NYT must-read: A calm Iraq, unrecognizable

posted at 11:17 am on September 21, 2008 by Allahpundit

Literally unrecognizable, says Pulitzer winner Dexter Filkins, back in the country for the first time since 2006 and relentlessly disoriented by the normalcy he finds in areas he remembers firsthand as bombed-out moonscapes. No piece I’ve ever read better communicates the amazement of Iraq’s revival; the effect is the same as these photo comparisons from Hurricane Ike, except in reverse. I want you to read it all so I’ll keep this short, but we (and a lot of other bloggers) were remiss last week thanks to the election in not paying proper attention to the handover of command in Baghdad, when Gates, Adm. Mullen, and Gen. Odierno gave Petraeus his due. As a tribute to his achievement, you can scarcely do better than this:

In Sadr City, the small brick building that served as the Mahdi Army’s headquarters still stands. But not 50 feet away, a freshly built Iraqi Army post towers above it now. Next to the army post, perhaps to heighten the insult to the militia, the Iraqi government has begun installing a new sewer network, something this impoverished and overcrowded ghetto sorely needs. “Wanted” posters adorn the blast walls there, too, imploring the locals to turn in the once-powerful militia leaders.

Inside the Sadr Bureau, as it’s called, the ex-militia gunmen speak in chastened tones about moving on, maybe finding other work, maybe even transforming their once ferocious army into a social welfare organization. I didn’t see any guns.

“Please don’t print my name in your newspaper,” one former Mahdi Army commander asked me with a sheepish look. “I’m wanted by the government.”

Read it all. And try to suppress a smile, or a catch in your throat, at this: “THERE IS NOWHERE FOR YOU TO HIDE.”

Blowback

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Sherman.

Grant.

MacArthur.

Patton.

Eisenhower.

Petraeus.

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Wasn’t Petraeus the first guy John McCain said he’d go to for advice? Obama chose …. Michelle, then his under the bus Grandmother….

’nuff said…

originalpechanga on September 21, 2008 at 11:26 AM

“Hope and Change” in Baghdad.

Mike Honcho on September 21, 2008 at 11:27 AM

BYT must-read? isn’t that a duble-dumb-anym?

Kaptain Amerika on September 21, 2008 at 11:27 AM

typo… DOH!

Kaptain Amerika on September 21, 2008 at 11:27 AM

The war in Iraq “is lost” and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid, said.

TooTall on September 21, 2008 at 11:28 AM

This would make for a series of amazing TV news stories. Stories about a tremendous turnaround in Iraq. Stories about the heroism of U.S. troops. Human interest pieces about Petraeus and Odierno (two very, very interesting and impressive men). Stories about the transformation in Iraqi society and how the average Iraqi’s are rejecting sectarianism and violence and embracing democracy and commerce. These stories would get tremendous ratings. Why wouldn’t the media wan…….oh wait…..I forgot.

D0WNT0WN on September 21, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Lee

james hooker on September 21, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Sherman.

Grant.

MacArthur.

Patton.

Eisenhower.

Petraeus.

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM

shouldn’t that lead off with Washington?

Kaptain Amerika on September 21, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM

You forgot:

Washington

Robert E. Lee

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Lee Clayton

james hooker on September 21, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Stonewall Jackson

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:30 AM

So THIS is that big betrayal the leftists told us about. I hope the McCain people can play this up right. They could try a mantra of “no thanks to you” for BHO.

No thanks to you, Barrack Hussein Obama, the people of Iraq are free.
No thanks to you, Barrack Hussein Obama, we have won the war.
No thanks to you, Barrack Hussein Obama, our troops come home with honor.
No thanks to you, Barrack Hussein Obama, we have another ally in the war against Islamofascism.

etc… With images of proud military men and women, a peaceful Iraq, and our troops coming home to the applause and smiles of thousands.

Mojave Mark on September 21, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Don’t forget Schwartzkopf

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM

nice list… though personally i would add:

Nathaniel Greene
Francis Marion
Stormin Norman

stlpatriot on September 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Perhaps they decided to change due to their subscription numbers. Makes sense from a business standpoint.

