Shelby on September 18, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Yes, I posted all that. It was simply because people were acting “shocked–shocked, I tell you–” over thinking McCain may have lied in this or another campaign. As for my response to Shelby’s question, notice it’s a non-answer: Shelby asks which I was, and my response just says I’m one or the other. It’s a joke often pulled on me by my boss when I ask an either-or question, and was offered there in good fun to illustrate dancing around a question.

Shelby on September 18, 2008 at 1:02 PM

I would say my “one-issue” mindedness is no worth than that of many pro-lifers or that of flenser on September 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM: “[Illegal immigration]’s the only issue that matters.”

BTW, as I mentioned in my original post, MM’s stance on that issue itself is one I agreed with. And for the record, outside of some of their “non-interventionist” Ron Paul-type foreign policy stances, I also recommend VDare. Looking back on how I phrased it — “her involvement with” — I might have appeared to be criticizing it or casting MM’s connection in a negative setting.

Tommygun – Perhaps AP, MM, Peggy Noonan (sp?) Kra…mer (sp?) and many other conservative commentators truly SEE THAT THE McCAIN / PALIN ticket is a terrible one!

That is a valid opinion, and they have a right to it. It’s one many here do not seem to share, at least not if they are being honest (remember what you said about my discussion of lying). Two points on that: 1. Why not offer that criticism in a more forthright manner?; and 2. It’s the ticket “we” are stuck with, so such criticism now only assists in something far worse in power.

flenser on September 18, 2008 at 1:13 PM

There is far too much truth in that. Nonetheless, I was referring to a far more extreme version, where many of the social pressures brought to bear will appear in law on a wider scale than anything seen since the Soviet gulags. That is my fear from a “President Obama”.

Gun control, illegal immigration, “hate-speech laws”–all these and more can and will be the order of the day under Hussein. As “insufficient”, perhaps in places near the point of politicaly “insufferable” one might believe McCain to be on some of them, Hussein’s agenda would be not merely worse, it would be “unsurvivable.”

Please, everybody: Think about the consequences of your attacks.

McCain’s biggest problem is being associated with the party in power, especially as the financial markets suggest that someone, somewhere dropped the ball.

The “party in power” in Congress is the Democratic Party. I know it’s a closely guarded secret.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/hotline-poll-palins-favorables-declining/#comment-1429680

Make it the smallest, most obscure lie possible (minimize chance of getting caught, minimize damage to your storyline), unless you truly have to go nuclear and lay down a doozy (but that should be a last resort).
Tommygun on September 17, 2008 at 1:08 AM

Are you an expert on lying or an expert liar?
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 1:31 AM

Yes.
Tommygun on September 17, 2008 at 1:36 AM

Perhaps if/when they find themselves in the bizarro America, with a whole new generation of hate-speech and “cultural diversity” laws, coupled with gun confiscation and the denial of all things traditional, they will think back and say (very quietly, and only to themselves), “Uh, maybe that wasn’t such a good idea.”

Dude, you must be about twenty years old, because that bizarro America is here NOW.

One of MM’s signature issues, of course, is illegal immigration and related cultural matters (note her involvement with VDare.com — http://vdare.com/),

It’s the only issue that matters. If the left get their way on that then we’re a Socialist Republic anyway.

Yes, everyone should check out VDARE, one of the best all-round political sites out there.

The Wall Street collapse will hurt McCain more than Obama, notwithstanding Ed’s efforts to tie all of this back to Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.

jim m on September 17, 2008 at 7:20 PM

I’m seeing this nonsense repeated by all the leftybots across the internet – Freddie and Fannie have nothing to do with the current financial problems!

How pathetic.

Tommygun on September 18, 2008 at 6:09 AM

Tommygun – Perhaps AP, MM, Peggy Noonan (sp?) Kra…mer (sp?) and many other conservative commentators truly SEE THAT THE McCAIN / PALIN ticket is a terrible one!

