McCain to Univision: Fence? I didn’t vote for any fence

posted at 3:54 pm on September 17, 2008 by Allahpundit

McCain, circa January 2007: “I’ll build the goddamned fence if they want it.” McCain, two days ago to Univision:

-You voted for the construction of the wall between Mexico and the United States. However, the Mexican Government has just confirmed that every year, at least half a million Mexicans come to the United States. How exactly are you planning to secure that border? Every single minute there is an immigrant coming into the United States illegally.

-I didn’t vote for, I am not sure what you are talking about, but we can secure…

-…about 700 miles.

-I say we can secure our borders with walls and/or fences in urban areas, and then virtual fences, vehicle barriers

-But, you did vote for the wall.

-I didn’t vote for an…, I don’t know what you are exactly what you are referring to. What my plan was, and what our proposal was, that we secure our borders, and we can secure it, not necessarilly with walls and fences. Although that is important in populated areas, in the deserts of Arizona vehicle barriers, cameras, and sensors, all of those things, can be used. By the way, on the Arizona Border, common practice today, drug dealers send a group of illegals across the border, the drug dealers call cartels, call the border patrol that they round them up and leave and the drugs go behind them. So, don’t try to separate that issue, because they are inextricably tied, my friend.

Where could the interviewer have gotten the idea that Maverick supports a “goddamned fence”? Ah, right — from his vote for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, as this immigration blogger reminds us. Remember that? 700 miles of fence along the border? Remember how the blogosphere rejoiced — except for one dour skeptic who had the last laugh a year later when her warnings about what an egregious sham it was proved only too true? McCain’s playing it off here as though what he really voted for was the virtual fence, which the bill did indeed provide for — and which, predictably, ran into delays and technological problems on the ground — but there was a bit more to it than that. Read Section 3 for yourself.

Incidentally, in the same Univision interview, he promises to present a new comprehensive immigration bill to Congress “in the first day” he takes office — which isn’t the first time he’s said that, his many empty soundbites about securing the border first notwithstanding. Exit question: You do understand we’re going to see amnesty with President McCain in office, right? And Vice President Palin’s likely to be cheering all the way.


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I think we can use Congress to our advantage. And I’m betting Palin will be largely silent on the issue as VP but against amnesty as prez. We’ll see.

OneGyT on September 17, 2008 at 3:56 PM

You do understand we’re going to see amnesty with President McCain in office, right?

He won’t be in office.

And Vice President Palin’s likely to be cheering all the way.

And she’ll be in Alaska wondering why the hell she wanted to be a nation wide politician.

lorien1973 on September 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Talk about picking your poison!!

It’s either McCain with amnesty or Obama with socialism!!

120pages on September 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Re: The Corner link – how can anyone think the dissolution of Iraq would be worse than the dissolution of America? It boggles the mind.

aengus on September 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM

If he keeps talking like this we won’t have amnesty.

Editor on September 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM

John McCain is a liberal traitor.
Republicans began to circle the wagons some time ago and root for him, but if this fact escapes our minds it’ll mean the death of the conservative movement.

Xolom on September 17, 2008 at 3:59 PM

I think Fred! said it best…the country is not as concerned with the 10 million illegals that are here as much as they are about the next 10 million. Get the fence built–real and virtual, find the criminals-kick them out, and figure out a way to get the others naturalized…

Make it next to impossible for the next 10 million. Probably not popular, but that’s what will likely happen under McCain.

joepub on September 17, 2008 at 4:00 PM

lorien1973 on September 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Don’t go wobbly now.

McCain is foolish for doubling down on the issue that nearly ended his candidacy last summer.

Slublog on September 17, 2008 at 4:01 PM

I’m going to cover up McCain’s name on the ballot and just look at Palin’s name while I vote.

Enoxo on September 17, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Where’s the story about obama wanting to reverse the fence policy? It’s sickening how nobody will ask obama any of these questions!!

christene on September 17, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Let’s see; McCain granting ‘amnesty’(as Reagen did) or Obama negotiating with our enemies. Not sure, tough call, that one.

carbon_footprint on September 17, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Make it next to impossible for the next 10 million. Probably not popular, but that’s what will likely happen under McCain.