Static on September 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM

and of course the first Grorge W

stlpatriot on September 21, 2008 at 11:33 AM

er George, lol

stlpatriot on September 21, 2008 at 11:33 AM

I agree that Lee and Jackson were great generals, but their side did ultimately lose the war–please don’t put Petraeus in the same list. I don’t believe in bad karma, but just in case…

m064404 on September 21, 2008 at 11:33 AM

shouldn’t that lead off with Washington?

Kaptain Amerika on September 21, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Absolutely. Although… I think the original George W. is in a class by himself :)

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:35 AM

And yes, I’d include Lee & Jackson in that list, too.

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:36 AM

“We want what everyone else wants in this world,” he said.

May that bring some solace to all the families of lost soldiers.

SouthernGent on September 21, 2008 at 11:36 AM

VICTORY! This issue alone should be enough to get McCain elected. Judgment.

Ordinary1 on September 21, 2008 at 11:36 AM

And Stormin Norman.

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Yeah. Lots of credit to George Bush. History will be very kind to you sir!

Ordinary1 on September 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM

I guess the important point — to bring this back OT — is that whoever else is in the list, Petraeus belongs there, too.

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Chokes me up. It really does.

Terrye on September 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Mojave Mark on September 21, 2008 at 11:30 AM

And as he refuses to admit that the surge was a success, or tries to discredit those responsible for it by saying that it was a success, beyond even their imagination.

Barack Obama will constantly avoid admitting that resuming the 1991 cease fire with Iraq has long term positive consequences to the nation and their neighbors. Because If Bush didn’t do anything, then Saddam would still be in power today. And people like Madeline Albright and all the other democrats who are on record pre 2003 being for doing something because Saddam is a threat .. And now, things are better. 50 years from now, Iraq will be a dramatically different and safer place with democracy in the heart of the middleeast. And this will transform the region. Just as Bush had planned. If nothing was done, then 50 years from now, Iraq would be just more of the same. Maybe Saddam or some other dictator who succeeded him would have invaded another neighboring country. Or have finally acquired nuclear weapons.

wise_man on September 21, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Stonewall Jackson

For the HA gang, it’s best to qualify it.
Stonewall jackson (No, not the singer. The other one.)
:-)

whitetop on September 21, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Suspension of disbelief?

promachus on September 21, 2008 at 11:38 AM

I agree that Lee and Jackson were great generals, but their side did ultimately lose the war–please don’t put Petraeus in the same list. I don’t believe in bad karma, but just in case… – m064404 on September 21, 2008 at 11:33 AM

Any serious student of history understands that Lee was head and shoulders above Grant when it came to leadership and military strategy.

Grant and Sherman won the war because the Confederacy – a primarily agrarian nation – was woefully unprepared to do battle against the heavily industrialized Union.

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:40 AM

I’m sure the NYT must be mistaken…Barack Obama hasn’t told us this, so it must not be true.

:P

Bob's Kid on September 21, 2008 at 11:41 AM

And as he refuses to admit that the surge was a success, or tries to discredit those responsible for it by saying that it was a success, beyond even their imagination.

Or my favorite, actually try to take credit for it.

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:41 AM

stlpatriot on September 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Green and Marion – absolutely.

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM

The war in Iraq “is lost” and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid, said.

When statements like these, from Dem. leaders, Obama, etc. produce no backlash against them, I worry if we can ever accomplish the same kinds of success here, as the military and President did in Iraq. We’re still 50/50, same place we were 8 years ago.

We seem to have lost the virtue of holding people responsible for failure and respect and admiration and acclaim for success. There are many in Washington who should be shamed and shunned, and some jailed.

JiangxiDad on September 21, 2008 at 11:43 AM

stlpatriot on September 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Green and Marion – absolutely.

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM

without them, we’d have still been under british rule, and would have no idea of the rest on that list..Credit the first “W” for that insight..

stlpatriot on September 21, 2008 at 11:44 AM

stlpatriot on September 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM

If I am not mistaken, the Batte of Cowpens is still an object of study and analysis at West Point.

