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AP poll: Racism among white Democrats could cost Obama the election

posted at 4:47 pm on September 20, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Depressing, especially since it’s based on a huge sample. The key, of course, is correlation: It’s not whether white Democrats have negative opinions about blacks that matters (for these purposes), it’s the extent to which those opinions influence how they’re voting. What the poll’s trying to do, in essence, is untangle racial prejudice from the knot of hundreds of other considerations that go into one’s choice. Whether that’s possible, particularly via an unusual methodology that attempts to account for unconscious racism — note the details about “affect misattribution” and lists of things people find “upsetting” — I leave to our statistician readers to decide. The gist:

More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can’t win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don’t have such views…

Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren’t voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn’t vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.

Not all whites are prejudiced. Indeed, more whites say good things about blacks than say bad things, the poll shows. And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.

On the other side of the racial question, the Illinois Democrat is drawing almost unanimous support from blacks, the poll shows, though that probably wouldn’t be enough to counter the negative effect of some whites’ views.

Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that…

Still, the effects of whites’ racial views are apparent in the polling.

Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama’s support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice.

There’s so much data to digest that I’m inclined to treat this as an open thread and let you guys mine the crosstabs in the comments. A few observations, though:

1. We already had a clue about this from the primaries, per the exit polls from Ohio. Fully 20 percent admitted race mattered to their vote; of those, almost 60 percent broke for Her Majesty. That jibes with what the AP found: “Among white Democrats, Clinton supporters were nearly twice as likely as Obama backers to say at least one negative adjective described blacks well, a finding that suggests many of her supporters in the primaries — particularly whites with high school education or less — were motivated in part by racial attitudes.”

2. Unless I’m missing something, the crosstabs don’t include data by party or, more importantly, data on white Democrats who are voting for Obama versus those who aren’t. For party results, you have to rely on the sidebar graphic that accompanies the article; white Republicans consistently score lower than white Democrats on racial questions, incidentally. The only data I can find on racial attitudes among white Democrats is in the scraps near the end of the interactive at-a-glance feature. There are some amazing gaps between white Dems who support Obama and those who don’t on certain racial questions — 30+ points in a few cases — but it’d be nice to compare their answers on all of them to see if the margins are huge across the board. If they’re not, it undermines the argument that racial attitudes are a significant contributing factor, or at least refines the question to ask which racial attitudes, specifically, are the killers.

3. Not all of the questions used as a gauge of negative racial attitudes unambiguously prove negative racial attitudes. E.g., “Agree or disagree: Irish, Italians, Jewish, and other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up, blacks should do the same without special favors.” Respondents could be interpreting “special favors” to mean affirmative action, in which case all they’re doing is answering whether they support AA. Is it racist not to do so? The nutroots would say yes, the rest of America wouldn’t.

4. I’ll quote Nate Silver for this one: “A related and unresolved question is how many persons will vote for Barack Obama because he is black. Such behavior would probably be more implicit and harder to ascertain than voting against a candidate because of racial prejudice. For instance, Obama’s biography is significantly more compelling because he is black (actually, bi-racial), and his change message is probably somewhat easier to sell because he looks different than other (e.g. white) politicians. If he were white, in other words, Barack Obama would not be Barack Obama. Moreover, there may be some people who explicitly vote for Obama because they think it will advance a goal of racial equality, present a different face to the world, and so forth. In the absence of sufficient detail on the study’s methodology, it is impossible to know whether these things have been accounted for.”

5. Related to the last point, not that it’s any comfort to Obama or any excuse for those who are voting for prejudiced reasons, per James Joyner there are worse liabilities to have as a candidate than the “wrong” race. Unfortunately, The One may be suffering on that account, too:

6. Finally, what do we make of this Rasmussen poll from last month? Obviously it’s not race per se that’s a dealbreaker or else McCain wouldn’t be getting his ass handed to him there. It’s the stereotypes associated with race, which Powell somehow transcends in ways that Obama evidently doesn’t. Is it his military record? Or his years of experience as SecState?

