Pakistan to U.S.: Cross our border again and we’ll blow you out of the sky

posted at 3:42 pm on September 16, 2008 by Allahpundit

The perfect excuse for me to re-link Hitchens’s piece yesterday in Slate reminding The One how much rhetoric he’s devoted to telling us where the “real terrorists” are and what he’s prepared to do to go get them once he’s free and clear of that irksome Mesopotamian distraction. Here’s his chance: Not only won’t Pakistan address the problem, they continue to actively aid and abet the enemy. So now we’ve taken matters into our own hands, in fulfillment a promise Bush made two years ago but refrained from taking seriously until now. Which brings us to today’s news. Quoth Hitch: “American liberals can’t quite face the fact that if their man does win in November, and if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said, it means more war, and more bitter and protracted war at that—not less.”

Of course they can face it. They simply don’t believe he’s serious.

On the eve of a meeting with the top U.S. military commander, Pakistan upped the ante in its standoff over U.S. troop incursions, saying its soldiers had orders to open fire on American troops if they crossed from Afghanistan on raids…

A Pakistani military spokesman said Tuesday that the nation’s troops have been ordered to open fire if U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan launched another raid inside Pakistan, raising the prospect of a clash between Pakistani and U.S. forces on the border. Pakistani military officials have repeatedly emphasized that they consider such incursions — made permissible for U.S. troops by secret orders issued by U.S. President George W. Bush in July — to be a violation of territorial sovereignty.

“No incursion will be tolerated anymore,” said Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, chief military spokesman. The prospect of allies fighting each other as they hunt down Islamist militants still appears remote, given the Pakistani government’s desire to receive billions of dollars in aid from the U.S. But the repeated warnings against U.S. troop raids reflect the strong anger felt among Pakistan’s senior ranks that the U.S. is overstepping its bounds with a close ally.

Adm. Mullen’s in Islamabad as I write this, hopefully giving them an updated version of Armitage’s alleged warning to Musharraf after 9/11. I can only assume Abbas’s statement is pro forma tough talk designed to save face with the public after the U.S. raid two weeks ago, not unlike Maliki ushering the U.S. towards the door with an eye to Iraq’s eventual provincial elections. Surely the Pakistanis understand what the consequences would be if America’s hit again by an attack planned in their country; better to let us deal with it quietly now if they’re unwilling or unable to, lest events ultimately require a more “vigorous” response. In the meantime, though, since the 18 different permutations of the Bush Doctrine are suddenly in vogue among the media, how about this for a question at the next pressers given by Obama and McCain: Does the doctrine promulgated after 9/11 about holding states responsible for acts committed by the terrorists they harbor still apply? That was the rationale for knocking the Taliban out of power in Afghanistan, after all. What are we to make of Pakistan’s “protective custody” of the Taliban now, then?

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War sucks, but I’m all for blowing the crap out of this so-called ally. They have done nothing to help us, they are not trustworthy. They sure as hell better not shoot a single US soldier, or else they will experience their own shock & awe.

cannonball on September 16, 2008 at 6:10 PM

I wonder if Hans Brix is crafting a sternly worded letter at this very moment…

cannonball on September 16, 2008 at 6:11 PM

I say to treat this like the cops treat high-speed chases. If the pursuit starts in Afghanistan and the terrorists cross the border, continued pursuit (and deadly force) is authorized.

We can also thank Pakistan for selling Iran some nuclear technology, along with North Korea. Some ally, huh?

RMCS_USN on September 16, 2008 at 6:18 PM

If they want to act that, I say we should level them. If they still want to talk sh!t, then we should crater them.

cjs1943 on September 16, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Big talk from a military that can’t even control their own AOR. Is that suppossed to scare our service members? I’m sure they’ll quake in fear later when they have some down time…

Hog Wild on September 16, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Oldnuke on September 16, 2008 at 4:53 PM

True. Must be time for me to take another nap.

TooTall on September 16, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Cross our border again and we’ll blow you out of the sky

…said the locust to the eagle.

labrat on September 16, 2008 at 6:34 PM

I hope they start shooting at us. We can kill more of them that way.

Tim Burton on September 16, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Strange that the Pak military is totally incapable of finding or killing terrorists and the Taliban but their Army can suddenly appear where we are operating and be close enough to bring fire on our troops?

