September 22, 2008 at 7:08 PM

When I get home I’m shopping a pic of Obama with that as the subtitle. I’m inspired. Thanks. :)

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 7:12 PM

BRADKY I am banking on your racist buddies to come through

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Ah a Democrat you are?

Bradky on September 22, 2008 at 7:12 PM

Bradky I feel complimented that I made such an impression. Though I am taken you really should look elsewhere for your attention.

Come the Wednesday after the election you and your racist party will be thinking: ” WTF happened?”

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Aw shucks homey. calling me a racist now? Blacks have voted for white democrats at 80-85% for the longest time now. The fact that it went above 90% this time is about on parity with the 6% of whites who would not vote for Obama due to race. In other words 88% of the population are probably not racist, regardless of color. Get some reality with that poll crow pie my friend.

Bradky on September 22, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Bradky may you should read up. DEMS are the ones who have the racist views that may turn this election. Its not the Repubs. Maybe if you spent more time reading and less time stalking you would know that.

Additionally, the reality is that based on state by state projections today Obama has a lead of 8 in the electoral college…..so Bradkey me suggests ye keep it real a little longer cuz its a dog fight. If all stayed the same and Pennsylvania goes MCCAIN game over. Its that close.

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Get Cuda out to Virginia NOW!

Arlington? Or, another part of the state?

Sapwolf on September 22, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Its that close.

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:20 PM

OCD doesn’t become you. Neither does a position that asserts all racists are in one particular political party.

Bradky on September 22, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Get Cuda out to Virginia NOW!

Arlington? Or, another part of the state?

Sapwolf on September 22, 2008 at 7:22 PM

What on earth will she do there? Lessons on computer security?

Bradky on September 22, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Bradky you have comprehension problems. I said your racist party. It is obvious that does not mean everyone in the party is racist. How old are you anyway? Must be the product of some failed school system. Dems have been presiding over failed cities and schools in effort to increase their prospective voters. Its quite evident you cannot read and comprehend.

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Bunch of pussies those of you getting worried about a few bumps. Don’t need ya.

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Exuuuuuuuse me tough guy, but I’m looking at the battlegrounds.

Obama is turning a couple reds to blue, but we aren’t doing likewise. Iowa, New Mexico and Colorado are looking like Obama states. Virginia, Nevada and New Hampshire [Bush states]are shaky.

If we can keep the shaky states we can afford to lose Iowa, New Mexico and Colorado.

McCain/Palin 313

Obama/Biden 269

We need to turn PA and/or MI for insurance. With the economy going the way it is, I see things going South for us. McCain needs a better message.

toliver on September 22, 2008 at 7:33 PM

Later Bradky ….. Find someone else to stalk ya freak+

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:33 PM

Wow tolliver …appears a I hit a nerve. Wonder why. Later

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:34 PM

just think of me as your memory. – Bradky on September 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Hemorrhoid is more like it.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 7:34 PM

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Take a valtrex and chill

Bradky on September 22, 2008 at 7:39 PM

*sniff* Ugh. More trolls.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Wow tolliver …appears a I hit a nerve. Wonder why. Later

Jamson64 on September 22, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Obama as Prez would be horrid, as the guy is a socialist. Our entitlements are 60 trillion in the red w/in 30 or so years. We just spend a trillion on the mortgage mess. Prez Obama will indulge himself with every welfare program [even his "tax cut" is a welfare program] he can shove down our throats. Socialized medicine will be a disaster.

Having said all that, I must accept that fact that it looks better than even Obama will win, so I must prepare my mind for it now, so in November it won’t be such shock.

I understand AP’s electoral pessimism.

The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised. — George Will

toliver on September 22, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Obligatory douse the flames of the faithful thread by AP. Go forth abd prosper everyone.

Fuquay Steve on September 22, 2008 at 9:21 PM

SurveyUSA is an automated poll. If you hit the wrong button…oops. Too bad. However, they are quite accurate most of the time. They’re either really lucky, or I’m missing something.