Why is that likely when all indications point to the opposite?

aengus on September 17, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Badges?!? We don’ need no steenkeen badges!

Beto Ochoa on September 17, 2008 at 4:04 PM

I’ve decided that this whole immigration issue is a non-factor in my support for McCain.

I support McCain because I believe in blunting the blow that our economy is taking from Obama’s friends in the financial services industry. That, and undermining our troops is a traitorous act.

I swear I live among idiots in the USA. Makes me want to move to Japan.

Sakaki on September 17, 2008 at 4:04 PM

I’ll take the….ack…garfle…braaaack…amnesty, though the question is whether Mac is pandering to the audience of Univision.

Damn, Mac could wipe Obacko off the map if he would just say he supports enforcing our immigration laws, all of them, as the PEOPLE of this country demanded during the Shamnesty debacle.

Bishop on September 17, 2008 at 4:04 PM

“Country First”. He’s the prodigy of two Admirals and a former POW. You can trust McCain. Straight Talk, DAMMIT!

Fletch54 on September 17, 2008 at 4:05 PM

carbon_footprint on September 17, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Indeed. I’d add that Obama would also grant amnesty.

OneGyT on September 17, 2008 at 4:05 PM

God loves John McCain. He gave him Barack Obama.

JiangxiDad on September 17, 2008 at 4:06 PM

I swear I live among idiots in the USA. Makes me want to move to Japan.
Sakaki on September 17, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Can I come? I visited quite a few times while in the service but didn’t see much beyond Sasebo and Nagasaki.

Plus I could get one of those cool robots.

Bishop on September 17, 2008 at 4:06 PM

“Exit question: You do understand we’re going to see amnesty with President McCain in office, right? And Vice President Palin’s likely to be cheering all the way.”

I didn’t know anyone wanted to grant amnesty to polar bears.

jim m on September 17, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Here we go again. Are republican conservatives really stupid enough to cut off the nose in order to spite the face?

Calm Before the Storm on September 17, 2008 at 4:06 PM

You do understand we’re going to see amnesty with President McCain in office, right?

No, because if he gets elected, we’re going to start fighting it on the morning of November 5th.

You said amnesty was a foregone conclusion in the summer of 2007 also … how’d that work out again?

thirteen28 on September 17, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Obama will not only pass amnesty, he will make us all “WORLD CITIZENS”.

Let’s deal with this AFTER we defeat the Obamanation.

SaintOlaf on September 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Make it next to impossible for the next 10 million. Probably not popular, but that’s what will likely happen under McCain.

Why is that likely when all indications point to the opposite?

I believe that to be what he says on his site:

“As you know, I and many other colleagues twice attempted to pass comprehensive immigration legislation to fix our broken borders; ensure respect for the laws of this country; recognize the important economic contribution of immigrant laborers; apprehend those who came here illegally to commit crimes; and deal practically and humanely with those who came here, as my distant ancestors did, to build a better, safer life for their families, without excusing the fact they came here illegally or granting them privileges before those who have been waiting their turn outside the country. Many Americans did not believe us when we said we would secure our borders, and so we failed in our efforts. I don’t want to fail again to achieve comprehensive immigration reform. We must prove we have the resources to secure our borders and use them, while respecting the dignity and rights of citizens and legal residents of the United States. When we have achieved our border security goal, we must enact and implement the other parts of practical, fair and necessary immigration policy. We have economic and humanitarian responsibilities as well, and they require no less dedication from us in meeting them.”

- John McCain

joepub on September 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM

God loves John McCain. He gave him Barack Obama.

Yup. If McCain were running against Hillary Clinton and not Obama, the temptation to sit this one out would be stronger.

Slublog on September 17, 2008 at 4:08 PM

And this after illegals were starting to LEAVE the country because of stronger enforcement of employment laws. The hope has to be in Palin (and Jindal) that they will reverse the course that Republicans are currently undertaking by being proponents of amnesty. For as great as RR was this is the one area of failure that has impacted us greatly today. Amazing how somethign that appeared so small then could rise to be such a major thing now.

