Quotes of the day
posted at 9:52 pm on September 20, 2008 by Allahpundit
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“The problem, as far as our political process is concerned, is that half the electorate revels in Palin’s lack of intellectual qualifications. When it comes to politics, there is a mad love of mediocrity in this country. ‘They think they’re better than you!’ is the refrain that (highly competent and cynical) Republican strategists have set loose among the crowd, and the crowd has grown drunk on it once again. ‘Sarah Palin is an ordinary person!’ Yes, all too ordinary…
Ask yourself: how has ‘elitism’ become a bad word in American politics? There is simply no other walk of life in which extraordinary talent and rigorous training are denigrated. We want elite pilots to fly our planes, elite troops to undertake our most critical missions, elite athletes to represent us in competition and elite scientists to devote the most productive years of their lives to curing our diseases. And yet, when it comes time to vest people with even greater responsibilities, we consider it a virtue to shun any and all standards of excellence. When it comes to choosing the people whose thoughts and actions will decide the fates of millions, then we suddenly want someone just like us, someone fit to have a beer with, someone down-to-earth—in fact, almost anyone, provided that he or she doesn’t seem too intelligent or well educated.
I believe that with the nomination of Sarah Palin for the vice presidency, the silliness of our politics has finally put our nation at risk.”
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“[T]he accusation here is not really that Palin lacks experience; it is that she lacks the right experience. She attended the University of Idaho, entered a beauty contest, joined the NRA and a church where people speak in tongues and was elected to govern a state with few Starbucks. Obama rose quickly from Columbia to Harvard Law, taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago and joined the most exclusive club in America, the Senate. Even with no governing experience, he can claim what might be called ‘elite experience.’ And this is enough for elitists…
Americans who support Palin are not fools, peasants or theocrats. They have reasons, which elites may not agree with, but cannot dismiss. Many are attracted to her because she embodies the values of the American West, which they find superior to the values of coastal elites. This was part of the appeal of Goldwater and Reagan—a log-splitting, range-riding conservatism that emphasizes freedom. (Palin adds moose hunting to the list.) It’s not irrational or simplistic for voters to prefer candidates who reflect their deepest values…
Elitists can be badly wrong. Populists can be resoundingly right. It is values that often make the difference.”
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“‘What we’re seeing in both campaigns is a fierce determination to win and that principles don’t matter,’ said Heather Mac Donald, a social conservative thinker at the free market Manhattan Institute. ‘There is a lot of populist demagoguery.’…
‘The implosion of anger against anyone – heaven forbid – being elite or having experience that isn’t moose-hunting makes me uncomfortable,’ Mac Donald said. ‘There is no question that I would have preferred someone with business experience in the White House.’…
Mac Donald is considering voting for Obama, even though she fears he is also underqualified. ‘I go back and forth on it. I would not rule it out,’ she said.”
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“Why does Sarah Palin energize all of us who don’t belong to the gilded leftwing circle? Because she’s us. We sat beside her in class. We hung out after school (might’ve even shared a backseat combat zone on prom night). And now she lives next door, raising her kids.
For the first time since Ronald Reagan, our last great president, we, the people, see a chance that one of us might have a voice in governing our country…
So here’s the message Palin is sending on behalf of the rest of us (the down-market masses Dems love at election time and ignore once the voting’s done): The rule of the snobs is over. It’s time to give one of us a chance to lead.”
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Bush is President and has been for almost 8 years.
I don’t have BDS and it is highly overdiagnosed around these parts anyway.
KentAllard on September 21, 2008 at 3:57 AM
Yet when a constitutional issue comes up he never does speak with conviction/subject matter expert, and says stupid stuff like “it is above my pay grade”.
I wish I had a job where I was overpaid/unqualified for and did not have to defend myself.
Actually I take that back; I like a good challange.
F15Mech on September 21, 2008 at 4:18 AM
Self diagnosis is notoriously unreliable.
Defining culpability for all the ills of Washington like this is the most common symptom. I’d get it checked out.
Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 4:42 AM
It just could be I suppose, if that was what I did, but it wasn’t. It was one article. You are over diagnosing this “BDS” of yours. You seem to see it everywhere. Saves time though I suppose. Please don’t ever become a doctor or an auto mechanic.
KentAllard on September 21, 2008 at 5:26 AM
If you per chance need a short version – this “BDS” of yours, ditto the use of “troll” for that mater, is very lame.
KentAllard on September 21, 2008 at 5:32 AM
Palin is to politics as Pedroia is to baseball.