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Sherman.

Grant.

MacArthur.

Patton.

Eisenhower.

Petraeus.

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Just a reminder to always add Washington to the top of your list

titus_pullo on September 21, 2008 at 11:46 AM

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:44 AM

i believe you are correct sir…

Marion, (my personal favorite) the father of guerilla warfare…

Win, at any cost, no matter how, just win..

stlpatriot on September 21, 2008 at 11:47 AM

Why is the sky blue?

Why do birds…suddenly appear…?

Why, in the name of all that’s holy, is Sam !@$!#@%#!@$ Donaldson still on This Week?

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:47 AM

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!
NOTHING TO SEE HERE!
IRAQ IS MESS.
ONLY HOPE AND CHANGE CAN FIX IT.
LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!
I CAN’T HEAR YOU!
HOPE AND CHANGE AND CHANGE AND HOPE
AND LA LA LA LA LA

malan89 on September 21, 2008 at 11:47 AM

Did Reid, Pelosi or Murtha approve the publication of the NYT article? Aren’t they among the ‘mulitiple layers of fact checkers’?

GarandFan on September 21, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Marion, (my personal favorite) the father of guerilla warfare… – stlpatriot on September 21, 2008 at 11:47 AM

Francis Marion…the Swamp Fox

Sarah Palin…the Arctic Fox

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:52 AM

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:52 AM

absolutely…

stlpatriot on September 21, 2008 at 11:54 AM

My list of overall great Generals crucial to America’s survival:

Washington.

Sherman.

Grant.

MacArthur.

Patton.

Eisenhower.

Schwartzkopf.

Powell.

Petraeus.

Obviously, Gen. Chuck Horner and a few other air component generals plus possibly Gen. Wesley Clark could make this list.

HotAirJosef on September 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM

What the hell are we doing fixing Iraq when everyone can see the problems are in Af-Ghan-ee-stahn and Pah-Key-Stahn? George Bush doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing, or where he should be doing it. Everyone knows Iraq isn’t the big issue here.

-Dems.

JiangxiDad on September 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM

I forgot one – see bold. Damn!

My list of overall great Generals crucial to America’s survival:

Washington.

Sherman.

Grant.

MacArthur.

Patton.

Eisenhower.

Schwartzkopf.

Powell.

Franks.

Petraeus.

Obviously, Gen. Chuck Horner and a few other air component generals plus possibly Gen. Wesley Clark could make this list.

HotAirJosef on September 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM

HotAirJosef on September 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM

See NYT? Telling the whole story is not as bad as you thought it was going to be, was it?

Hog Wild on September 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM

I wouldn’t include Franks. Nor Powell, nor Horner. And certainly not Clark.

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM

HotAirJosef on September 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM

You forgot Lee. You also forgot to add the sarc tag after Clark.

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM

We — excuse me — Our soldiers have created the beginnings of something very special in the middle east. It is a needle in the eye of our naysayers who have never shed a drop of blood or committed anything towards greater freedom for nations around the world. Would China do this? Would Russia Do this? Would the French, Indians or Germany do anything like this?

Say what you want about the United States, but everywhere our soldiers have fought and died we leave those countries are better off. You can’t say that for any other country anywhere.

In the end, even if the Iraqis hate us I would love it to be the same benign and non threatening hate the French have for us. A kind of hateful admiration that leaves them wishing to be as we are.

titus_pullo on September 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Obama will claim that it just starting getting better in Iraq after he made his trip their in August. He will say his private talks with the Iraqi govt. shook them up and they took action based on what he told them to do.

After all because the One was nominated the Democratic Presidential candidate the oceans have stopped rising and the earth has begun to heal itself….

albill on September 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Nice piece, thanks for the post, AP.

Spirit of 1776 on September 21, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Things are going great over there but, not over-I will be going over there for 6 months in a couple of weeks…got to keep the pressure up…slow and steady….

