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British ethicist: Senile should be “put down”

posted at 9:00 am on September 19, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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In yet another revealing moment for nationalized health care, a highly respected British ethicist said that dementia sufferers should get euthanized in order to preserve resources for healthier people.   Baroness Warnock, described as “Britain’s leading moral philosopher”, said that the government should license people to be “put down” and stop being a drain on society:

The veteran Government adviser said pensioners in mental decline are “wasting people’s lives” because of the care they require and should be allowed to opt for euthanasia even if they are not in pain.

She insisted there was “nothing wrong” with people being helped to die for the sake of their loved ones or society.

The 84-year-old added that she hoped people will soon be “licensed to put others down” if they are unable to look after themselves. …

Lady Warnock said: “If you’re demented, you’re wasting people’s lives – your family’s lives – and you’re wasting the resources of the National Health Service.

“I’m absolutely, fully in agreement with the argument that if pain is insufferable, then someone should be given help to die, but I feel there’s a wider argument that if somebody absolutely, desperately wants to die because they’re a burden to their family, or the state, then I think they too should be allowed to die.

“Actually I’ve just written an article called ‘A Duty to Die?’ for a Norwegian periodical. I wrote it really suggesting that there’s nothing wrong with feeling you ought to do so for the sake of others as well as yourself.”

Shocking?  It shouldn’t be.  When the State has the burden of providing “free” medical care, that care will get rationed in ways that are, unfortunately, all too predictable.  Human life stops being sacred and instead becomes a commodity with a balance sheet.  If bureaucrats decide that a particular life, or a class of life, has become a net negative, then eventually they will find ways to eliminate the liability.

Totalitarian governments have always worked this way; the shock comes from the same impulse occuring in supposedly enlightened democracies.  We’re seeing a new kind of government these nanny states, though — a democratic totalitarianism that makes all of the choices for its subjects after they willingly give the bureaucracy the power of life and death over them.  It’s a voluntary totalitarianism, and it starts by assigning government the role of caretaker from cradle to grave, the latter point coming at their choosing.

Western civilization built itself on the sanctity of human life and the rights of the individual.  It doesn’t take much for Westerners to give up that birthright.  The only incentive for voluntary slavery appears to be low-cost prescriptions and catastrophic hospital coverage.  Once we buy into that system, all manner of personal choices get removed: the foods you can eat, the beverages you can drink, your pastimes, and apparently your right not to be murdered just to clear a hospital bed.

Resources will get rationed in one manner or another. Only air exists in such abundance that it needs no rationing.  The question for any society is whether they will choose the efficient method of market-based rationing or the caprice of a top-down bureaucratic diktat.  The former encourages more of the resource to be produced, while the latter restricts new resources and forces a shortage management system onto its community.  We see this more clearly in Britain’s NHS than in any other Western construct, and Baroness Warnock’s monstrous demand is only the natural result.


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Helen Thomas, come on down!

Spanglemaker on September 19, 2008 at 9:04 AM

And soon people will start saying this about the handicapped. And those on welfare. And those who score below par on IQ tests. And those with a history of cancer in the family….

Nethicus on September 19, 2008 at 9:04 AM

“Elderly people suffering from dementia should consider ending their lives because they are a burden on the NHS”

The real reason and the eventual end result of “universal health care”. The bureaucracy becomes more important than the client.

darwin on September 19, 2008 at 9:05 AM

I hope this glimpse into the abyss can unite social/cultural conservatives and economic/fiscal conservatives. Socialism is a threat to both our wallets and our values.

D0WNT0WN on September 19, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Baroness Warnock, described as “Britain’s leading moralimmoral philosopher”

This is so disgusting. My grandmother had dementia so I know a little about dealing with this disease. She did not utter a word for the last 3 years of her life. However, when I looked into her crystal blue eyes and stroked her soft “grandma” hands, no words were necessary.

I am sickened by people like this. Give me a tissue! Ugh!

ConMom on September 19, 2008 at 9:06 AM

I’d be willing to wager she’s an atheist. Not all atheists are totalitarians, but it sure seems like all totalitarians are atheists.

ManlyRash on September 19, 2008 at 9:06 AM

That’s funny, I hold the belief that people “licensed to put others down” should be put down, along with the government officials who license them.

That way, we won’t be wasting valuable resources on murdering scum.