Whatever. As long as we don’t hamstring our guys and let them rain hell on anyone who fires a shot in their direction or locks on our aircraft.

George Friedman of Stratfor wrote a great book a few years ago in which he said straight out that we’ll eventually have to go into Pakistan to get to the heart of this matter.

Pakistan’s ISI is up to their eyeballs in the problem and there is no easy solution but ignoring some basic facts doesn’t make them go away.

moxie_neanderthal on September 16, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Oldnuke on September 16, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Foolish applies. I’m Crystal Palace was not amused.

BobMbx on September 16, 2008 at 7:15 PM

I’m sure Crystal Palace was not amused.


BobMbx on September 16, 2008 at 7:15 PM

The thing is I think,

is that our kills in Pakistan have been with ” Predators ” right?

It gives the Paki gov cover while we fly over their brave army and kill the punks.

Sonosam on September 16, 2008 at 7:34 PM

This reeks of Vietnam ROE. If we see ’em, kill ’em.

Mojave Mark on September 16, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Strange that the Pak military is totally incapable of finding or killing terrorists and the Taliban but their Army can suddenly appear where we are operating and be close enough to bring fire on our troops?

moxie_neanderthal on September 16, 2008 at 7:07 PM

This should actually make military operations easier, since there is no need to worry about hurting the Pakistani military.

The fact that their military is in the area but not attacking terrorists would be enough reason to take them out.

On the other hand, if the Pak military is unable to control these areas, then US military operations actually SUPPORT Pakistan’s sovereignty there.

Right_of_Attila on September 16, 2008 at 9:07 PM

And so the gauntlet is tossed. Much of the world waits to see what the once allmighty USA will do…

Will we back down?

Will we halfheartedly lob a few explosives their way and call that good?

Or will we bomb, strafe and missile that arrogant bunch of goat herders into the Stone Age?

Dark-Star on September 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Not sure yet, but this could actually be very good news. In order to shoot at us, the Pakistani military actually has to be on the border.

This could just be Pakistan loudly complaining “oh…ok. I guess we have to move our troops to this region to protect our sovereignty. We’ll happen to have troops stationed in this lawless pseudo autonomous region, but really we are just trying to protect our sovereignty. Wink . Wink .”

Of course, we’ll find out soon enough whether this is the case if attacks continue under the Pakistani millitary’s noses.

BryanS on September 16, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Much funny rhetoric, here. The NY Times and their usual treachery –

“Heavens! What can possible have gotten into that cowboy Bush, that he would attack an ally like Pakistan! On what legal grounds can he possibly think he stands that he would cross their border?!”

– is trumped only by the hilarious Pakistani military clown –

“If they cross the border, we’ll shoot ’em.”

Oh, really. God bless your silly azz if you fire a shot.

Jaibones on September 16, 2008 at 10:15 PM

I think that this is nothing more than Mr Ten Percent wanting his … erm ten percent.

OldEnglish on September 16, 2008 at 11:10 PM

B-52 strikes. Multiple B-52 strikes in the tribal territories. That’s the only thing that will solve this problem.

fleiter on September 16, 2008 at 11:47 PM

Oh Hell, just reprogram a few satalites and move the borders on our GPS units. Problem solved.

N4646W on September 17, 2008 at 2:17 AM

Well, we can now starting listening to all of those who have been yelling for years that “Iraq is a distraction,” and “More troops in Afghanistan,” and “There real war is over there (pointing to Pakistan,” and “Get bin Laden (again, pointing to Pakistan) – and they are now going to start complaining: “Where’s our allies?” – “That warmonger Bush” – “We need to sit down and talk with these folks,”

and yadda, yadda, yadda . . .

seanrobins on September 17, 2008 at 7:36 AM

Action: Obama undermines Bush in Iraq.

Consequence: Bush undermines Obama’s plan to stroll into Pakistan for bin Laden.

“Its better to burn out, than to fade away” –> Since Obama will castrate the US anyway, and since the Dems are planning to turn it into a Socialist’s paradise, lets go out with a bang I say. Take out the bastards in NK, Iran, and Syria. Tell China to take their favorable trade partner status and shove it, and then stroll into Pakistan and take out bin Laden. After that, I’m moving to Alaska.

Geministorm on September 17, 2008 at 12:25 PM