And with that, I hand the analytical baton to you.


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Democrats are the party of racism.

Maxx on September 20, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Did they ask Blacks if they harbor prejudices about Whites?

jgapinoy on September 20, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Allahpundit Chicago Tribune as moved or deleted this link/article..

Barack Obama: I trusted Rezko — chicagotribune.com

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obama-rezkomar15,0,848648.story

Trying to put his past with Antoin “Tony” Rezko behind him, presidential candidate Barack Obama on Friday said he never thought the nowindicted Chicago businessman would try to take advantage of him because his old friend had never asked for a political favor.

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM

how many persons will vote for Barack Obama because he is black.

Millions.
He has no other qualifications.

jgapinoy on September 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Allahpundit Chicago Tribune has moved or deleted this link/article..

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM

jgapinoy on September 20, 2008 at 4:50 PM

good question, but of course not…black can’t be racist…right. everybody says they want a ‘conversation’ about race, but when a racist attitude among a minority is pointed out, thats RACISM. this country will probably end up in a race war the way we are going…and we already see it in LA with the ethnic cleansing of blacks by hispanic gangs

right4life on September 20, 2008 at 4:53 PM

I think the Bradley Effect will vary state to state. It might be apparent in PA and OH but in NC there will be a huge black turnout which saw Obama get delegates above his poll numbers in the primaries.

lodge on September 20, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Not a single Muslim for McCain. Interesting.

sheesh on September 20, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Did they ask Blacks if they harbor prejudices about Whites?

jgapinoy on September 20, 2008 at 4:50 PM

That question is spot on.

sheesh on September 20, 2008 at 4:54 PM

OT: Jihad Prevention Act

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Democrats are the party of racism.

As I say, white Republicans scored lower than Democrats in racial stereotypes about blacks. At least address the data.

Not a single Muslim for McCain. Interesting.

Read the question again. It’s not a survey of which religious groups are voting for which candidate. It’s a survey of which religion people think each candidate belongs to. 14 percent think Obama’s a Muslim, zero percent think McCain is.

Allahpundit on September 20, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Also: Knock it off with off-topic comments.

Allahpundit on September 20, 2008 at 4:59 PM

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 4:56 PM

You would think that the ACLU would be all for the JiHAD Prevention ACT!

No Religion in Law. Right.

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Also: Knock it off with off-topic comments.

Sorry, Allahpundit.

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Also: Knock it off with off-topic comments.

Allahpundit on September 20, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Do you or Ed have an email address or a tip line?

sheesh.. so we don’t have to hijack a thread.. :{

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 5:01 PM

If he were white, in other words, Barack Obama would not be Barack Obama.

Let’s use some reverse logic on this. If one votes against Barack Obama as Barack Obama, is he’s voting against his blackness, and inherently would be considered a racist by this same poll? So perhaps the TIME morons are right, and we are all racists.

Aristotle on September 20, 2008 at 5:01 PM

I hope they do realize this poll means nothing in a society of political correctness

Sir Andrew on September 20, 2008 at 5:02 PM

So by doing this ’study’ the AP is still backing Obama. Oh, this is a ’serious’ intellectual study. Yeah, sure. I’ll believe that when they start polling blacks about why they’re supporting Obama. But then, that would be RACIST, wouldn’t it?

GarandFan on September 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Do you or Ed have an email address or a tip line?

Main page … tips@hotair.com

I wonder if I’ll get banned now …

darwin on September 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Yes. Most white Demoncrats hate themselves for not being black Demoncrats. They blame their mommies.

saved on September 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM

It is important for the media to make all people believe if Barack loses it is about race. I guess they are hoping for riots following his coming loss.

bopbottle on September 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM

I swear if someone calls me a racist for not voting for Barack, I will put my white fist up in that face and give theme a black eye, cause Im’ sick of it!

Mercy4Me on September 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Uh, Bradley Effect?

