Bounce gone: Obama back up by two over McCain in Gallup
posted at 2:05 pm on September 17, 2008 by Allahpundit
There’s no proof that it’s tied to the market downturn, although Gallup has a hunch. If they’re right, I wonder if we haven’t already seen Maverick peak. Gulp.
The good news? Looks like America isn’t racist today. Whew!
Today’s report includes two days of interviewing conducted after reports of the collapse of Wall Street financial institutions and changes in the stock market began to dominate the news on Monday. Gallup Poll Daily tracking data show that in each of these individual days (Monday and Tuesday) consumer ratings of the U.S. economy have become more negative. Similarly, in each of these individual days’ interviewing, Obama has led McCain in election tracking. There is thus a correlation between the bad financial news and Obama’s gains, although the data do not allow us to conclude definitively that there is a causal connection between the two. Throughout the campaign, Obama has generally held an edge over McCain when voters are asked who could best handle the U.S. economy, although McCain gained on the economic dimension in polling conducted immediately after the GOP convention.
It’s The One’s first lead since the day after the GOP convention, although McCain still has a (steadily dwindling) edge in Rasmussen. Both polls are within the margin of error. There’s a CBS poll out tonight that should delve into subcurrents; I’m curious to see if the ‘Cuda is, in fact, becoming a bit of an anchor. Current pessimism level: Six, a three-point drop from last week, indicating resignation to defeat — but not by disastrous, party-smashing margins!
Update: Curiouser and curiouser: Hotline’s tracking poll still has Obama in front, but his lead on the economy issue dropped six points overnight.
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McCain/Palin will win.
Even if Obama were 20 points ahead (where history tells us he should be right now) I still wouldn’t be worried.
Obama is a radical liberal. The media loves him, the people aren’t quite so enamored. Also, Obama is quite agitated right now so he’s just making things up left and right…it will catch up to him.
Dorvillian on September 17, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Bring the debates please. I can’t handle this rollercoaster.
Geronimo on September 17, 2008 at 2:43 PM
I think we are seeing a change of heart from Olaf….
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Aunt Esther doesn’t sell well….she’ll be unleashed after the election…
sven10077 on September 17, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Obama finally has a punching bag (economy/wall st) to hit rather shadow boxing hope-n-change.
McCain needs to get back to body blows that will wear Obama out in the later rounds.
moxie_neanderthal on September 17, 2008 at 2:45 PM
I think you people are missing things. Obama counterattacked. He came out firing. It has been no stop Palin bashing for two weeks. McCain made a couple of mistakes, Wall street has tanked 700pts this week. And yet Obama is only up 2 pts. Basically a tied election. Obama should be up by more. McCain will counterattack. I think this is the Gibson bounce.
Also do not forget the Bradley effect. some pollsters think it could be as high as 4-6% in the polls. Bottom line as long as the polls are in the margin of error, it can be assumed that McCain is at least tied. We have 45 days to go 4 debates. We have Biden on our side. The terror attack today will remind people of the threat.
This is not over yet.
The battleground states of OH, PA, MI are still very close.
No not done yet by a long shot. I have felt a shift in momentuem since last Friday. Obama quit attaking Palin and started going after McCain. McCain will fight back.
unseen on September 17, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Anyone who thinks the debates are going to propel McCain into a huge lead is crazy. Liberals don’t care about anything The Lightworker says, they only care about his deep Morgan Freeman-like voice. He could recite the phone book and the Kos Kidz would wet their pants.
Speedwagon82 on September 17, 2008 at 2:48 PM
I would still like for Sarah to say, on the Record in media, to Obama… Obama, I am not running for President, so the attacks on me are frugal at best.
Then see what happens!
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 2:49 PM
I said that earlier and I say it again. People are nervous about the financial situation. They don’t like Obama very much, they blame Bush for the situation too, they don’t know if they can trust McCain on this issue (thank you very much Carly Fiorina) so you have Obama up 2 points. Lets see if it holds, goes up or it levels again.
McCain camp made a few mistakes too.
First they tried to milk too much the Palin effect while the media was good enough on riasing doubts about her; second they didn’t take any advantage of the Charlie Rangle situation and didn’t start on pounding on economy and energy independence last week. Now its catch up time one again. But not all is doomed. Look at the Yemeni situation. That can play well for McCain. We’ll live and see.
clemycali on September 17, 2008 at 2:50 PM
As folks begin to see the “real” barracuda and the novelty wears off, it is no surprise the McCain/Palin team is dropping in the polls.
