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AP poll: Racism among white Democrats could cost Obama the election

posted at 4:47 pm on September 20, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Depressing, especially since it’s based on a huge sample. The key, of course, is correlation: It’s not whether white Democrats have negative opinions about blacks that matters (for these purposes), it’s the extent to which those opinions influence how they’re voting. What the poll’s trying to do, in essence, is untangle racial prejudice from the knot of hundreds of other considerations that go into one’s choice. Whether that’s possible, particularly via an unusual methodology that attempts to account for unconscious racism — note the details about “affect misattribution” and lists of things people find “upsetting” — I leave to our statistician readers to decide. The gist:

More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can’t win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don’t have such views…

Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren’t voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn’t vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.

Not all whites are prejudiced. Indeed, more whites say good things about blacks than say bad things, the poll shows. And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.

On the other side of the racial question, the Illinois Democrat is drawing almost unanimous support from blacks, the poll shows, though that probably wouldn’t be enough to counter the negative effect of some whites’ views.

Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that…

Still, the effects of whites’ racial views are apparent in the polling.

Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama’s support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice.

There’s so much data to digest that I’m inclined to treat this as an open thread and let you guys mine the crosstabs in the comments. A few observations, though:

1. We already had a clue about this from the primaries, per the exit polls from Ohio. Fully 20 percent admitted race mattered to their vote; of those, almost 60 percent broke for Her Majesty. That jibes with what the AP found: “Among white Democrats, Clinton supporters were nearly twice as likely as Obama backers to say at least one negative adjective described blacks well, a finding that suggests many of her supporters in the primaries — particularly whites with high school education or less — were motivated in part by racial attitudes.”

2. Unless I’m missing something, the crosstabs don’t include data by party or, more importantly, data on white Democrats who are voting for Obama versus those who aren’t. For party results, you have to rely on the sidebar graphic that accompanies the article; white Republicans consistently score lower than white Democrats on racial questions, incidentally. The only data I can find on racial attitudes among white Democrats is in the scraps near the end of the interactive at-a-glance feature. There are some amazing gaps between white Dems who support Obama and those who don’t on certain racial questions — 30+ points in a few cases — but it’d be nice to compare their answers on all of them to see if the margins are huge across the board. If they’re not, it undermines the argument that racial attitudes are a significant contributing factor, or at least refines the question to ask which racial attitudes, specifically, are the killers.

3. Not all of the questions used as a gauge of negative racial attitudes unambiguously prove negative racial attitudes. E.g., “Agree or disagree: Irish, Italians, Jewish, and other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up, blacks should do the same without special favors.” Respondents could be interpreting “special favors” to mean affirmative action, in which case all they’re doing is answering whether they support AA. Is it racist not to do so? The nutroots would say yes, the rest of America wouldn’t.

4. I’ll quote Nate Silver for this one: “A related and unresolved question is how many persons will vote for Barack Obama because he is black. Such behavior would probably be more implicit and harder to ascertain than voting against a candidate because of racial prejudice. For instance, Obama’s biography is significantly more compelling because he is black (actually, bi-racial), and his change message is probably somewhat easier to sell because he looks different than other (e.g. white) politicians. If he were white, in other words, Barack Obama would not be Barack Obama. Moreover, there may be some people who explicitly vote for Obama because they think it will advance a goal of racial equality, present a different face to the world, and so forth. In the absence of sufficient detail on the study’s methodology, it is impossible to know whether these things have been accounted for.”

5. Related to the last point, not that it’s any comfort to Obama or any excuse for those who are voting for prejudiced reasons, per James Joyner there are worse liabilities to have as a candidate than the “wrong” race. Unfortunately, The One may be suffering on that account, too:

6. Finally, what do we make of this Rasmussen poll from last month? Obviously it’s not race per se that’s a dealbreaker or else McCain wouldn’t be getting his ass handed to him there. It’s the stereotypes associated with race, which Powell somehow transcends in ways that Obama evidently doesn’t. Is it his military record? Or his years of experience as SecState?

And with that, I hand the analytical baton to you.


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Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 5:47 PM

If I were a betting man, I’d bet that party adherence dominates over race.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:50 PM

If Canadians think you are boring, you have an image problem.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080919.wcomurph20/BNStory/specialComment/home

The Incredible Shrinking Obama. If he’s getting this kind of coverage in Canada, it’s probably a bad sign. Meanwhile, reader C.J. Burch emails: “Panic is an emotional state. Can’t be measured by stats. Maybe there is no reason at all for Obama and the media to panic, still looks like they have. Doesn’t it?”

http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/024629.php

Mr. Joe on September 20, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Then I guess this isn’t racist, it’s just bad business….

