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Corporate sockpuppetry for Team Obama?

posted at 8:30 am on September 22, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Rusty Shackleford has done extensive research into the efforts to smear Sarah Palin as a member of a secessionist party, when in fact she has been a lifelong Republican.  Videos that appeared on YouTube supporting this smear have been tracked — circumstantially, but substantially — to the CEO of a public-relations firm, strongly suggesting that the smear campaign did not arise organically as an outgrowth of Palinmania but had financing, planning, and intent.  Who would have had the means for such a campaign?  I’ll get back to that in a minute.

Rusty runs down the evidence at hand:

  • Evidence suggests that a YouTube video with false claims about Palin was uploaded and promoted by members of a professional PR firm.
  • The family that runs the PR firm has extensive ties to the Democratic Party, the netroots, and are staunch Obama supporters.
  • Evidence suggests that the firm engaged in a concerted effort to distribute the video in such a way that it would appear to have gone viral on its own. Yet this effort took place on company time.
  • Evidence suggests that these distribution efforts included actions by at least one employee of the firm who is unconnected with the family running the company.
  • The voice-over artist used in this supposedly amateur video is a professional.
  • This same voice-over artist has worked extensively with David Axelrod’s firm, which has a history of engaging in phony grassroots efforts, otherwise known as “astroturfing.”
  • David Axelrod is Barack Obama’s chief media strategist.
  • The same voice-over artist has worked directly for the Barack Obama campaign.

Rusty tracks this down to Winner & Associates, and to Chuck and Ethan Winner, the family that owns it.  If all of this is true and the Obama campaign can be connected to it, it would represent a massive set of FEC violations, as well as the ultimate repudiation of “hope and change” and “New Politics”.  In fact, it would be a massive demonstration of Chicago Politics on a national scale.

Could this be true?  Normally, one would shrug off such a suggestion by saying that no national campaign would be dumb enough to try this, especially one ahead in the polls.  However, consider what Team Obama did to Stanley Kurtz and David Freddoso.  They don’t seem hesitant in the least to conduct smear campaigns and character assassination to win elections, and they conducted those two attacks openly.  With that kind of track record, it doesn’t seem out of the question for them to have conducted a slimy, unethical attack on a political opponent who threatened to steal all of the oxygen away from their campaign in a way that hid their involvement.

This would normally be a great story for our national media to investigate and expose.  Will they?  Don’t hold your breath, but do read all of Rusty’s post and his continuing updates.


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Catch up, Ed. The videos have been yanked, as have the user accounts of eswinner and cnwinner.

MadisonConservative on September 22, 2008 at 8:32 AM

I read all of it- Michelle has it up at her site. It totally smells. I’d love to see Axelrod explain his connection .

anniekc on September 22, 2008 at 8:34 AM

Slime…these people are slime.

They can’t win by the set rules, so they have to cheat, lie, steal, cajole, and manipulate anything they can to win.

Losers.

bloghooligan on September 22, 2008 at 8:35 AM

I have no knowledge of whether the videos were yanked.

However, if they were, so what? The toothpaste is out of the tube: the videos did their work.

Also, yanked or not, the big problem–the FEC issues–remain unresolved.
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RJGatorEsq. on September 22, 2008 at 8:36 AM

That is one awesome piece of work by Rusty.

drjohn on September 22, 2008 at 8:37 AM

And this falls into the black whole of news stories in 3….2….1……but in breaking news from KOS in Alaska, yeah BOB our Crack reporters reveal Sarah Palin wears thongs….”How will this affect the electoral map in Nov?”….. Frontpage news and everything….

GOPGryphon on September 22, 2008 at 8:39 AM

This is what Axelrod does. He astroturfs and uses backhanded techniques to kneecap his political opponents. Unfortunately it’s going to be tough to make this gain any traction with the media. Short of Obama being caught on film saying something completely out of line they’re just not going to pursue anything that could damage him.

Still, a nice bit of work by Rusty.

BadgerHawk on September 22, 2008 at 8:41 AM

Obnoxious baseless fake youtube videos are as bad as push polling.

I’m sure both sides have other sleeper youtube ID’s they set up a long time ago just waiting to be used to post videos with.

Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 8:42 AM

I probably dated myself there, maybe “crack Bloggers” would have been better?

GOPGryphon on September 22, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Again, if the MSM don’t cover this (and even if they do), McCain should make an ad about it, if they can stand the story up. I also want to see an ad on the attempts to silence Kurtz and Freddoso.

EnglishMike on September 22, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Yanking the videos, Wikipedia references to Axelrod’s astroturfing history, etc in the wee hours of the morning is tantamount to an admission of guilt.