As an Indy, I am repulsed each time I see the photo of Polar Queen holding up the bloody moose she killed. Granted we’re seeing less of this now. The extreme righties need to realize that not all voters are drawn to this “vision”. She also supported the killing of wolves by plane. The video of a wolf being shot from a plane and rolling as he was dying in the blooding snow, was sickening. That Polar Queen and other hunters just look the other way at the inherent cruelties of hunting disgusts me.
Imagine how most folks (unless hunters) feel when they see the photos at the Anchorage Daily News of the motherless baby caribou, one still trying to nurse from its decomposing mother!, after the massacring of over 100 caribou!
Such a hunting FINATIC as barracuda mostly only helps with the far right “choir”. It’s revolving to the rest of us and thus McCain/Palin are bound to loose votes from both Indys and animal-lovers because of this. Check out the pics of the calves–be sure to click “more” under the small photo to see both enlarged photos of the babies. If seeing this and thinking about it DOES NOT affect you, then I feel very sorry for you.
http://www.adn.com/wildlife/story/478088.html
p.s. Not that it has ANYTHING TO DO WITH HUNTING but it’s always the first comeback from hunters, yes, I am pro-life!
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Druge says Obama has a 2 min. ad buy on the economy. Where are the McCain ads. They should write themselves! Obama was in the tank for Fannie and Freddie and the Dems killed all the reforms Reps tried to get passed.
McCain cannot let the Dems fool people into thinking that the Dems didn’t cause this! A
And Obama’s part in all this needs exposed!
petunia on September 17, 2008 at 2:52 PM
We need some ads, folks, right now. Hang Johnson and Raines and all the FNMA/FHLMC money, and Lehman’s bundlers, and the Countrywide-tainted Senate leadership, around Obama’s neck, right now.
This should have come out within 24h of the “lobbyists” ad from Obama. That was Sunday night, at least in PA. Now it’s even more important.
DrSteve on September 17, 2008 at 2:52 PM
The MSM agrees. I hear they have already written their commentary on why McCain came off as slow, old and confused while Barry was smooth, articulate and a masterful debater.
Pop Quiz? What’s shorthand for a masterful debater?
fogw on September 17, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Geeze, so cynical. Turn that frown upside down, will you?
R. Waher on September 17, 2008 at 2:53 PM
“What’s shorthand for a masterful debater?”
A jerk off?
mylegsareswollen on September 17, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Wuh, your not a concerned christian? Astroturfing is so last week.
lorien1973 on September 17, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Thanks, Moby.
DrSteve on September 17, 2008 at 2:54 PM
It’s sad, but what on earth does that have to do with Palin?
Slublog on September 17, 2008 at 2:54 PM
So would a make a difference if it was a fish? or a freaking Carrot I am holding up by grabbing it by it’s stock and ripping it from the ground?
Are you FREAKING Serious!
You do not LIVE in Alaska so you have no clue as to what you are talking about. You don’t understand the laws nor do youhave any idea how the regulations go! Most “orphaned” animals are due to Hunters… unless you think of the hairy variety. it is more the type of Hunter whom hunt illegally!
Get a grip, go AWAY, or sit down and STFU… Ugh… you lipstick carmex wannabe wearing liberal carrot crapper!
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Ha. Got to remember that one.
Slublog on September 17, 2008 at 2:57 PM
And FYI Shleby. Those Caribou WERE Illegally Hunted and the Native Village whom did it are UP for a HUGE lawsuit.. via the State, the Federal and even environmentalists. You moron!
Research before you spew… and buy some astroturf… you seem to poop on the floor more then a non-house broken puppy.
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 2:58 PM
They are futile, indeed.
She’s definitely not an anchor.
Spirit of 1776 on September 17, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Ooohhhh sooooo that’s who Aunt Esther is….. Michele O.??
Guess I missed it. I was wondering who Aunt E. was.
Don’t mind me, sometimes I need a nudge.
tru2tx on September 17, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Allah, I can’t say I buy into polls as much as I do endorsements from people – they say more. Take for instance the one I got today with our company:
WDPAC Endorses the McCain-Palin Ticket
(For the lay person, this is the National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors)
SkinnerVic on September 17, 2008 at 3:00 PM
I find that absolutely arousing.