NoDonkey on September 19, 2008 at 9:07 AM

I’d say these statements are clear evidence of looniness, so uh… You first, baroness!

greggriffith on September 19, 2008 at 9:08 AM

She insisted there was “nothing wrong” with people being helped to die for the sake of their loved ones or society.

The 84-year-old added that she hoped people will soon be “licensed to put others down” if they are unable to look after themselves. …

Lady Warnock said: “If you’re demented, you’re wasting people’s lives – your family’s lives – and you’re wasting the resources of the National Health Service.

So who does she propose do the actual killing? The “loved ones” , the state?

I haven’t read the whole article yet, (I will in a sec. after I have the spasms in my knee worked out) but, we went through this with my step-mother’s mom.
My step-grandma had dementia for years, she was in a home, and even though she didn’t always remember everyone, she was the sweetest, best natured person. She lived till she was 90, and at her funeral, my step-mom said that those years she spent visiting her were some of the best, and tenderest moments she could have had with her mother.

4shoes on September 19, 2008 at 9:10 AM

“Soylent Green” will now be moved from the fiction shelf to the documentary shelf.

Bishop on September 19, 2008 at 9:11 AM

Give me an E

Give me a U

Give me a G

Give me an E

Give me a N

Give me an I

Give me a C

Give me a S

What’s that spell?????

“Hilalry Care”

sven10077 on September 19, 2008 at 9:11 AM

Nethicus on September 19, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Not people on welfare, they vote.

“ethicist” is another of those words that’s lost it’s original meaning. (See Singer, Peter)

Quisp on September 19, 2008 at 9:11 AM

*&HillaryCare

sven10077 on September 19, 2008 at 9:11 AM

Infanticide, as promoted by the monster Al Burack is far worse than killing senile old people. There is a reason childkillers always get harsher verdicts in courts.

Aristotle on September 19, 2008 at 9:12 AM

The decline of civilization is in full swing, let’s just usher in the barbarians now so we can get on with it.

BTW, first up looks to be Baroness Warnock;

1. Old – check
2. Demented – check
3. Burden – check

The three criteria are met, we need to proceed with the euthanasia immediately before anymore of her demented babble falls out of her mouth.

Geministorm on September 19, 2008 at 9:13 AM

This won’t get widespread coverage in the in-the-tank media. The Democrats fondness for Nationalized healthcare has the underlying theme of solving the entitlements crisis by killing old people in the name of cost control. Welcome to the the Democrats world of Logan’s Run. A Socialist is never satisfied until he is given free reign to murder

jerryofva on September 19, 2008 at 9:15 AM

The British elitists are a good example for where the elitists in this country are headed. The Brits will be the first to allow sharia law to be part of the law of the land.The muslim immigration in the country is getting to point that they can control enough elections to force their will through the election system to shape the environment to what they want it to be. That is why the governments of France Germany, France, Canada and Poland have returned to conservative governments.

volsense on September 19, 2008 at 9:15 AM

Robert Byrd refuses to come out of his office and has barricaded the door.

Bishop on September 19, 2008 at 9:15 AM

How disgusting. I can’t even believe what I’m reading.

Geronimo on September 19, 2008 at 9:15 AM

First of all – is that really a picture of the Baroness (her barrenness)herself? Because not to belabor the obvious … but man, I’d want to be 25 and in really good shape before I espoused that particular view. If I looked like her, I might keep my mouth shut out of pure self-interest. She might be her own first victim.

Second … well, second is obvious, isn’t it? This is the inevitable end result – or middle result, or even almost immediate result – of nationalized health care.

This WILL happen if we put government in charge of medicine. Guaranteed. Sooner rather than later, and right here in America.

It’s inevitable. When the collective has the decision-making power, the collective must always decide in the interests of the collective.

This was the experience of Stalinist Russia. The collective feeds itself on the diminished rights of the individual. It even makes perfect logical sense: if the whole is assumed greater than the sum of the parts, the parts are expendable. They have no intrinsic individual value.

Welcome to communism. Welcome to socialism. This is why it is always, usually unintentionally, evil.

Because sooner or later, this argument – the ethics of collective utilitarianism – always emerges.

And the weak, the sick, the old, and the outcasts (the ones liberals are supposed to protect) are the first to suffer.

Thus it has always been, and thus it will be.