Seven Percent Solution on September 20, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Coorelation is NOT causation… Just because some people statistically have one negative thing against blacks doesn’t mean that their reason to not vote for Obama is based on race.

It’s like the old theory that flies come from rotten meat because it always happened. Until some smart guy put cheese cloth over the meat and nothing happened (because the flies couldn’t lay the eggs in the meat then).

Were there ever any studies on Kerry analyzing that he might lose the election because some leftists had at least one thing against military personnel and Kerry was once part of the military? NO.

And yet, we’re supposed to buy into this pseudo-intellectual claptrap?

Skywise on September 20, 2008 at 5:53 PM

Yeah. Considering their voting trends usually, I don’t see black support for Obama to be racism.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Running against a Republican, yes thats the trend. But what about when he was running against Clinton? They had the same agenda’s, but Obama got plus 90% of the vote then too.

Hog Wild on September 20, 2008 at 5:55 PM

I haven’t seen this asked yet.

Regarding IMG4: It would be quite interesting to know the self-described political affiliations corresponding to the answers about the candidates perceived religions.

Specifically the 14% that view Obama as Muslim. If that group largely comes from the Republican Conservatives or Moderates, then it’s not a problem; they wouldn’t vote for him anyway.

If the group comes from the Democrat Liberals or Moderates, again it isn’t a problem since they would vote for him under any circumstances.

Where this number becomes a problem for Barack is if that number represents Republican Libs, Independents, and/or Demorcrat Conservatives.

I suspect the large part of the “Muslim” group comes from the Republican right. So I suspect it may be a non-issue for Obama.

Ace ODale on September 20, 2008 at 5:55 PM

They had the same agenda’s, but Obama got plus 90% of the vote then too.

Hog Wild on September 20, 2008 at 5:55 PM

If they have the same agenda, and they voted for the candidate who had the same skin color, I don’t think that’s racism. People naturally gravitate towards candidates who have the greater level of identity. Again, assuming the candidates are equal, voters will pick the one whom they have the greater connection too. It’s natural.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM

There’s only one group of people who have demonstrated that race is important in this election and that group is black people. 90% approval is a rubber stamp for Barry due to race. Every other race is split on BHO. Ferraro was right. He’s where he is because he’s black. He was selected, not elected. I don’t care about ginned up polls right now. An empty suit by any racial standard is still an empty suit.

Mojave Mark on September 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Maybe now would be a good time for Obama to come clean and admit that he is not a black guy.

Obama is Arab/Caucasian because his father was an Arab & his mother was a white radical.

Did anyone bother to find out if Democrats have a problem with voting for a guy that is 50% white, 44% Arab and 6% black?

More worthless polling information.

Dorvillian on September 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Hey, I don’t care why people aren’t voting for him, I’m just glad they’re not.

This poll strikes me as a setup for when he loses; it was racism. Not his marxist ideology and friends. Nope, we’re just racist. I’m not a racist, but I am anti-socialist/communist.

SoldiersMom on September 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM

While I’m certain racism will have some relevance to this election, more relevance ought to be accorded to people having the ability to see through the smoke and mirrors that are the cornerstone of Obama’s “qualifications”. Having said that- I’m with Geraldine Ferraro when she said, “If he were a white man, he wouldn’t even BE in the race”

anniekc on September 20, 2008 at 6:01 PM

Running against a Republican, yes thats the trend. But what about when he was running against Clinton? They had the same agenda’s, but Obama got plus 90% of the vote then too.

They were not seriously considering him (if I remember the polls) until the white voters of Iowa(?) made him a serious contender.

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 6:02 PM

<blockquote>”Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t 90% of blacks vote Democrat in any case?” - aengus on September 20, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Aengus, since Hillary and John Edwards (among other whites) were in the primary race, and (correct me if I’m wrong…) blacks still voted 90%+ for Zerobama, I consider “the black vote” racist.

All differing opinions welcome.

Lockstein13 on September 20, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Mojave Mark-

Seriously. Obama should be known as the O.J. candidate

anniekc on September 20, 2008 at 6:04 PM

I have met many college students and irresponsible pot smoking adults who are voting for Obama BECAUSE he is black AND they hate George Bush.

Their hatred for Bush is unbounded but they are unable to articulate the precise reasons for their so called opinions.

winemkr on September 20, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Same here. Many of the O-folks I talk to have zero information about either candidate. Their reason for voting democrat is only because they “hate Bush” or think it’s time for a black president. Most can’t even say why they hate Bush.