Static21 on September 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM

What is very interesting is to look at the MNF-I casualty figures for this month. While a casual look will slow 17 US troops dead this month, a closer inspection will show that only 2 of those so far this month were due to hostile action.

Previously the lowest month was July with 13 killed. While we are now over that absolute number, July also saw 8, or nearly half the casualties, were due to hostile fire. It might appear that at this point Iraqi drivers are more dangerous to our troops than AQI is.

crosspatch on September 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM

titus_pullo on September 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Hey, India and Great Britain can’t be called a failure either.

Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Barack Obama: the surge won’t work, and will likely result in even more violence in Iraq.

Barack Obama: the Georgians need to play nice with the Russians invading their sovereign nation.

Barack Obama: the credit markets are seizing up and the U.S. financial system is on the brink of an imminent collapse? I’ll get back to you in a week or so on that.

Barack Obama: judgment to lead.

AZCoyote on September 21, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Dexter Filkins is one of the (few) excellent NYT reporters.

Hugh Hewitt had a two hour interview with Filkins on Thurs Sept 18. Link is here

aquaviva on September 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Umm., a few words of caution

1) The fat lady hasn’t sung. Yes, Iraq is nearly there – and there are good reasons to think it will get the rest of the way. But.. an Obama victory or even a democrat dominated congress could reverse everything.

2) Petraeus is indeed, I think, a great general. However the strategy he used: to conquer and hold instead of clear and run, was developed in Roman times and used very successfully near the end of the war in Vietnam. That war, as you may or may not know, was won the ground after Tet and lost in negotiations inspired by the anti-war movement in the U.S. and Europe. See 1, above.

3) There’s a bottom line recommendation here: you can help make sure the opportunity for a clear victory, and thus significant positive change in the entire world picture, isn’t given away: simply go campaign for a Republican.

Paul Murphy on September 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM

The editors must have taken the day off, that’s the only reason I can think of that the NY Slimes would publish this piece. On the other hand, there are telltale signs of their presence, the veiled warnings about how fragile the peace is, etc.

JimK on September 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM

If they don’t make it this year how about a Palin for President and Petraeus Vice President ticket in 2012?

Jdripper on September 21, 2008 at 12:08 PM

A thread like this used to be a MB4 magnet (hell he probably would have had a dozen posts by now).

Did he get the stick?

Mike Honcho on September 21, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Buhbuhbut Iraq is a QUAGMIRE!!!!!111eleventy.

All you need to know about how well things are going in Iraq is how little you hear about it from the MainScream Media. No news is good news.

The Monster on September 21, 2008 at 12:09 PM

JOIN THE McCAIN SURGE!

Obama lobbyed for defeat in Iraq.

Defeat Barry’s bad judgment this November.

profitsbeard on September 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM

“On the other hand, there are telltale signs of their presence, the veiled warnings about how fragile the peace is”

Every day that passes makes the peace a little less fragile. With every passing day, the memory of the violence fades a little farther into the past and people move on to other things. Each quiet day improves the chances that the coming days will also be quiet.

I would say the peace at this point isn’t quite as fragile as it was a month or two ago.

crosspatch on September 21, 2008 at 12:12 PM

You all have the list all wrong……

B. Arnold (Tory)

Burnside (?)

Pope (?)

Sickles (Dem)

McClellan (Dem)

Wes Clark (Dem)

Limerick on September 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM

I have wondered if the Iraqis could turn those groups used to fight into AlQaida into some sort of a national guard, answerable to both the federal and provincial governments. I understand that the Iraqi government has to have a monopoly on force, but it might be a good idea to incorporate these young men rather than disband them. They help keep Iraq peaceful.

I so want this country to have long term success. We lost a lot of fine young people there.

Terrye on September 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM

crosspatch on September 21, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Couldn’t be said any better!!

Static21 on September 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM

You forgot Lee. You also forgot to add the sarc tag after Clark.

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Which General Clark?
1) The idiot who bogged down the Italian campaign in WW II and let Germans out of an encirclement to capture Rome for face time with the press, or
2) The ass-clown NATO bureaucrat Clinton-appointee Bosnia bomber that Obama threw under the bus?