Professor Blather on September 19, 2008 at 9:16 AM

Isnt Eugenics fun?

Wow it is the 1930s all over again. Call Rockefeller, Carnegie, and IBM, they have work to do up on Crystal Lake!

Jesus this is sick!

TheHat on September 19, 2008 at 9:17 AM

I think you’re way off on this one.

The comment she made about being a burden to the NHS is not delicate and was ill-advised but I do think that euthanasia should not be criminalised. You have seized on the reference to the NHS to promote your own well documented take on the sanctity of human life.

As someone who enjoys a few dangerous sports, motorcycle riding and racing being one of them, I’m well aware that I run more of a risk than most of ending up a vegetable. If that ever happens I’d really rather not live a shadow of a life and be a permanent drain on my loved ones. As a result I have what is called a ‘living will’.

Still, to each their own. I suspect we have a different view on what a life is – you seem to set the bar much lower than I would. Correct me if I am wrong but you consider a zygote to be a life in the same way that you’d consider a tube-fed vegetable like Terry Schiavo to have a life as she lay there like some kind of biology experiment from hell.

Ares on September 19, 2008 at 9:17 AM

Professor Blather on September 19, 2008 at 9:16 AM

Well said Professor.

4shoes on September 19, 2008 at 9:19 AM

It’s what government has already done with it’s other monopoly–big city public education. Come in hopeful, go out brain dead.

RBMN on September 19, 2008 at 9:20 AM

This Dr. Death wannabe is an ethicist???

Reminds me of how socialists call themselves ‘liberals’ and ‘progressives’.

What ever happened to the Hippocratic oath?

Oh yeah, SOCIALISM happened to it!

Tony737 on September 19, 2008 at 9:20 AM

But at some point people with horrible teeth will be considered a burden to the NHS. Then they’re all screwed.

AubieJon on September 19, 2008 at 9:20 AM

I do believe that we have a right to our own life. If someone willingly chooses death, that is their fundamental right. But there should be no government compulsion/nudging towards that end. The presumption should be for life, with the death option only going to those who are capable of consent giving that consent without the hint of “gee, it’ll help the rest of us if you off yourself now, rather than waiting six months.”

And soon people will start saying this about the handicapped. And those on welfare. And those who score below par on IQ tests. And those with a history of cancer in the family….
Nethicus on September 19, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Trig Palin, come on down!

Personally, I’ve got no problem with some of my tax dollars going to help support those who truly do need help. The old, the sick, the disabled who still want to live, I’ll support.

rbj on September 19, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Infanticide is apparently Barack’s first step into killing life, but there is no mistake that HE WILL take it to this level. The sneaky way to do it is going to be National Health Care Insurance, and Europeans and Canadians both are screaming at us not to do this because we will regret it. Not to mention they will have nowhere to go for good healthcare!

And if they cannot do this through elections, the Left is succeeding in the courts by the Terry Schiavo case and many, many others where people are being exterminated via a Leftist judge that is not adhering to the Constitution. You may not like McCain and we all have our disagreements with him, but you must not forget the SCOTUS openings that could come up and the federal judgeship appointees that could aid this type of thinking. We must not allow our legal system to be further corrupted by people like Obama and those pulling his strings.

freeus on September 19, 2008 at 9:21 AM

The biggest problem with communism and socialism is that it is based on a hive model that values the hive survival over the individual. Every worker has a purpose to ensure the security of the hive including removing themselves if they are no longer useful. In order for communism and socialism to work it must at all cost dehumanize the workers so that they can be justifiably removed when required to maintain the health of the hive. Just take a look at any communist country and you see human emulation of an ant nest, bee hive or termite colony. While socialism tries not to go quite as far with dehumanization it has no choice in the long run because a hive that values the lives of individuals cannot function. The biggest problem to these societies being successful is that humans are not just another animal and it’s no coincidence that all those that think we are just another animal are also leftist. It’s unethical to kill something wonderful and unique but it’s ok of it’s just another animal no better than any other animal.

jmarcure on September 19, 2008 at 9:21 AM

I think you’re way off on this one.

The comment she made about being a burden to the NHS is not delicate and was ill-advised but I do think that euthanasia should not be criminalised. You have seized on the reference to the NHS to promote your own well documented take on the sanctity of human life.