As far as intimidating voters, it’s the opposite in my neighborhood. Plenty of Obama signs and hardly any McCain signs. There are many McCain supporters, but they are afraid to show it for fear the will be labeled a racist.

dinobalz on September 20, 2008 at 6:04 PM

Obama is Arab/Caucasian because his father was an Arab

Nope

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 6:04 PM

We have a neighborhood by-law that doesn’t allow signs until three weeks prior to the election-

can’t wait to see who’ll be for either candidate. ten bucks says my McCain sign lasts a day. maybe.

anniekc on September 20, 2008 at 6:06 PM

Furthermore, another characteristic listed is not very specific, so it could be interpreted as a negative stereotype against the elderly: “Out of touch.” If the phrase was more specific, such as “Out of touch with people like me,” it would get more at either elitism or racism. As stated, it could be thought of as “Out of touch with reality,” i.e. senility.

Maybe we could turn that around by saying John McCain is out of touch with domestic terrorists.

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:06 PM

Maybe we could turn that around by saying John McCain is out of touch with domestic terrorists.

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:06 PM

That would be clever, funny, and memorable.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 6:08 PM

Hey, I don’t care why people aren’t voting for him, I’m just glad they’re not.

This poll strikes me as a setup for when he loses; it was racism. Not his marxist ideology and friends. Nope, we’re just racist. I’m not a racist, but I am anti-socialist/communist.

SoldiersMom on September 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM

amen to that. And still every time he wants to change the subject, just yell race and the media from one end to the other are sure to “probe the issue” again. Meanwhile he wins the momen, while everyone examines a non issue. Race is a human issue, not just an American one. PLEASE! When he baits, ignore him! And thx for your child’s service to what’s left of my country. They are hero’s all.

Ozprey on September 20, 2008 at 6:08 PM

I’m curious as to what folks here think about these thoughts from Voddie Baucham’s blog. Here’s a portion:
“Better yet, what do you think will happen the next time the Democrats or the Republicans put up an all white male ticket? To the Dems it will mean ‘We’ve taken a step backward.’ To the Republicans it will mean ‘We didn’t really mean it in ’08.’ From now on national politics will look like the nightly news. There will be male/female teams and black/white teams, not because of the quality or qualifications of the individuals involved, but for fear of being called sexist, racist, or fascist (or for fear that the other guys will have a minority or woman trump card). People are already arguing that Obama missed a chance to ‘cancel out’ the Palin pick with Senator Clinton! Welcome to Antonio Gramsci’s beloved cultural hegemony.”

Send_Me on September 20, 2008 at 6:11 PM

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Aengus, since Hillary and John Edwards (among other whites) were in the primary race, and (correct me if I’m wrong…) blacks still voted 90%+ for Zerobama, I consider “the black vote” racist.

All differing opinions welcome.

Lockstein13 on September 20, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Thanks for replying.

I think the Democrats wanted to rid themselves of the Clintons. John Edwards doesn’t count cause hes a loser.

In terms of electoral trends the Dems tend to go for bright new unknowns (Carter, Dukakis, Billy Jeff) as a rule whereas the Repubs tend to give everyone who was been around for a while their shot at the nomination (Reagan, Bush, Dole, McCain).*

* Not an original thought. I read it in a Mark Steyn column which I cannot find on the web atm.

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Oh Elizabetty! You are funnnnnneeeeee!

He does have a girlie walk, and nothing came out smoother than his, “Sweetie” to that reporter. Me thinks condescending sexism is a way of life for old Bar’.

anniekc on September 20, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:50 PM

I would love to believe, too, but if forced to put my life savings on the line, I wouldn’t take the hard odds.

I tend to lean on timeless colloquialisms like “blood is thicker than water”, believing that sayings like these aren’t fantasy, but time tested wisdom.

Do you remember Armstrong Williams’ making the point?

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 6:18 PM

I have a hard time getting into this. I don’t care what color skin a candidate has. I won’t vote for him or her if his or her views don’t closely align with mine. I had a hard enough time talking myself into supporting McCain.

Ok. Here’s one. What would happen if 4 years from now, someone like Michael Steele ran against Bobby Jindal? How do you think that would play out using some of the questions in this survey? And to play it one further, what would happen if it ended up Hillary vs Steele? Would we even have a survey like this?

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:20 PM

AP:

Depressing,

I feel fine.

Stephen M on September 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM

But Blacks voting for Obama because he is Black isn’t Racist? More PC BS.

bill30097 on September 20, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Begs another question… what if the Republicans ran a black candidate. Would we end up with the same sort of attacks like Clarence Thomas like we’re having on Palin now?

Would the press see negative black viewpoints as a racism issue, or a “rightly decided issue of leftist ideology over race?”

Black, but not the “right kind” of black?
Woman, but not the “right kind” of woman?