Sir Andrew on September 17, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Hey NODonkey
Because when you rob from Peter to pay Paul Paul will vote for you. There are a lot of Pauls in the democratic party and the One wants to make a lot more and if he does say goodbye to the good ol USA.
amex on September 17, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Very little. But we know that images do not necessarily need to be tied to candidates in any truthful way to be effective tools against them. I don’t know if Shelby’s writing in good faith or not, but it is unwise for conservatives to brush this kind of stuff off as inconsequential.
Big S on September 17, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Oops.
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:01 PM
There is a major difference between getting a lead and then holding it. Once they got the lead they stopped. Frankly I and anyone that I know that is following this campaign Obama looks tougher and more ready to fight then McCain.
McCain is unwilling to fight back and go negative. He has some delusion that the media will point out the lies and errors of Obama.
Guess what?
They won’t.
Jdripper on September 17, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Caribou sausage? Try it with carmalized onions, mushrooms and a dash of garlic salt and paprika! You will be in heaven!
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:02 PM
That’s a killer screenname.
PMS or bee stings?
fogw on September 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Go back to your Obama bomb bunker. You messiah ain’t a coming!
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM
I partially agree with you. McCain campaign lost some time last week not pounding on Obama on economy, on drilling, on energy independence. We’ll see but certanly this is not a good news.
clemycali on September 17, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Palin’s not running an Alaskan campaign any more. Your plea towards some kind of cultural moral relativity may not play too well in places where McCain-Palin needs to win votes, and where people, as you said, do not understand the “need” to hunt like that. It’s unlikely that they will come around to your position by election day, especially with the emotionally charged pictures the opposition will deploy. I fear that the “Palin: Hunter Queen” persona is an electorally damaging one for conservatives to play up.
Big S on September 17, 2008 at 3:06 PM
I got sumthin’ you can “gulp”, Allah ( and Shelby and other Leftard Trolls )
Wait until the debates, when O has no teleprompter and the American people will see what they’re voting for.
Janos Hunyadi on September 17, 2008 at 3:08 PM
It’s the economy stupid.
BUT
Listen to how stupid Democrats sound about the economy. Yet they’re still up in the polls.
The reason for this is our lackluster engagement of the populus on economic issues. This guff McCain is spouting makes conservative fiscal policies sound ridiculous.
The inimitable Carly Fiorina notwithstanding, can we get someone to speak intelligently on these pressing issues on our behalf.
Tucker Bounds ….ugh…
The Race Card on September 17, 2008 at 3:09 PM
BigS are you seriously blind or stupid? Why don’t you read what Shelby posted then look at the article she posted. Then come back and tell me again about hunting.
If you don’t like the fact that I am talking about my State, in which many don’t have a clue about, then it is your probelm not mine. And since I didn’t say ONE WORD about Palin… maybe you should get off your high horse and review what I wrote.
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Huh, what does being a Christian have to do with the barbaric nature of hunting?! And, I am a Christian, NOT THAT THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS!
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:10 PM
I see this as a normal thing. The battle lines are drawn. McCain would be a fool to go after CA, NY, or any northeast states. Bottom line, national polls don’t matter right now, state polls do. Ohio, Missouri, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and maybe Michigan matter most. New York is going to get bluer, so is California. I don’t care if Obama wins by 10 or 50 in California.
Matticus Finch on September 17, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Do you eat meant? Do you drink or eat dairy products? Do you wear leather? Do you eat eggs? Do you use corn in anything? Do you use soap, especially the fancy types? Do you like fast food, which includes Subway? Do you like soup?
FYI.. many different “food stuffs” use animals as a preservative, addition and a taste imporvement (which includes medicine) for many of the items you eat… which includes Organic… I.E. Cow Crap!
Research…. seriously!
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:15 PM
In times such as these I always turn to the Maha Rushie. El Rushbo has said Obama has to be up by 10 or more to win and he also warned us that if these polls showed McCain down not to be surprised and it could be with some pollsters a way to get us down.
