Good question: How did the hacker get Palin’s e-mail address?
posted at 8:30 pm on September 18, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Ace asks and then answers — incorrectly. It’s true that the Washington Post published a private e-mail address of Palin’s back on September 10: gov.sarah@yahoo.com. But that’s not the address that got hacked.
Several other posters handed over the contents of the e-mail account gov.palin@yahoo.com to Wikileaks.org, a site that anonymously hosts leaked government and corporate documents. Wikileaks posted screen shots of two e-mails, Palin’s contact list, and her inbox list, along with two previously unpublished family photos, according to a story on Wikileaks. That address was previously unknown but another, gov.sarah@yahoo.com, already had been mentioned in published reports.
Ars Technica also says it was unknown. People are speculating that it came from the Democrats’ oppo research memo from two years ago that Politico recently published, but I don’t see it in there. So where’d it come from? Three obvious possibilities:
1. The hacker stumbled across the gov.sarah address in the Post and simply guessed there was a gov.palin address, too. Unlikely, though. Why waste time trying to hack accounts that might not exist when you could be trying to hack one that does?
2. Per the AP e-mail republished by Michelle, Palin’s “critics” got the address from records of e-mail communications obtained from the governor’s office. Plausible, but how’d it get from those critics to some 20-year-old /b/tard at 4Chan? And before you say “His dad’s a Democratic pol,” tell me why that info would be leaking down to the level of Tennessee state legislators.
3. One of Palin’s political enemies either corresponded with her personally at that address or got hold of it somehow through someone who did. Same problem as in number two.
The obvious answer is that the /b/tard saw the address online where someone privy to it had posted it. But after Googling around, I can’t see where. The closest I’ve come to finding a pre-hack mention is in the tags at the end of this post at Sarah Palin Truth Squad on September 10, but I think that’s just a case of a tag being added later and then applying retroactively to an already published post. Besides, it’s hard to believe “rubico” would have found it there.
Anyone want to do a little surfing and help crack the case?
Update: Given that “rubico” was trying to access the account to dig up Troopergate dirt and not just for sport, I guess option one is slightly more plausible than I’m giving it credit for being. A hacker out for a joyride might content himself with the publicly known gov.sarah address, but if you’re suspicious that incriminating info’s being hidden and wanted to search comprehensively for it, you might well be inclined to sniff around in the Yahoo directory for other accounts.
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Michelle pays you, not me. Get cracking, white boy.
Coronagold on September 18, 2008 at 8:32 PM
This is above my pay grade.
John Doe on September 18, 2008 at 8:33 PM
maybe he tried gov.sarah and had no luck and thought he would try gov.palin?
Or
Being the low rung on the ladder that he is, he just got confused, and thought it was gov.palin to begin with and just got lucky.
aikidoka on September 18, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Lots of community organizers walking around Alaska ready to hand out money,,, not really that hard to figure out.
JellyToast on September 18, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Maybe it was inside job(someone inside Yahoo!)
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 8:36 PM
The Alaska governments website?
roninacreage on September 18, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Maybe the Nerd kid, has a friend that words at Yahoo!?
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Maybe the Nerd kid, has a friend that works at Yahoo!?
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Dumb luck, perhaps? Sometimes it best not to overthink it.
JammieWearingFool on September 18, 2008 at 8:39 PM
yahoo member directory.
http://dir.yahoo.com/
Sammy316 on September 18, 2008 at 8:39 PM
AOSHQ has a link to a WaPo article in which it was disclosed, courtesy of Alaska Democrats.
Wethal on September 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM
They probably got it from the same person that gave out Bristol Palin’s phone number. It’s amazing how much a 100 bucks can impress a teenager.
AnthonyK on September 18, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Did you not read my post? That was a different e-mail address they disclosed.
Allahpundit on September 18, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Please let this punk squeal!
anniekc on September 18, 2008 at 8:44 PM
How hard could it be?
yayimgonnabeveepee at yahoo
KillerKane on September 18, 2008 at 8:45 PM
/b/ say both of them were hacked. And it sure seems that way. So Ace is 50% right.
Aristotle on September 18, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Where? With half a battalion of journalists and DNC lawyers dodging the no-see-ums for the last month I’m sure that email ended up on numerous docs shoved in a briefcase, or a blackberry. Maria told Sam who let Willy know and he just mentioned it to Maria’s garderner’s union rep.