Skywise on September 20, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Ok. Here’s one. What would happen if 4 years from now, someone like Michael Steele ran against Bobby Jindal? How do you think that would play out using some of the questions in this survey? And to play it one further, what would happen if it ended up Hillary vs Steele? Would we even have a survey like this? – Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Both are Republicans, so they’d be running against each other in the primaries. There would be all kinds of partisan rancor like there was in the past primary. Then a candidate would be chosen and the party would close ranks. If it was Steele, Republicans would be in the delicious position to call Democrats the “R” word.

ManlyRash on September 20, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Skywise on September 20, 2008 at 6:25 PM

See my post just a few above yours.

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:27 PM

The racism fire keeps being stoked by those who are probably guilty of projection. Around Midnight November 4th in the East, about the time the networks project McCain the winner, it will be 9:00 pm in Watts and Compton. Think about it.

Pelayo on September 20, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:20 PM

You didn’t like my scenario?

Steele/West vs. Hillary/Edwards

If you were to place a bet, with your life savings, do you think blacks would vote 90% Democrat in this hypothetical race?

Here, let me be the first.

No.

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 6:28 PM

I have met many college students and irresponsible pot smoking adults who are voting for Obama BECAUSE he is black AND they hate George Bush.

Their hatred for Bush is unbounded but they are unable to articulate the precise reasons for their so called opinions.

winemkr on September 20, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Don’t youo folks know a propaganda campaign when you see one? And it started long before GWB took office.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:28 PM

Begs another question… what if the Republicans ran a black candidate. Would we end up with the same sort of attacks like Clarence Thomas like we’re having on Palin now?

Skywise on September 20, 2008 at 6:25 PM

It will be much worse. Look at what they did to Michael Steele in MD. It will be more than a “high-tech lynching.”

They will demand his head on a platter. They will harass and intimidate his family and friends. They will take everything he has and then some.

We’re talking thugs here.

newton on September 20, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 6:28 PM

Hmmmmm…. ;)

Who’s West? I’m drawing a blank.

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:30 PM

not voting for Ubama = Racism

SaintOlaf on September 20, 2008 at 6:30 PM

There are racists in every race. I am tired of people only polling Whites as if that is the only race that harbors racism.

jencab on September 20, 2008 at 5:39 PM

The white Dems are being polled because their votes will make a difference, whereas the black Dem vote will not. Don’t fall into the same trap that the Dems have fallen into.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Maybe we could turn that around by saying John McCain is out of touch with domestic terrorists.

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:06 PM

That would be clever, funny, and memorable.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 6:08 PM

Or Corrupt Slumlords, or racist Pastors, Crazy Catholic Priests, Islamic Radical Leaders, or Iraqi Baathists Billionaires Financiers..(His bank, Tied to the corrupt Oil For Food Program, also Tied to the Lehman Brothers collapse, this guy is linked to Rezko-Obama), very close ties to people in the Freddie and Fannie collapse, linked to the people in Lehman Brothers collapse..

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Begs another question… what if the Republicans ran a black candidate. Would we end up with the same sort of attacks like Clarence Thomas like we’re having on Palin now?

Would the press see negative black viewpoints as a racism issue, or a “rightly decided issue of leftist ideology over race?”

Black, but not the “right kind” of black?
Woman, but not the “right kind” of woman?

Skywise on September 20, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Yup.

Yup.

Yup.

And, obviously Yup.

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Are blacks any less prejudiced against whites than Republicans are against Democrats?

The Race Card on September 20, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Being a Democrat is not a genetic condition.

Neither is being prejudiced.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM

That’s all fine and well. And I am not implying this was your point, but it’s a fair thing to consider when a candidate or surrogates claim those who don’t vote for him regardless of reason is doing with a racist heart.

Hog Wild on September 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM

The white Dems are being polled because their votes will make a difference, whereas the black Dem vote will not.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Great point…

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Yeah, I had a spat with a black guy once over his vehement claims that Clarence Thomas isn’t really black, and it was like talking to someone who insisted the the earth is flat. It was surreal.

Akzed on September 20, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Fruit of the successful campaign.

93% block voting among a particular demographic….yeah it’s a one way street alright….

sven10077 on September 20, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Don’t forget: 89% of black voters voted for Kerry in 2004.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Yes, I understand the argument, I’m just saying that examples seem to me to be a discarding of such as not authentic.

Hog Wild on September 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM

No argument from me.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Obama is Arab/Caucasian because his father was an Arab & his mother was a white radical.

Did anyone bother to find out if Democrats have a problem with voting for a guy that is 50% white, 44% Arab and 6% black?

More worthless polling information.

Dorvillian on September 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Does the man in this photo look like an Arab to you? Enough with the made up race-baiting.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Sorry. I really admire this guy, so maybe it was a bad choice due to his name recognition. Unfortunately, the only reason it’s coming up is this discussion about racism. I like this guy like a like Palin. Authenticity.