As someone who enjoys a few dangerous sports, motorcycle riding and racing being one of them, I’m well aware that I run more of a risk than most of ending up a vegetable. If that ever happens I’d really rather not live a shadow of a life and be a permanent drain on my loved ones. As a result I have what is called a ‘living will’.

Still, to each their own. I suspect we have a different view on what a life is – you seem to set the bar much lower than I would. Correct me if I am wrong but you consider a zygote to be a life in the same way that you’d consider a tube-fed vegetable like Terry Schiavo to have a life as she lay there like some kind of biology experiment from hell.

Ares on September 19, 2008 at 9:17 AM

So I take it freedom is lost to you, and we should all be subjects of the government’s will?

“To each his own“, only works if you are a free people, otherwise it is an empty remark.

TheHat on September 19, 2008 at 9:22 AM

Yes, nobody should be surprised. This is the logical and unavoidable consequence of the culture of death. And government run health care will help it along nicely.
I wonder if Joe B. will add “killing yourself is the patriotic thing to do” to his philosophy about paying higher taxes.

neuquenguy on September 19, 2008 at 9:23 AM

So I take it freedom is lost to you, and we should all be subjects of the government’s will?

“To each his own“, only works if you are a free people, otherwise it is an empty remark.

TheHat on September 19, 2008 at 9:22 AM

Last time I checked no-one was forced to use the NHS.

Ares on September 19, 2008 at 9:23 AM

Abortion’s slippery slope and Darwin earns some of the blame. When children are taught we crawled out of the sea, human life is cheapened. Remember, Darwin was a racist. This explains why some people love, love, love him.

saved on September 19, 2008 at 9:23 AM

How long before it’s okay to “put down” the opposition? This is breathtaking, what does that teach humanity in general if we are suppose to be sheltered from the less than perfect.

Cindy Munford on September 19, 2008 at 9:23 AM

I’m thinking about writing a book…I think I’ll call it Logan’s Run. It will be about a distopian state that practices socialism in its grandest state. Children will be all artificially conceived and formed outside of the womb in a clinical environment and then educated and raised in community “farms”. Computer systems will be put in charge so that the system will propagate forward uninterrupted. Humans will be kept illiterate and under-educated to prevent any uprising and only engage in entertainment activities. Secretly, the system will kill the old, the sick, physically handicapped, the stupid and the rebellious. The removal of these persons will be taught to be a glorious event and all mores and values will disappear…

Liberals scare me, they really do.

Geministorm on September 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM

Ares on September 19, 2008 at 9:17 AM

Life has a way of forcing us to confront the beliefs we easily hold when the sun is shinning.

TheBigOldDog on September 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM

What an old hag.

I have worked with the elderly and those with dementia ARE the sweetest and kindest people I have met. They may not remember much of their lives, but they have a good sense of humor and they can participate and enjoy their lives.

becki51758 on September 19, 2008 at 9:26 AM

My mother had dementia and did not know me for 3 years before she died. If asked, she might have said yes to such a question…because she had dementia,…she also kept rocking her newborn baby (bundled up sweater)…because she had dementia..

The bitter angry woman she had become softened into the peace of her inner world and was happy…I have no doubt she would have wanted to live those years, and we wanted her too.

All this talk about who gets to live, on both ends of the spectrum, from babies who survive abortions (or the ethics of abortion itself) to who gets to continue living once ripe old age is achieved is bone chilling.

CinnamongirlUF on September 19, 2008 at 9:26 AM

I don’t mind if idiots like this practice what they preach, just keep your greedy meathooks off of me and mine, please.

My former husband’s mom has dementia, has for a long time. As frustrating as it is, nobody in the family would advocate helping her die just to be rid of the bother. Indeed they go to great lengths to keep her in her own home because they know she wouldn’t last long elsewhere.

That’s what families do, Baroness, and as many things about my former spouse that drive me batty, he deserves major credit for this one.

Bob's Kid on September 19, 2008 at 9:26 AM

True ethics.

ballz2wallz on September 19, 2008 at 9:27 AM

As a result I have what is called a ‘living will’. Ares on September 19, 2008 at 9:17 AM

Many people have these living wills (myself and spouse included). This is set up for the benefit of our families.

We do not want a government bureaucracy making this decision for us. No socialized medicine, no way!

ConMom on September 19, 2008 at 9:27 AM

I agree with this idea but only for Brits with bad teeth.