What do I mean?
There are two things that I love to watch: politics and baseball. They are a lot a lot alike in many ways. And besides, its fun to use the two as metaphors for each other.
Here in Red Sox Nation, we live to watch kids graduate to the major league level – ‘come up from Pawtucket’ is the phrase.
Follow me for a minute.
A year ago, a minor league second baseman named Dustin Pedroia began the season batting well below the Mendoza line (that’s really, really badly for those who don’t follow baseball). He was too small, 5′8″ and 160 lbs. The press (you know them, the ones who cannot do, but are always eager to criticize those who can. Quick to remind all of us that they ‘could of been a contender’) was in a rage that the manager kept putting this kid in the line up that, to them, wasn’t qualified or talented enough for the job. They pointed to his statistics as proof. The manager was unmoved. He said that Pedroia had succeeded wherever he went, that his determination and hard work would overcome his balky start.
The manager was correct, as it turned out. Pedroia won the Rookie of the Year award last year and is a safe bet to win the Most Valuable Player award this year. To watch this man strike a baseball or turn a double play is a thing of beauty.
Palin is in much the same position now as Pedroia was at the beginning of last season. The press howls that she doesn’t have the experience, doesn’t have the credentials, has a house full of kids, etc. McCain plays the part of the manager. Give her a little time, he says, she succeeds wherever she goes.
So after reading the Newsweek article my blood pressure was sky high and after reading the comments I just about had a stroke. Then I realized that with every passing day fewer and fewer people are reading Newsweek, the New York Times, Time, etc. for exactly the reason that they embrace the condescention that people in fly over country are incapable of self-governance, that they need the ivy league graduates to populate the ruling class to save them from themselves.
These self-same, self-professed elites with their ivy league sheepskins have been engaged in a nonstop fusillade of ad hominem attacks on George W. Bush, who is, ironically, a graduate of both Yale and Harvard.
Listening to Palin speak with Hannaty last week she mentioned that she was not flustered by the reaction to the press. I think she knows who she is and she certainly seems comfortable in her own skin.
Ironically, it may just be that the press, in their attempt to wipe her from the Republican ticket, might just be doing the exact opposite. If this isn’t an example of Baptism by Fire, then I don’t know what the term means.
Palin does not have to be an expert on foreign policy on the first day in office, that’s why we have a Secretary of State and a State Department. For those who are afraid of what might happen if Palin should suddenly become president in 2009, don’t be. Harry Truman did just fine under much the same circumstances (and I seem to remember that he made frequent use of prayer to get him through some very difficult times). For those who think she’s not experienced enough, four to eight years as second banana should be sufficient to qualify her for the office when its her turn to run.
turfmann on September 21, 2008 at 6:44 AM
I’ve said it before here. A country needs elites. But they have to be products of institutions that are quintessentially American, and that promote traditional American values like democracy and capitalism.
Since our elite institutions, responsible for turning out the best and the brightest, our future leaders, are now corrupted and politically far left, their elite product is scorned by a large percentage of people.
Makes sense to me. But doesn’t work in the long run to get the best qualified people in the most crucial positions, and is a danger to the country.
JiangxiDad on September 21, 2008 at 7:08 AM
Very good comment, and analogy. And as a Yankee fan, let me tell you how much I enjoy watching Pedroia play, and everyone else up there (except he who shall not be named and is now on the W. Coast).
Good luck in politics, and in the playoffs. I’ll be rooting for you in both.
JiangxiDad on September 21, 2008 at 7:11 AM
Turfmann, bravo.
As a MAJOR Pedroia fan, I’ll be excerpting a couple paragraphs from that later on, if you don’t mind. Giving full credit, of course.
Bruce in NH on September 21, 2008 at 7:53 AM
I agree that we need elite people in this country but not political elites. Think of Davy Crockett. He was a frontiersman, cum congressman, cum settler of the West. He was an American first, a soldier second, a politician third, and an American last.
We need more citizens like Crockett who, ACTUALLY serve their country, and merely do a tour of duty in Washington D.C. and then go on to make America a better place to live.
Mojave Mark on September 21, 2008 at 8:12 AM
You make an excellent point about George W. Bush. The Newsweek article criticizes Gov. Palin for not having been educated at an elite institution, and for having no impressive business credentials. Yet President Bush, who received his undergraduate degree from Yale and who has an M.B.A. from Harvard Business School, is viewed by Lefties like the Newsweek writer as a disastrous president who foolishly led the country into a quagmire in Iraq, and presided over the biggest debacle in our financial sector since the Great Depression. It seems that for Republicans, you’re damned if you do (have Ivy League credentials), and you’re damned if you don’t.