Allen West for Congress

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Don’t forget: 89% of black voters voted for Kerry in 2004.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:35 PM

So anything that Obama gets over that are racist? Including IF the turnout is Higher.

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 6:41 PM

The Only Polls That Count

Historical Election Results

1968 Nixon versus Humphrey – Popular 43.4%, Electoral 55.9%
George Wallace took 13.5% of the popular vote
George Wallace took 8.6% of the electoral vote
Wallace support was mostly southern Democrats.
1972 Nixon versus McGovern – Popular 60.7%, Electoral 96.7%
Nixon was getting us out of Viet Nam (Democrat war)
1976 Carter versus Ford (RINO) – Popular 50.1%, Electoral 55.2%
(was really Carter versus Watergate)
1980 Reagan versus Carter – Popular 50.75%, Electoral 90.9%
John Anderson took 6.6% of the popular vote from Carter
1984 Reagan versus Mondale – Popular 58.8%, Electoral 97.6%
Straight up conservative versus liberal fits question D-3
1988 Bush (RINO) versus Dukakis – Popular 53.4%, Electoral 79.2%
Ron Paul ran and got 0.5% of the popular vote
1992 Clinton versus Bush (RINO) – Popular 43.0%, Electoral 68.8%
Bush lied on taxes. Perot took 18.9% of the popular vote
1996 Clinton versus Dole (RINO) – Popular 49.2%, Electoral 70.4%
Perot took 8.4% of the popular vote
2000 Bush (RINO) versus Gore – Popular 47.8%, Electoral 50.4%
Nader took 2.7% of the popular vote
Buchanan took 0.5 of the popular vote
2004 Bush (RINO) versus Kerry – Popular 50.7%, Electoral 53.2%
Nader took 0.4% of the popular vote
Badnarik took 0.3% of the popular vote

Here’s a couple of big “Ifs”. If there had been no Watergate, or, probably, if Ford hadn’t made the ‘Poland gaffe”, there would have been no Carter. If Bush (GHW) hadn’t lied about “no new taxes”, there would have been no Clinton. There would have been no Democrat from 1968 forward.

Baseball is a simple game, really. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. Politics is a simple game really. Honesty. Integrity. Conservative principles.

CC

CapedConservative on September 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM

You’re all lying to yourselves and in a heap of denial about the realities of race in your own party.

The Race Card on September 20, 2008 at 5:28 PM

No, you just want to believe it because somehow it makes you feel superior. It is the only point that you have made since you came to Hot Air. It is the point that you came here to make. I asked you before to offer some ideas or suggestions that would dispel the idea that Republicans are racist and you have not offered one. Zilch. Nada.

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Does the man in this photo look like an Arab to you? Enough with the made up race-baiting.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM

NO, but he’s NOT a descendant of American slavery either.

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Allen West for Congress

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Thanks! I’ll check him out.

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Uh…people aren’t dumb. Every sane person knows that Jeremiah Wright represents Obama’s view. It is what it is.

SouthernGent on September 20, 2008 at 6:46 PM

Allen West for Congress

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 6:41 PM

I took a peek. I’m bookmarking! He looks good.

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM

Aengus, Thanks.

Who’s West? I’m drawing a blank.

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:30 PM

LTC Allen West, USA (ret.) I presume, running for a House seat in Fla. as a Republican. A Steele/West GOP ticket in the future? If only to see millions of Dem heads explode!

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:48 PM

NO, but he’s NOT a descendant of American slavery either.

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM

What’s that got to do with anything?

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:49 PM

I took a peek. I’m bookmarking! [West] looks good.

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM

He’s a hero.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

No, you just want to believe it because somehow it makes you feel superior. It is the only point that you have made since you came to Hot Air. It is the point that you came here to make. I asked you before to offer some ideas or suggestions that would dispel the idea that Republicans are racist and you have not offered one. Zilch. Nada.

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM

I’m so racist I wanted Condi Rice who blacks demonized…yeah “we” are the problem….

sven10077 on September 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Does the man in this photo look like an Arab to you? Enough with the made up race-baiting.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM

NO, but he’s NOT a descendant of American slavery either.

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Since i’m part American-Indian I have more of complaint than Obama does, since the “white man stole my land!” >:D

Obama got to go to the BEST SCHOOLS IN Hawaii! And The to Columbia and Harvard! I went to Public Schools!(my parents we poor!, I work, and my job paid for schooling “If i get B or better, which I did”)

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 6:51 PM

He’s a hero.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

The real deal. Uncommon spine.