Do we have a functioning FEC that could even check into this, if they were honest enough to do so? I thought this election is basically running without an FEC because dems and reps couldn’t agree on anybody to appoint for it. Anybody know the status on that?

justincase on September 22, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Rusty did an amazing job. Ace too.

I hope people can wrap their heads around this story.

Mr. Joe on September 22, 2008 at 8:42 AM

This just in from the Dan Rather media:

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ex-Democrat on September 22, 2008 at 8:46 AM

Racial hatred, class envy and character assasination are the tools that have kept the democrats in existence for years. The “new politics” is that they make no attempt to disguise the hate. Without hate they could not exist. Obama is a puppet lapdog for Soros and the Ayers family. Nothing more , nothing less.

volsense on September 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM

There is no downside to violating election laws because the investigation and slap on the wrist don’t come until well after the candidate has won, and taken the oath of office. At that point, a few good soldiers fall on their swords, the candidate apologizes for not being more careful to police the bad apples in his campaign, and life goes on.
Move along, move along, nothing to see here.

FalseProfit on September 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM

It doesn’t matter whether the vids and/or accounts were deleted. Thanks to technology, all of them were captured, as well as screen shots of all the pages and comments.

It also goes deeper. David Axelrod is also listed as an attorney for the AkinGump group, another subsidiary of the PR firm which Rusty lists, and which does PR work on behalf of both Russia and China. Interesting set of bedfellows, no?

This is no different in concept, but much wider in scope, than the scandal that brought down Nixon. These videos and the time spent developing and marketing them, were NOT cheap. They were professionally done, and that costs big money. Someone needs to account for the source of those funds.

AW1 Tim on September 22, 2008 at 8:48 AM

McCain should do an ad anyway….it seems his opponent doesn’t have such standards as “fact” and “truth”.

bloghooligan on September 22, 2008 at 8:48 AM

Obama and his corrupt thugs are maggots.

rplat on September 22, 2008 at 8:49 AM

“crack Bloggers”

Bloggers on crack.

Rusty rocks. And yes, we’ll all be in a dither about it, but you won’t see SaSQUAT about it anyplace else.

tree hugging sister on September 22, 2008 at 8:49 AM

This story kept me up until about 3am last night, now I have class at 9:30. I can’t imagine how much research went into this. I don’t know if it will go beyond the blogs, but I think it has a pretty good chance. When I first read this my initial reaction was that it would remain on the blogs. But considering the Obama reaction and the videos and accounts being yanked or shut down, it rasises some eyebrows.

V15J on September 22, 2008 at 8:50 AM

What will be the effect, if any, of this? Is this so explosive that it will eventually be reported by the MSM, like Rathergate was within a matter of days? Will Alexrod be forced to resign? Will it be ignored? I want to understand the impact to the election.

aunursa on September 22, 2008 at 8:53 AM

I followed this story when it broke last night after midnight and I’ve seen the updates this morning. It looks nice and all — especially the destruction of the sock puppets and the video being yanked — but the connection gets gray around Axelrod and BO. Maybe if someone can find the money connection.

As for the Wiki edits, anyone have a link to this? I’ve been to Axelrod’s page and it still makes mention of ‘Astroturfing’ and the discussion page is not filled with ‘September 22nd’ edits. Any links that show the edits going on?

LastRick on September 22, 2008 at 8:54 AM

Nice work, Rusty et al. Follow the money; it’s out there, and it’s begging to lead you on a rewarding journey.

Could this be true? Normally, one would shrug off such a suggestion by saying that no national campaign would be dumb enough to try this, especially one ahead in the polls.

Tell that to Richard Nixon. Stupidity is an equal opportunity problem, and we all know that its presence isn’t limited to Republican campaigns.

The MSM have been obsessed with trying to Watergate Bush, following the old template. Now it’s time for us to have some fun, and there actually seems to be something to follow here, unlike “Bush lied, people died.”

flutejpl on September 22, 2008 at 8:54 AM

Since the only group of people more corrupt than the Chicago Political machine in this election cycle are the MSM, this story will never ever see any major airtime.

doriangrey on September 22, 2008 at 8:55 AM

Obama’s campaign has been Chicago machine politics all the way. Look at the way he “won” the primaries: He used caucuses, where his activists could (and did) intimidate and coerce into “victory.” Look at the convention, where he “won” what should have been an open convention by back-room coercion and for-show-only roll call. And his state Senate and US Sentate elections, where he managed to disqualify all his serious competitors.

