And just by this appearing in the press, he’ll gain a few “sympathy points”.

More important than the silliness of race, I think he’s gained 20 points by being the MSM’s favorite – he’s not had to withstand any significant scrutiny – it’s hard to say if that’s because he’s a liberal darling of the press or a black darling of the press – but regardless, he’s the darling of the press.

Nope.

The fact is, were it not for Obama’s semi-ethnicity he wouldn’t have made it in Chicago and he sure as hell wouldn’t have been picked as Dem nominee.

If Dems were given the choice between two snobby white guys, they’d have easily picked Edwards over Obama.

I’d bet ya he gets 20 points from the MSM.

The Race Card on September 22, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Here’s a few things that might help you in your attacks on me:

Note that by defining my post as an “attack” you have also defined the post I referred to as being an “attack”.

1) I’m not a weasel; I can be a prick.

Point taken

However, the w-word was used in reference to the way your post danced around the unsaid. I was simply pointing this out. Your reply did continue the dancing though…

2) I’m voting for McCain.

Nothing personal, but this is easy to say and hard to verify. At the end of your reply you say “… you Republicans…” like you aren’t one. Does that mean you identify yourself as “Independent”? I was tempted by that high sounding word too, when I was younger. Sort of like wanting to flock with the birds that call themselves “open-minded”, “tolerant”, “fair”, etc. etc. etc.

3) I have VERY low expectations for Democrats and VERY high expectations for Republicans.

Good. Me too.

4) I don’t know madmonkphotog well enough to know if he’s a bigot. (Do you?)

Nope. This was why I posted what I posted before regarding your post.

5) Whites still and always be the arbiters of what Blacks refer to themselves as how it will be perceived. (users of “nigga” notwithstanding.)

Sorry, but I find that paternizing. Kind of like cultural affirmative action. I know enough to tell my 5 yr old not to let anyone else define who he is and to not try being someone he isn’t. My 4 yr old probably won’t need that talk as he’s quite his own person. Still, I’ll offer it as a reminder when he’s a year older.

6) Most of my family is White. Most of my friends are White. Most of my classmates, workmates and business partners have been so-called Whites.

Same here. Although I’m not sure what a “so-called white” is. The caveat being that for myself and my siblings, almost all of us are (or were) in “mixed” marriages.

7) Whites referencing identity “confusion” about people of other races and not getting how twisted that is are prevalent.

Personally, I think this is a valid point about CULTURE, but not race. Race just makes it easy to separate people into groups. It is cultural differences that keep them in groups. Hence my “name”.

8) Racism is not all that bad. It’s a moral failing similar to substance abuse. It’s offensive, but then again so is bad breath. I have friends who are admitted racists. It’s not the end of the world to be a bigot. It’s just lame.

Again, race just makes it easier to id a “group”. Most people I know id people one by one after getting to know them. We, by nature, judge people “by their covers”. We have to. Until we get to know them. If someone stops at “the cover” and never takes the time to get to know someone, only then would I go so far as to call them a racist.

I think that more people than not practice racism in their personal lives. I also think that more people than not are offended to think that they MIGHT harbor some racist feelings. It’s very American to feel guilt over issues of race.

I don’t know what “practice racism” means to you. Personally, I’ve never had a chance to do so. I have lived all over the US and in 3 other countries. I have been, and continue to be, discriminatory though. Just like any sane person with standards would be. Basically like you noted in your item 3.

I think that as soon as more whites stop acting guilty, reactionary and wounded (at being called racist) Blacks and other minorities will take you more seriously on issues of race.

I think “seriously” is the wrong word. I do agree that people should stop letting charges of racism stop them from stating valid opinions about Presidential candidates out of fear of being accused of a charge that has no other basis than the fact that they may belong to another race than the candidate.

Reacting with guilt or fear only gives the attacker a strength they don’t deserve since it isn’t based on the merits of the case.

Personally, I have no reason to feel guilt, so I don’t. Anyone who believes in personal responsibility can’t also feel guilt for the crimes of another. Especially if the “other” has no relationship by either bloodline or timeline.

That is not to say that whites should not be taken seriously. Rather, I believe, problematically, the MSM and the Left only trust whites on issues of race when they are admitting to being racist. Republicans can ignore the problems of our own perception at our own peril.

Now, here you id yourself with Republicans by using the word “our”, while below you separate yourself by using “you Republicans”. Not sure what to make of that…

As far as the MSM goes, I think the word isn’t “trust” but rather “use”. As in “use” whites who are self-deprecating and guilt ridden to show how the MSM itself is not a member of the guilty party.

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How often do I read someone on HA whining about being white and dealing with racism?

EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Does that make it invalid? I work mostly with Hispanics, some of whom are very likely illegal. Some have been here for over 20 yrs, but don’t speak English. A good friend of mine is from Brazil. Another is mixed Mexican/Filipino. They are both conservatives. I know exactly what the non-white people here say about both whites and blacks. So, don’t try to tell me that racism isn’t a two way street. They don’t feel the “pressure” to be color blind that whites have to deal with. It would be nice to have some reciprocity with regard to this issue. Fair is fair. Anything else… isn’t.

At what point do you Republicans start to complain about themselves?

NOW!

There is that “you Republicans” thing I was writing about. Personally, I think Republicans complain about themselves too much. Not that it isn’t good to keep an eye on our own, but it should be done in a less cannibalistic way.

Frankly, it’s the same point as the one earlier about not buying into the whole “white guilt” agenda. Doing so just allows the “enemy” to regroup and rearm while not advancing the conservative “ball” down the field.

I could go on, but I’m late for lunch.