AZCoyote on September 21, 2008 at 8:13 AM
We need more citizens like Crockett who, ACTUALLY serve their country, and merely do a tour of duty in Washington D.C. and then go on to make America a better place to live.
Amen, and don’t forget Old Hickory(Andrew Jackson).
apoole on September 21, 2008 at 8:23 AM
Obama’s teaching experience only means he’s qualified to express an extreme point of view on constitutional law which will be out of sync with the majority of Americans and USSC justices.
Blake on September 21, 2008 at 8:32 AM
and Lyndon Johnson had loads of Washington experience when he took over the presidency after Kennedy was shot and killed in 1963. Johnson had been in the Congress and Senate for years, was a highly successful legislator, and is still considered by many historians to have been the most effective Senate Majority Leader ever. Yet Johnson was a terrible President. He greatly escalated U.S. military involvement in Vietnam without developing a clear exit strategy, he let race riots get out of control at home (allowing much of Detroit to be burned to the ground before sending in federal troops), and he presided over the creation of huge federal entitlement programs such as Medicaid and Medicare that are threatening to bankrupt the federal government today.
“Washingon experience” is highly overrated as a predictor of presidential success.
AZCoyote on September 21, 2008 at 8:42 AM
If I might summarize what many people on the thread have said/are saying:
The problem here is the attempt to connect elite and elitism.
Elite = intelligence, character, poise, honor and right choices
Elitism = the ‘correct’ pedigree
I would also point out that liberals (like Sam Harris and Heather McDonald) are even wrong about their definition of elite.
They define elite about the same as I did above but add the elitist “correct pedigree” to it.
And this where they get out of step with the rest of the country.
Where they add “correct pedigree” we add “results.”
What makes someone elite is not where they come from, but what they do.
And I’ve met many very intelligent people of great character who have, for one reason or another, never really produced many results.
Obama is obviously a gifted, intelligent man.
However, he lacks any real results in his life.
Heck, even when he was a law professor he never published a single article (I may be off by one or two articles, though).
Gov. Palin, though lacking the proper Ivy League pedigree, has done things and made things happen.
It’s the difference between talking the talk and walking the walk.
And that’s the greatest difference between being elite and being an elitist.
Religious_Zealot on September 21, 2008 at 8:43 AM
turfmann on September 21, 2008 at 6:44
Excellent analogy and well stated.
red131 on September 21, 2008 at 8:51 AM
turfmann on September 21, 2008 at 6:44 AM
Dude, you hit the nail on the head. As a lover of THE GAME, I could think of no better analogy than the one you gave…no bad for a Sox fan!
Awesome.
joepub on September 21, 2008 at 8:52 AM
Listening to Hannity’s canned, scripted, powder puff interview that left Palin regurgitating key words like; cronyism, reform, mavericks, cronyism, reform… a very limited range of ideas her dimbulb of a speech writer had formulated…?
That’s gosh darn real “hipe and change” if I ever heard it…!
“You go girl…!”
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 8:55 AM
So her approval rating has fallen to 84% now?
Anyone out there see what an amazing statement I just made? Wish I had that problem.
drunkenmaster on September 21, 2008 at 8:59 AM
Elite = near 90% approval rating even after running against the corrupt political machine of her own party.
Elitism = repeatedly voting present and sponsoring few, if any, bills while being put in power by the corrupt political machine of his own party.
Religious_Zealot on September 21, 2008 at 9:05 AM
More accurately, government had to rescue business from the problems that intrusive government created by imposing laws in the interest of social justice, that corrupt government fostered by ignoring the greed and cronyism of its own legislative members, and that irresponsible government allowed to perpetuate because of its lack of foreseeing consequences and its avoidance of accountability.
The intelligence and integrity of a Sarah Palin would have called out and publicized the unethical behavior of the legislators, the heads of powerful committees, and the agencies that abused their power. Then she would have used that bully pulpit and the law to rid the government of such scoundrels from public office.
Barry O!– not so much. The thieves in the three-piece suits with the fancy credentials are just a means of feathering his nest of entitlement.
onlineanalyst on September 21, 2008 at 9:07 AM
I dispute the premise that Palin lacks “intellectual qualifications”. It seems to me that there is ample evidence that she has brains, wisdom, judgment and ability. Just look at what she has accomplished during her years in government. So she drops her g’s. That can be fixed with a little coaching, and in any case I’ll take her authentic regionalism over Barry’s affectation of speaking as if he had been raised down-with-the-brothers instead of in Hawaii by those Kansans he likes to remind us about, or at Harvard Square.