This isn’t news; the astroturfing of Sarah Palin has been obvious for quite a while, although many thanks to Rusty for digging up the hard evidence.

Obama hasn’t won an honest election yet, and he’s not about to risk it now.

NeighborhoodCatLady on September 22, 2008 at 8:56 AM

This is a start, but I’d like to see someone connect Axelrod to the Palin/ Trig smear. I believe that the Obama campaign was probably behind that one due to the pace at which it spread and the seriousness with which what seems like a Days of Our Lives plot was taken by the media. The nasty and underhanded tactics of the Obama campaign brownshirts make some of Karl Rove/ Lee Attwater’s greatest hits seem like child’s play.

Illinidiva on September 22, 2008 at 8:59 AM

My question is, when will the real democrats retake their own party again!

grapeknutz on September 22, 2008 at 8:59 AM

If the Winner’s were Republicans, you know damn well the MSM would’ve been all over this if they were doing it for the McCain campaign.

Haunchie on September 22, 2008 at 9:00 AM

The only way this will get national media attention is if McCain makes a campaign ad out of it. Directly accuse the O! campaign and AxelTurf of astroturfing. This will force the O! campaign to respond which will bring it to the attention of the MSM.

JimK on September 22, 2008 at 9:00 AM

This would normally be a great story for our national media to investigate and expose. Will they? Don’t hold your breath, but do read all of Rusty’s post and his continuing updates.

The media need to investigate TWO stories of potential Obama campaign misconduct:
1. The astroturfing that Rusty uncovered; and
2. What, if any, role the Obama campaign played in drafting the McCain skit / Obama campaign commercial that aired on Saturday’s SNL episode. [Recall that Al Franken, senate candidate from Minnesota, participated in writing it, and the skit exactly tracked Democrat talking points]

We need to hit this incredibly hard and need to seed this story to the national media by as many means as possible! Make it so big the media cannot ignore it.

Outlander on September 22, 2008 at 9:01 AM

If John McCain is castigated for not using a computer, why does OBAMA get a pass for being as naive as to think you can hide street thug tactics from the 20’s in the COMPUTER AGE??

seejanemom on September 22, 2008 at 9:02 AM

A perusal of some left blogs this morning shows absolute silence, so they must realize how bad this is.

The media will ignore it until this afternoon when Rush drops the bomb on Obama and Axelrod. They’ll then have no choice but to look into it, not that they want to.

McCain and Palin should call a press conference and painstakingly detail this.

JammieWearingFool on September 22, 2008 at 9:02 AM

Obnoxious baseless fake youtube videos are as bad as push polling.

Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 8:42 AM

I and many others were watching the minute it was posted last night, Drywall. Saw the videos, commented on them, commented on their user accounts. You calling me a liar?

MadisonConservative on September 22, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Unfortunately it’s going to be tough to make this gain any traction with the media. Short of Obama being caught on film saying something completely out of line they’re just not going to pursue anything that could damage him.
BadgerHawk on September 22, 2008 at 8:41 AM

The MSM will attempt a coverup of this story as long as possible. The way to force the MSM to report the story is to use Fox, talk radio, and our media outlets to push the story aggressively, then follow it up with campaign commercials. At some point, the media will be forced to cover the story.

Outlander on September 22, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Winners == Losers

jeff_from_mpls on September 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM

If the wholly corrupt mainstream Obamedia touches this story at all I expect it’ll be played as an evil McCain attempt to “swiftboat” Obama.

Obama = the ultimate passive-aggressive candidate. As Ace says, “Obama thinks you’re f***ing stupid. And furthermore, he thinks the only way he can win your vote is to lie to you.”

His sycophantic followers consider that a good thing. In fact, that’s what they’ve been counting on all along.

Gilda on September 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM

If those slimes were on our side, MSM will be pounding on McCain & his team.
Shame on the media – yeah, including Fox.

Anita on September 22, 2008 at 9:07 AM

If McCain would run a national ad about this or do a press conference, forcing it into the MSM, it would give me hope that we, the people, can indeed have a voice in spite of the big money and big media against us. It would be interesting to see how the media would respond – whether it would just be an Obama snowjob, or if we, the people, can generate serious national discussion of what we know.

justincase on September 22, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Got to at least get this on Drudge for it to have any hope of cracking into the MSM.

blue13326 on September 22, 2008 at 9:10 AM

The Onion could do a funny ad out of this, except with Obama and the Democrat Party/history

Catch up, Ed. The videos have been yanked, as have the user accounts of eswinner and cnwinner.