Weebork on September 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM

That’s kind of interesting. If I’m reading it right then, all the talk about racism in the campaign is a play on white liberal guilt. I’m not attributing racism to the province of the left, merely saying that if the study acknowledges that the right isn’t voting democratic regardless, then the repetition of super-secret decoder-ring racist undertones in the McCain camp is really aimed at Democrats who might vote McCain.

If that is the case, that election play is heavily based on anti-Republican wind to carry BO into office. Meaning, that strategy would have to be based on the assumption that party affiliation and likely voters are skewed Democratic. Assuming, of course, Axelrod and co knew all those numbers going in.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:05 PM

And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.

That’s because Obama is not a “real” African-American in most peoples’ minds.

m064404 on September 20, 2008 at 5:05 PM

if the anointed one does lose the election, expect race riots, and cries of racism echoing across the land.

right4life on September 20, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Not surprising, even the unions are fearful of their own members.

Racial prejudice is being cited among senior union leaders to explain Sen. Barack Obama’s difficulty in winning over support from white rank-and-file members.
Obama (D-Ill.) is counting on organized labor to help win him key electoral votes in Ohio, Michigan and other battleground states.

Karen Ackerman, political director for the AFL-CIO, acknowledged that Obama’s race is an important factor for some union members.

“This race is very complicated because there is an African-American candidate for president,” said Ackerman. “We feel there is a racial component for some union members, but we’re confident we can overcome that.”

Some in the labor movement say that Obama’s race has made it difficult for a significant number of union members to support him over Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the presumptive GOP nominee.

Ripclawe on September 20, 2008 at 5:06 PM

That also would support the necessity of casting McCain as Bush III, which I thought was futile, but which they are very committed too.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:06 PM

On the other side of the racial question, the Illinois Democrat is drawing almost unanimous support from blacks, the poll shows, though that probably wouldn’t be enough to counter the negative effect of some whites’ views.

No one considers this to be racist? If the black vote split in some way that could show that blacks are NOT going to vote Obama simply because he was black (well, nearly) then this election would have little to do with what could be considered a racial tone. We’re years, maybe decades, away form that.

Onager on September 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Interestingly, 40% of the people consider themselves moderate. McCain is in a much better position to attract that vote.

Sir Andrew on September 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM

darwin on September 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Hope nobody hacks it. doh..

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM

“A related and unresolved question is how many persons will vote for Barack Obama because he is black.

Assuming most Blacks will vote for The One, this is where the pro-aborts have to deal with unintended consequences. Since Roe v Wade, a much higher ratio of Black children have been aborted than White or Hispanic. Presumably, many of those would be over 18 now would be voting for Obama. The Black demographic has seen decline, and this is one time it may be a factor.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on September 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM

black eye

Racist!

fourstringfuror on September 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Without racism and class envy the democrats would not exist. The hate-o-meter hasn’t even begun to see the hate that is coming until the election. When they accuse their own party of racism, the desperation will increase to levels of hatred that have never been seen. This is only the start.

volsense on September 20, 2008 at 5:08 PM

What about Blacks who are voting for Bambi just because he’s black? Are they racist too?

Yea didn’t think so

staedtler on September 20, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Yeah, sure. I’ll believe that when they start polling blacks about why they’re supporting Obama.

You know people have been saying that a lot lately – that 90% of blacks support Obama and that proves they are racist. Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t 90% of blacks vote Democrat in any case?

I would like to see a poll asking blacks if they would vote for a black conservative Republican. If the poll numbers ran 90% against I would be satisfied theres no overt racial animus involved. If it was something like 60% in favour then I would be suspicious something was afoot.

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Had a very interesting discussion with a family member yesterday. He seemed incapable of grasping the concept that voting for Obama because he is black is equally as racist as voting against Obama because he is black.

As Silver stated, we really need that element of the survey to fully round out the study.

On a tangent, check this analysis of polling data at Wizbang.com (hat tip to Instapundit).

Barack has run his campaign largely on the premise that if he acts presidential people will see him as presidential. Could this be affecting polling as well? If they project him to be the front-runner will more people vote for him because they want to be associated with the winner?