TO THOSE OF YOU WHOSE MAIN CONCERN IS GUNS, SUCH AS TommyGUN, you may be too blinded to see what is fact and that explains your frustration over some speaking the truth–it hurts sometimes. Oh yeah, you’re Mr. Liar expert–so you don’t wanna hear that. Whaaaaa!

I don’t think that the polls are going to be a good indicator of the actual result, if the Republican base turns out to vote in record numbers. Polls assume that turnouts remain balanced in accordance with historical data. The focus of the Republican Party needs to be on remaining energized (or should I say Palinized?) and making sure that record turnouts happen in the historically red States. We need to forget the polls and work on getting the silent majority of more conservative voters to show up in November. If they show up, they will reject the far left solution to our economic woes that is epitomized by the Obama/Biden rhetoric. They will choose the more moderate course that will actually be implemented by McCain/Palin.

NuclearPhysicist on September 18, 2008 at 9:50 AM

Very well put. I would only add to remember the battleground states. We need the electoral votes.

So, does anyone think that the ABC hack job was indeed effective? That’ll probably explain the drop in her popularity. The media will congratulate themselves even more and do even more desperate acts.

As for the canned replies, I think maybe Palin’s views differ from Mccain’s a lot. This is probably the way to stick to the message and she has been good at it considering other campaign members(think Carly Fiorina) have gone off the rails.

promachus on September 18, 2008 at 9:12 AM

Chalk it up to lessons learned. The Gibson interview didn’t help, but it’s nothing fatal. I keep reminding people of the first Reagan-Mondull debate in 1984. Reagan got tripped up regularly. He was badly prepped. But he and the campaign learned, and following Bush-41 “kick[ing] a little @$$” on Ferraro in the VP debate, knocked Mondull to the mat.

As for the canned replies, I think maybe Palin’s views differ from Mccain’s a lot. This is probably the way to stick to the message and she has been good at it considering other campaign members(think Carly Fiorina) have gone off the rails.

Take this CBS poll and flush it down the MSM sewer…

Here is a poll that represents the reality of what is going to take place come November…

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/morrismap/?s=al&promo_code=6AB2-1

Keemo on September 18, 2008 at 8:47 AM

I doubt Oregon is a tossup, but New Hampshire could be turned potentially (but not yet). The rest looked plausible.

Hey, I think the Sarah bounce is gone down a bit because elitists like our own Allah keep throwing cold water at their own party faithful!

It’s amazing that Sarah is keeping up even after all the negative stuff that she is getting from the MSM. Also, I think many conservatives have gotten impatient. We want the moon. This person has been on the campaign less than a month and she is doing wonders in the polls, fund-raising and the campaign trail but no we want foreign policy expertise, we want economic expertise and yadda yadda yadda. And by “expertise” we actually mean that she should have sophisticated conversation with some sophisticated people.

Cheer up. Keep up the excitement because it spreads. Only if we are infected, can we pass the contagion around.

promachus on September 18, 2008 at 8:15 AM

Preach on, brother.

Here is a poll that represents the reality of what is going to take place come November…

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/morrismap/?s=al&promo_code=6AB2-1

Outraised by her well-known Democratic opponent in 2006, Dittman noted, “She didn’t have the support of the party. She did not have the support of labor unions, environmentalists, the oil industry. She did it all by herself.”

Hey, I think the Sarah bounce is gone down a bit because elitists like our own Allah keep throwing cold water at their own party faithful!

It’s amazing that Sarah is keeping up even after all the negative stuff that she is getting from the MSM. Also, I think many conservatives have gotten impatient. We want the moon. This person has been on the campaign less than a month and she is doing wonders in the polls, fund-raising and the campaign trail but no we want foreign policy expertise, we want economic expertise and yadda yadda yadda. And by “expertise” we actually mean that she should have sophisticated conversation with some sophisticated people.

Cheer up. Keep up the excitement because it spreads. Only if we are infected, can we pass the contagion around.

On AP’s happiness at this turn of events:

That’s because I’m a filthy traitor to the conservative cause, Calm. Didn’t you know that? It’s evident in even the slightest critical word I utter, notwithstanding the mountains of abuse I’ve poured on Obama for the last 18 months.