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 6:53 PM

He’s a hero.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

It seems so and I really like what he has to say on the first page of his website.

P.S. Check your email and add me on facebook. :)

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:53 PM

What’s that got to do with anything?

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:49 PM

You don’t think that Obama’s using African-American’s past grievances about slavery to his advantage?

Come on!

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 6:53 PM

i have no problem voting for a black presidential candidate as long as he is conservative. if opposing obama’s socialistic leanings and total disdain for the life of the unborn makes me racist, so be it.

saltwaterron on September 20, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Who gives a crap about White racism. I’m more interested in Hispanic racism. From popular culture, you get the impression that hispanics don’t really like blacks, but the libtards are acting like they are all ready to vote Obama even though McCain is the biggest Mexico panderer we’ve ever nominated. Anyone have thoughts?

Speedwagon82 on September 20, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Since i’m part American-Indian I have more of complaint than Obama does, since the “white man stole my land!” >:D

Okay.

Obama got to go to the BEST SCHOOLS IN Hawaii! And The to Columbia and Harvard! I went to Public Schools!(my parents we poor!, I work, and my job paid for schooling “If i get B or better, which I did”)

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Join the club.

You don’t think that Obama’s using African-American’s past grievances about slavery to his advantage?

Come on!

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 6:53 PM

Try telling me your opinion without putting words in my mouth. It makes things easier.

Now. What does that have to do with the Arab-nonsense being floated about?

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM

What’s that got to do with anything?

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 6:49 PM

You don’t think that Obama’s using African-American’s past grievances about slavery to his advantage?

Come on!

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 6:53 PM

This is the Moment, for the African-American’s to JOIN TOGETHER AND COLLECTIVELY FORGIVE..

John McCain did it, to the people that brutally tortured him for 5 and 1/2 years, he FORGAVE THE VIETNAMESE and normalized relations with Vietnam and America, At the Republican convention you saw a woman that forgave the people for the Rwanda genocide..

You cannot get past the hate and anger, unless you let go and forgive..

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM

Palin-West 2012?

You know, I’m sick of this policy wonk BS about experience.

These two have very important qualities in leadership, character and authenticity. The fact that their resumes are lacking for Washington experience is only a plus in my book. I mean, really, the greatest figures in history were not saddled with the need to determine the nuances of OSHA requirements under which Amtrak subsidies are compromised when in committee during a mid term election when a certain judge is up for consideration just before August recess…gimme a friggin’ break!

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 7:05 PM

This is the Moment, for the African-American’s to JOIN TOGETHER AND COLLECTIVELY FORGIVE..

John McCain did it, to the people that brutally tortured him for 5 and 1/2 years, he FORGAVE THE VIETNAMESE and normalized relations with Vietnam and America, At the Republican convention you saw a woman that forgave the people for the Rwanda genocide..

You cannot get past the hate and anger, unless you let go and forgive..

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM

In my religion, guilt and redemption are personal, not collective. (Look to Black Liberation Theology for such a concept.) That’s why my Savior is referred to as a ‘Personal’ Savior.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 7:05 PM

Where Senator Obama is likely to stand on an issue can change readily as needed for the situation. Here is his heart and why he will lose:

“Clingers” comment to San Fran elites shows clear disdain for “regular Americans”

Vote to let babies born alive die while in the Il. Senate shows clear disdain for life.

He made $4.2 million last year and HIS OWN BROTHER lives off $12 a year in a shack shows clear disdain for family.

Those points alone should disqualify him from being a dog catcher.

CC

CapedConservative on September 20, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Clarity’s sake: BLT espouses the concept of collective guilt and innocence. IOW, it’s a Christ-coated theology.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Saltysam, I like Palin and McCain because they ain’t lawyers and have probably never set foot inside a law school.

Pelayo on September 20, 2008 at 7:08 PM

Where Senator Obama is likely to stand on an issue can change readily as needed for the situation.

Change personified. Marxism personified as well.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 7:10 PM

P.S. Check your email and add me on facebook. :)

Connie on September 20, 2008 at 6:53 PM

That’s you? Cool.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Race will play a role on both sides. 90+% of blacks are voting for Obama. That is clearly evidence they are voting becuase of race. Sorry, that is racism. It is also clear there remains an artifact of racial prejudice in the white population, obviously it is stronger in the older demographic, which is bad news for Obama, since the older demo votes with more frequency. The question is what is the value of the Bradley Effect? This suggests its 2.5%, I think it is higher.

For those whose obvious objective it is to elect a black president, they would have been much better off starting with a conservative, not the most liberal member of the Senate. We saw what happend to a WASP who was only the third most liberal member last time.