How many pipelines has Barry negotiated, other than the patronage pipeline which earmarked millions of taxpayer dollars to the institution which employs his wife at an inflated salary, or to the slum landlords and racist Marxist churches run by people he calls “friends”, “advisors”, and even “mentors”?
Quick! Name one thing that Barry the Ivy Leaguer has accomplished as an elected public servant (other than voting to dump babies in soiled utility closets and riding the up elevator to the Presidency with a blank resume’ in his briefcase).
Buy Danish on September 21, 2008 at 9:14 AM
I disagree with the definition of elitist. It does not mean the best when dealing with the politics, it means that left wing internationalist anti american bashing that forms the life blood of most democrats and socialists. The elitists view themselves as ‘citizens of the world’ not of their respective countries. They look down on expressions of patriotism as knuckle crawling, unenlightened; and people who engage in those acts as stupid and manipulated and victims of ‘false consciousness’. It is not confined to any particular portion of society, income level, or intellectual level (although pseudo intellectuals seem to have lethal cases of this illness). This kind of elitism is guilt ridden for real or imagined ‘crimes’ of the West but especially the USA. Yet they readily excuse the very real crimes of non-Western countries (so long as those countries are sufficiently anti American in politics).
So Gov Palin is not elitist, she is everything the political elite has been fighting against for the past fifty years or so. I wish her the best and look forward to her Inauguration.
eaglewingz08 on September 21, 2008 at 9:19 AM
Bill Whittle offers a compelling case for the excellence of such patriots as Sarah Palin and her ilk in fighting for our civilization.
onlineanalyst on September 21, 2008 at 9:23 AM
These quirky, meaningless statements remind me of the “motivation” poster on despair.com. It says, “If a pretty poster and a cute saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have a very easy job. The kind robots will be doing soon.”
Send_Me on September 21, 2008 at 9:26 AM
McCain’s mental capacity is where the real concern should be concentrated and directed.
We’ll have to find a new moniker for him.
“McSame” now only describes one of his problems.
Lately he’s had no clue what he’s said even three days earlier concerning the economy, social security, the banking system or Medicare; to say nothing about three weeks, three months or three years ago… forget about it…!
Both McCain’s short and long term memory ability; seems to have evaporated in recent months.
Senility; can be a not so subtle and very depilating problem for the potential leader of the free world.
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 9:29 AM
Bill Whittle offers a compelling case for the excellence of such patriots as Sarah Palin and her ilk in fighting for our civilization.
onlineanalyst on September 21, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Wow. Powerful. Brought a tear to my eyes.
Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 9:38 AM
Her real ability is to fool the elitists into thinking she is a dimbulb. Hopefully Oslime-a et al will fall for it just as you have.
csdeven on September 21, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Well, gee, Mr. Gotcha, I guess you have a point if hair loss is part of McCain’s problem. However, what is between his ears; ie., his brain, is in fine shape.
Barry O!? Not so much. We voters need a score card to keep track of his reversals and contradictions. Blowback from his former drug use?
onlineanalyst on September 21, 2008 at 9:47 AM
csd, I didn’t accuse her of dimbulbery…
“…a very limited range of ideas her dimbulb of a speech writer had formulated…?”
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Y’mean like Hope and Change,..or Yes we can? Like that?
a capella on September 21, 2008 at 9:51 AM
Only to the frivolous, will that be of important.
I must compliment you onlineanalyst; “words mean things”…!
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 9:54 AM
You’ve just given a fairly accurate description of Obama’s performance in the past month. After all, a teleprompter at campaign stops is a humiliating concession indeed for a lawyer of his intelligence and vaunted oratorical skills.
Senility doesn’t explain Obama’s dilemma though. The inability to maintain a false persona under the type of pressure every presidential candidate must face is more likely the explanation. The mask is slipping, and the not-so-appealing character underneath is peeking through.
Nichevo on September 21, 2008 at 10:01 AM
I’m glad you said that. I too have a problem with the way the word is used. When I think of using “elite” as an adjective, I think of Navy SEALS, Army Delta, Air Force Parajumpers, Marine Recon, and Astronauts, etc.