TheSitRep on September 19, 2008 at 9:28 AM

Geministorm on September 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM

Will it star Farrah Fawcett? ooohhhh Farrah…… Man I suddenly feel really old.

TheBigOldDog on September 19, 2008 at 9:28 AM

“Last time I checked no-one was forced to use the NHS.”

Of course not, they’re just taxed to death to support it, just as we’re taxed to death here to support what’s laughingly referred to as our public “schools”.

And if you actually get sick over there, you can choose to go outside the system, rather than perish in the NHS Hospital/germ factories, under the care of some quack who graduated from the Indonesian College of Surgeons and Fisherman and who speaks English about as well as an Irish Setter.

But by all means, let’s adopt Universal Care here, so the same Democrats who keep their kids out of public schools, can opt out of the system while telling the rest of us how great it is.

NoDonkey on September 19, 2008 at 9:29 AM

es. As a result I have what is called a ‘living will’.

Still, to each their own.

Ares on September 19, 2008 at 9:17 AM

Exactly. And yet somehow this is the very point you completely missed.

If *you* decide ahead of time under what conditions *you* would like to be euthanized – fine.

But this is about the STATE making that decision for you. The collective protecting itself over the individual.

That has little or nothing to do with what you describe. Do you really not see the difference?

Professor Blather on September 19, 2008 at 9:29 AM

Life has a way of forcing us to confront the beliefs we easily hold when the sun is shinning.

TheBigOldDog on September 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM

Just as everyone is a nice guy underneath it all and other truisms.

Ares on September 19, 2008 at 9:29 AM

It’s a voluntary totalitarianism, and it starts by assigning government the role of caretaker from cradle to grave, the latter point coming at their choosing.

“Nanny-state care from womb to tomb!”–
BO’s prescription that leads to our doom.

jgapinoy on September 19, 2008 at 9:29 AM

This woman looks like she would fall into this category. Therefore, let her be the first in line then.

ErinF on September 19, 2008 at 9:30 AM

I’d say these statements are clear evidence of looniness, so uh… You first, baroness! – Greg

Heh, “Baroness”. It’s like the plot of a bad James bond movie. Change her name to Baroness Warlock and 007 gets to make her dream come true … no, not that dream, the other one!

Tony737 on September 19, 2008 at 9:30 AM

“Termination without request or consent”

They’ve been *doing* this for years in the Netherlands and Belgium, not just talking about it.

Asher on September 19, 2008 at 9:31 AM

Those suffering from severe dementia would want to be euthanized. They are not, in any respect, the person that they were. All that remains is a vague physical resemblance to the person that once was.

I am not advocating euthanasia, because I do not believe that anyone but God should have the decision on when one is “put down”. However, I am very sympathetic to the desire of one that has no hope of recovery from this awful disease, wanting to end their OWN life.

Those of you who have never known anybody with severe dementia should at least read the “Alzheimer” chapter of Sherwin Nuland’s excellent book “How We Die”. Dementia is perhaps the most awful way of ANY path to death.

lionheart on September 19, 2008 at 9:31 AM

Ares on September 19, 2008 at 9:17 AM
But what are the perimeters? My dad was injured in his forties and became a paraplegic. Although he had to be taken care of by my mom he lived forty more years. He lived an extraordinary life running his own marine salvage business from his wheel chair. He even had to be rescued from a sinking barge by a Navy helicopter. He probably would have been considered a burden had his life not been allowed to play out.

Cindy Munford on September 19, 2008 at 9:33 AM

somehow this is the very point you completely missed.

If *you* decide ahead of time under what conditions *you* would like to be euthanized – fine.

But this is about the STATE making that decision for you. The collective protecting itself over the individual.

That has little or nothing to do with what you describe. Do you really not see the difference?

Professor Blather on September 19, 2008 at 9:29 AM

Do you not realise you are projecting your fears onto this story?

She talks about licensing people (e.g. legalising euthenasia) – not about the state making that decision to kill people by itself.

It is a subtle distinction and a far cry from full blown eugenics.

Ares on September 19, 2008 at 9:33 AM

When I was 15, my grandfather had a heart attack. He underwent a double bypass, and turns out he was allergic to the anesthesia they gave him for the surgery. He fell into a coma, and 6 weeks later my grandmother made the decision to take him off life support. It took her 6 weeks to find a doctor that would agree to do it (the rest of the family objected, but my grandmother had money in her best interests). They unplugged him from the machines, and left him to die. He came out of his coma, when the last of the drugs causing it petered out of his system. He woke up a very different man – I was the only family member he recognized, and barely at that.