One wonders if the current “bailout” culture will have the same impact down the line.

CTDeLude on September 17, 2008 at 4:08 PM

McCain is just as bad as Obama. For all those here saying he’s ‘so much better’, this is proof he’s not.

He thinks people who are alarmed at the influx of illegals crowding out schools, hospitals, jails are all just racists. He doesn’t care that HIS PERSONAL inaction on this issue has cost local tax bases billions of dollars. I can’t wait until local governments begin to sue the feds to recoup the loss.

McCain is just a regular politician who doesn’t really believe anything. He just says what he thinks you want to hear to get elected. . . no different than Obama.

ThackerAgency on September 17, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Breaking News: We’re going to have to fight against amnesty and fence with McCain in office. Film at 11.

He’s not the ideal candidate as we all know. But we’re going to have the same crap with Obama without the tough stance on Iran, Iraq, etc.. And no, having a Democrat in office isn’t going to lead Republicans to fight against it more. Lindsey Graham doesn’t give a damn who is pushing for it.

amerpundit on September 17, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Ay yay yay yay. McCain what are you doing?! There are Latinos that agree on building the fence. I wish he can come to towns that are affected by MS-13 and other gangs!
I am Cuban American and I am screaming mad at how McCain thinks Latinos will jump for joy over this.

jencab on September 17, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Let’s deal with this AFTER we defeat the Obamanation.
SaintOlaf on September 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Agreed, let’s shake on it and prepare our auto-dialers.

Bishop on September 17, 2008 at 4:09 PM

We have to fight McCain tooth and nail on this, after we put him in office.

sigh…

BadgerHawk on September 17, 2008 at 4:09 PM

thirteen28 on September 17, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Agreed.

SaintOlaf on September 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Er, sadly, agreed.

amerpundit on September 17, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Let’s deal with this AFTER we defeat the Obamanation.
SaintOlaf on September 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Here, here – I may not agree with you on many things, but you got your head screwed on straight with that one!

SkinnerVic on September 17, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Shamnesty!!!!!! Easily the most tiresome cliche on this otherwise excellent site. Until and unless that first day’s “comprehensive” bill does not include securing the borders first, as he has promised many times, it’s just flogging a dead horse, once worth 2000 posts per thread, lately worth a lot less. We’ll see how much traffic it gins up this time.

CK MacLeod on September 17, 2008 at 4:11 PM

McCain is just a regular politician who doesn’t really believe anything. He just says what he thinks you want to hear to get elected. . . no different than Obama.
ThackerAgency on September 17, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Very VERY different than Obama, perhaps not fully on immigration, but in areas such as doing his best to keep me from getting blown to bits, yes different.

Bishop on September 17, 2008 at 4:11 PM

This is the kind of crap that will lose everything he gained with Palin……and then some.

Pillock.

LimeyGeek on September 17, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Make it next to impossible for the next 10 million. Probably not popular, but that’s what will likely happen under McCain.

I think you’re right. I don’t think we can stop it now. Honestly, I’ll be OK with that if we can ACTUALLY put a stop to any further invasion.

ImRight on September 17, 2008 at 4:12 PM

pass comprehensive immigration legislation to fix our broken borders to make those once illegal now legal; ensure respect for CHANGE the laws of this country; recognize the important economic contribution of immigrant laborers modern day slavery; apprehend those who came here illegally to commit crimes (except for the initial crime of illegally entering the country); and deal practically and humanely with those who came here, as my distant ancestors did, to build a better, safer life for their families

Did his ancestors cross a river too for social security, medicare, medicaid and a host of other government programs paid for by LEGAL citizens? His distant ancestors didn’t impose a BURDEN on the other legal citizens of America.

How about national security McCain? Do you care that our borders aren’t secure from a NATIONAL SECURITY standpoint? Or does your ‘national security’ credentials end at the Georgian border with Russia?