Limerick on September 18, 2008 at 8:46 PM
It was easy.
First, you find Todd Palin’s e-mail address at yahoo! and get to Governor Palin’s from his.
carbon_footprint on September 18, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Only unlikely if you assume there was just one would be “Hacker”.
semloh on September 18, 2008 at 8:48 PM
+Eleventy.
BadgerHawk on September 18, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Col. Mustard
the Dem kid
in teh intarweb
with a lucky guess
BL@KBIRD on September 18, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Perhaps the best post of this thread so far.
ManlyRash on September 18, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Alcohol + $$$$ + democrat operatives = Answer
SouthernGent on September 18, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I question the timing of Obama’s email Ad against McCain(why would run it(knowing that a backlash could ensue over attack a POW’s war injuries and elderly person), and having the Ad to with security)
Obama’s campaign must have known in advance about people having access to Palin’s email.
The Democrats are in on this..
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Um, was this a real hack (involving breaches of yahoo’s own security) or just a case of somebody correctly guessing a password? If it’s the latter, I have a hard time getting all worked up about it.
Big S on September 18, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I question the timing of Obama’s email Ad against McCain(why would he run it knowing that a backlash could ensue over attacking a POW’s war injuries and an elderly person), and having the Ad to do with security)
Obama’s campaign must have known in advance about people having access to Palin’s email, knowing later that this would drop.
The Democrats are in on this..
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Michelle Obama does seem to have extra time on
her hands!
canopfor on September 18, 2008 at 8:53 PM
It sounds like it is going to be blamed on a college boy, the son of a Tennessee state rep (D) in Memphis. We will find out soon enough who REALLY did it if the boy faces jail time.
JonRoss on September 18, 2008 at 8:53 PM
I imagine that they will turn this young man’s life inside out and he will be really really sorry that he didn’t concentrate on his school work. But as long as there is nothing to indicate that it wasn’t his idea of a goof then it’s done. Nobody is going to want to bust on a kid.
Cindy Munford on September 18, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Obligatory cries for mercy on the disenfranchised yoot…
Hmmm… let me think about this…
-media/ Dems/ etc. have attacked Palin’s kids by name for weeks
- he’s 2 years into being a legal adult
- All but one of Palin’s kids are underage
…yeah, I think I am gonna have to pass on the idea of giving this idiot a pass.
Damiano on September 18, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Guessing a password and an e-mail address, apparently.
If I spend the rest of the night trying to guess your password, you’re cool with that?
Allahpundit on September 18, 2008 at 8:55 PM
I agree, but the feds may have no other choice than to enforce the law.
JonRoss on September 18, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Why do you think that? If the higher-ups of the Obama campaign had a hand in this, why would they publicize inconsequential details about her account. If they looked, and found what we see on the leaked documents, they wouldn’t have risked getting caught by putting it out there. My opinion: this is some bored jerk who, while probably not a fan of Palin, is not carrying out orders from the Democratic party.
Big S on September 18, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Yahoo! has some weak security!
They do NOT recommend STRONG Passwords(they allow people to have weak passwords I believe as little as 6 characters) , Nor do they ever ask you to change them or do they ever have reminders for people to change them often..
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 8:56 PM
I think he went phishing and got lucky. I feel bad for Sarah because she has undergone so much abuse from left wingers….so much more than anyone before her.
mindhacker on September 18, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Maybe she had forwarded an email from one account to the other, and that mail was saved. And/or that account name was saved in her address book?
Hannibal Smith on September 18, 2008 at 8:58 PM
If this was a Republican college kid,
and pulled this stunt on the “ONE”,he
would be crucified!
And then,the Liberal Professors would
cricify him again,jus sayin!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on September 18, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Oh, for God’s sake… I just noticed in my blog’s search engine referrals ‘alaska “john birch society” member’ and it turns out that’s the latest Kos smear. Turns out there’s a photo of her in the 90s in possession of a JBS magazine.
But remember, questioning Obamessiah’s ties to domestic terrorists and Marxists is WAY out of bounds!!
Laura on September 18, 2008 at 8:58 PM
sh#t,I mean oops,thats crucify,not cricify!
canopfor on September 18, 2008 at 8:59 PM
look at it, people think it was “her account”, when it could have been Anyone’s Yahoo! account that this moron could have attacked, with a brute force style generator or something.