Ten years later, he’s still alive (my grandmother has passed), but a mere shadow of his former self. He suffers from memory loss, an inability to properly care for himself, and he’s hospitalized often. He no longer recognizes me fully, and although he’s met them several times, he forgets he has three great-grandchildren. Yes, his condition is a burden – a mental burden I proudly share. Even if he were a vegetable, I’d still love him and care for him. I was upset when the decision to let him die was given, and even though, ironically, he survived, I will not let that happen again. He helped care for me when I was helpless, not it’s time for me to return the favor.

It’s easy for some to talk about euthenizing people, especially if the victim is abstract. But to those of us who value life, and value what our family has done for us, it’s not even a choice. I feel that those that would seek to kill off those ‘burdens’ in their family are selfish and weak – it’s a selfless and strong act to care for someone to their end, moreso if it’s painful or hard. That’s love, which I guess has no place in our future socialist utopia.

Anna on September 19, 2008 at 9:33 AM

I hit the bloody ceiling when I read this trash this morning!

This Baroness Warnock is a fugitive from an updated Monty Python “Spot The Looney” skit! “Highly respected British ethicist” my a$$!!!!

My wife worked with Alzheimer’s patients for over eight years until she retired and I can tell you that these are people, not liabilities or non-humans or whatever this moron called them..

For this goof in Britain to make this outrageously jackass statement shows how low morals have declined over there. When we start prescribing “putting down” people, you know things are on a downward slide.

pilamaye on September 19, 2008 at 9:34 AM

Libs suffer demensia on a daily basis. Can we do this to them as well? That would really solve a LOT of problems America is having right now.

ErinF on September 19, 2008 at 9:35 AM

Those suffering from severe dementia would want to be euthanized.

How exactly do you know this?

Bishop on September 19, 2008 at 9:37 AM

The earlier you kill anyone dependent on the state, the more the state saves.

Moral of the story? Don’t be dependent on the state. Don’t vote Democratic, or for those who try to entice you with state help. Live free, or die.

JiangxiDad on September 19, 2008 at 9:37 AM

BTW, that’s not any Baroness, that’s a MAN, baby!

lionheart on September 19, 2008 at 9:37 AM

saved on September 19, 2008 at 9:23 AM

Really? I did not know that. Isn’t it odd that Mrs. Sanger was also a racist. I’m seeing a trend in the gods of the lefts idolatry.

Cindy Munford on September 19, 2008 at 9:37 AM

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Slippery slope?

shick on September 19, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Anna on September 19, 2008 at 9:33 AM

God Bless you for that, Anna!

I guess it’s easy for me to say, as in my family we tend to just up and die rather than linger, and we keep our brains until the very end.

Bob's Kid on September 19, 2008 at 9:39 AM

That didn’t work like I thought it would.
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Slippery slope?

shick on September 19, 2008 at 9:40 AM

“I do believe that we have a right to our own life. If someone willingly chooses death, that is their fundamental right”
Unfortunately it is impossible to guarantee that any person who makes this decision is doing it with full freedom and in sufficiently sound state of mind. People with conditions like dementia, depression, senility, mental handicaps, and even fairly sane people, can easily be manipulated. This has become a real issue in countries where euthanasia is legal. Patients are influenced through guilt, either by doctors or family members, to opt for this choice so as to avoid burdening the family or the state.

neuquenguy on September 19, 2008 at 9:41 AM

Not so many decades ago, Stephen Hawking could easily be labeled severely mentally disabled. Without his communication technology, he can mumble unintelligible things, he can blink, or he can become agitated. That’s about all he can do without technology.

RBMN on September 19, 2008 at 9:41 AM

The Culture of Death:

Once you rationalize the killing of an innocent unborn child…….

you can rationalize the killing of anyone at anytime.

FiveWays on September 19, 2008 at 9:42 AM

Soylent Green anybody?

BrianA on September 19, 2008 at 9:43 AM

Without his communication technology, he can mumble unintelligible things, he can blink, or he can become agitated.

Similar to Obambo without a teleprompter. Shouldn’t someone be putting him down?