Right_of_Attila on September 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM

I forgot one – see bold. Damn!

My list of overall great Generals crucial to America’s survival:

Washington.

Sherman.

Grant.

MacArthur.

Patton.

Eisenhower.

Schwartzkopf.

Powell.

Franks.

Petraeus.

Obviously, Gen. Chuck Horner and a few other air component generals plus possibly Gen. Wesley Clark could make this list.

HotAirJosef on September 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM

HotAirJosef on September 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM

What about:

Friedrich W. A. von Stueben

and

“Blackjack” Pershing

Bubba Redneck on September 21, 2008 at 12:17 PM

The editors must have taken the day off, that’s the only reason I can think of that the NY Slimes would publish this piece. On the other hand, there are telltale signs of their presence, the veiled warnings about how fragile the peace is, etc.

JimK on September 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM

I liked the little dig at the Sunni Awakening, as if all we’d had to do all along was throw them a few bills a month.

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 12:19 PM

In the 24 months that her sons were gone, Ms. Salman said she rarely ventured outside. The exception, she said, was when she saw American soldiers.

“Oh, I love them,” Ms. Salman said, brightening in her darkened house. “I always knew I was safe with them.”

But the Left keeps telling us our soldiers are terrorizing the Iraqis.

Disturb the Universe on September 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Things are going great over there but, not over-I will be going over there for 6 months in a couple of weeks…got to keep the pressure up…slow and steady….

Static21 on September 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Godspeed while you’re there, Static. Come home in victory and safety. America needs men and women like you.

Harpazo on September 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Another way of looking at it is that when violence is the normal condition and order is rare, the mindset is to expect violence and people are in a mood for revenge. When order is the normal condition, the mindset is completely different and people are more concerned with improving their condition than with simply surviving the day. Thoughts turn to investment of time and money in order to build a future.

The “tipping point” comes when the perception of the condition changes from chaos to order.

crosspatch on September 21, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Harpazo on September 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Knowing that that are good people-like those on this site-that have our backs-makes all the difference…thanks, Harpazo!

Static21 on September 21, 2008 at 12:27 PM

And so they did, with a series of offensives against the Qaeda insurgents in and around Baghdad in 2007 and then, earlier this year, in Basra and in Baghdad against the Mahdi Army.

So when teachers go on teaching schoolchildren, and hippies go on hollering that “war never sloved anything,” can we beat them with an axe handle?

Along the way, the Americans got a huge break: The leaders of Iraq’s large Sunni tribes, which had included many insurgents, decided to stop opposing the Americans and join them against Al Qaeda.

Wow. What-a-stroke-of-luck. Who could have ever thought that would happen when we began kicking bad-guy butt? The offensives and the “huge break” are mentioned in the same paragraph, but completely unrelated /sarc off.

And when did it cease to be called “Bush’s surge?” The press used to love to call it “Bush’s surge,” (Google it) but now it’s just “the surge.” I wonder what could have happened to make the difference….

I’m tired of these articles. The lefties who attacked and attacked Bush for his policies on Iraq are being forced to admit that Iraq looks a whole lot better then they ever imagained that it could, but they never give credit where credit is due. They don’t mention Bush at all or the fact that he stood up to Congress and opinion polls to make this happen, they give a sentence or two to the Surge (that they insisted before would never work), they don’t mention the troops, they act like we suddenly just got a really lucky break that just happened to correspond with the Surge and accomplished exactly what the Surge was intended to accomplish. They mention neither McCain’s nor Obama’s previous opinions on the surge (because they probably agreed with Obama).

Oh, and then they have to throw in “but it could all fall apart at any time,” and then stress that point…and then illustrate it…and then mention it again…because they don’t want to look too hopeful for Iraq, I mean, how would they defend that at their cocktail parties? And it could still all go into the crapper (fingers crossed).