Also, as it has been repeated in this thread, “elite” MUST be tied to a history of near perfect performance. I would add that it isn’t used to describe a single person and the members of the group don’t consider themselves elitists. I’d say McCain is in the elite of patriotic Americans that put it on the line when called to duty. Can you imagine remaining a POW in the face of torture and imminent death? Has Oslime-a EVER……EVER in his entire life been faced with such a decision? Hell, he was faced with the decision to save live birth babies and he failed miserably!
We have a choice in this election. Elect McCain, who is a member of an elite group of Americans that have proven throughout their lives that they are authentic patriots, or elect a disgusting piece of shit, in Oslime-a, who is only interested in his own political future and sacrifices living human beings on the alter of that rapaciousness.
csdeven on September 21, 2008 at 10:04 AM
FIFY.
Posting off-topic can be a sign of something, too.
In this case, using something as serious as Alzheimer’s which has devastated the lives of so many of our friends and family members is a sign that you are really without any conscience.
Y-not on September 21, 2008 at 10:07 AM
I haven’t read all of the above posts, but I have the impression that some are conflating the terms “elite” and “expert.” Someone even says that “elite” means you are better than others at something. No, that is what “expert” means. “Elite” means you THINK you are better than others. “The elite” really is a social class term and has nothing to do with ability or talent, though it might reflect the financial ability to attend the “right” college. It is the American equivalent of “aristocracy.”
Heiress on September 21, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Pardon me for taking liberties. My read of your attitude is that you do believe her to be ignorant. The articles you have linked to recently are all centered on her lack of intelligence etc.
If that is not what you think of her, will you publicly admit that it is quite clear by her achievements that she is quite capable and certainly not a dimbulb?
csdeven on September 21, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Well, some maybe, but not Bill Clinton et al.
“It’s a mistake to underestimate her. She’s got good intuitive skills. They’re significant,”
“She’s an instinctively effective candidate and with a compelling story,”
Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 10:13 AM
I can name a few accomplishments of David (Petraeus) the Ivy Leaguer and Bobby (Jindal) the Ivy Leaguer. Similarly, do we say George (Custer) the West Pointer or Omar (Bradley) the West Pointer?
Bottom line: anti-intellectualism is not the answer to our problems.
Send_Me on September 21, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Right! AND he didn’t mention one single virtue. Perhaps The Clenis has decided that truth is a good thing?
hahaha!
csdeven on September 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Send_Me on September 21, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Ahh, I get it.
Intellectualism is the answer to our problems.
Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 10:24 AM
Please pardon me if I have this wrong; however, I recall the charge was leveled against G.H.W. Bush (aka Bush 41). He had life too easy, attended the best school for boys, and was an aristocrat. They never quite got around to the whole truth of his days during WW II or the fact that all of the true upper class from the time of Rome were expected to forgo their high living and lead in war efforts. This was held in high esteem by the supporters of J.F.K.
The double standard is well documented, and yet we are still ’shocked’ to find it used again and again. Now they are attacking Sara for the same ‘virtue’ that had so many rising up from poverty to gain the highest point in government.
Dennis227 on September 21, 2008 at 10:28 AM
There’s your problem. Being anti Ivy is not the same thing as being anti-intellectual. It’s being anti dumb rich people.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 10:41 AM
great comment
From the Heather McDonald piece:
sigh, another Romney supporter, who is doing a Kmiec. One wonders at the extreme effort such “social conservatives” had to pursue to convince themselves that Obama shares their beliefs on anything.
And what exactly is Obama’s “business experience?” How does Obama’s vaunted business experience compare with the fact that Sarah and Todd Palin run their own small business….like I said in a previous comment, MacDonald’s infatuation with Obama makes no sense, and has no mooring in reality.
funky chicken on September 21, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Y-not, thanks for not requiring me to repost the many substantiating links I’ve included in the last three days.
I did not say Alzheimer’s; I was suggesting that Senator McCain has exhibited a continuing and curious string of senior moments.
Lately he’s been exhibiting them on a more regular basis and over a wider range of topics. That’s reason for real concern.
Her ability to perform as the leader of the free world is still to be determined.
The continuous repetition and reuse of terms like “cronyism, reform, mavericks, cronyism, reform…etc” Is the attempt by her campaign handlers and speech writers to keep her on the message they feel she must be reciting.
They’re the dimbulbs.
She may come up with something actually original and new during the debate or at some future news conference?
You go girl…!
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Oh, balls. America’s corporations are run by lefties. Stop pretending they are helpless victims of government. They are victims of their own stupidity.
Why are people on the right rushing to defend their enemies like this?
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM
And that differs from Senator Teleprompter, how?