I agree with the ones here that have said McCain has not fought back hard enough in the past two days. Rush today was screaming about McCain not hitting back on issues where he should be able to hammer THE ONE’S little head. Here is hoping things change ASAP!
freeus on September 17, 2008 at 3:15 PM
I don’t know anyone who cares that Palin hunts. Worrying about abusing animals by hunting them when the vast majority of those who hunt do it for food is definitely an elitist position. Everyone I know hunts and eats what they kill. It may make liberals feel better to buy their meat in a supermarket pre-packaged, so they can pretend they are more enlightened because they didn’t kill the animal themselves, but it still has to be killed before it reaches the store. At least when you hunt your own food you know the kill was quick and as painless as the hunter could make it. When you get the pre-packaged stuff you have no idea how that animal was treated.
church on September 17, 2008 at 3:18 PM
People really like to hunt in MI, OH, PA, WI, MO. They understand perfectly.
My M-in-L is a big Defenders of Wildlife fanatic but don’t think she didn’t keep a gun loaded for predators when they lived up in the hills outside Placerville CA.
DrSteve on September 17, 2008 at 3:18 PM
It was an illegal hunt and the article doesn’t mention Palin at all. Shelby’s point seemed to be Palin hunts too, so somehow the massacre and her hunting are related.
Nonsense on stilts.
Slublog on September 17, 2008 at 3:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTCgWpDNyjI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXFV00CN7oc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxzgn4fj4vw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9HUdF9OZa8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgHg6QheTfw
With the first video- a Republican would be kicked out of America! The fact that obama is still in the election is beyond disturbing!
christene on September 17, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Last week McCain/Palin was up by 5. McCain/Palin has been falling at the rate of a point a day, and what is on the horizon to stop this descent? Nada.
jay12 on September 17, 2008 at 3:18 PM
…oh, boo-hooooooooooo….
…boo-bloody-hoo for Bambi and Thumper and all your wildwood pals…
…they’re herbivores…they’re prey.
Politically motivated human interest photos in newspapers aside, humans are only marginal predators in the wild, even in Alaska. The local carnivores outstrip them, where such animals exist…and they usually take Bambi before they take Bambi’s mommy because they don’t run as fast…or they take Bambi’s granny…or Bambi’s lawyer or his agent or his yoga coach or his organic chef (hopefully)….
…and this is if they’re lucky….
If they don’t run into the obliging redneck like me, rifle in hand, or Mr. Canis lupus out for some fastfood before a movie, Mom Nature takes over…and, as all of us who’ve spent more than a summer shower’s time outside can tell you — and as the folks down the road from me in Galveston can attest — Momma Nature is a bitch-on-wheels.
If even the slightest little thing is wrong with ol’ Bambi, one little defect or handicap, and soulful liquid eyes or not the hammer comes down like…well…a hammer.
If Bambi survives long enough to grow anters and get a drivers license, they may again be visited by Momma N. when she forgets to whack enough back last spring, and also stop by Sam’s Club to buy enough vegetation in bulk, comrade Bambi becomes the decomposing caribou in the weepy human interest pic…
…he could throw caution to the winds and begin browsing next to the highway and become your next hood ornament, or an uninvited passenger in your front seat via the windshield….
…the hunting pics were shown to portray Sarah as something different. When a bozo urban journalist, obviously visiting Wasilla and maybe Alaska for the first time to consult with what I’m sure he thought were the local “color”, he quoted one as saying that she could field dress a moose…and then went about telling his readings what the term field dressing meant, knowing that his public on the other end of the wire service had no earthly idea.
Alaska is a different place than, say, Berkley…Sarah having a big-ass pelt in her office or standing next to a dead quadraped is a sign of that.
That was sort of the point. Clearer now, spunky?
Puritan1648 on September 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM
Oh, and on the hunting thing: God (or god, if you’re Allah)put Moose here for us to eat. Only 2.5% of the US population is vegetarian. Hunters are far less barbaric than the folks that make your fried chicken.
Matticus Finch on September 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM
Shelby:
I love nothing better than a really good filet… yum.
As far as this recent round goes, we watched McCain go nowhere for some time while Senator Obama rose like a rocket untouched. Then came the “celebrity” ad. Wham! You would have thought someone had shown pictures of Senator Obama killing puppies.
That whole thing reminded me of fishing offshore… watch the fish take the bait, calmly get the rod out of the holder, put on the fighting belt, get situated and then BAM! Set the hook. Senator Obama has only been hit with the celebrity ad… not much else. I think those with the better OODA loop have the line back in the water and are currently watching the fish take the bait.