ThackerAgency on September 17, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Oh oh. Capt. Shamnesty exposed. This is McCain’s number one weakness—well, let’s not forget campaign finance reform. You know, that first amendment little thing?

saved on September 17, 2008 at 4:13 PM

And he is on Univision.
Pandering is ugly but it is something that both sides do, unfortunately.

carbon_footprint on September 17, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Let’s deal with this AFTER we defeat the Obamanation.SaintOlaf

Damn right, and hopefully we’ll get enough seats in the House and Senate to do it.

Tony737 on September 17, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Obama’s bill which he introduced in the Senate on March 7, 2007.

The Citizenship Promotion Act, S. 795’s, primary goal is “to assist aliens who have been lawfully admitted to becoming citizens of the United States.” It does not provide funding to secure the borders or assist in the USCIS’s quest towards efficiency or its capabilities to root out corruption. Instead, Obama’s bill will organize the immigrant community by allotting U.S. $80 million for outreach programs targeted at immigrants and future voters.

In Section 6 of Obama’s bill, costing U.S. $80 million, the Secretary of Homeland Security would “award grants,” to “not for profit organizations” with “experience working with immigrant communities” to “carry out outreach activities,” including teaching English, providing education and citizenship classes, plus provide legal assistance” to applicable aliens towards citizenship and the right to vote. Typically, studies show that immigrant voters vote Democrat.

If passed into law, organizations seeking Obama’s grant eligibility must show, how they plan “to leverage available private and State and local government resources;” their experience “in carrying out the activities, including the number of aliens and geographic regions served; and, …[how] to employ best practices developed by adult educators, State and local governments, and community organizations.” The Secretary of Homeland Security would also “develop outreach materials” such as “public service announcements; advertisements…other media…” to “encourage” applicable aliens to become U.S. citizens.

The Secretary of Homeland Security serves at the pleasure of the President; if elected that would be Obama.

According to barackobama.com, Obama “believes the immigration issue has been exploited by politicians.” If so, then perhaps the U.S. $80 million Obama intends to use to organize the immigrant community towards citizenship, and the ballot box; that would compound the USCIS’s backlog challenges, where it takes years for new applicants to be processed—unless bribed through, might better serve Americans elsewhere; like beefing up the USCIS or securing the borders.

Canada Free Press

Beto Ochoa on September 17, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Meanwhile, Ace has a post about Palin’s yahoo! e-mail getting hacked by the 4chan crew.

carbon_footprint on September 17, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Exit question: You do understand we’re going to see amnesty with President McCain in office, right?

I also realize we’re going to see amnesty with Obama in office. The only difference is the overall rate of descent to Communism.

steveegg on September 17, 2008 at 4:16 PM

keep me from getting blown to bits, yes different.

Bishop on September 17, 2008 at 4:11 PM

because it is absolutely inconceivable that a terrorist might cross this southern border which he claims not to want guarded with a fence to detonate a bomb in a highly populated area. Oh yeah, McCain makes me feel MUCH safer. I’ll still hang on to my wallet a little tighter if McCain gets elected if it’s OK with you.

ThackerAgency on September 17, 2008 at 4:16 PM

It’s a really tough choice, McCain with AMNESTY — Or Obama with Communism and AMNESTY. You choose.

Last time I heard McCain say anything in public he was saying secure the border first … Comprehensive immigration reform after the borders are secured. It might be all hogwash, but he said it.

Around here, the self deport has worked so well, they had to close 80 classrooms because there were no students. The sheriff got trained in ICE procedures and if the stop for any reason, they check immigration papers …

tarpon on September 17, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Your question of course assumes there will be a Vice President Palin to be sullied with President McCain’s policies in the first place. Lets just say, I’ll cross that bridge to nowhere when I get to it. Telephone, postage, stamps and email will be in the ready.

Nyog_of_the_Bog on September 17, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Hey McCain had a townhall today. Any video from that or is it still ongoing?

lorien1973 on September 17, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Talk about picking your poison!!

It’s either McCain with amnesty or Obama with socialism!!

120pages on September 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM

What do you mean “or.” With Obama, you get both.