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 10:47 AM
And “the implosion of anger against anyone” doesn’t make any sense either.
Perhaps Ms. MacDonald has lost her bearings?
Or she’s been isolated in that ivory tower for so long that she’s forgotten that implosion and explosion (damn prefixes confuse my kids still too) have very different meanings.
funky chicken on September 21, 2008 at 10:47 AM
And Senator Teleprompter will come up with something actually original when the people who put words in his mouth do.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 10:48 AM
You go, boy!
No, I mean it. Go, boy!.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 10:50 AM
And the corrupt incompetents running the banks into the ground are Democrats, and have been for longer than eight years.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Yeah, those qualify, but Obama reminds me yet of a different poster: government. “If you think the problems we create are bad, just wait until you see our solutions.”
Send_Me on September 21, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Which is true of Oslime-a also. And he also uses tired old phrases day in and day out. Criminy, the guy uses a teleprompter EVERYWHERE he goes.
But Sarah has much more experience that lends itself to the office she is seeking. Namely executive experience. And in every job she has held, she has been capable and enjoys huge approval ratings.
Those are the accomplishments I am referring to.
csdeven on September 21, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Key difference…
Eliteists want to change the way YOU live…
Good Politicians want to change the way WE live…
Its like the politicians who rant and rave about Public School, but then send their own kids to private school…
Or Gore flying his private jet around while telling us to ride bikes more…
They think we are stupid, and are unable to run our own lives, and so must be told.
Romeo13 on September 21, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Dennis227 on September 21, 2008 at 10:28 AM
Do not worry, my friend.
America is not fooled.
The elitists haven’t been this disconnected since King George miscalculated his colonial problem across the Atlantic.
They sense something, but they can’t divine it. So they attack it. People fear most what they don’t understand.
Productive people, the majority of America, understand Governor Palin.
Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Using our brains to solve problems: sounds good to me. What’s the problem here?
Send_Me on September 21, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Obama might be a genius, but he’s dangerous. Palin might not be a genius, but she has common sense and no hidden agenda. McCain/Palin 08.
marklmail on September 21, 2008 at 11:01 AM
The more “they” attack Governor Palin, the more tightly we circle around her. She is us, and we owe her covering fire because we owe it to ourselves. She is common AND competent; normal AND above average. McCain did the right thing and has given us our best shot at winning this thing and preserving the Constitution.
I made my own yard sign in our sign shop because our Republican headquarters can’t keep them in stock. I got the idea from another contributor here (sorry I can’t remember who). It reads, “Obama? No thanks, keep the change” and under that a large McCain/Palin 08. I hope nobody tries to vandalize my property, but I will not submit to liberal intimidation. As the old saying goes…”this is the hill I’ve chosen to die on” (figuratively, of course).
SKYFOX on September 21, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Right on flenser, those statements are truly Quaylesque in their understanding of our corporate institutions, the vernacular of the day and the deep profundity of thought illustrated by the writer..!
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 11:07 AM
To a great extent, seems to be true. Like oil co’s running ads about how green they are, like utilities asking people to buy certain a/c’s to cut down on carbon emissions, like mortgage companies saying the greatest good is to get people who can’t afford to buy a house into a house, etc.
This is Atlas Shrugged coming eerily to life.
JiangxiDad on September 21, 2008 at 11:27 AM
True, turning those institutions which could/would otherwise be producing and increasing wealth into namby pamby instruments of social engineering, and those therein fleecing the very companies they work for.
JiangxiDad on September 21, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Probly time to put the experience meme to bed here.
There has NEVER been a person elected President (save a successful incumbent) who’s had experience in the job, which makes the experience question of the VP selection moot, imho.
irongrampa on September 21, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Right on, J_Gocht! Your comments are truly fascist in their complete contempt for the truth.
Before election time comes, there needs to be a culling of the troll herd here.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM
It’s anti-elitest.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Jxd, are you and flenser identical twins, only now unfortunately separated by geographical distance, yet still joined by the intertubes…?
And… “How about those Democrats…?”
They’re still runnin’ the whole shebang, while the entire passel of ‘em are dumber than a box of rocks sittin’ on a dead stump…
I don’t think Dead Eye and Dubyah would agree wit youse…!
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Here is your precious “right wing corporation”.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Even by the standards of lefty trolls, you are exceptionally empty headed. Nobody is interested in what you “think”. If you have any information tying the Republican party to the recent financial meltdown go ahead and share it.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Can you admit that she is not ignorant in the context I referred to in this post?
The converse is that she is capable and you claim you are not calling her a dimbulb.