The sad thing is that blacks will feel cheated by racism due to the unprofessional biased news coverage of the American media. Who will be able to blame them for feeling that way after being innundated with coverage that considers the election a perfunctory step prior to the Obama coronation.

flyoverland on September 20, 2008 at 7:12 PM

Now. What does that have to do with the Arab-nonsense being floated about?

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM

The Arab thing is odd(mostly because of his name, which is really not that much to look into), what should be MORE of a problem is his connections to shady people like Rezko, Auchi,Ayres, Dohrn, Rev. Wright, Farrakhan why does he have all these ties?

Thats just a small list.. there are more.. WAY MORE.. he hasn’t been around that long, his associations make him look like a “sleeper cell”, was he educated in a foreigh country? **Check**, does he get money from foreign entities? **Check** Has he ever exposed any corruption? **NO*** not from his name, but from the friends that he choose to hang out with! LMAO.

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 7:12 PM

I can give you the Long Answer, but here’s the Short one:

This poll, or any poll which purports to be ble to measure ‘unconscious racism’ as a causal factor, is sh+t

Janos Hunyadi on September 20, 2008 at 7:14 PM

In my religion, guilt and redemption are personal, not collective. (Look to Black Liberation Theology for such a concept.) That’s why my Savior is referred to as a ‘Personal’ Savior.

baldilocks on September 20, 2008 at 7:05 PM

why is America blamed, to this day?

When America Gave him, and you so much?

Do Obama supporters what Reparations for Slavery?

Maybe that question needs to be asked, has he ever been asked it?

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 7:16 PM

And another thing

To all you Democrats:

President Bill Clinton, your absolute fav, says this about Palin:

“She’s an instinctively effective candidate and with a compelling story…

…It’s a mistake to underestimate her. She’s got good intuitive skills. They’re significant.”

Is he lying? Or is she qualified?

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Why does no one make hay over the fact that there is a great deal of empirical evidence that black voters are voting for Obama simply because he is black? Isn’t that the same thing? They did not vote for Hillary, who had essentially the same stands on the issues as Obama, strictly on racial grounds. Why no analysis of that, and isn’t it just as pernicious?

docweasel on September 20, 2008 at 7:18 PM

I have a little aunt in her 80’s born in rural southeast Virginia. She ALWAYS voted democratic, because her family always did. She would complain about all the liberal stuff going on but she didn’t want to hear it if you showed her where it was coming from. I think Ms. Lewinski was the determining factor of her first Republican vote. I don’t know how mad she is at W but I can guarantee that this is not the year she will revert back to voting for Democrats. Being white I obviously don’t see a lot of blatant racism but the one time I did it was by little old white ladies. And I am shamed to tell you it was directed a little black girls at a public restroom on a school field trip. I tend to give oldsters a break but not when it comes to kids. Luckily the little ones didn’t have a clue.

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Racism will cost him the election? This is just like that MTV host who said anyone doesn’t vote Obama is racist. Do his policies suck? Is he completely unqualified? Just more racist questions, I guess.

I can think of several more qualified people. What about Alan Keyes? What about JC Watts ? Or even Colin Powell? I guess they are all ‘Uncle Toms’ and disqualified.

TechieNotTrekkie on September 20, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Why does no one make hay over the fact that there is a great deal of empirical evidence that black voters are voting for Obama simply because he is black? Isn’t that the same thing? They did not vote for Hillary, who had essentially the same stands on the issues as Obama, strictly on racial grounds. Why no analysis of that, and isn’t it just as pernicious?

docweasel on September 20, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Not only basically the the same stands, BUT Hillary was MORE Qualified, she had MORE Experience!

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Why doesn’t his liberalism cost Obama the election?

According to this poll, only 21% of Americans want a liberal President.

CIS12: Would you prefer that the next president be politically conservative, liberal, or moderate?
Wave 6
Conservative 30
Liberal 21
Moderate 47
Refused / Not Answered 2

In 2007, Obama had the most liberal voting record, to the left of the only declared Socialist in the Senate (Sanders). So, how can it be that only 26% of respondents in this poll think Obama is extremely liberal?

Question CIS13: How liberal, moderate, or conservative do you think Obama is?

Extremely conservative 1
Moderately conservative 4
Slightly conservative 5
Moderate 24
Slightly liberal 14
Moderately liberal 23
Extremely liberal 26
Refused / Not Answered 2

I assume the answer is that the MSM is hiding the fact that Obama is extremely liberal. McCain/Palin need to better inform the public of this.

Loxodonta on September 20, 2008 at 7:22 PM

This must be true since 2 Obama supporters in Ohio said:

“Down here, Friday afternoon is when you wash the sheets. Saturday is when you hang them out. Sunday is when you wear them,” he said.

From an article on an Ohio poll that shows McCain up +6.