Count to 10 on September 17, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Reading this excerpt, McCain appears to say that he didn’t vote for something called “the wall”. Then he goes on to say that fences and walls are important in urban areas (which would be the 700 miles already authorized), and that surveillance and interception would be more important in places like the desert of Arizona. I fail to see how any of this contradicts McCain’s vote for and statement that he would build the fence as authorized as you try very hard to imply.

Also, “comprehensive immigration reform” is not the same thing as amnesty. Unless the Democrats can write it and pass it without any Republican support at all, then the two terms will likely be synonymous.

HTL on September 17, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Take your choice, immigration absolutists — stoke the flames of this issue, and get Obama, or back off and get McCain.

Let the rest of us know where you come out so we can decide whether to keep working for the McCain-Palin ticket.

JudetheFossil on September 17, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Let’s see; McCain granting ‘amnesty’(as Reagen did) or Obama negotiating with our enemies. Not sure, tough call, that one.
carbon_footprint on September 17, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Yeah, I’m not sure either. The only thing that I am sure is:

John McCain is a liberal traitor.

and

McCain is just as bad as Obama. For all those here saying he’s ’so much better’, this is proof he’s not.

and

Oh oh. Capt. Shamnesty exposed. This is McCain’s number one weakness—well, let’s not forget campaign finance reform. You know, that first amendment little thing?

and ….. *deep breath* SHAMNESTY!!!!!!!!!!!

wise_man on September 17, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Meanwhile, Ace has a post about Palin’s yahoo! e-mail getting hacked by the 4chan crew.
carbon_footprint on September 17, 2008 at 4:15 PM

What??

Well there you go – she shouldn’t have made her email password ‘ihuntmoose’ or ‘toddisthegr8ist’ or something like that.

wise_man on September 17, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Let’s deal with this AFTER we defeat the Obamanation. – SaintOlaf

Damn right, and hopefully we’ll get enough seats in the House and Senate to do it.

Tony737 on September 17, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you.

McCain needs to get the messege NOW… because once elected he will believe he has a mandate.

If he puts up a bill, with amnesty in it, on his first day of office as he has now stated TWICE, and it passes, it will be the death of the Republican party. Those of us who are independents and Conservatives will no longer trust the Repubs to defend the country.

Romeo13 on September 17, 2008 at 4:22 PM

As an aside (to whom it concerns)…..are any of you aware that your shrill cries of “Obama = Communism” are just as mindless as the lefty cries of “Rethuglicans = Theocracy” etc?

Reality check.

LimeyGeek on September 17, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Hey McCain had a townhall today. Any video from that or is it still ongoing?

lorien1973 on September 17, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Don’t think it starts until 4:30 EDT

Editor on September 17, 2008 at 4:22 PM

McCain is telling the truth, he didn’t vote for the fence. Nobody in the senate did.

The bill was introduced in the United States Senate on May 9, 2007, but was never voted on, though a series of votes on amendments and cloture took place.

RightOFLeft on September 17, 2008 at 4:23 PM

What??

Well there you go – she shouldn’t have made her email password ‘ihuntmoose’ or ‘toddisthegr8ist’ or something like that.

wise_man on September 17, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Yes, and Gawker has images posted of e-mails, contacts, personal photos, etc.
This is outrageous.

carbon_footprint on September 17, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Without Sarahcuda, this would be a one-horse(‘s a**) race….

He keeps doing crap like this, and…..

Keep it simple, shore up the base, highlight the neophyte’s lack of experience, and present simple to understand solutions (making it complex will shoo away Joe Six-pack) is the key, not face-time and counter-productive submissions.

If you want my vote, give me something to vote FOR!

arclight on September 17, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Exit question: You do understand we’re going to see amnesty with President McCain in office, right?

You enjoy sticking your finger in our collective eye. You’re a brute.