Personally, I think some of the pollsters have been doing that for the last two presidential cycles, but it doesn’t appear to be working. Or have they made the contests closer than they should have been?

Just some thoughts on a rainy Saturday afternoon…

Ace ODale on September 20, 2008 at 5:09 PM

What about Blacks who are voting for Bambi just because he’s black? Are they racist too?

Yes.

fourstringfuror on September 20, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Did they ask Blacks if they harbor prejudices about Whites?

Victims are allowed to be prejudiced against their oppressors…

CliffHanger on September 20, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Lefty blogs are saying there will be a REVERSE Bradley Effect! LOL

They apparently think that so many whites have to pretend to be racist in public in order to fit in.

Speedwagon82 on September 20, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Racism among white Democrats? That can’t possibly be!

Is unconscious racism anything like false consciousness?

jgapinoy on September 20, 2008 at 4:50 PM asks a telling question:

Did they ask Blacks if they harbor prejudices about Whites?

What better race relations requires is more honesty and bona fides, and less kumbaya.

petefrt on September 20, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Sweet Bejeebars I am getting sick of polls!
Every single day their is a new poll result.
Poll overload disorder….
Bring on the debates so we can actually measure the candidates against each other!

redshirt on September 20, 2008 at 5:10 PM

I’m not really sure how to stay on topic. That survey is so convoluted it ends up making no points whatsever.

Squiggy on September 20, 2008 at 5:10 PM

I will constantly stand by the fact that the One’s biggest problem is not the color of his skin, it is that he is too flipping liberal. He is a socialist with an agenda to lead his followers to believe that he will line their pockets with gold taken from the evil rich. There will be health care, higher learning and homes for everyone. If you are in the right tax bracket…be ready for a lower standard of living. Oh, and don’t forget that community service. It is mandatory that you volunteer.

mindhacker on September 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM

I would like to see a poll asking blacks if they would vote for a black conservative Republican. If the poll numbers ran 90% against I would be satisfied theres no overt racial animus involved. If it was something like 60% in favour then I would be suspicious something was afoot.

Yeah. Considering their voting trends usually, I don’t see black support for Obama to be racism.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Victims are allowed encouraged to be prejudiced against their oppressors…

That’s probably a bit more accurate.

CliffHanger on September 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM

If you agree with one negative adjective about blacks, you’re racist? So, unless you think Blacks are perfect in every way, you’re a racist. (That’s accepting the ridiculous premise that one could agree or disagree with an adjective as descriptive of milions of different people.)

boko fittleworth on September 20, 2008 at 5:12 PM

They apparently think that so many whites have to pretend to be racist in public in order to fit in.

Speedwagon82 on September 20, 2008 at 5:09 PM

I think they lack a sense of humor, so they read Ace and think, when he is being humorous or ironic, that he is handing out talking points.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Did they ask Blacks if they harbor prejudices about Whites?

jgapinoy on September 20, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Did they ask Blacks if they harbor prejudices about Sarah Palin?

Seven Percent Solution on September 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Interestingly, 40% of the people consider themselves moderate. McCain is in a much better position to attract that vote.

Sir Andrew on September 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/693/republican-primary

————–

Look AT THIS PICTURE BELOW Look at the TOP ONE ALL VOTERS!

http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/693-7.gif

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 5:14 PM

because his old friend had never asked for a political favor.

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM

“O” claiming that because it was “O” asking all of the political favors. Rezco didn’t NEED to ask a favor from “O” since “O” was already up to no good, and didn’t need any nudging from Rezco.

Sound about right for the “depends on what is is” convolution?

maverick muse on September 20, 2008 at 5:14 PM

The emphasis on racial identity promoted by the vast majority of liberals who dominate school boards, faculties, and the media correlates to a general mindset that compartmentalizes race via specific collective behaviors. The alleged bad behaviors of blacks are blamed on racism whereas the bad behaviors of whites are merely blamed on evil or deficiencies (racism, stupidity, addiction etc.).