And at the end we get a nice little tribute to the Iraqi people. The wonderful people who didn’t stand up to Sadam Hussein, who didn’t win their own liberty, who would side with whomever had the most guns & biggest explosions. But, again, not one word about the troops or the president who forced freedom down these people’s throats. And not one word about that freedom either. Just “things back to normal,” like they would have been before the mean old Americans came in an messed everyting up (you see, if freedom isn’t that important, then life under Saddam wasn’t really that bad).

This last bit turns the whole piece into, not a story of a successful liberation of an oppressed people but the blood, sweat and tears of a great nation, but a story of a people’s resiliency in the face of an American war.

29Victor on September 21, 2008 at 12:27 PM

In the 24 months that her sons were gone, Ms. Salman said she rarely ventured outside. The exception, she said, was when she saw American soldiers.

“Oh, I love them,” Ms. Salman said, brightening in her darkened house. “I always knew I was safe with them.”

This is the American Military. Not the victims and criminals as they are relentlessly portrayed in the media.

I read this the other day and in bears repeating:

Have you ever wondered why police officers wear a shield on their left side? This is a direct, intentional, overt reference to the knights of old. There really were knights. They woke up every day and donned armor. They hung a weapon on their hip and a shield on their left side. And they went forth and did good deeds and administered justice in the land.
Gunpowder defeated armor and the knights went away.
Today, for the first time in centuries, in both the military and law enforcement communities, we have warriors who don armor every day, take up their shields, strap on their weapons, and go forth and do good deeds.
If that is not a knight, if that is not a paladin, a new order of chivalry then you tell me what is.
The knights of old are somewhat mythical, but these new knights are real and embodying the spirit of the ancient model of the knight paladin, the champion of the weak and oppressed, dedicated to righteousness and justice.
–LTC Dave Grossman

muggedbyreality on September 21, 2008 at 12:28 PM

A loss would have been devastating for us. For our interests, for our allies, for the morale of our military.

But I’m less sure that a victory is as critical as a loss would have been. Our gains may be smaller than the costs had we lost.

What are, for example, the chances of a trans-sectarian Iraqi democracy spreading to the other parts of the region? Is this a unique victory? Or can it spread?

Well, that’s another day. For now, let’s honor the brilliance and courage of Petraeus and our military.

SteveMG on September 21, 2008 at 12:28 PM

I wouldn’t include Franks. Nor Powell, nor Horner. And certainly not Clark.

Purple Fury on September 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM

I could see not including Colin Powell, Chuck Horner and Wesley Clark but Franks?!? The General of the forces who kicked out the Taliban from Afghanistan and led the lightning assault into Baghdad in 2003?!?

Right_of_Attila on September 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM

I meant Wes Clark, barely. In a few years, he’ll be like that other General Clark.

HotAirJosef on September 21, 2008 at 12:32 PM

We have been blessed with many great men, I pray the same for Iraq.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2008 at 12:43 PM

General Mattis is adored by one of the marine officers I know. Apparently he’s like the stereotypical ass-kicking cigar-smoking General

lodge on September 21, 2008 at 12:45 PM

the Democrats should be the party that pays the price for our success. Harry Reid, Obama, Pelosi, Murtha….all should get the boot.

jp on September 21, 2008 at 12:46 PM

I love it when a plan (The Surge)comes together!!

c3ichief on September 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Right_of_Attila on September 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Heh…both.

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 12:51 PM

My prejudice against MSM is so great that I found myself getting really annoyed with any mention of caution in the piece even though I know it is justified. It’s bad when you have to talk yourself into being rational.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2008 at 12:52 PM

B. Arnold – Limerick on September 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Had he died at Saratoga – a pivotal battle in which he led the defeat of Burgoyne’s incursion from the north – Benedict Arnold would have been revered as one of our greatest generals and an American hero on a par wih Washington.

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 12:55 PM

A different Iraq. This is so cool!

A HUGE thank you to our troops who have fought this long and hard battle!

Shelby on September 21, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Any serious student of history understands that Lee was head and shoulders above Grant when it came to leadership and military strategy.

Grant and Sherman won the war because the Confederacy – a primarily agrarian nation – was woefully unprepared to do battle against the heavily industrialized Union.