SouthernGent on September 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Daily poll watching is like constantly tapping a barometer in the hope that different weather will result.

The debates will focus the nation’s view of these two.

McCain needs to remind everyone of Obama’s dismal judgment – in mentors like Wright, preachers like Pfleger, friends like Rezko, allies like Farrakhan and fellow-travellers like Ayers.

Barry’s personal incompetence in those who he associates with demonstrates his inability to do anything but pander, pimp, prevaricate and posture.

Hit him at his weak chink- judgment (on the Surge, etc.) and tear open the Empty Suit for all Americans to finally see.

profitsbeard on September 22, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Grue in the Attic on September 22, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Your name is full of win. Just wanted you to know that.

spmat on September 22, 2008 at 10:15 PM

profitsbeard on September 22, 2008 at 9:47 PM

The crowd just did the wave on that comment. Spot on.

I think that McCain will do really well the first debate, Palin will mop the floor with O’Biden in the VP debates, then Barry will do much better the 2nd time around with McCain. I think the damage will be done after the first debate though. I remain optimistic.

My 2¢.

Mojave Mark on September 22, 2008 at 10:20 PM

What on earth will she do there? Lessons on computer security?

Bradky on September 22, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Give a speech competently without hand-holding maybe?

[obama]
Uhh…. uh…. Breathalizer … inhalator.. uhh… I uh…. uuuuhhhhhhh.. I haven’t gotten much sleep in the uh.. past 48 hours uhhhh….
[/obama]

Funny thing is, I used to think Obama was impressive. I thought he was going to sail through to an easy win in November. Not so much any more, really. I’ve stood next to brick walls with more presence of mind.

spmat on September 22, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Just a little more McSurging in the wrong direction and it just might be time to stop McThinking about 2008 so much, and start thinking, Romney or Jindel in 2012.

MB4 on September 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Right on, MB4 !!!

Shelby on September 22, 2008 at 10:31 PM

We need to turn PA and/or MI for insurance. With the economy going the way it is, I see things going South for us. McCain needs a better message.
toliver on September 22, 2008 at 7:33 PM

We needed Romney as the nominee! He totally would have known what was going on with the economy and what to do about it!

Too bad McLair lied about Romney having an Iraqi timetable for leaving, which allowed McLiar to win Florida. He’s such a lyin’ creep! Even Rove told McLair to stop making up stuff about EGObama.

I read today that Florida might again decide this election. If McLiar then lost Florida…Oh, sweet karma!

Shelby on September 22, 2008 at 10:47 PM

SurveyUSA is an automated poll. If you hit the wrong button…oops. Too bad. However, they are quite accurate most of the time. They’re either really lucky, or I’m missing something.

SouthernGent on September 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM

If it’s “too bad” if you hit the wrong button, wouldn’t that tend to slant things against Democrats? Like them “hitting the wrong button chad” in Florida in 2000 probably cost Gore the election.

MB4 on September 22, 2008 at 11:17 PM

MB4 on September 22, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. It is what it is, folks. You either climb aboard the McCain /Palin Express or you hang out at the local bar, swilling warm beer and listening to Springsteen’s Glory Days and wonder what if. Your call.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 11:24 PM

On election night I think that I will stay home, drink cool microbrew and listen to the Battle Song of the Valkyries.

MB4 on September 23, 2008 at 12:14 AM

“We needed Romney as the nominee! He totally would have known what was going on with the economy and what to do about it!

Too bad McLair lied about Romney having an Iraqi timetable for leaving, which allowed McLiar to win Florida. He’s such a lyin’ creep! Even Rove told McLair to stop making up stuff about EGObama.

I read today that Florida might again decide this election. If McLiar then lost Florida…Oh, sweet karma!

Shelby on September 22, 2008 at 10:47 PM”

Yes, that was very McLame the way Mcliar said that Romney wanted a Mctimetable. Mcliar will do whatever it Mctakes but his McChoice for the McVP is going to McCost him the McElection. Which Mcserves that Mcbastard Mcright.