Blacks apparently possess an external locus of control whereas white possess an internal one.

In other words, if your white and you’re unsuccessful, you’re a loser. If you’re black and unsuccessful, you’re a victim of racism.

Good job, liberals; you’ve really helped blacks a whole lot.

And I’ll even say that Dems/lefties have just as many racial prejudices, if not more, than Republicans/righties. It’s just that Dems are less likely to be honest about them in a survey. And since they are more racially minded, they project that everybody else is too.

So, now that racism is illegal in all outward forms, I guess it’s time to ferret out the invisible racism that may or may not exist in the minds of voters.

And if we can’t find it, gosh darn it, we’ll come up with something!

Metro on September 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Victims Victicrats are allowed encouraged required to be prejudiced against their oppressors…

That’s probably a bit more accurate.

CliffHanger on September 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Even more accurate.

Disturb the Universe on September 20, 2008 at 5:16 PM

I’m white woman but not voting for Obama because of his socialist views and his lack of knowledge on what to do. He is no better then his friends Pelosi and Reid skipping town not knowing what to do about our economic turmoil we are going through. He says he has a plan but yet he wont discuss his plan, he needs to decide which side of the fence he wants to be on. Either tell us what you intend to do as president or be honest and tell us you have no idea what to do.

I believe in less government, less taxes and personal responsibility.

I believe there is more racism on the other side as 90% of blacks are voting for Obama becasue he is… surprise… black.

BTW:
I am still waiting to see the Annenburg Files and his transcripts from Columbia.

Robyn S on September 20, 2008 at 5:17 PM

The poll questions were ridiculous. It’s a little disappointing that so many people responded to the questions at all. It was an exercise in stereotyping – including the people who felt the need to answer in the positive for questions like “black people” are “friendly” or “hard working” etc. Really? Like any other group, some people are and some aren’t.

The poll is a big steaming pile. If it proves anything, it’s that quite a few people tried to answer stupid questions instead of telling the pollster to go pound sand.

forest on September 20, 2008 at 5:17 PM

if the anointed one does lose the election, expect race riots, and cries of racism echoing across the land.

right4life on September 20, 2008 at 5:05 PM

..and McCain’s inaugural address to be more “conciliatory” i.e. cringeworthy than Bush’s in 2001.

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Oops, sorry Allah. Next time I will either read or watch the ND game, not both.

sheesh on September 20, 2008 at 5:18 PM

this poll is part of the Dem narrative trying to guilt trip people into voting Obama

jp on September 20, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Rudy needs to be out of the Campaign Trail, NOW More than EVER..

He has faced horrible problems in NY City with Horrible Deficits, Horrible Crime and Murder, and Solved them ALL..(By Cutting Taxes, and by Actually making the system work, real Reforms, and doing it IN the MOST Liberal Place in the WORLD! NY CITY!)

If I were McCain I would get Rudy up and out talking..

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Interesting info.
It’s from January.
Would there be significant differences if gathered today?

maverick muse on September 20, 2008 at 5:20 PM

I’ve worked in the construction industry most of my life.

This is just anecdotal, but if I had a nickel for every Democrat that was blatantly racist in their attitudes, I’d have a hefty hunk of change indeed.

Nothing here surprises me in the slightest.

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 5:21 PM

To coin a phrase, “by any means necessary….”

Not that I’m racist or advocate racism, but if people do not see this man as the nebbish Marxist he is, then I’ll be estatic if he just loses, period.

J.J. Sefton on September 20, 2008 at 5:21 PM

If I were McCain I would get Rudy up and out talking..

Chakra Hammer on September 20, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Rudy! absolutely performed the best for the crowd at the Convention via airwaves across the nation.

There’s no better POLITICIAN than Rudy!
I dare say.

maverick muse on September 20, 2008 at 5:22 PM

I quite frankly don’t care why this Marxist, black activist looses as long as he looses. I don’t believe this great country can afford his liberal policies and transfer of wealth. Hes’ ignorant, unqualified, racist and dangerous.

dhunter on September 20, 2008 at 5:23 PM

This is funny.