Anyway, we’ll just have to gird our loins for the Big Fight this winter.

jaime on September 17, 2008 at 4:24 PM

ThackerAgency on September 17, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Noted, but then again a nation the size of ours with borders the length of ours means someone is going to get in somewhere eventually. Where I hunt in northern Minnesota, you can see right over into Canada across an expanse of ground that I could cross with little difficulty if I so chose; no guards, no towers, no nothing. I found that out one day by bumping into a group of hunters who informed me they were Canadian and hey, welcome to Canada, Bishop.

The terrorists might hop across the Mexican border, or they might decide to drive an LNG tanker into a harbor somewhere, or perhaps destroy an oil rig in the gulf. At least McCain will make it tougher for those savages to do such a thing, instead of bending over for every dictator in sight as Obappy would.

Bishop on September 17, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Don’t think it starts until 4:30 EDT

Editor on September 17, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Thanks. Know if it’ll be live online anywhere?

lorien1973 on September 17, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Hey McCain had a townhall today. Any video from that or is it still ongoing?

lorien1973 on September 17, 2008 at 4:18 PM

7:00 PM EDT according to the published schedule for the McCain-Palin townhall.

http://thepage.time.com/

Lower right.

CK MacLeod on September 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM

A virtual vote for a virtual fence. How nuanced.

moxie_neanderthal on September 17, 2008 at 4:29 PM

So let me get this straight. If he voted FOR the fence then he was lying back then. If he tells Universion “not necessarilly with walls and fences. Although that is important in populated areas, in the deserts of Arizona vehicle barriers, cameras, and sensors, all of those things, can be used.” he’s telling the truth.

Hey AP. How about you wait until AFTER the election (you know, when we can actually do something about it) before posting this crap?

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Yes, and Gawker has images posted of e-mails, contacts, personal photos, etc.
This is outrageous.
carbon_footprint
on September 17, 2008 at 4:23 PM

I hope someone is tried, and if found guilty is sent to ‘federal pound me in the a** prison’ for a long time.

wise_man on September 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM

This is THE reason the base wasn’t excited about McCain until Palin pulled him up.

gmoonster on September 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Exit question: You do understand we’re going to see amnesty with President McCain in office, right? And Vice President Palin’s likely to be cheering all the way.

MY exit question: You do realize with questions like that it really, REALLY makes you look like you’re hoping for Obama to win.

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 4:34 PM

And Vice President Palin’s likely to be cheering all the way.

And if McCain doesn’t? And If Sarah Palin doesn’t?

Then what?

wise_man on September 17, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Many Americans did not believe us when we said we would secure our borders, and so we failed in our efforts.

So he failed in Washington because we didn’t BELIEVE hard enough.

Ohhhhhhh. NOW I understand. He’s like Benny Hinn.

Well, that makes ALL the difference.

MBuck on September 17, 2008 at 4:35 PM

DethMetalCookieMonst You really shouldn’t. I lost that fight. A long time ago. Please don’t make the same mistake I did. You might not like it.

wise_man on September 17, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Frankly, I’ll take Juan McAmnesty over Barack Omarxism. Illegal immigration is a pain in the arse, it bleeds our economy and is frustrating to legal immigrants, but a Marxist Pres with a Marxist congress could ruin it.

AP, do you really want to lose this election?

pugwriter on September 17, 2008 at 4:37 PM

McCain should have said to Univision……..”

“Hell yeah I voted for the enforcement of our borders by building a fence, not a “wall” you stupid fu#k! Just like Mexico does on it’s southern border. We already have all the corruption of your government, we are just trying to slow it down a little…… before the drug cartels take over your 3rd world country. In fact, why the hell am I talking to you? You need to be fixing the problems in your own fu#ked up country and not trying to invade ours. Get the hell out my office!!!”

Now, if Sen. McCain would have said that, he would be at 80% and rising……….

Seven Percent Solution on September 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM

could will

pugwriter on September 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Go ahead, everyone. Ignore these parts of the story. Vote for Obama. I swear I’m a conservative.

-I say we can secure our borders with walls and/or fences in urban areas, and then virtual fences, vehicle barriers

I don’t know what you are exactly what you are referring to.

not necessarilly with walls and fences. Although that is important in populated areas, in the deserts of Arizona vehicle barriers, cameras, and sensors, all of those things, can be used

Also, is there any actually video with McCain’s voice speaking? I believe we are going off of translation here.