Think about all the places Senator Obama can be hit vs what you have seen happen so far. There are 7 weeks left. Why open your kimono now? Let him rise. Knock him down a bit. Repeat process until the proper time comes to hit him hard. I also don’t think the Democrats stand to be the only ones with an October surprise.
CC
CapedConservative on September 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM
upinak…get over yourself! You know nothing about me and telling me to go back to Obama is another BORING Zzzzzz canned reponse from the righties! I can’t stand EGObama, btw, NOT THAT THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BARBARIC NATURE OF HUNTING (beyond Alaska, upinak–Moron!).
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:20 PM
hunting from a plane or copter is done with few licenses. It’s only done to cull potential menaces and to pare down a herd which is encroaching on human areas and can become dangerous.
If I could find out this information, even a blind, deaf and dumb liberal can.
Oh wait……
JP1986UM on September 17, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Hey you guys, check out Polar Queen’s speechwriter’s article about hunting. He’s a conservative, btw….
http://www.matthewscully.com/sportsman_politics.htm
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM
If seeing this and thinking about it DOES NOT affect you, then I feel very sorry for you.
http://www.adn.com/wildlife/story/478088.html
p.s. Not that it has ANYTHING TO DO WITH HUNTING but it’s always the first comeback from hunters, yes, I am pro-life!
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 2:52 PM
___________________________________________________________
I love animals, but Abortion & Terrorist affect me more.
christene on September 17, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Vegan? Killing something barbaric? Of course it is. However, I find that I was born an omnivore and, after having some fruits and vegetables, the only way I can get good meat is either to behave in a barbaric manner myself or, if I find that too icky, pay someone else to do it.
CC
CapedConservative on September 17, 2008 at 3:26 PM
The only thing that counts now and until the election is state by state…national polls now mean nothing.
They were important during the selection process…but the Pres will be determined state by state, not the popular vote.
right2bright on September 17, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Hey, liberal carrot crapper. I hunt, I fish.. I am also an Alaska. you didn’t read the article, you are blaming someone who has nothing on that hunt of Caribou that was done illegally and you are an insane liberal.
You are the idiot who started this. Get your facts straight or leave. Simple as that.
And BTW.. Caribou don’t range that far south usually. MN, WI and sometimes MI get a few… but not normal. So other then Alaska.. where do Caribou roam? Canada… Hmm Upper BC, Yukon, Northern Territories, Nunavet.. and into Northern parts of Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba…
Hmmm I really don’t think you know anything about Hunting or how Animals migrate or travel. Research! No, really … RESEARCH!
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Have you read Scully’s book? He’s not opposed to all hunting.
Slublog on September 17, 2008 at 3:26 PM
It’s mostly done to keep the wolves from eating the caribou so the hunters can have fun killing them. C’mon, you know it’s true!
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:26 PM
You’re completely ignorant of the centrality of the hunt to Alaskans’ way of life. Subsistence and predator management are major policy issues up there, because they affect people’s dinner tables.
Wait ’til you find out what they do to marine mammals!
DrSteve on September 17, 2008 at 3:27 PM
From Shelby’s Link: http://www.matthewscully.com/sportsman_politics.htm
Shelby thinks the Caribou were hunted with M-16′s and AK-47′s LMFAO! HAHAHAAAA!
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Like I said, ignorant.
Way of life. Alaska is not the local Safeway, ok?
DrSteve on September 17, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Hmmm blubber!
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:30 PM
upinak…get over yourself! You know nothing about me and telling me to go back to Obama is another BORING Zzzzzz canned reponse from the righties! I can’t stI juand EGObama, btw, NOT THAT THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BARBARIC NATURE OF HUNTING (beyond Alaska, upinak–Moron!).
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:20 PM
I just love libs who put animals ahead of people. My family actually hunts to put food on the table. To you that may be cruel to my family that is surviving. I have moved away from the area my family lives in and hunt rarely now, but believe me should the need arise I will kill to eat. I work for a corporation that gets these nutty calls from animal activists groups, especially PETA. I actually had to listen to one in a meeting where one of these PETA nuts calld to see if we tested on animals. We gave our standard reply and she launched into a tirade and actually stated that she refused to give her cancer sticken husband the cancer drugs he needed because they were tested on animals. Now that is cruelty and insane. Be kind to animals but let your husband die so an animal can live.
Now that’s what I call compassion. Not.
church on September 17, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Matt is OPPOSED TO MOST HUNTING BECAUSE OF THE CRUELTIES INVOLVED.