Democrats, racists?

I’m laughing my a** off.

madmonkphotog on September 20, 2008 at 5:24 PM

THIS Black man and his wife have not done a tremendous amount of outreach to white Democrats. They have knocked their way of life and called the backwards every chance they got.

Of course they did it in “Code” language which the press can only detect when it is being used against the Obamas.

Elizabetty on September 20, 2008 at 5:24 PM

The data is fascinating, but we’re just not going to know what’s in people’s hearts and minds (consciously and unconsciously). As a woman, I was kind of psyched to see Sen. Clinton do well although Hell would have frozen over before she got my vote. As an American, I was kind of psyched to see a black candidate get a major party nomination without campaigning as a racial demagogue although again, I didn’t feel he was qualified to be president. One day a black American will be president, and I hope it’s someone that I can respect as a qualified candidate as well as a skillful politician.

Jill1066 on September 20, 2008 at 5:26 PM

I would like to see a poll asking blacks if they would vote for a black conservative Republican. If the poll numbers ran 90% against I would be satisfied theres no overt racial animus involved. If it was something like 60% in favour then I would be suspicious something was afoot.

Yeah. Considering their voting trends usually, I don’t see black support for Obama to be racism.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM

That’s very interesting. And you are logically correct. But if they are supporting a particularly black philosophy that is embodied in the candidate, then I think you would still be wrong, and that the support would be racially based. This is, in fact, what I believe.

JiangxiDad on September 20, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Did they ask Blacks if they harbor prejudices about Whites?

jgapinoy on September 20, 2008 at 4:50 PM

According to many, it’s a given that blacks harbor such ill will. What do you think? You feel loved?

Are blacks any less prejudiced against whites than Republicans are against Democrats?

If blacks are the most racist group in this country, ask yourself “why?” Do you believe it’s biological, sociological or is it “just a black thing?”

Every time racism is brought up I hear two responses, the one from Democrats and the one from Republicans. You’re all lying to yourselves and in a heap of denial about the realities of race in your own party.

Republicans are a little better on race but only historically speaking. Contemporarily we are just as f*cked as the left. I hear Republicans whine JUST AS MUCH if not more about racial double standards.

exit question: If it it’s annoying and overreaching when Dems do it, what is it when Republicans do it? it = whining about rac, racism, reverse-racism and racists in the other party.

The Race Card on September 20, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Democrats don’t know how to mask their racism as well as Republicans. They get so used to being the party of righteousness they forget to act that way.

The Race Card on September 20, 2008 at 5:29 PM

To coin a phrase, “by any means necessary….”

Not that I’m racist or advocate racism, but if people do not see this man as the nebbish Marxist he is, then I’ll be estatic if he just loses, period.

J.J. Sefton on September 20, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I agree.

People are allowed to vote FOR or AGAINST candidates for whatever reason they chose. I hope there are people out there who vote against him due to his big ears, girlie walk, funny bike helmet or Arugula based salads.

Elizabetty on September 20, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Robert Byrd, congressional kleagle.

The Race Card on September 20, 2008 at 5:30 PM

JiangxiDad on September 20, 2008 at 5:27 PM

I have no argument with that.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I looked at this quite early this morning. The most significant thing I saw glaring at me from the graphic are how the green block – white independents and red block – white Republicans could almost be considered the same group. They are almost in lock-step up and down the scale. When you combine those two blocks, it seems a pretty solid confirmation of the “D-3″ battleground poll question where some 60%+ of people consider themselves conservative or somewhat conservative.

There is also a pretty wide separation between those blocks and the blue block (white Democrats). That makes white Democrats the outlier of the poll.

CC

CapedConservative on September 20, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I have met many college students and irresponsible pot smoking adults who are voting for Obama BECAUSE he is black AND they hate George Bush.