MadisonConservative on September 22, 2008 at 8:32 AM

hope someone saved these videos

jp on September 22, 2008 at 9:10 AM

I am sure someone is checking the historical connections between David Axelrod, Obama and Winner & Associates.
Winner & Associates was founded in 1975 as political campaign management firm.

How would a citizen would file a complaint about this type of activity?

albill on September 22, 2008 at 9:11 AM

If the Winner’s were Republicans, you know damn well the MSM would’ve been all over this if they were doing it for the McCain campaign.

Haunchie on September 22, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Remember the “RAT” subliiminal message pseudo scandal from 2004?

MarkTheGreat on September 22, 2008 at 9:11 AM

ASTROTURF DIRTY TRICKS? Dr. Rusty Shackleford says that smear videos aimed at Sarah Palin look to come from a P.R. agency associated with the Obama Campaign. Dan Riehl comments: “Politics aside, if this was the professional manipulation that it appears to be, it is not good for blogs, Left or Right. It undermines their credibility and makes them no better than a propaganda tool become smear merchant for whatever candidate they happen to support.” Stay tuned.

UPDATE: From the 2004 election, a warning about “black blog ops” that’s seeming kinda prescient.

http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/024721.php

Mr. Joe on September 22, 2008 at 9:12 AM

A perusal of some left blogs this morning shows absolute silence, so they must realize how bad this is.

You mean Tbogg and Sadly, No! aren’t laughing at the silly wingnuts for overreacting? How about that.

Jim Treacher on September 22, 2008 at 9:13 AM

Rusty tracks this down to Winner & Associates, and to Chuck and Ethan Winner, the family that owns it. If all of this is true and the Obama campaign can be connected to it, it would represent a massive set of FEC violations, as well as the ultimate repudiation of “hope and change” and “New Politics”. In fact, it would be a massive demonstration of Chicago Politics on a national scale.

Waiting for this kind of thing to happen to Obama reminds me of the DUmmies waiting for the indictment of Karl Rove. Not that I don’t believe the reports, but it just ain’t gonna happen because the MSM is so inlove with Obamalamadingdong.

NoFanofLibs on September 22, 2008 at 9:15 AM

What I don’t understand is why everyone keeps saying we won’t see this in the MSM. The fact that we have seen it tells me that maybe it doesn’t matter if the MSM carries it. If this is handled correctly by us, they will have to report it. Eventually. Anyone have any ideas about how to get this out to the general public?

bloggless on September 22, 2008 at 9:16 AM

All that I wonder is why the leaders of a PR firm would use their real name on youtube? It seems far too easy to track.

But with the videos down, it seems to be an admission of guilt.

Keljeck on September 22, 2008 at 9:16 AM

If one follows the links to Winner & Associates, and their link to Winner & Associates “affiliated firms”, one finds themselves at a company called Winner & Mandabach Campaigns.

Looking at the general backgound page for Winner & Mandabach Campaigns finds this note:

“ABC Television has called W&M the leading ballot measure firm in the nation, and the firm’s campaign methodology has served as the model for a Harvard Business School case study on effective political campaign management.”

ABC News and the Harvard Business School. Interesting, but not surprising, how things come full circle.

Yoop on September 22, 2008 at 9:17 AM

What I don’t understand is why everyone keeps saying we won’t see this in the MSM. The fact that we have seen it tells me that maybe it doesn’t matter if the MSM carries it. If this is handled correctly by us, they will have to report it. Eventually.

Exactly. Two words: Rielle Hunter.

Jim Treacher on September 22, 2008 at 9:17 AM

Tie the smears to Obama.

james23 on September 22, 2008 at 9:17 AM

All that I wonder is why the leaders of a PR firm would use their real name on youtube? It seems far too easy to track.

I dunno, maybe they figured nobody who mattered would call them on it?

Jim Treacher on September 22, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Oy vey. This is from a friend who does not know my political leanings. Smells pretty fishy:

Michigan Republicans plan to foreclose African-American voters
The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County, Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP’s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day.
“We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren’t voting from those ad dresses,” party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week. He said the local party wanted to make sure that proper ele ctoral procedures were followed.
State election rules allow parties to assign “election challengers” to polls to monitor the election. In addition to observing the poll workers, these volunteers can challenge the eligibility of any voter provided they “have a good reason to believe” that the person is not eligible to vote. One allowable reason is that the person is not a “true resident of the city or township.”
The Michigan Republicans’ planned use of foreclosure lists is apparently an attempt to challenge ineligible voters as not being “true residents.”
One expert questioned the legality of the tactic.
“You can’t challenge people without a factual basis for doing so,” said J. Gerald Hebert, a former voting rights litigator for the U.S. Justice Department who now runs the Campaign Legal Center, a Washington D.C.-based public-interest law firm. “I don’t think a foreclosure notice is sufficient basis for a challenge, because people often remain in their homes after foreclosure begins and sometimes are able to negotiate and refinance.”
As for the practice of challenging the right to vote of foreclosed20property owners, Hebert called it, “mean-spirited.”
GOP ties to state’s largest foreclosure law firm
The Macomb GOP’s plans are another indication of how John McCain’s campaign stands to benefit from the burgeoning number of foreclosures in the state. McCain’s regional headquarters are housed in the office building of foreclosure specialists Trott & Trott. The firm’s founder, David A. Trott, has raised between $100,000 and $250,000 for the Republican nominee.
The Macomb County party’s plans to challenge voters who have defaulted on their house payments is likely to disproportionately affect African-Americans who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters. More than 60 percent of all sub-prime loans — the most likely kind of loan to go into default — were made to African-Americans in Michigan, according to a report issued last year by the state’s Department of Labor and Economic Growth.
Challenges to would-be voters
Statewide, the Republican Party is gearing up for a comprehensive voter challenge campaign, according to Denise Graves, party chair for Republicans in Ge nessee County, which encompasses Flint. The party is creating a spreadsheet of ele ction challenger volunteers and expects to coordinate a training with the regional McCain campaign, Graves said in an interview with Michigan Messenger.
Whether the Republicans will challenge voters with foreclosed homes elsewhere in the state is not known.
Kelly Harrigan, deputy director of the GOP’s voter programs, confirmed that she is coordinating the group’s “election integrity” program. Harrigan said the effort includes putting in place a legal team, as well as training election challengers. She said the challenges to voters were procedural rather than personal. She referred inquiries about the vote challenge program to communications director Bill Nowling, who promised information but did not return calls.
Party chairman Carabelli said that the Republican Party is training election challengers to “make sure that [voters] are who they say who they are.”
When asked for further details on how Republicans are compiling challenge lists, he said, “I would rather not tell you all the things we are doing.”
Vote suppression: Not an isolated effort
Carabelli is not the only Republican Party official to suggest the targeting of foreclosed voters. In Ohio, Doug Preisse, director of elections in Franklin County (around the city of Columbus) and the chair of the local GOP, told The Columbus Dispatch that he has not ruled out challenging voters before the election due to foreclosure-related address issues.
Hebert, the voting-rights lawyer, sees a connection between Priesse’s remarks and Carabelli’s plans.
“At a minimum what you are seeing is a fairly comprehensive effort by the Republican Party, a systematic broad-based effort to put up obstacles for people to vote,” he said. “Nobody is contending that these people are not legally registered to vote.
“When you are comprehensively challenging people to vote,” Hebert went on, “your goals are two-fold: One is you are trying to knock people out from casting ballots; the other is to create a slowdown that will discourage others,” who see a long line and realize they can’t afford to stay and wait.
Challenging all voters registered to foreclosed homes could disrupt some polling places, especially in the Detroit metropolitan area. According to the real estate Web site RealtyTrac, one in every 176 households in Wayne County, metropolitan Detroit, received a foreclosure filing during the month of July. In Macomb County, the figure was one household in every 285, meaning that 1,834 homeowners received the bad news in just one month. The Macomb County foreclosure rate puts it in the top three percent of all U.S. counties in the number of distressed homeowners.
Wayne, Oakland, Macomb, Kent and Genessee counti es were — in that order — the counties with the most homeowners facing foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac. As of July, there were more than 62,000 foreclosure filings in the entire state.
Joe Rozell, director of elections for Oakland County in suburban Detroit, acknowledged that challenges such as those described by Carabelli are allowed by law but said they have the potential to create long lines and disrupt the voting process. With 890,000 potential voters closely divided between Democratic and Republican, Oakland County is a key swing county of this swing state.
According to voter challenge directives handed down by Republican Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land, voter challenges need only be “based on information obtained through a reliable source or means.”
“But poll workers are not allowed to ask the reason” for the challenges, Rozell said. In other words, Republican vote challengers are free to use foreclosure lists as a basis for disqualifying otherwise eligible voters.
David Lagstein, head organizer with the Michigan Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), described the plans of the Macomb GOP as “crazy.”
“You would think they would think, ‘This is going to look too heartless,’” said Lagstein, whose group has registered 200,000 new voters statewide this year and also runs a foreclosure a voidance program. “The Republican-led state Senate has not moved on the anti-predatory lending bill for over a year and yet [Republicans] have time to prey on those who have fallen victim to foreclosure to suppress the vote.”