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:31 PM
no he isn’t and that link you provided is over 4 years old.
Got anything else there, Shelby!
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:32 PM
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Slublog on September 17, 2008 at 3:18 PM
This hunting stuff is coming up in the context of Palin’s candidacy, and outside groups have already started running ads about it. Whether or not a single incident was legal or illegal is not really the issue here. It all comes back to practices (legal ones) that Palin supported but many Americans who do not “understand” Alaskan issues will find barbaric. I’m talking, of course, about the aerial hunting stuff, which Shelby mentioned specifically in his/her post.
Big S on September 17, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Again, have you read the book? Scully is opposed to non-essential sport hunting and so-called “farm hunting.” He draws a moral distinction between that type of hunting and those who hunt for food.
Slublog on September 17, 2008 at 3:33 PM
If you google propostion 3… it was banned.
And if you want to defend this nut who can’t get her information straight. Go ahead… as I will now stick you in the same catagory as everyone else that is that insane. Troll comes to mind.
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:34 PM
This thread proved to me something I had suspected for a while and was just given the reputation of a scientific study: a vegetarian diet will shrink your brain!
:-)
newton on September 17, 2008 at 3:34 PM
And which has exactly squat to do with the story posted.
Slublog on September 17, 2008 at 3:34 PM
I’m not overly concerned. I still have McCain pegged at 53% when all is said and done. And yes, there are still racist people in this country. Blacks favor Obama in huge numbers simply because he is black. Many whites will never vote for him because he is black. The question is how many of them are there? I still feel that a good chunk of Hillary Clinton supporters were the bitter hicks that Obama sneered at because he knows many of those people will never vote for him.
grdred944 on September 17, 2008 at 3:35 PM
ever feel as though you are talking to a wall?
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:35 PM
More likely tied to Wonder Woman’s gloss starting to wear thin.
Tav on September 17, 2008 at 3:35 PM
I live in South Florida… come on down and let me anchor off Boca Grande Pass and let you take a swim with some of the local sea life and move down the food chain a couple of notches. Ask Mr. Hammerhead or Mr. Bull Shark if he is being cruel? He is not. He is doing what he (she) was designed by God/nature to do, just as humans that eat what they kill. I have cats that have grown from kittens…. how cute. Now they kill things. Sometimes they eat them… sometimes they do it just for fun. Are we clear Dr. Doolittle?
CC
CapedConservative on September 17, 2008 at 3:36 PM
I care about ALL OF God’s beings! I would not protest anyone hunting if they had no other means to feed their family! Some people hunt to meet quotas–kill hundreds of animals and you get a trophy or status. Sick!
I am not a lib, btw, NOT THAT IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BARBARIC NATURE OF HUNTING I am a right-leaning pro-life Indy.
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM
I don’t know why are we talking about the fact that Sarah Palin is a hunter. Who cares. Whom ever eats chicken breasts know for sure that it didn’t grow like this on trees. So yes, animals are killed in order for us to eat. If you don’t like it you can ve a vegetarian or a vegan. The problem here is the financial situation and the very weak reaction of McCain camp to it.
clemycali on September 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM
I think it has more to do with the fact that McCain went off the offensive this week, and off-message. He did well when he was forcing Obama to respond to him.
Slublog on September 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Actually hunting is a sanitary operation if its done properly. Other way you’ll get an overpopulation. And I love animals and I can’t hurt one.
clemycali on September 17, 2008 at 3:39 PM
CC – Uh, I doubt Mr. Hammerhead or Mr. Bull Shark can jump in the car and go to the grocery store for some pasta! Hello!!!! Humans have choices, animals DO NOT!!!
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Amen. Yes thats the cause combined with some blunders (Carly Fiorina comes to my mind) and the unexpected situation on Wall Street. Hunting is not a story here.
clemycali on September 17, 2008 at 3:41 PM
you are a PWSIN: Person with special interests in Animals. Which means you would rather help an animals then a human. You do realize this is a pyschological issue. You do need help!
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Please don’t make a full of yourself. Be a vegan if you care so much of animals but let other people to eat meat. And by the way, I like to wear furs too. I must be a cruel person.
clemycali on September 17, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Am I the only one getting the Obama/DNC ad?