Their hatred for Bush is unbounded but they are unable to articulate the precise reasons for their so called opinions.

winemkr on September 20, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I don’t care what it’s called I’m just voting against Barry in November and hoping like crazy that he doesn’t get elected.

UnEasyRider on September 20, 2008 at 5:33 PM

I think these polls are targeted for Undecided voters to consume, make them feel sorry for Obama over race and guilt trip them into voting for him. To go along with this, will be to continue the cries of racism by Obama.

jp on September 20, 2008 at 5:34 PM

I hate Democrats. It’s just a coincidence that many of them happen to be black.

Ronnie on September 20, 2008 at 5:36 PM

The whole notion of racism in this election is a DEMOCRAT PROBLEM!

Conservatives do not even have to get to the racism question and I think it is misleading to attribute racism to Conservatives.

Example: If obama was white would conservatives change their minds and embrace socialism cause it sounds great from a teleprompter pro? I kinda doubt it. Barack’s skin color has nothing to do with why conservatives and republicans would never vote for him.

If there is racism in this election it is dem’s who would vote for a white obama but not a black obama.

America1st on September 20, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Democrats don’t know how to mask their racism as well as Republicans.

Don’t confuse despising a group of people for their politics with hating them because of skin color.

Most black people make the country worse, as do most Jews and other minorities, because of who they vote for, and the resultant policies.

JiangxiDad on September 20, 2008 at 5:38 PM

“How to lie with statistics 101″

Even the words and associations they used to judge “unconscious racism” are based on a personal judgement of the poll designers.

Sorry, I don’t buy it. They created a poll to specification to support an agenda.

rsb1 on September 20, 2008 at 5:38 PM

All this is is setting up the argument among democrats that if you are a democrat, and you do not vote for Obama, it’s not because of issue, it’s because you really are a raciest and you ain’t going to have no uppity N***** in the white house.

God, this just assures me more and more, unlike some on here who will go nameless, that Sarah Plain really is the iceberg from Alaska that sunk the SS Hope and Change.

Funny, Obama is just rocketing in the polls and they are now printing stuff like this.

What I can’t figure out is who is more pathetic, the liberals who print this crap, or the conservatives who actually believe the polls they produce.

RobertInAustin on September 20, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Well if the Democrats are racist, Barack Obama should join the GOP. The party of Lincoln. You have to give up those socialistic ways of course, but Barack you are welcome.

Mr. Joe on September 20, 2008 at 5:38 PM

There are racists in every race. I am tired of people only polling Whites as if that is the only race that harbors racism.

jencab on September 20, 2008 at 5:39 PM

I hate Democrats. It’s just a coincidence that many of them happen to be black.

Ronnie on September 20, 2008 at 5:36 PM

I’m proudly bigoted against Marxism myself

jp on September 20, 2008 at 5:39 PM

I feel blacks who are voting only because he is black are racist…just as the whites who are voting for McCain because he is white are racist.

There are quite a few blacks who do NOT support Obama also.

becki51758 on September 20, 2008 at 5:40 PM

That’s very interesting. And you are logically correct. But if they are supporting a particularly black philosophy that is embodied in the candidate, then I think you would still be wrong, and that the support would be racially based. This is, in fact, what I believe.

JiangxiDad on September 20, 2008 at 5:27 PM

There’s no question that Obama comes from a very specific black oppositional culture – Wright, BLT etc. but if he didn’t I think he would still have the same amount of votes and so would a white Dem. Now you could be right that black support for Obama is racially based but even if thats true I think it would constitute something like an extra layer of support rather than any underlying fundamental factor.

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Obama is playing the “white guilt card” perfectly, and the msm right down to this blog blindly go along….congratulations.

Ozprey on September 20, 2008 at 5:43 PM

Are blacks any less prejudiced against whites than Republicans are against Democrats?

The Race Card on September 20, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Being a Democrat is not a genetic condition. While there are risks of making incorrect generalizations based on political orientation, it is not the same as thinking someone is inferior based on their heredity.

Democrats don’t know how to mask their racism as well as Republicans. They get so used to being the party of righteousness they forget to act that way.