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Univision needs to talk with Daddy Yankee, they’re forgetting who’s on their side:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqClEfnX9i0&feature=related

bayam on September 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM

AP, do you really want to lose this election?

Notice Ed doesn’t make any “why you shouldn’t vote for McCain” posts.

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Yes I know that saying Obama will make us a communist nation ignores U.S.Civics 101, but it makes me feel better for a spell.

pugwriter on September 17, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Ace Update: Not Nearly as Bad as I Thought

Update: Commenters point out that McCain didn’t say he wouldn’t build a fence — he says that fences may (or may not, I guess) be appropriate for urban areas, and that cameras and patrols more appropriate for deserts.

I didn’t read it closely enough and jumped ugly based on a loose reading.

My apologies to readers and to McCain.

He’s still dancing on this, but we already knew that. This is hardly new or newsworthy.

powerpro on September 17, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Exit question: You do understand we’re going to see amnesty with President McCain in office, right? And Vice President Palin’s likely to be cheering all the way.

Any sentient being would understand that.

semloh on September 17, 2008 at 4:44 PM

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Ed is the “good cop” this is all a game. Let it go.

wise_man on September 17, 2008 at 4:44 PM

pugwriter on September 17, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Fair enough. I accept an exception for the purposes of venting spleen ;)

LimeyGeek on September 17, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Exit question: You do understand we’re going to see amnesty with President McCain in office, right? And Vice President Palin’s likely to be cheering all the way.

Heartache.

Notice Ed doesn’t make any “why you shouldn’t vote for McCain” posts.

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM

No, but he does post things about McCain that are so filled with praise as to be not taken too seriously. The georgia issue for one.

Spirit of 1776 on September 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Talk about picking your poison!!

It’s either McCain with amnesty or Obama with socialism!!

120pages on September 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM

We already have socialism. GSE’s nationalized. 80% Fed share in AIG. etc., etc., ets.

semloh on September 17, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Ace Update: Not Nearly as Bad as I Thought

Update: Commenters point out that McCain didn’t say he wouldn’t build a fence — he says that fences may (or may not, I guess) be appropriate for urban areas, and that cameras and patrols more appropriate for deserts.

I didn’t read it closely enough and jumped ugly based on a loose reading.

Yay! Finally someone besides myself who realizes that.

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 4:46 PM

God loves John McCain. He gave him Barack Obama.

JiangxiDad on September 17, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Hell, he was rooting for him.

Nichevo on September 17, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Re: The Corner link – how can anyone think the dissolution of Iraq would be worse than the dissolution of America? It boggles the mind.

aengus on September 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM

To McCain nothing is more important than Iraq. Nothing. NOTHING!!!

semloh on September 17, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Ed is the “good cop” this is all a game. Let it go.

Yeah, I know. But sometimes it’s as if AP posts these things, which many take far worse then they should, to convince people not to vote for McCain. It would be one thing if it was AFTER the election, but guess what….still a month and a half left. Us whining about amnesty now won’t do squat. It’s like pissing in your own cereal.

BTW, is he going to be honest on this issue and post this:

Ace Update: Not Nearly as Bad as I Thought

Update: Commenters point out that McCain didn’t say he wouldn’t build a fence — he says that fences may (or may not, I guess) be appropriate for urban areas, and that cameras and patrols more appropriate for deserts.

I didn’t read it closely enough and jumped ugly based on a loose reading.

My apologies to readers and to McCain.

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM

God loves John McCain. He gave him Barack Obama.

JiangxiDad on September 17, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Or maybe God loves Barack Obama as he gave him John McCain. Or maybe God just hates America as he gave America those two to choose from. I tend to lean toward the later theory.

semloh on September 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM

I should also remind everyone that I actually like the fact that AP gets pestamistic. He keeps egos in check. However, posting stuff that he KNOWS will tick off conservatives and make them have second thoughts about McCain/Palin less then 2 months before the election is just wrong. Wait until the day after the elction (no matter who wins) and FLOOD the site with McCain-for-Amnesty stuff. Just makes no sence to do it now unless you want Obama to win.