Bishop on September 19, 2008 at 9:43 AM

People will such debilitating illnesses need our love and support; they do not need our false sympathy — killing them is how you devalue them.

Human life is sacred, period.

Richard Romano on September 19, 2008 at 9:45 AM

shick on September 19, 2008 at 9:40 AM

Whenever I hear that term I think of that quote by the great pro-life activist John Cavanaugh-O’Keefe, who said (paraphrasing)

“‘Slippery slope’ is a valuable term but we’re already near the bottom of it. People talk about the slippery slope as if we can’t allow people to kill unborn children, then the dying, then the sick , then the healthy mentally handicapped, then the senile old, because then the real killing will begin.”

inviolet on September 19, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Darwin taught us long ago that we are all accidents with no purpose.
Now he is teaching us that, for the good of the species, only the fittest deserve to survive.

jgapinoy on September 19, 2008 at 9:46 AM

This is where socialized medicine leads, kill the useless eaters. This is where collectivism leads, thats why our country is based on individual rights. Once we abandon individual rights for the collectivist ideas enshrined by Communism/Socialism, this is where it leads. It’s a very old lesson, I’m astounded we have not learned it by now.

Maxx on September 19, 2008 at 9:47 AM

Ethicist huh? Gotta’ love those enlightened Europeans!

Chicost84 on September 19, 2008 at 9:47 AM

I’d be willing to wager she’s an atheist. Not all atheists are totalitarians, but it sure seems like all totalitarians are atheists.

ManlyRash on September 19, 2008 at 9:06 AM

I mostly agree, but don’t forget those “Islamists”. They can be pretty totalitarian, as well.

Disturb the Universe on September 19, 2008 at 9:47 AM

Maybe it’s time for old Lady Macbeth to hit the meat grinder. She’s taking up oxygen that could be better used by fungi.

whitetop on September 19, 2008 at 9:50 AM

Anna on September 19, 2008 at 9:33 AM

Anna- your story is the embodiment of Christ’s words.

In your story we find the most overlooked and poignant aspect of life:

Within our human suffering, buried inside our pain, in the depths of our mortal despair, in the midst of our frailty, we find the meaning of life; compassion, mercy, empathy, understanding, LOVE…….GOD.

I type this through silent tears.

God bless you Anna.

FiveWays on September 19, 2008 at 9:51 AM

I volunteer to put the syringe in her arm whenever she comes to the realization that she is around the bend.

Jdripper on September 19, 2008 at 9:51 AM

So, when do the Brits get the red jewels implanted in their palms, a la “Logan’s Run”?

aero on September 19, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Darwin taught us long ago that we are all accidents with no purpose.
Now he is teaching us that, for the good of the species, only the fittest deserve to survive.

jgapinoy on September 19, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Darwin was a God-fearing man. Resolve that fact with your assertion.

MadisonConservative on September 19, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Ugh. “Professional ethicists” give me the creeps. If you want to euthenize people, start with them.

One of the comments to the article was a man who complained how his mother had dementia and how hard it was to see her with her hair was maited, her teeth yellow, and her colostomy bag full. Well, pal, you two hands, get to work.

Blake on September 19, 2008 at 9:52 AM

That’s a MAN, baby!

Bruce in NH on September 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM

Darwin taught us long ago that we are all accidents with no purpose.
Now he is teaching us that, for the good of the species, only the fittest deserve to survive.

jgapinoy on September 19, 2008 at 9:46 AM

That’s what happens when you take the Creator out of the equation. Our Founding Fathers were wise enough to acknowledge that our right to life (as well as all other rights) come from the Creator. If they come from the Creator, only He can take them away. If one acknowledges no Creator, then the higher authority becomes by default the government who will always use the greater good of the community argument to impose its control over the individual.

Disturb the Universe on September 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM

you have two hands

Blake on September 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM

Soylent Green anybody?

BrianA on September 19, 2008 at 9:43 AM

Please stop these 1970’s movie references they are making me feel really old and that’s just not right on a Friday – LOL!

TheBigOldDog on September 19, 2008 at 9:54 AM

The Culture of Death:
Once you rationalize the killing of an innocent unborn child…….
you can rationalize the killing of anyone at anytime.

Ahh, yes… but these same people can not rationalize cutting down trees to make needed items like homes and toilet paper… and they can not rationalize hunting for the purposes of food and thinning back overpopulation of a species…

Their mindset is upside down and backwards.