There certainly are Republicans racists. But Republicans are accused of racism because policies of fiscal conservatism. But now with this latest $600B bailout, there is going to be no way to stop more entitlements until the country just goes flat broke.

pedestrian on September 20, 2008 at 5:43 PM

Yeah, I had a spat with a black guy once over his vehement claims that Clarence Thomas isn’t really black, and it was like talking to someone who insisted the the earth is flat. It was surreal.

Akzed on September 20, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Question IMG8, “Please mark the words and phrases below that you personally believe describe” Obama & McCain, does not have any characteristics or even “code words” that could be considered negative stereotypes about Blacks.

However, it does includes at least 3 characteristics that are frequent negative stereotypes against the elderly, especially elderly men: “Past his prime, Hot-tempered & Stubborn.”

Furthermore, another characteristic listed is not very specific, so it could be interpreted as a negative stereotype against the elderly: “Out of touch.” If the phrase was more specific, such as “Out of touch with people like me,” it would get more at either elitism or racism. As stated, it could be thought of as “Out of touch with reality,” i.e. senility.

All of these negative stereotypes about the elderly are known to have a adverse impacts on old people in employment and healthcare decisions, as well as contributing to elderly abuse.

The overt manner in which the racial stereotypes are used, versus the covert manner in which the biases against the elderly are stated, makes this questionnaire almost seem like a pro-Obama “push poll designed to push people into being ashamed of any racism they might harbor, while suggesting negative stereotypes about the elderly to dissuade them from voting for Senator McCain. This seems more possible to me because the pollster never addresses the issue of their own use of these age stereotypes.

Or, am I reading to much into this?

Loxodonta on September 20, 2008 at 5:46 PM

And just wait till the McCain and the 527’s hit halfrican over the head with Jerimah Wright. Obama asked for this after paying homage to Wright and his hate-Ameerica crap for 20 years.

It’s not racist to vote against a racist.

John Doe on September 20, 2008 at 5:46 PM

93% block voting among a particular demographic….yeah it’s a one way street alright….

sven10077 on September 20, 2008 at 5:46 PM

I don’t think Dems are racist. They’re equal oppertunity haters.

oakpack on September 20, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Yeah. Considering their voting trends usually, I don’t see black support for Obama to be racism.

Spirit of 1776 on September 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Hypothetical:

Steele/West vs. a Clinton/Edwards

Do you really believe that 90% of the black vote goes Dem in this scenario?

…I mean, if you were a betting man?

Saltysam on September 20, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Are blacks any less prejudiced against whites than Republicans are against Democrats?

The Race Card on September 20, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Prejudice = pre judging, as in judging before the facts are known. So no, Republicans are not prejudiced against Democrats. We have plenty of facts on which we base our opinions.

Disturb the Universe on September 20, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Are blacks any less prejudiced against whites than Republicans are against Democrats?

If blacks are the most racist group in this country, ask yourself “why?” Do you believe it’s biological, sociological or is it “just a black thing?”

I think that racism (like anti-semitism) is to some extent universal. I don’t mean that everyone in the world is racist but more that its a sin – like pride – that can affect people when they are extremely angry or perhaps mentally lazy or inebriated.

So blacks would be about as prejudiced as white people. If its more then perhaps thats because they’ve internalised the dire mistreatment they received in recent centuries.

aengus on September 20, 2008 at 5:48 PM

I don’t think Dems are racist. They’re equal oppertunity haters.

oakpack on September 20, 2008 at 5:47 PM

lol, I had a construction worker buddy who used to say all the time “I don’t hate (fill in the blank)I hate everyone equal.”

Ozprey on September 20, 2008 at 5:49 PM

AP poll: Racism among white Democrats could cost Obama the election

The only person that’s brought race up in this campaign, has been race-baiter-in-chief himself, Barack Hussein Obama. Plus, he’s been a flip flopping serial liar!

byteshredder on September 20, 2008 at 5:49 PM

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