McGood Mcnight.

Roger Waters on September 23, 2008 at 1:26 AM

Roger Waters on September 23, 2008 at 1:26 AM

McAmen!!!! He’s a McFreakin McLiar and a McLoser to boot!

And a McGood McNight to you as well, Roger.

Shelby on September 23, 2008 at 3:18 AM

spmat on September 22, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Palin is not all that you wish her to be. Sly comparisons with Reagan are the most laughable. She is better than Quayle — that is about as much credibility I will give her. Call me old fashioned but proving herself on the national stage when it matters versus scripted speeches is the real test.
It is kind of like the FredLove express that derailed so quickly. Too many are looking for Reagan’s reincarnation – many of those people weren’t old enough to really remember Reagan or to have even voted for him.
Reagan earned his way to presidency over a sixteen year journey that included a couple of terms as governor of California — so far Palin has shot a few moose and been elected Governor once.

Bradky on September 23, 2008 at 6:30 AM

Shelby on September 23, 2008 at 3:18 AM

McTroll

ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 7:42 AM

As it turns out, McCain was the better choice. Romney’s ties to big business would have destroyed him by this Monday. Oslime-a would be up by 10 points and no amount of NRA ads would help.
And don”t forget that Mitt was completely disconnected from the realities that military families experience. He was consistently wrong on identifying with us. AND the wiener never responded to the dozens of emails I sent him on the subject.

csdeven on September 23, 2008 at 7:59 AM

so far Palin has shot a few moose and been elected Governor once. – Bradky on September 23, 2008 at 6:30 AM

You forgot her stint as mayor of Wasilla.

Let’s see now…city councilwoman for 2 years; mayor for 6 years and president of Alaska Conference of Mayors; Chair of Alaska Conservation Commission; appointed Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from which she soon resigned in order to expose corruption among members of her own party; governor of a state that produces 20% of our national energy during which time she has replaced the entire Board of Agriculture and Conservation because of conflict of interest, passed a landmark ethics reform bill, used her veto power to cut budgetary spending; C-in-C of the Alaskan National Guard; negotiated a pipeline contract with a foreign power.

Clearly no qualified enough to be president. Oh wait…she’s running for the office of vice-president.

How can this ever stack up against the breath-taking experience Obama has acquired over the years?

Let’s see now…Saul Alinsky-inspired “community organizer” who worked closely with the demonstrably corrupt ACORN group; questionable ties to the corrupt Daley political machine and unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers; got elected state senator in 1996 by using technicalities to clear the ballot of opponents; served in the part-time state senator job for 7 years, voting ‘present’ over 140 times; U.S. senator since 2004 after his opponent dropped out of the race. Since 2006 has been actively campaigning for the presidency of the U.S.

Those are some stats. Crikey…this guy isn’t even qualified to be the vice-president.

ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 8:13 AM

Whenever AP posts a thread re Pallin, it is always geared to make us aware of the threat to this country by those who value community over the individual. Socialism is alive and well in America – it is only a few states away from conquering the America ideal. The silence of the common man is deafening. We must join the battle by all means possible.

Fuquay Steve on September 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Reagan earned his way to presidency over a sixteen year journey that included a couple of terms as governor of California — so far Palin has shot a few moose and been elected Governor once.

Bradky on September 23, 2008 at 6:30 AM

Reagan was also one of the oldest men to be elected to the presidency. Your argument reduces to one against age per se. Sarah Palin has achieved as much as someone her age possibly could, especially given that she did not come from either wealth, privilege or position. Her accomplishments are self-started, in an executive capacity and in both the public and private sectors.

Obama does not stand up to that level of scrutiny.

spmat on September 23, 2008 at 12:20 PM

ManlyRash on September 23, 2008 at 8:13 AM

*sniff sniff* I smell troll

Roger Waters on September 23, 2008 at 12:23 PM

spmat on September 23, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Let’s talk about rockets – Spmat: look the plane the plane.

Nice try at dodging the issue.

Bradky on September 23, 2008 at 8:10 PM

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