ErinF on September 19, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Ed Morrissey:

a highly respected British ethicist said that dementia sufferers should get euthanized in order to preserve resources for healthier people.

Baroness Warnock:

The veteran Government adviser said pensioners in mental decline are “wasting people’s lives” because of the care they require and should be allowed to opt for euthanasia even if they are not in pain.

Bit of a difference there.

thisaintnopicnic on September 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Those suffering from severe dementia would want to be euthanized.

I would suspect that those suffering severe dementia would prefer new and effective treatments to death.

And let’s stop euphemizing, please. Euthanasia is death.

Mike Honcho on September 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM

You know, I actually said to my husband the other day, after I read that article about the “moral responsibility” of killing Downs syndrome babies in the womb so that they don’t place a burden on society, that the natural next step of such thinking is to say it is our “moral responsibility” to put pillows over the faces of our elderly parents and grandparents who are drawing Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Dementia care, in particular, is prohibitively expensive. I told him I would not be surprised at all to see such “logic” in the near future. And right on cue…

aero on September 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Perhaps Lady Warnock will volunteer to to first. Oh, wait, I’ll be for her there will be an “exception”.

GarandFan on September 19, 2008 at 9:56 AM

Democrats are sure eager to take over Health Care.

Quite a bit too eager if you ask me.

jeff_from_mpls on September 19, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Thanks for the kind words, those who responded.

Also, I’m thinking now would be a great time to check up on my living will – in no uncertain terms, I don’t want to be unplugged like a toaster.

Anna on September 19, 2008 at 9:58 AM

Ed, I hope you move this one over to Top Picks, this is VERY important.

Maxx on September 19, 2008 at 9:58 AM

Wow. Another “objectivist” spouts her crap.

Baroness, help us out………..Get in a coffin. You’ve had your fun. It’s your duty.

The best comeback to a pseudo-intellectual when they propose utter nonsense is to say, “You first.”

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 19, 2008 at 9:59 AM

Democrats are sure eager to take over Health Care.

Yeah, weren’t they trying to figure out if the “conservative gene” was detectable in embryos a few years back? As if they needed even more reasoning behind their abortion-happy mentality.

ErinF on September 19, 2008 at 10:00 AM

Ed Morrissey:

a highly respected British ethicist said that dementia sufferers should get euthanized in order to preserve resources for healthier people.

Baroness Warnock:

The veteran Government adviser said pensioners in mental decline are “wasting people’s lives” because of the care they require and should be allowed to opt for euthanasia even if they are not in pain.

Bit of a difference there.

thisaintnopicnic on September 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Can you tell me how somebody in “mental decline” makes a conscious, informed, lucid decision to “opt for euthanasia?”

TheBigOldDog on September 19, 2008 at 10:01 AM

Those suffering from severe dementia would want to be euthanized.

Ask them then.
Even if a few would express a desire to die, it might be a temporary opinion.
Would you want to be their killer?

jgapinoy on September 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM

JIMMY CARTER .YOU JUST WON A TRIP TO EUROPE!!!!!

steviedfromnc on September 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM

“Bit of a difference there.”

Not really, if you know how the government works.

Legalize euthanasia, license “practitioners”, along with a creaky, overfunded and underperforming NHS and it would soon go be compulsory.

Euthansia isn’t at all ethical, it’s the easy way out for selfish, amoral people to kill other people who are problems.

You can dress it up in all sorts of flowery justifications, but it is what it is – murder.

NoDonkey on September 19, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Bit of a difference [between mandatory and optional euthanasia].

thisaintnopicnic on September 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM

When birth control was pushed in the 20th century, you heard the same whining. “We’re not forcing you to use birth control, it’s just a lifestyle option.”

But that was just to get a foot in the door, our society today marginalizes those who have more than two children. That is a fact. Ask any mother of more than two kids.

You’re free to cover your eyes and see no evil in the case of euthanasia. But you are horribly naive if you don’t see which way the wind’s blowing. In our lifetime we will see the exact same social pressure to kill your parents and family members who become a “burden” on what remains of our “culture.”

jeff_from_mpls on September 19, 2008 at 10:05 AM

Oh, lies, stupidity and self-love we have in abundance.

Dan Collins on September 19, 2008 at 10:06 AM

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