Allahpundit on September 17, 2008 at 6:47 PM

I’m sure you did do so, AP, at a time before McCain got the nomination. But it’s not your “slightest critical word” that’s the problem. It’s your deception. Yes, you are a traitor.

Folks, it appears AP, and indeed MM herself, have adopted the approach of some on the truly far Right that McCain is so bad (read, ticks them off personally) that they actually want Hussein to win the election. The thought on the Right is that a backlash of some sort will occur once Hussein gets in office, and he would be easier for the GOP to resist agenda-wise than McCain.

Ann Coulter took that approach with Hillary Clinton, as I’m sure most remember, but seemed to qualify it with The One, and then almost reversed it with Palin’s pick.

One of MM’s signature issues, of course, is illegal immigration and related cultural matters (note her involvement with VDare.com — http://vdare.com/), perhaps McCain’s weakest “social policy” area. It is probably this aspect of MM (coupled by her departing from them on the Iraq War issue) that has (until now) most endeared her and her efforts to me. However, it seems she let this issue get the better of her judgment. In her article, “Not all is well in GOP land”
(http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/03/not-all-is-well-in-gop-land/), she expressly intended to “dampen your (GOP) convention enthusiasm” by raising (admittedly) valid issues at a time when it would do the most harm to the ticket. (Two of her three main points pertain to the illegal alien cultural issue.) AP’s behavior here has been the same, by and large.

I guess I’m new enough here that I don’t understand, (and it pisses me off) why Allahpundit has to go immediately to the complete negative? I don’t have a problem with truth and facts, but sometimes it seems as though he goes looking for bad news- please enlighten me.

anniekc on September 17, 2008 at 6:38 PM

You are correct, and it pisses me off, too. For someone to seek to maintain sobriety among supporters is one thing. However, when, as with AP’s stupid headline, “Hotline poll: Palin’s favorables declining” (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/hotline-poll-palins-favorables-declining/), someone crafts their presentation to cause the most damage to morale, that crosses into the very same game played by the “anti-war” crowd today–taking the enemy’s side. It would be fair to say they will not be too upset should Hussein win.

AP and MM: By operating from this flawed mindset, by focusing more on the issue itself rather than operating from trying to promote the agenda you have regarding the issue, you have acted with self-defeating disregard of the country. Your insistence on ideological purity, your seemingly unbridled willingness to “cut off your nose to spite your face”, and your immature focus in this entire campaign have made you no better than Carly Fiorina. In fact, you are worse. She is just a woman scorned. You are actively hoping to see McCain-Palin lose for policy reasons.

Hotair has been a successful site trafficwise, I’ve been led to believe. But of course, it can only do so much damage. Will it be enough? Have AP and MM delivered the election to someone who WANTS to take your guns, and who WILL so alter the society defended by MM’s friends at VDare as to make America a categorically different country than it has ever been since the original “V-Dare” (look it up)?

Perhaps if/when they find themselves in the bizarro America, with a whole new generation of hate-speech and “cultural diversity” laws, coupled with gun confiscation and the denial of all things traditional, they will think back and say (very quietly, and only to themselves), “Uh, maybe that wasn’t such a good idea.”

Of course, it’ll be too late then.

It’s not too late now, though. Think about it.

Harpazo on September 18, 2008 at 12:11 AM

Well put, Harpazo. Not to mention Obama can’t talk without his teleprompter so he will sound like the blithering idiot he is. McCain will eat his lunch.

We have a presidential candidate who knows jack sh*t about how the economy works and was nominated because he was a POW.

We have a vice presidential candidate who knows jack sh*t about how the economy works and was chosen because she is a woman.

AND THESE ARE THE REPUBLICANS!!!!

The democrats are supposed to suck, but the republicans are supposed to be about ability.

We deserve to lose.

Disagree? then bite me.

Roger Waters on September 17, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Roger – Spot on! Both the Pub and the Dem candidates are JOKES! The pubs should have known better!

This election is like 2000. It’s helping my prayer life. It’s either time for continued blessing or it’s time for judgment from God. Elections matter.