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 8:59 PM
He’s not a kid. He’s an adult; old enough to marry, enter legal contracts, be a father, join the military, and yes, go to prison.
Laura on September 18, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Yeah,, I am very skeptical that the Dems were in on this.
carbon_footprint on September 18, 2008 at 9:02 PM
I challenge CanadianGuy to crack it…he was way out ahead of this.
No big deal and all…
BigWyo on September 18, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Until we know what the actual address is, all we can do is assume. It is quite possible that it was something as simple as sarahpalin or sarah_palin etc. and the password was brute forced or just guessed. God I hope it wasnt something as simple as user id = sarah.palin@yahoo.com, password = trigtrak.
Time to watch Sarah on tv now.
cannonball on September 18, 2008 at 9:02 PM
He’s a grown man, not a “kid”.
flenser on September 18, 2008 at 9:03 PM
JonRoss on September 18, 2008 at 8:55 PM
I still think he will get what amounts to a walk. Unless, of course, it is more than just him. Don’t get me wrong I hope they put the fear of God in him, even if it doesn’t happen, he should be envisioning prison at this very moment. A character building experience.
Cindy Munford on September 18, 2008 at 9:03 PM
No, I’m not saying that it’s cool to do things like that. Nor should we expect others to try … unless we’ve recently been nominated for the Vice Presidency of a major party. Sure, let the authorities go after the person who did this, and if they find that they did anything really illegal, punish them (it probably wouldn’t be a severe punishment). I just think we should avoid alleging conspiracies of the Democratic party without any other evidence.
Big S on September 18, 2008 at 9:04 PM
We have young men and women serving in the military (my son being one) and putting their lives at risk every day. Many are younger than this 20 year old thug. I want his ass hung high. He made his choices. He didn’t just hack an email site, he interfered with a national election.
JonRoss on September 18, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Maybe they were under the impression there was something incriminating in the emails they had already found and were laying the ground work for an amphilication of the “Not vetted” line of attack… trying to show the liability of not using the internet…?
Okay, this is my first attempt at conspiracy theory and that was all I had!
petunia on September 18, 2008 at 9:06 PM
I’m not seeing what Palin family snapshots have to do with “leaked government and corporate documents”, but we can take it for granted that Wikileaks is run by libtards.
flenser on September 18, 2008 at 9:07 PM
He’s not a kid.
Laura on Sept 18,2008 at 9:00PM.
Laura:If this clown is an operative,then the dirty tricks
should be addressed big time by the McCain/Palin
campaign,and call it what it is,riding dirty of the
Chicago Liberal thug machine!!
canopfor on September 18, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Laura on September 18, 2008 at 9:00 PM
He may be old enough to do all of that but really, does he strike you as particularly smart. It’s early yet, it could be that there are accomplices and then I will change my mind. This is serious or could have been, it’s a shame.
Cindy Munford on September 18, 2008 at 9:07 PM
My vote is this. They got on one account first (gov.sarah), looked at the “Sent” folder or trash and found the other (gov.palin). We all probably send emails to ourselves — from home to work, or to have an email copy.
LastRick on September 18, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Um… Do people not even read the posts before they comment? The e-mail address that got ‘hacked’ is right there.
BadgerHawk on September 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Allah.
It came from the person who filed the freedom of information requests in Alaska and was published somewhere recently … I think.
CanadianGuy on September 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM
With Yahoomail you don’t have to guess the password. If you don’t remember/know it you just click that you don’t remember it and you are asked the “security” question that you have previously selected from a list of “security” queestions, such as, “What is your father’s middle name?” or “What was your first Grade School?”. Could well be exceedingly simple from there.
semloh on September 18, 2008 at 9:09 PM
I just heard a news report that he went into Yahoo looking for Wassilla address, figured her user name out, answered the question required to change the password and he’s in. I still don’t know if he acted on his own but I bet he’s scared.
Cindy Munford on September 18, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Yep! Palin son is what 19 and his fighting in Iraq!
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 9:12 PM
This is the same crap,innocent old couple with
a tape machine,and accidently taped Newt’s
cell-phone conversation,and then did their
duty,by turning it over to the DNC!