Typhonsentra on September 17, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Considering the unrelentingly negative non-stop coverage the McCain campaign has been getting, it would be more surprising if it didn’t affect the polls. It would be nice to think that McCain/Palin can transcend the media entirely, but it’s a little overly optimistic — especially when a collective media assault is combined with an astroturfing juggernaut in full swing. I’ve lost count of the sleazy emails that have been forwarded along to me by my liberal acquaintances.
JM Hanes on September 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM
As I stated above, hunting is done ALSO FOR STATUS AND TROPHIES! And if man were not killing off natural predators, such as the wolves in Alaska, there would not be over-population of the “lower” animals.
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:46 PM
care about ALL OF God’s beings! I would not protest anyone hunting if they had no other means to feed their family! Some people hunt to meet quotas–kill hundreds of animals and you get a trophy or status. Sick!
I am not a lib, btw, NOT THAT IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BARBARIC NATURE OF HUNTING I am a right-leaning pro-life Indy.
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM
I care more about God’s creation, MAN. I don’t agree with cruelty to animals for the sake of it. But when you don’t live in an area where it is essential to hunt you don’t know what you are talking about. The idea that there are just millions of people out there killing animals for the thrill of it is insane. There are many types of cruelty committed against human beings every hour of every day. They rank higher for me. You can exhaust all your energy defending animals I will defend the people that are abused everyday. Maybe if you used your energy helping the people in need you might be able to head off some of the small number of people who hurt animals. Ever think of that. Because if people are hurting animals for the thrill of it odds are probably pretty good they were mistreated at some point. Or you could just go start a march to prevent pharmaceuticals from developing life saving drugs for people so you can prevent them from harming animals. The hell with the people. By the way an Independent is just a weak minded person who can’t make a concise decision. That’s worse than a lib, they may be wrong but at least they know what they believe in.
church on September 17, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Well I don’t know about you all… but Shelby is about as dumb as a rock… and that is being rude to rocks.
She obviously doesn’t understand fluxes concerning wildlife. But then again.. i don’t expect her to understand much living in a city.
She has been trolled.
upinak on September 17, 2008 at 3:50 PM
A ‘Cuda that rises quickly, just as all the other things of nature that are born and grow rapidly, cannot have roots and ramifications; the first stiff breeze blows them over.
semloh on September 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM
No would be a wolves overpopulation. You are hopless.
clemycali on September 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM
How can one “make a full of themselves”?
And yes, if you wear furs simply because you like to, then you are a merciless caveman/woman. I’m sure fur-bearing animals love giving their skins to you by means of being hung alive (does less harm to the pelt) electrocuted in the anus, etc! Yeah, you’re a real sweetie…
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Okay, now that I got all the hunters panties in a wad, I’m outta here. Places to go, things to do.
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:52 PM
I don’t hunt.
Slublog on September 17, 2008 at 3:53 PM
I blame McCain playing the victim. Perhaps not the only factor, but probably a significant one.
OneGyT on September 17, 2008 at 3:54 PM
I live in South Florida… come on down and let me anchor off Boca Grande Pass and let you take a swim with some of the local sea life and move down the food chain a couple of notches. Ask Mr. Hammerhead or Mr. Bull Shark if he is being cruel? He is not. He is doing what he (she) was designed by God/nature to do, just as humans that eat what they kill. I have cats that have grown from kittens…. how cute. Now they kill things. Sometimes they eat them… sometimes they do it just for fun. Are we clear Dr. Doolittle?
CC
CapedConservative on September 17, 2008 at 3:36
I once saw that dumbazz Pam Anderson on the Bill Maher show and she actually said Man is the only animal that hunts for sport. She should come to my house and sit on the porch while my cat torments the hell out of a mouse before killing it then walks away from it. I guess that wasn’t sport. But for the life of me if it wasn’t I can’t figure out what it was cause he didn’t eat it.
church on September 17, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Then humanely dispatch them.
Ta ta…
Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 3:54 PM
I think Bush/Cheney are going to have to cancel the election with martial law after all.
SlimyBill on September 17, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Mc Cain needs to strike back with out mercy if he wants to have a chance to become the next President.
pukara61 on September 17, 2008 at 3:56 PM
This is more concerning than the Zogby poll, but I still have confidence that Johnny Mac is going to eat The One’s lunch on the 26th and beyond.
Red Cloud on September 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Well, then, it’s three agin’ the One. Should be a cakey-walky.
trailboss on September 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM
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