Science “proves”: Nobody spins as much as Obama
posted at 2:35 pm on September 18, 2008 by Allahpundit
Via PA Water Cooler, this reminds me of those dopey studies of mating habits I post in Headlines sometimes that “reveal” how women prefer tall men or men prefer buxom women. It’s nice to have statistical confirmation, but we’re not exactly breaking news here, buddy.
Even so. Trust in science, my friends.
Skillicorn has been watching out for verbal “spin”. He has developed an algorithm that evaluates word usage within the text of a conversation or speech to determine when a person “presents themselves or their content in a way that does not necessarily reflect what they know to be true”…
Each of the candidates had made speeches containing very high and very low levels of spin, according to Skillicorn’s program, depending on the occasion. In general though, Obama’s speeches contain considerably higher spin than either McCain or Clinton. For example, for their speeches accepting their party’s nomination for president, Obama’s speech scored a spin value of 6.7 – where 0 is the average level of spin within all the political speeches analysed, and positive values represent higher spin. In contrast, McCain’s speech scored -7.58, while Hillary Clinton’s speech at the Democratic National Convention scored 0.15. Skillicorn also found that Sarah Palin’s speeches contain slightly more spin than average…
Obama’s spin level skyrockets when facing problems in the press, such as when Jeremiah Wright, the reverend of his former church, made controversial comments to the press.
“When you see these crises come along, the spin goes up,” Skillicorn says. “Obama is very good at using stirring rhetoric to deal with the issues. And it seems to work if you look at what happens in the polls afterwards.”
Cold water: The algorithm seems … stupid, counting frequent usage of plural pronouns as more indicative of spin than singular pronouns. Isn’t that going to queer the results for a guy known for mindless populist mantras like “Yes, we can” and “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for”? That’s not spin, exactly, it’s just vacuous sloganeering. On the other hand, statements that contain qualifications are judged lower in spin than categorical ones or ones which contain negatively charged words like “hate,” a metric in which you’d expect the allegedly temperate, nuanced mind of The One to score better than that of the supposedly impetuous warmonger. Might the man who’s been telling his disciples to get in people’s faces and who’s known for creepy little campaigns to shout down his critics be less Lamb-ish than we thought?
A second study cited in the same speech says straight talk offered in a flat tone won’t win you many votes since it either bums the audience out or convinces them you don’t really believe what you’re saying. Gulp. Exit quotation: “The voice analysis profile for McCain looks very much like someone who is clinically depressed.”









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Straight talk…
CliffHanger on September 18, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Science needs the fairness doctrine, I suppose :P
McCain. Not as evil as advertised.
lorien1973 on September 18, 2008 at 2:39 PM
I have my own theory.
I know a liar when I see one.
fogw on September 18, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Can we just call a spade a spade and say LYING?
cntrlfrk on September 18, 2008 at 2:39 PM
This is as disingenuous as deconstructionism. The man lies, that can be proven, we don’t need no stinkin’ algorithm!
Maquis on September 18, 2008 at 2:40 PM
I’d say the methodology sounds like it assumes its conclusions.
DrSteve on September 18, 2008 at 2:40 PM
this guy has too much time on his hands…he needs a real job.
right4life on September 18, 2008 at 2:40 PM
This is a little off subject, or perhaps in addition to the subject, but I don’t know if I’ve ever felt so much like I have fallen down the rabbit hole, than I do today. Just look at the stories on Drudge and here, today. It seems like the nutjobs have taken over the world.
I used to think reasonable people would see Obama for what he was and recoil from him, but DAMN, they want a Marxist for president!
Star20 on September 18, 2008 at 2:42 PM
So this is E=PC2?
Limerick on September 18, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Who you callin’ a spade, Willis?
ManlyRash on September 18, 2008 at 2:45 PM
You can’t argue with science.
lodge on September 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM
An accurate spin metric would have to give a high score for that one phrase alone.
Count to 10 on September 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM
They don’t want a Marxist. It’s just that the Drive-By media refuses to inform them that he is a Marxist. Big difference.