Seems,kinda like the same Liberal pattern!
canopfor on September 18, 2008 at 9:13 PM
I’ll say this til I’m blue in the face.
LOOK AT THE SHELBY COUNTY DEMOCRATS!
The kid’s Dad is well-known in Memphis area Democrat politics. He’s tied in with all sorts of leftwing groups in Tennessee. Groups that could possibly have ties to the likes of Daily Kos, Moveon.org, et.al. on a national level.
ericdondero on September 18, 2008 at 9:14 PM
canopfor on September 18, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Clownishness has nothing to do with this person’s culpability, if he is in fact guilty. He’s certainly morally aware enough to know he was doing something wrong, as evidenced by his own freakout and attempt to cover his tracks. (sat there with his internet unplugged, as he put it, “comatose”)
Cindy Munford on September 18, 2008 at 9:07 PM
His intelligence likewise has nothing to do with the fact that a crime was willfully, knowingly committed.
Laura on September 18, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Gov.Sarah
Gov.Palin
Variations on a theme, not much different from what a musician does with chords and progressions. Simple hacker technique, you shouldn’t be that surprised.
One good thing out of this story, I recovered a very old email address where I had long forgotten the password, so resetting the password isn’t that difficult.
Email addresses where you can reset the password that easily should not be used for anything other than a throw away address.
rockhauler on September 18, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Does Yahoo have a members directory that you can look up?
Like if you type in Sarah Palin does her name show up as a Yahoo Member along with her email address?
gumble on September 18, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Therefore, it is truly worth questioning!
OldEnglish on September 18, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Not by default, but you can easily determine if a given username is actively in use.
Yes, I think that she’s a fairly easy hacking target. It wouldn’t take much to fool her into a falling for a phishing technique either. It doesn’t take a genius to out guess a woman of her intelligence.
foreverright on September 18, 2008 at 9:18 PM
After looking at the comments at Ace and LGF, I can draw one simple conclusion:
That kid is officially f^@%ed!
newton on September 18, 2008 at 9:19 PM
I posted this a bit earlier in this thread.
Go to the link here.
A search will find this Yahoo! forum where Todd Palin uses his real name and email addresss. It is from before Governor Palin became governor but it is there. Anyone could find her e-mail address through this link IMO.
carbon_footprint on September 18, 2008 at 9:20 PM
You must be joking.
You think it was hard to go from gov.sarah to gov.palin?
I think my chihuahua figured that out.
faraway on September 18, 2008 at 9:20 PM
That is true, that is why I don’t give the real information, to Yahoo! on those questions..(I consider those to be “phishing” questions and private, why does Yahoo!, need to ask those questions for security? I make false information up for my Yahoo! and Gmail accounts. they don’t need to know who i am )
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Clownish…
Laura on Sept 18,2008 at 9:15PM.
Laura: Clown=Idiot,
Liberal operative,
HE invaded SaraCuda privacy,is the
bottom line!
canopfor on September 18, 2008 at 9:21 PM
I don’t know how the kid got it. But this blogger seem to have it before the hacking.
terryannonline on September 18, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Ugh. Last thing we need.
Big S on September 18, 2008 at 9:23 PM
No, it was hacked/published in the very early morning (4:00 EST) on the 17th. That blog was posted on the 17th, yesterday and probably way after the address was common knowledge.
carbon_footprint on September 18, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Inside job by some minimum-wage data clerk at Yahoo.
logis on September 18, 2008 at 9:26 PM
He heard about gov.sarah but got confused when he sat down at his computer and typed in gov.palin. Just dumb luck.
srhoades on September 18, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Why would i click the link that you posted so some liberal moron could get my ip address?
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Its not on Google at all, besides coming up in reports and blog posts about the hacking. I ran a search that covered the last year and nothing in over 20 pages of results. I’d say the email had to be given to someone or was cc’d in a message that the hacker came across.
You know there is a fourth option Allah…
4. Anon hacked into another official’s account whom Palin corresponded with and attained the address through messages in that account.
smfoushee on September 18, 2008 at 9:28 PM
on an unrelated note – I’m painting a skull and crossbones, making a flag for my car for tomorrow. I hope you’re all also getting prepared for International Talk Like A Pirate Day.
Laura on September 18, 2008 at 9:29 PM
A whole lotta excusin’ goin’ on here.