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 4:54 PM

And Vice President Palin’s likely to be cheering all the way.

Ahhh.. there’s the rub.

As I’ve said from the beginning: here’s hoping she’s the Jefferson to McCain’s Adams on immigration and a whole host of other issues (free speech, cap and trade). If she isn’t, Palinmania will fade to gray.

spmat on September 17, 2008 at 4:56 PM

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM

As a lawyer AP is familiar with the principle Caveat Emptor.

How would ignoring McCain interviews and Spanish-language ads make HA a better news blog?

aengus on September 17, 2008 at 4:57 PM

How would ignoring McCain interviews and Spanish-language ads make HA a better news blog?

So AP has posted about every single interview McCain has ever done for the past year? Somewhow I doubt it.

Besides, this is an opinion blog, not a news-only site. Otherwise we wouldn’t see the commentary all the time by the very people that post the news.

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM

aengus on September 17, 2008 at 4:57 PM

No one is asking for this to be ignored.

This is always the same lame response to any critism that the information is inaccurate (as this turned out to be) or something that helps the other side. Just present it in a fair and balanced way, and none of this ‘you know that Captain Amnesty and his side kick moose hunter Mc Alaska girl will betray all of us great conservatives who were duped by this liberal bastard that disguises himself as a conservative to get the votes!’ BS.

wise_man on September 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM

Ace Update: Not Nearly as Bad as I Thought

Update: Commenters point out that McCain didn’t say he wouldn’t build a fence — he says that fences may (or may not, I guess) be appropriate for urban areas, and that cameras and patrols more appropriate for deserts.

I didn’t read it closely enough and jumped ugly based on a loose reading.

Yes, McCain wants to virtually protect our borders, like he virtually cares about the economy.

trailboss on September 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM

Exit question: You do understand we’re going to see amnesty with President McCain in office, right?

McCain’s position on amnesty is identical to Bush’s. Why should we assume that McCain will have any more success getting amnesty passed than Bush had? Rest assured, as long as neither side will consider a rational compromise, we’ll continue to do absolutely nothing at all about illegal immigration.

RightOFLeft on September 17, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Besides, this is an opinion blog, not a news-only site. Otherwise we wouldn’t see the commentary all the time by the very people that post the news.

Not really. When Bryan was here, AP posted the news and Byran posted the commentary, generally speaking. AP has always served first as a news-aggregate and secondarily as a commenter on it.

Spirit of 1776 on September 17, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Not really. When Bryan was here, AP posted the news and Byran posted the commentary, generally speaking. AP has always served first as a news-aggregate and secondarily as a commenter on it.

Even when Brian was here I saw AP post quite a bit as well.

Let’s see some honesty here. Have him post a correction that he (and others) jumped the gun on this, as has been mectioned here:

Ace Update: Not Nearly as Bad as I Thought

Update: Commenters point out that McCain didn’t say he wouldn’t build a fence — he says that fences may (or may not, I guess) be appropriate for urban areas, and that cameras and patrols more appropriate for deserts.

I didn’t read it closely enough and jumped ugly based on a loose reading.

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 5:06 PM

posting stuff that he KNOWS will tick off conservatives and make them have second thoughts about McCain/Palin less then 2 months before the election is just wrong.

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 17, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Disagree. At least when it comes to this issue, as well as cap and trade and free speech. McCain is as much an enemy to conservatism (and the country, frankly) in these areas as Obama is. More of one, in some ways, as a McCain presidency would imply a bluer Congress, which would ensure the passage of amnesty, CnT and even possibly some watered-down version of the fairness doctrine.

This is why Palin, if she’s a real, rock-ribbed conservative, is so important. If she’s willing to fight her own running-mate in the White House on these issues, if she has the will to come to loggerheads and run maverick to the Maverick, then even in the case of a true-blue Congress, we have a hope of fighting McCain’s leftist tendencies.

spmat on September 17, 2008 at 5:07 PM

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