ManlyRash on September 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM
I had that feeling just reading Hot Air yesterday. Talk about doom and gloom.
Count to 10 on September 18, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Obama’s speech scored a spin value of 6.7 – where 0 is the average level of spin within all the political speeches analysed, and positive values represent higher spin. In contrast, McCain’s speech scored -7.58
And so a President Obama would try to spin his way out of a world crisis. *Hope* it all away. Or would he just vote present? How would he deal with THIS little situation —->
USAToday:
The statement said the missile was test-fired from the submerged Dmitry Donskoy submarine, and that its warheads hit a designated target at a military range on the far-eastern Kamchatka Peninsula, the news agencies reported.
Several previous tests of the Bulava failed — casting doubt of Russia’s ability to build what Russian officials have hailed as a key future component of the nation’s nuclear forces.
But who needs a missile defense system?
Tony737 on September 18, 2008 at 2:48 PM
it wouldn’t matter, you’d be amazed at how many people want a savior not the savior of the bible of course.
right4life on September 18, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Of course you can argue with science. Just don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.
Count to 10 on September 18, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Can we just call a spade a spade …? – Freak
RAAAAAACIST! haha
Tony737 on September 18, 2008 at 2:50 PM
The qualitative analysis is being done by the American people.
We are much brighter, sharper and more discerning than politicos assume.
Spin is dying. If the ‘new media’ and internet news sharing sites had been around in 1992, we may have been well enough informed to disqualify Clinton from the Presidency.
Doug on September 18, 2008 at 2:51 PM
And nobody exaggerates more than Sloe Joe Biden.
Spin and Stretch ’08
Elizabetty on September 18, 2008 at 2:51 PM
These polls are making my head spin…72.6!
joepub on September 18, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Well, I have my own theory.
I know a liar when I see a Democrat from Chicago.
SlimyBill on September 18, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Even the staunchest HotAirians have been known to wonder what, exactly tf AP is up to when he softpeddles criticism of The One, or joins critics of Annie Alaska. Some call for his impending endorsement of ObaMessiah, just to get it out in the open.
Let the added emphasis in this otherwise harmless statement point out Allah’s rather pointed rhetoric toward HRH, the 6.25% black candidate for President from the Chicago Dem/Mob/Racialist machine.
He gets it, folks. Obama’s full of shit.
Jaibones on September 18, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Algorithms? Did someone say… Algorithms?
This is the site hosting the statistics model Rush mentioned today. It’s a Bayesian statistics model and it has some pretty interesting results. Cliff Notes Version: Only a complete GOP meltdown would result in an Obama victory, and even that only has a two in three chance of occurring.
GulfCoastBamaFan on September 18, 2008 at 2:57 PM
gigo
massaged
normalized
algorithm
processed
calculated
analyzed
still garbage
rockhauler on September 18, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Small problem: Voters who select a candidate based on emotional reasons — e.g. he’ll make peace with other countries in the world; he’s protecting women’s right to an abortion; he understands my jealosy of successful people and my desire to take their money — don’t care about “spin.” Logical appeals don’t work with them; they are only moved by pandering to their emotions.
And currently, that’s about 48% of the population.
VastRightWingConspirator on September 18, 2008 at 3:07 PM
I’m not a psychiatrist, but seven years of torture might have something to do with that.
m064404 on September 18, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Could “Skillicorn” take his spin-meter over to Bill O’Reilly’s so-called “No Spin Zone”? Over the past two days, it would probably be off the charts! Seems like Bloviatin’ Bill has fallen victim to Obama-wan-Kenobi’s Jedi mind tricks…
Steve Z on September 18, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Heck, if I were McCain, I’d DEFINITELY be depressed. Why did I spend 20-something years in the military — five of them in a Hell Hole — and another 20-something years as an elected public servant… only to have 48% of the population be so ignorant that they would elect a smooth-talking huckster like Obama, instead of me?
As the maitre de in Ferris Bueller says… “I weep for the future.”
VastRightWingConspirator on September 18, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Scientifically, we should change the electoral votes to be weighted by land mass.
kirkill on September 18, 2008 at 3:22 PM
55 electoral votes for Calif. that sux.
kirkill on September 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Science sucks, they made that fallacy called evolution.