J.J. Sefton on September 22, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Obnoxious baseless fake youtube videos are as bad as push polling.

Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 8:42 AM

I and many others were watching the minute it was posted last night, Drywall. Saw the videos, commented on them, commented on their user accounts. You calling me a liar?

MadisonConservative on September 22, 2008 at 9:04 AM
———-

Uh, no. No, I’m not.

Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 9:28 AM

Fact or fiction:
Obama ousted Alice Palmer in the state senate by having his people pull an all-nighter challenging Chicago voter signatures..
Fact or fiction:
Obama ousted Jack Ryan by having Axelrod’s Tribune buddies sue to have his divorce records opened, over ex-wife Jeri Ryan’s objections.
Fact or fiction:
Obama ousted Hillary by rigging the caucus process so that by the time blue collar Dem’s learned more, her large primary victories weren’t enough.
Fact or fiction:
Barack Obama is a the bastard child of the unholy union between Chicago Machine politics, Hyde Park Marxists and their national sympathizers.

rhodeymark on September 22, 2008 at 9:29 AM

David Axelrod is Barack Obama’s chief media strategist.

Yes, David Axelrod, the man who gave Illinois the absolute WORST Governor it has ever had, Rod Blagojevich, now wants to give America what will turn out to be the absolute WORST President it has ever had, namely B.O.

And Davey-boy here is as Chicago Democrat Machine-oriented as they come, so watch everything and anything he says very carefully.

pilamaye on September 22, 2008 at 9:33 AM

Catch up, Ed. The videos have been yanked, as have the user accounts of eswinner and cnwinner.

MadisonConservative on September 22, 2008 at 8:32 AM
hope someone saved these videos

jp on September 22, 2008 at 9:10 AM

Yes, several conservative blogs did save the videos and screencapped the user accounts and pages where it was posted. If Winner did come after people for continuing to post the videos, he would reveal himself as the poster.

Wethal on September 22, 2008 at 9:34 AM

Anyone have any ideas about how to get this out to the general public?
I emailed the Jawa link to 15 people this a.m. under the heading “Like a good detective story?”
You?

rhodeymark on September 22, 2008 at 9:34 AM

This was terrific work, absolutely fantastic. The coverup removes any doubt as to the coordination. Truly great work.

Spirit of 1776 on September 22, 2008 at 9:38 AM

ABC News and the Harvard Business School. Interesting, but not surprising, how things come full circle.

Yoop on September 22, 2008 at 9:17 AM

HBS is no extension of the Democratic party and if anything, it leans heavily Right (see George Bush & Mitt Romney for examples of politicians trained at HBS). The majority of cases are written about problems being faced by organizations – very few cases are about models to be emulated or represent some sort of endorsement on how things should be done.

The professional schools at Harvard stand on their own.

TheBigOldDog on September 22, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Will these guys, Chuck and Ethan Winner, stick to the windsheild or make thier way under the Obama bus?

Bicyea on September 22, 2008 at 9:40 AM

Anorher commenter way above suggested another name for “sock puppet.” While I agree that the term covveys a lot of deleterious meaniing to us on the sphere, most people have no idea what that is…and will just hear the crickets, nothing here to see, and give this all a big fat yawn.

marybel on September 22, 2008 at 9:41 AM

Someone put it this way on Ace early this morning: what if a supposed grassroots McCain ad on YouTube was found to have the same exact voice over as his ads he televises?

carbon_footprint on September 22, 2008 at 9:43 AM

Winner & Associates contact info:

winner@winnr.com

310-432-7770

BrianA on September 22, 2008 at 9:45 AM

Election ‘08: America’s heart vs its rectum.

justincase on September 22, 2008 at 9:45 AM

Uh, no. No, I’m not.

Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 9:28 AM

So what are you saying, then?

MadisonConservative on September 22, 2008 at 9:45 AM

…a massive set of FEC violations, as well as the ultimate repudiation of “hope and change” and “New Politics”. In fact, it would be a massive demonstration of Chicago Politics on a national scale.

Will MSM explore or even cover this? Of course not. Obviously, Ed, if it’s covered, it will be by bloggers like you and Rusty. I just hope the public can get the straight scoop before November.

petefrt on September 22, 2008 at 9:48 AM

You know, it just hit me how this poop could be thrown into the fan of the MSM…

John McCain co-authored campaign finance reform. As much as we hold our noses at this thought, think about the opportunity here. McCain has quite a bit of moral and intellectual authority on this issue!

Will he realize it? Does somebody have a direct line to him to inform him of this situation?