I’m glad the journalist verified there were white sheets with eye holes hanging on clothes lines since it’s Saturday and all. :rolleyes:

SouthernGent on September 20, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Colin Powell is a serious man with a track record. He respects his country and does not hang out with celebrities and terrorists.

I don’t think the problem is just that Obama is black, it is whole Black Liberation thing. People like Wright piss white people off. He should piss black people off too, because he is a demagogue exploiting them for personal gain and fame.

Terrye on September 20, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Hey baldi,

BLT espouses the concept of collective guilt and innocence.

Everytime I down a bacon, lettuce and tomato sub and the calories pile on I feel incredibly guilty.

/kidding of course :)

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Begs another question… what if the Republicans ran a black candidate. Would we end up with the same sort of attacks like Clarence Thomas like we’re having on Palin now?

Skywise on September 20, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Sure would. Larry Elder published a column a little while ago in which he quoted excerpts (the few printable ones) from some of the hate mail he regularly receives from other blacks — accusing him of being a race traitor and an Uncle Tom (and worse) just because Elder dares to be a conservative. It’s the same type of crap all the Lefty females are slinging at Palin now. If you dare to differ from the party line, then you’re not a “real” black or a “real” woman. It’s pathetic.

AZCoyote on September 20, 2008 at 7:28 PM

I can think of several more qualified people. What about Alan Keyes? What about JC Watts ? Or even Colin Powell? I guess they are all ‘Uncle Toms’ and disqualified.

TechieNotTrekkie on September 20, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Michael Steele(Maybe In a few years, he’s not ready now)

Condi Rice(She would be better than Obama, Although I think the liberal State Department can ruin ANYONE’s career.. It’s a liberal place, that Department needs to have lots of liberals fired, to much whining going on over there)

Colin Powell(I like him he’s a good guy, Again the liberal State Department, may have ruined his career..)

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Is he lying? Or is she qualified? – Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Perhaps he’s hitting on her.

ManlyRash on September 20, 2008 at 7:32 PM

A survey is a measuring device. It measures intensity it can not prejudice. This is the absolute dumbest survey I have ever seen or heard of in my lifetime.

Jdripper on September 20, 2008 at 7:33 PM

I assume the answer is that the MSM is hiding the fact that Obama is extremely liberal. McCain/Palin need to better inform the public of this.

Loxodonta on September 20, 2008 at 7:22 PM

They should run a poll question, “Do you know that Obama was ranked by a bi-partisan group as being the #1 Most Extreme liberal Senator in the United States?”

Yes
No

LMAO

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Loxodonta on September 20, 2008 at 7:22 PM

I think we would probably be very sad at what “they” consider moderate.

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM

From popular culture, you get the impression that hispanics don’t really like blacks, but the libtards are acting like they are all ready to vote Obama even though McCain is the biggest Mexico panderer we’ve ever nominated. Anyone have thoughts?

Speedwagon82 on September 20, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Most of the Hispanics who have come here in the last few decades are poor, and they have learned (from word of mouth in their communities but also from “community organizers”) that the Democratic party gives more government hand-outs than the Republicans. They are simply voting for what they see (or have been told) is in their economic interest.

AZCoyote on September 20, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Loxodonta on September 20, 2008 at 7:22 PM

I think we would probably be very sad at what “they” consider moderate.

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/693/republican-primary

Look at the picture Below, PAY ATTENTION TO THE TOP WERE IT SAY ALL VOTERS..

http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/693-7.gif

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 7:42 PM

AZCoyote on September 20, 2008 at 7:38 PM

There is a lot of animosity between the black and Hispanic communities, much of it deriving from gang friction. I have heard young male Hispanics say rather unflattering things about Obama.

Disturb the Universe on September 20, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Finally,the truth of the Liberal Party rears its ugly head!

And the light of truth is ever brighter,at full luminousity,
shining upon the Liberal Party!

canopfor on September 20, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 7:42 PM

Interesting, I actually feel a bit better. But you have to admit that it reinforces the fact that Dems are deluded. Holy cow!

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 7:34 PM

I doubt a poll would help, but I still think the public has a lot of misinformation & vague information about Obama, especially how extremely liberal his record & views are. Wouldn’t it increase the likelihood of a McCain victory if Americans were better informed about that?

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM

I understand that many American’s definition of a moderate is more liberal than mine. But it just so happens that McCain is more liberal than I would like on some issues. So . . .

Loxodonta on September 20, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Disturb the Universe on September 20, 2008 at 7:44 PM

What are the chances they vote? I have also heard that the gang situation is really bad, especially in L.A.

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Loxodonta on September 20, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Trust me, I relate.

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2008 at 7:52 PM

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