Xolom on September 18, 2008 at 3:28 PM
The Southern Strategy doubles California’s votes and delivers a very steep hurdle for the Dems in close Presidential elections.
GulfCoastBamaFan on September 18, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Well, ah…uh…you can’t make this stuff up! I ah…mean it, you uh, ah, well here’s the thing…..you ah can’t …I ah mean you ah….just can’t make this stuff up…..It’s ah….. not a uh….. skit from SNL….. heh..heh…
bloggless on September 18, 2008 at 3:41 PM
BREAKING SCIENTIFIC NEWS…..
When it rains, you get wet!!!
Oh, sorry, THE ONE, Barack HUSSEIN Obama, (PBUH)(SAW)(SWT) is the reincarnation of King Canute, so he would actually stop the rain, before it landed on him.
Sorry Capn’t, in THE ONE’S case the “science” doesn’t work…
Dale in Atlanta on September 18, 2008 at 3:46 PM
You’re on a roll AP.
Griz on September 18, 2008 at 4:05 PM
I have one built in to my hearing… I call it my bvllshit meter….
CC
CapedConservative on September 18, 2008 at 4:23 PM
STAR20, that’s EXACTLY how I feel. It’s like “Alice (in Wonderland) Through the Looking Glass” I’m thinkin’ it’s time to start a 12-Step group.
NightmareOnKStreet on September 18, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Nightmare,
Sounds great! Can still bring Kettle One to a 12 step meeting?
Star20 on September 18, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Correction: A lying Marxist.
I think I am cynically depressed today. Does anyone have a bottle of algorithms?
petunia on September 18, 2008 at 4:50 PM
You mean he used an AlGore-rythm to figure this out?
skatz51 on September 18, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Analysis like this strike me as invalid, because they are never double-blind.
For instance, the handwriting analyst who looks at a signature of Albert Einstein and deducts from the signature that the writer is highly intelligent, probably good at math and tends toward pacifism. Hmmmm.
Did the analyst know who was talking when the analysis was done?
kurtzz3 on September 18, 2008 at 5:50 PM
I just love this Redstate headline
eucher on September 18, 2008 at 6:24 PM
My favorite Obama spin? “95% of working families”… WTF is a “working family”, and why is it sometimes his surrogates and even The One himself slip and say “95% of Americans” or “95% of the people”, but when reading from script they are careful to always say “working faimilies”. I have yet to see how he defines a “working family”.
RightWinged on September 18, 2008 at 7:19 PM
It takes a particular effort for me to be clear, concise and articulate (and clean). When I read political speeches that are considered to be great I see that the choice of words clearly communicate a denotative meaning which the speaker intends, while also evoking images which satisfactorily evoke tangential arguments that are not immediately germane or provable.
A recent example of this was Bill Clinton’s comment about Barak Obama that Jesse Jackson had also won South Carolina. It is obviously true that Jackson did win South Carolina. And it is clear that Clinton was reasonably referencing the demographic which allowed this victory.
The perception that this was a racist statement, and a contention supported by Dick Morris (who should know better than anyone), comes from the tangential reference to race. These tangential connections are potent as they do not have to be in agreement with the surrounding facts and they are, being only oblique to the thrust of the comment, deniable as being unintended.
The evocative subtexts, connections, puns and multiple entendres are the nature of great speeches. They are valued oratorical skills. ‘Spin’, on the other hand, as it is being presented in this present election, is not the effort to add such context and poignancy, but has become the effort to fully remove context and clarity and to actually deceive. This is called bull***t.
Is there an algorithm for that?
flicker on September 18, 2008 at 7:24 PM
If I knew that almost everything I said was either going to be: A. Ignored; or B. Misrepresented by the MSM; I’d sound depressed too.
melchitt on September 18, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Yes, democracy is a bummer like that, and a good reason why everybody needs to be taught reasoning.
But how will you get (allegedly) 48% of the population to attend for therapy?
:)
YiZhangZhe on September 19, 2008 at 9:02 AM