What the heck does this have to do with whether he’s 20 or 30 or a hacker or a phisher or a guesser?
If some dumbass script kiddie uses a downloaded hacking kit to get into my corporate network and screw up 300 machines and cost us 500 man-hours cleaning it up at fiscal year-end, I’m hardly going to suggest not punishing him because he had a kit that made it easy to break half a dozen laws, cost us lots of time and generally screw up our week.
If this is the right guy and the story told was his story, we have intent AND malice, and that’s plenty.
Next thing you know, y’all will be blaming victims of car theft for not having frequency-hopping alarms because someone’s hanging out in a van with a code scanner.
Merovign on September 18, 2008 at 9:29 PM
3. In case you forget your ID or password…
Alternate Email
This information is required
* Security Question
* Your Answer
Use 4 characters or more — not case sensitive.
Choose from:
Where did you meet you spouse?
What is your favorite pastime?
What is your favorite sports team?
- a few more -
Child’s play really.
semloh on September 18, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Don’t got to liberal Websites!
They will Know you IP address and Hack your Computer!
Liberals Don’t care about your Personal Freedoms!
Liberals will take your personal information and steal your identity!
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Didn’t Nixon have to quit for less?
Conservative Voice on September 18, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Unfortunately that can happen if someone leaves their back door wide open with practically a sign on it saying come right in.
semloh on September 18, 2008 at 9:32 PM
BDU-33 on September 18, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Same here.
They have no need to add my ‘first pet’s name’ to any database.
Rodent on September 18, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Didn’t G. Gordon Liddy go to jail?
TexasDan on September 18, 2008 at 9:34 PM
I am not a hacker by definition, but I know my way around computers and the ‘interwebs’. :p
But I can say, from what I read from what ‘rubico’ posted, it was an easy social engineering hack. Give me enough time , and sure, I could hack a yahoo account. The fact that I do not have the time or the interest in doing so makes that point moot to me.
It wasn’t anything strange or mysterious. The hacker had some privy info and worked from there. He had a motive and time to do it.
Lesson Learned – be careful about your information when you
open an online webmail account.
lsutiger on September 18, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Yeap, and the person that comes right in needs to have their ass hung high because they violated the law.
JonRoss on September 18, 2008 at 9:39 PM
I make all that up, nothing is correct, also i put in character other than letters.(even though I’m not famous)
It’s pretty stupid for Yahoo to use that, they have been told about that vulnerability, not sure why they keep it, Yahoo is not the place for security, Google isn’t really any better.
Chakra Hammer on September 18, 2008 at 9:39 PM
For the encouragement of others, maximum penalties, huge fines, lots of community service, and never allowed to get near a computer for the next decade seems an appropriate sentence. Remember, a judicial sentence is earned, not given.
DAT60A3 on September 18, 2008 at 9:43 PM
I would, but I just don’t see how this will help Michelle’s kids.
Jaibones on September 18, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Agree, was an inside job.
rocinaterider on September 18, 2008 at 9:45 PM
What may have happened is that someone gave Palin an email address over the phone, and she spelled it incorrectly, sending a message by accident to a political activist who filed it away for later use.
Sending to the wrong email address that way has happened to me. Just to create an example, someone forgets to tell you it’s spelled GeoffreySmith and not JeffreySmith. Happens all the time.
RBMN on September 18, 2008 at 9:45 PM
The hacker punk has BIG PROBLEMS!! Have you seen the front post on his myspace? BITTER BOY!
christene on September 18, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Perhaps Sarah should have hired you as her security adviser.
As for yahoo being stupid – yahoomail is free and you get what you pay for. Anyone with sense should not use it for anything secret or even confidential, certainly not if they are famous.
semloh on September 18, 2008 at 9:47 PM
So, it’s ok if you’re nominated to….?
What is wrong with you??
So I guess it’s ok if you piss a bunch of people off by running your mouth on a website??
BigWyo on September 18, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Here’s a BETTER question:
WHICH “NEWS-SERVICE” PAID the HACKER who HACKED Sarah Palin’s EMAIL?!!!
grtflmark on September 18, 2008 at 9:48 PM
What this “hacker” did was probably about the same as a kid taking a joy ride in a car that someone had left out in the street overnight with the keys in it.
semloh on September 18, 2008 at 9:49 PM
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