When he finds out, if he’s the man I think he is, he will get a bit hot under the collar. He should call a press conference, for which the MSM would show up. Then, it would be time for him to have one of his legendary temper meltdowns, and he should do everything in his power to make Chernobyl look like a hiccup. He’d be totally right to do so, and it would be rather hard for the MSM to avoid covering it.

flutejpl on September 22, 2008 at 9:51 AM

yeah, McCain could come out hitting on this. Throw in the lying Limbaugh ad and the lying Social Security ad too

jp on September 22, 2008 at 10:00 AM

Obnoxious baseless fake youtube videos are as bad as push polling.

I’m sure both sides have other sleeper youtube ID’s they set up a long time ago just waiting to be used to post videos with.

Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 8:42 AM

And thus does another Democrat sell his soul to satan, becoming part of the problem by refusing to become part of the solution.

Mr. Rywall, if everybody does it, then produce the evidence that the McCain campaign has done this, or SHUT THE MOTHER F*** UP.

You can’t, can you? I didn’t think so. Just another Democratic character assassin.

philwynk on September 22, 2008 at 10:01 AM

Will MSM explore or even cover this? Of course not. Obviously, Ed, if it’s covered, it will be by bloggers like you and Rusty. I just hope the public can get the straight scoop before November.

petefrt on September 22, 2008 at 9:48 AM

Pete, copy the link to this article and email it to everybody know, especially any Democrats. They will not hear about it unless YOU tell them about it.

This goes for everybody here. The Left has decided to create a storm of grassroots filth propagating lies — and they know perfectly well that they’re lies. Read Shackleford’s entire piece if you doubt it, he produces evidence from Leftist sites. We have to counteract it with a comparable flood of truth.

philwynk on September 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM

MARK YOUR CALENDAR, JANE’S CRYSTAL BALL SAYS:

BIDEN WILL CLAIM “HEALTH PROBLEMS” along about the first week of October, and bow from the ticket…***What a selfless hero he will be painted***

I can’t believe they will actually admit this degree of failure because they will be trading white women voters for the LARGER pool of white MALE voters.

STAND BY….the Dems are floating Joe Biden’s aneurysm meme ALREADY.

seejanemom on September 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM

My question is, when will the real democrats retake their own party again!

grapeknutz on September 22, 2008 at 8:59 AM

I grew up in Chicago for a while in the 1960s, and remember my dad talking to a democrat ward heller about why he would never vote for a democrat. He mentioned Saul Alinsky, the cronyism, corruption and the fact that they get all the votes they need from the graveyard anyway.

Now that most conservative democrats have left the party, this is who they are.

Right_of_Attila on September 22, 2008 at 10:08 AM

The left is suggesting Todd Palin sleeps with his daughters, that Sara P. is Anti-American, etc. etc. ect.
I just have one question. John, Mr. integrity, when are you going to let the world see the whitey tape? We have firing solution, IMHO.

max1 on September 22, 2008 at 10:10 AM

The FEC is going to be very busy after this election with the Obama campaign. Let us not forget to add all the sneaky and underhanded bundling of campaign donations he has managed to do and in such a way that the FEC will not be able to pinpoint the violations until after the election.

With that knowledge it is not so hard to believe this is absolutely true. I think Rusty and Aces deserve huge kudos for staying on top of this. Perhaps knowing so many of us on the internet knew the truth is why the video came down so fast. We are going to have to watch these slimebags like hawks! NEXT- ACORN infested in swing states!

freeus on September 22, 2008 at 10:19 AM

With the DNCs move to Chicago, I guess they are now a wholely owned subsidiary of the Chicago Machine.

Anyone seen Howard Dean lately?

kakypat on September 22, 2008 at 10:21 AM

Who has the most clout of the right wing blogosphere?
Malkin? She has posted this story at her site already. I sure hope she will push this to Fox News an her conservative friends in radio.

carbon_footprint on September 22, 2008 at 10:21 AM

The left is suggesting Todd Palin sleeps with his daughters, that Sara P. is Anti-American, etc. etc. ect.
I just have one question. John, Mr. integrity, when are you going to let the world see the whitey tape? We have firing solution, IMHO.

max1 on September 22, 2008 at 10:10 AM
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If you choose to paint the entire left with the stupid brush, you’re the stupid one.

For every “Todd Palin sleeps with his daughters” or “the Downs Syndrome kids is actually Sarah’s” there’s an “Obama is a Musim” or “Obama would swear in on the koran”.

If you take the low road, remember you’re on the low road.

Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 10:29 AM

I’m sure both sides have other sleeper youtube ID’s they set up a long time ago just waiting to be used to post videos with. – Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Except, of curse, that the only proof which has surfaced so far would indicate that the bogus YouTube astroturfing comes from the Obama campaign. To take note of that, however, you are obliged to pull your head out of your ass.

ManlyRash on September 22, 2008 at 10:30 AM

D Rywall has taken to posting in the US of A because:
1. His favourite government leader, Communist puppet Paul Martin, was turfed in the last Canadian election.
2. His favourite political party, the Lieberals, are about to take a monumental whupping in next month’s Canadian elections. His second favourite political party, the all-but-Communist NDP (aka the Dippers), won’t even be able to help the Lieberals prevent a majority Conservative government.
Watch out for Small Dead Animals, Dave. They can still bite you in the butt.

either orr on September 22, 2008 at 10:31 AM

I just read the entire Jawa posting – great read if you haven’t hit it yet, grab a cup of coffee before you start – and I have to say, there have been investigations into wrong doing on a national level with far less evidence.

I’d be surprised, after reading the ties uncovered by Rusty, et al, if someone in the MSM wanting to make a name for themselves doesn’t pick this up and run with it.

smfoushee on September 22, 2008 at 10:34 AM

Watched the whole thing unfold in real time last night. Impressive work, Rusty. I’m in awe.

Saltysam on September 22, 2008 at 10:35 AM

HBS is no extension of the Democratic party and if anything, it leans heavily Right (see George Bush & Mitt Romney for examples of politicians trained at HBS).

TheBigOldDog on September 22, 2008 at 9:39 AM

So, Dog, do you also contend that the MSM leans heavily Right because many people at Hot Air (including Michelle) watch TV???

Your post is highly illogical. Can you name a major university that isn’t heavily infected with leftist professors? And does the existence of conservative college graduates from these universities prove that the universities are “right-leaning”????

PS: George Bush and Mitt Romney are, at best, marginal examples of Conservative graduates.

landlines on September 22, 2008 at 10:37 AM

Watch out for Small Dead Animals, Dave. They can still bite you in the butt.

either orr on September 22, 2008 at 10:31 AM

Except that his head is in the way.

Yoop on September 22, 2008 at 10:39 AM

With the DNCs move to Chicago, I guess they are now a wholely owned subsidiary of the Chicago Machine.

Anyone seen Howard Dean lately?

kakypat on September 22, 2008 at 10:21 AM

I don’t know, but he might be heading up the site hacking department at the DNC.


“I don’t care how many times you take down my blog!”

Saltysam on September 22, 2008 at 10:43 AM

For every “Todd Palin sleeps with his daughters” or “the Downs Syndrome kids is actually Sarah’s” there’s an “Obama is a Musim” or “Obama would swear in on the koran”.

If you take the low road, remember you’re on the low road.

Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 10:29 AM

I assume that if there were to be an armed attack on your country, you would be “rising above” by being shot while standing behind a podium trying to repel the invading hordes with your rhetoric.

landlines on September 22, 2008 at 10:47 AM

For every “Todd Palin sleeps with his daughters” or “the Downs Syndrome kids is actually Sarah’s” there’s an “Obama is a Musim” or “Obama would swear in on the koran”.

If you take the low road, remember you’re on the low road.

Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 10:29 AM

That’s funny Davey, you think sleeping with a daughter is the same as being a Muslim…
You think a poster has the same power as the number one liberal website…
That is why you live in Canada and you are a liberal…because you can’t reason.

right2bright on September 22, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Reading the government brochure linked to by Jawa, I’d say that what they did was totally legal. Not ethical, but legal.

The clincher is the clarification on political advertisements at fec.gov. The phrase Rusty calls out is “Public Communication”:

Any other general public political advertising. General public political advertising does not include Internet ads, except for communications placed for a fee on another person’s web site

The whole thing hinges on the phrase “communications placed for a fee”. Since you don’t have to pay to get your stuff onto youtube, one could argue that such “viral communications” falls between the cracks with regard to disclosure.

unclesmrgol on September 22, 2008 at 10:48 AM

“Obama would swear in on the koran”.

Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Wow… see… Dave Rywall, well known political analyst and Obama supporter has even admited it….

/sarc… see how it works?

Romeo13 on September 22, 2008 at 10:48 AM

“Obama would swear in on the koran”.

Dave Rywall on September 22, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Wow Dave, that is quite the admission.

carbon_footprint on September 22, 2008 at 10:50 AM

This would normally be a great story for our national media to investigate and expose.

Yep – I’ll be watching Andrea Mitchell’s show today because I am sure she’ll be right on top of it.

tru2tx on September 22, 2008 at 10:50 AM

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