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Bingo. Sadder to the fact is that they had the righteous cause of State’s Rights. Federal Imperialism has reigned since and now we are left with a Federal Tyranny.

Worse is that the North shanghaied so many of their troops from the docks of New York. Ironically, the North enslaved troops to suppress a secession they claimed was to “free slaves”.

Tim Burton on September 21, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Say what you want about the United States, but everywhere our soldiers have fought and died we leave those countries are better off. You can’t say that for any other country anywhere.

titus_pullo on September 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM

This is true even for South Vietnam, though the North screwed it up after they invaded later.

Count to 10 on September 21, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Was it the “surge” or ethnic cleansing?

Chimpy on September 21, 2008 at 1:12 PM

Our deepest gratitude to Petraeus and to all those who have fought so well to secure a peaceful democracy where there was hell’s fury specifically bent to destroy America.

To our fallen heros, our deepest reverence.

Thanks for bringing them to our attention, AP. Their sacrifices are not to be set aside ever, particularly NOW.

maverick muse on September 21, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Nah, Lee led a wave of success in 1862-63 that brought the Confederacy closer to victory than many realized. Union command in the East proved unable to stem it. In the west, however, the Union won several spectacular victories at Shiloh, Vicksburg, and Chattanooga. The leading generals from the west – Grant and Sherman – used their tactics to finally win in the East and West. Once faced with Grant and Sherman, the best Lee could do was delay the inevitable. His reputation depended on “Lost Cause” ideology and Northern reconciliation after the war. Grant and Sherman won the war, guided by the genius of Abraham Lincoln.

Peace, freedom and democracy brought to yet another country courtesy of the American people. First the American South, then Cuba and the Philippines, Europe twice, Korea, and now Iraq. Next: Afghanistan. Future: North Korea, Iran, and Russia.

KillerKane on September 21, 2008 at 1:14 PM

JOIN THE McCAIN SURGE!

Obama lobbyed for defeat in Iraq.

Defeat Barry’s bad judgment this November.

profitsbeard on September 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Will Petreaus be added to the McCain/Palin team? That would be awesome.

nyrofan on September 21, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Tim Burton on September 21, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Whoa…rein in Trigger there, Roy Rogers. Whatever righteous cause might exist in states’ rights was obliviated in the case of the Confedeacy by the fact that their states’ rights claim was undergirded by their desire to keep slavery legal. While their motive to do so was understandable (as an agrarian nation they were utterly dependant upon slave labor) it was nevertheless morally unacceptable.

The North did institute a military draft, but it was nothing even remotely close to the “press gangs” in Britain during the Napoleonic Wars. Your last sentence is therefore historically and factually inaccurate.

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 1:16 PM

1:12 John Agnew, Thomas W Gillespie, Jorge Gonzalez, Brian Min

Transparent agenda.

maverick muse on September 21, 2008 at 1:17 PM

KillerKane on September 21, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Worked out beautifully in Cuba./

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 1:17 PM

If McCain wins, I hope that he would offer a high ranking position for him in the cabinet that would be appropriate, nyrofan.

And if Petreaus objects, I hope that there is a way to persuade him. Maybe throw in a promise to have the IRS tear the offices of Move On PAC inside out looking for … irregularities that will send the staff to jail for a long time for any violation of the law they find. Come on, Petreaus. You know you want to.

wise_man on September 21, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Come on, Petreaus. You know you want to. – wise_man on September 21, 2008 at 1:18 PM

No. He doesn’t. General Petraeus is a great military leader because that is all he ever aspired to become. The lst thing he wants is to jump into the septic tank of partisan politics.

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 1:21 PM

1:12 United for Peace
We nonviolently oppose the reliance on unilateral military actions rather than cooperative diplomacy.”
Henry Adams posts John Agnew, Thomas W Gillespie, Jorge Gonzalez, Brian Min.

maverick muse on September 21, 2008 at 1:21 PM

The lst last thing

ManlyRash on September 21, 2008 at 1:21 PM

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