Which is it?
csdeven on September 21, 2008 at 12:19 PM
csdeven, it’s not interested in discussing anything. It’s here to spread lies and waste everyone’s time. So far it’s doing a good job at that.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 12:21 PM
csd, you missed my post of…
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Hey flenser,here’s one you all have run around the block a time or two.
I gotta’ love the strawman you all have set up that Obama was the second largest recipient of largess from Freddie and Fannie.
Here’s the real bonafides…
F&F employee’s contributions:
Obama–$126,000
McCain–$26,700
F&F directors and supervisor’s contributions:
McCain–$169,000
Obama–$16,000
Being a workin’ man my own self I’ll go with the employees every time…!
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 12:49 PM
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Have you any specifics on why Obama will be an effective President?
Or is “You Go Girl!” an actual endorsement of Palin?
Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM
a workin’ man
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Phon’y'tically speaking, of course.
Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Hey Salty_ I picked that “You go girl” thingy up from my granddaughter yakkin’ with her buds at their soccer games.
Yes, I actually think Sarah has many fine qualities; however, I don’t believe she’s qualified to be President.
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 1:08 PM
You impress me Salty_…!
You actually took the initiative to get out your Hungarian/ English dictionary.
Coodoos…!
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 1:15 PM
It’s not a “strawman”, moron. It’s a “fact”. I know you fascists are not not very familiar with those.
I notice you provide no link to back up your claims. But I do.
Top recipients of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac contributions.
Dodd, Christopher $165,400
Obama, Barack $126,349
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 1:19 PM
If that’s true, then on what basis do you think that Obama is qualified to be President? Unlike Palin, Senator Teleprompter is actually running for President.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Flenser, flenser, flenser, of my! Is that really you? Resorting to calling someone a fascist. You seem to have lost your ability to debate. Where did it go? Maybe you are just feeling lazy this morning?
Culling the herd? Double oh my! Now what does that remind me of? I dare not speak it’s name.
semloh on September 21, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Those numbers are a lie, Mr Fascist. What a surprise, you lying.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 1:24 PM
semloh, I don’t beleive I’ve had the displeasure of your acquaintance before this. Or is that one of many different names you use?
Yes, “fascist” is the correct word to describe Gocht.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Such as…
Obama is qualified for president because: ?
(This is your chance to shine)
Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Way to go flenser. Now as the Round Mound of Drug Addicted sounds says; “Yah gotta dig deep”…!
So I’m gonna let you settle your backside deep into that sofa of yours and exercise that “google button” till you wear it out.
Now first: find a list of all directors and supervisors.
Second: now goggle their contributions individually for McSame and Obama.
That should keep you busy till sometime tomorrow unless you check the CNN site.
You will then be the possessor of the real truth and all the inside skinny…!
Start clickin’…!
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 1:35 PM
I’m not your research assistant, Mr Fascist. Find your own list. Your claims made above was a lie.
Why have I “gotta dig deep”? I’m citing the facts here, while you, as usual, are telling the Big Lie. How about you “dig deep”?
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Not unless the inside skinny resides on Kos.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Who do lobbyists give money to?
The Democrats.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 1:41 PM
Who do law firms give money to?
The Democrats.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM
And yet are the one using those kind of tactics to try to stifle debate and you are the one talking about culling the heard. My *oh my* certainly stands and I will have to add yet another now. You are really racking them up.
semloh on September 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Who do hedge funds give money to?
The Democrats.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM
What “kind of tactics” are you referring to, “semloh”? I’m not “stifling debate” because you and your fellow fascists are not remotely interested in debate. You are interested in preventing it. And do you plan on introducing yourself using the name I know you by?
And you continue to say a whole lot of nothing.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 1:49 PM
flenser on September 21, 2008
The facts will not put a dent in J_Gocht’s narrative and he will have none of yours. Good try though. I appreciate the reminders to “follow the money”.
SKYFOX on September 21, 2008 at 1:50 PM
About those evil PAC’s ..
Who do they give money to? The Democrats. Sixteen of the top twenty PAC’s give mostly to Democrats.
These are what are called “facts”, for the benefit of the fascists here.
flenser on September 21, 2008 at 1:52 PM
I read it, but correct me if I missed the part where you gave Sarah props for being a capable person.
csdeven on September 21, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Salty_ actually I should have said…“A legeslegjobb -hoz ön!
You and Janos will keep me honest…?
Or was that “Phon’y’tically speaking, of course.”