Enjoy your new carpet. Watch out for fumes. If they are bad enough, you may wind up filling out an absentee ballot for Obama before you realize what you are doing.

Sorry for the book…

Actually, I’m so sick and tired of being called a racist, even if I wasn’t already voting for McCain, I would now because I’m so sick of being unjustly accused.

Here’s my idea for an ad: Obama video: “Did I mention I’m black? I don’t look like the pres on those dollar bills” then show Obama doing the Hillary brush off, flipping her off, and calling Sarah Palin a pig. Then show John McCain: “Senator Obama, the only person that has mentioned race in this campaign is you. America is not racist, as is shown by your meteoric and historic rise. And quite frankly, the American people are being sick and tired of unjustly being accused of being racist, when they are not. They don’t want to vote for you because you want to take and squander $50 billion of their hard earned money on a global poverty program that will never help the poor. They don’t want to vote for you because you have never once voted to let them keep their own money. Also, the American people can add. They can add up how many times you voted present, how many times you voted to let babies die in closets, how many lies you’ve told on this campaign trail, and how many times you’ve snubbed America’s soldiers and first responders.

Senator Obama, race has nothing to do with it. As much as you want to have your face on the dollar bill, that design is already in place, and your face will not be replacing President Washington’s. The American people don’t like you, don’t trust you, and won’t vote vote for you based on your performance and personality alone. I’m John McCain and I approve this message.”

the number of people not voting for Obama because of his race would be roughly offset by those voting for him expressly or primarily for that reason.

In a sense, almost every BO voter is voting for him because he’s not a Boring White Guy. He would still be in the Chicago legislature if he was White.

…First, Obama beat Hillary Clinton, especially in caucuses, where enthusiasm counts much more than in normal primaries…

You’ve answered your own query here.

Democrats in caucus states had to vote for Obama, they were being watched.

Hillary screamed bloody murder about it – without actually pointing out what part of the caucus process she was protesting.

Now all those racist democrats will get to hide behind a curtain.

McCain will win, but not just because “racist democrats”.

Mainly he’ll win because Barry is too liberal with too little experience. Also John has Sarah.

Two words; Bradley Effect.

Getting carpet installed…gotta leave the office. Not ignoring you but will reply later if it matters.

We can disagree wildly or mildly. I appreciate your time and consideration.

TheCulturalist on September 22, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Here’s a few things that might help you in your attacks on me:

1) I’m not a weasel; I can be a prick.

2) I’m voting for McCain.

3) I have VERY low expectations for Democrats and VERY high expectations for Republicans.

4) I don’t know madmonkphotog well enough to know if he’s a bigot. (Do you?)

5) Whites still and always be the arbiters of what Blacks refer to themselves as how it will be perceived. (users of “nigga” notwithstanding.)

6) Most of my family is White. Most of my friends are White. Most of my classmates, workmates and business partners have been so-called Whites.

7) Whites referencing identity “confusion” about people of other races and not getting how twisted that is are prevalent.

8) Racism is not all that bad. It’s a moral failing similar to substance abuse. It’s offensive, but then again so is bad breath. I have friends who are admitted racists. It’s not the end of the world to be a bigot. It’s just lame.

I think that more people than not practice racism in their personal lives. I also think that more people than not are offended to think that they MIGHT harbor some racist feelings. It’s very American to feel guilt over issues of race.

I think that as soon as more whites stop acting guilty, reactionary and wounded (at being called racist) Blacks and other minorities will take you more seriously on issues of race.

That is not to say that whites should not be taken seriously. Rather, I believe, problematically, the MSM and the Left only trust whites on issues of race when they are admitting to being racist. Republicans can ignore the problems of our own perception at our own peril.

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How often do I read someone on HA whining about being white and dealing with racism?

EVERY SINGLE DAY.

At what point do you Republicans start to complain about themselves?

NOW!

Second Obama won states that are mostly red states. Where whites had abandoned the dems and where blacks or monorites make the majority of voters.

This figure might be valid.

The Race Card on September 22, 2008 at 2:24 PM

seriously?

unless you are going to weasel out, you are calling madmonkphotog a racist.

how is pointing out Barry’s confusion on his racial identity racist?

or do you just call everyone you assume to be white a racist if they dare bring up race in a post?

and, since he mentioned gender, does that make him sexist too? and, why did you miss that in your reply? would not commenting on it make you sexist because you agree with that part?

please keep up this angle of attack. the louder the cries of racism the more votes Barry will lose.

i’ll leave it to you to figure out why that will be.

How many blacks wont vote for McCain because he’s white?

How many Blacks vote for Oslime-a because he’s black?

How many people vote over class politics? That’s as bad as racism.

How many people vote against McCain because of GWB?

How many vote for Oslime-a because he is not GWB?

Do we really want someone like this who has multiple ethnicity/gender crisis syndrome?

madmonkphotog on September 22, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Have you ever made such a statement about anybody who wasn’t black? I doubt it. (Incidentally, the only other people white’s typically accuse of being confused about their race are so-called “wiggers.” There’s an interesting point in there somewhere. I’ll let you sniff it out.)

Here’s a little reminder. Those people preventing humans of mixed race from referring to themselves as “white” are usually White.

IMHO, you would NEVER accept Barack referring to himself only as white. Stop your lying. You have a problem with Blacks who don’t conform to your twisted paradigm.

It’s easy to be against his policies and stupid rhetoric. But your true colors are running.

That would be JFK. Who was a disaster as a president, until Oswald turned him into a martyr.

MarkTheGreat on September 22, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Wrong. Kennedy was a WWII vet. The original point still stands.