Just a play on words and I gave you entirely too much credit for understanding a “workin’ man on the telofon”…?
J_Gocht on September 21, 2008 at 1:57 PM
I know. I usually give people a couple of chances to get in the spirit of honest discussion. He has already shown me he has deserved the troll label that is hung on his neck. I am simple trying to find out if he is willing to respond civilly when he is treated civilly.
csdeven on September 21, 2008 at 1:59 PM
What’s up J_Gocht? Am I asking unfair questions?
Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 2:02 PM
My life story is why this woman is beneath contempt.
I grew up in Wyoming in the 1950s/1960s in a town of 5000 people within 10 miles of a WWII Japanese internment camp . Population density at that time was 3 persons per square mile (~300,000 humans and ~100,000 square miles of land). I was taught how to shoot a six-shooter as an 8 year old, and I know how to use a hunting rifle. My family subsisted off of wild game for years. Every year, my brothers and I, along with my father, shot an elk (wapiti) and one or more dear for meat. There were some years when we even got a moose. I drew the line at bear (yuck, I wouldn’t eat it). We had SO much wild game, my father bought the refrigeration unit off of a wrecked truck, and he built a 10 foot by 10 foot walk-in freezer off of the garage. Some years, if we had less than adequate hunting luck, we bought a side of beef from one of my uncles. We did all of the dressing, skinning, curing, and butchering ouselves. It was nasty hard work.
I grew up. I attended the University of Wyoming. I graduated magna cum laude with a BSME. I was the UW’s top graduate in my discipline that year (highest GPA).
Within a month, I attended Purdue University. The Big 10 graduates laughed at me (because I was from such a primitive place — Wyoming after all). I know for a fact that I was the ONLY Wyoming native in attendance that year at Purdue because it was published in the student newspaper (more reason to laugh at me). Eighteen months later, they weren’t laughing anymore. I had written a 200+ page Master’s Thesis and I had outscored my classmates on many of the final exams. I graduated magna cum laude with an MSME. I was 23 years old. Time to go to work.
I took the lowest paying job offer I had, and went to work for NASA. I worked there nearly 3 years, before the agency sent me to school at Stanford University to study for my Ph.D. in Aeronautical Engineering. I completed the course work in 19 months — nearly twice as many coursework hours as was required for the degree. Seventeen people took the qualifying exams that year. Only five of us passed. I received the top score. I returned to NASA and wrote my 300+ page disseration in absentia. I returned to Stanford 16 months later to review the first draft with my advisor. He told me that it was the finest first draft he had ever ever seen. We worked to enhance it. Four months later I gave my presentation (defense). One of the professors on my committee (not my advisor) told me that it was the finest dissertation defense that he had ever seen. Again, I graduated magna cum laude with my Ph.D. in Aeronautics/Astronautics.
After seven years with NASA, I ended my government service (leaving the agency) and headed for the left coast (Seattle) to work for a well known aerospace giant. I’ve been here for the past 21 years without being laid off (a miracle in its own right).
Throughout my life, I’ve run into the snooty Heather McDonalds of the world. As near as I can tell, every d*mn one of them has been as empty, and as unethical as Barack Obama. They are like beta males trying to over-compensate. Not one has ever been able to out-think me, out-work me, out-produce me, or intimidate me. (It helps that I am over six feet tall and 240 pounds.)
That doesn’t mean that I’ve gone though life unscathed. I’ve suffered plenty of damage because of their lies, treachery, and sabotage. They will never win, though, because they simply don’t understand that I am not playing by the same rules. Like Sarah Palin, I grew up in a Bible believing church. (That’s right. I’m a gun slinging, Bible totin’, not-so-bitter clinger.) The only way that they can beat me, is if I let them. Only if I let them turn me into an angry, hate filled, venom spewing loser like themselves, will they win. It ain’t gonna’ happen. I know my Bible, and I heed the warnings about “guarding my heart.”
Besides. I have a talking dog.
My collie says:
Did I mention that he’s a pretty doggone smart collie?
CyberCipher on September 21, 2008 at 2:05 PM
You have really lost it. I am embarrassed to even converse with you anymore. You used to be a much better debater. Never great, but pretty good. Now you have leapfrogged even kos with your fascist, fascist, fascist, fascist!!!! What happened? Did you not sleep well last night? Maybe if you take a sedative and a nap you will recover some.
semloh on September 21, 2008 at 2:10 PM
CyberCipher on September 21, 2008 at 2:05 PM
God Bless America.
Saltysam on September 21, 2008 at 2:12 PM
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