McCain ad: “Enough is Enough”

posted at 4:35 pm on September 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

John McCain’s new ad moves back to the issues, and addresses the financial crisis dominating the headlines. It also moves away from Palinmania and inside baseball in the election and projects an image of strength and leadership, two qualities in which McCain already has a large edge over Barack Obama in recent polling:

JOHN MCCAIN: The economy is in crisis. Enough is enough. I’ll meet this financial crisis head on.

Reform Wall Street. New rules for fairness and honesty. I won’t tolerate a system that puts you and your family at risk.

Your savings, your jobs … I’ll keep them safe.

ANNCR: Experience and leadership in a time of crisis.

The mood of the nation has changed, and the McCain campaign has shifted quickly to a more serious tone. Given the complicated nature of financial-market reform, neither candidate can squeeze much detail in their TV spots on this topic.  The best either can do is use broad themes to assure nervous Americans that they can deal with a crisis and have a plan for resolving it and preventing more financial meltdowns.

In that sense, both campaigns could have put out this particular ad.  The question, though, really isn’t about reforming Wall Street, but instead reforming Washington.  This crisis started because of government interference in lending markets, and it will repeat until government learns to stop dictating lending policy and avoid guaranteeing lenders.

Which campaign truly gets the problem?  We probably won’t guess it from the spots they produce over the next few days, so McCain and Sarah Palin will have to make sure they make it part of their stump speeches.  McCain got it right in his two Wall Street Journal essays, and he needs to keep explaining it on the campaign trail.

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ctmom on September 16, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Excellent, I was afraid it was part of “advise and consent” remarks. If there is video it would be great.

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Mercy4Me:

Bush needs to defend himself. But I think he believes that a lot of that is just useless in the long run. look at Nancy’s response. She just denies any responsibility for anything.

Terrye on September 16, 2008 at 5:19 PM

McCain makes the case that the fundamentals of the economy are good. I would certainly agree with that conclusion, because there is little data out there that would seriously contradict such a conclusion. He also states that regulatory reforms will be needed. Considering that poor policies and regulatory actions by Pres Clinton and Congress got us into this mess in the first place, regulatory reform will be needed to correct the politically-driven deficiencies that got us to this point. If McCain is talking about this type of regulatory reform, we should all welcome it.

NuclearPhysicist on September 16, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Terrye on September 16, 2008 at 5:19 PM

She is just trying to save her butt. Heck Terrye, you were in (might still be) Realestate… you KNOW San fran is taking a dive concerning houses right now.

upinak on September 16, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Mc Cain needs emphasize the poor performance of the democratic run congress and blame them for the state of our economy.

pukara61 on September 16, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Mercy4Me:

Bush needs to defend himself. But I think he believes that a lot of that is just useless in the long run. look at Nancy’s response. She just denies any responsibility for anything.

Terrye on September 16, 2008 at 5:19 PM

I honestly think Bush cut a deal with the dems. He would allow their policies to move forward in exchange for Impeachment to be off the table.

It a MAD policy (Mutually assured Destruction) that holds each other off from going nuclear.

William Amos on September 16, 2008 at 5:23 PM

This message feels empty . . .just like Obama’s, it lacks substance.

McCain needs to get specific by showing what went wrong and then how it will be corrected.

How much time does McCain think he has to get serious?

heroyalwhyness on September 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM

The foundation of the economy is solid. capitalism works you idiot trolls. Its the greedy money brokers and the like that screw it up for everyone. BURN THEM TO HELL! Or at least prosecute them.

Mercy4Me on September 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Having survived the 1980′s as an investor, this and other recent panics seem like bumps in the road compared to the Carter years.

Although I know many people are hurting today, this is relatively mild. The Carter years were very rough for the whole country, it took many years to recover.

Loxodonta on September 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Hmmm… troll…. same technique as how you just copy/pasted my name and used “quote”! WHOA!

So either you don’t wanna share your sources because you are afraid it will back fire in your face or the fact you are just an idiot on a wild streak.

And BTW I use links for quite a few things. But I am asking YOU for Links. You spew, you link…. jerk!

upinak on September 16, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Sure are a lot closed minded and whiny bossy people around here today with some of them even getting very name calling and even outright hysterical. Of course this has become The Circlejerk Name Calling Elementary School Cafeteria™ after all, so what should anyone have expected. Some of you here really need to look in the mirror and grow up to at least something resembling adulthood.

KentAllard on September 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM

upinak:

I got out of real estate a few years ago. I hated it to tell the truth. {the stories I could tell}

But yes, Nancy Pelosi’s husband has made a huge fortune off of real estate in California.

Terrye on September 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Kent:

Speaking of whiny and bossy all the hell anyone ask you for was a link.

Terrye on September 16, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2008 at 4:54 PM

That IS my opinion, you are a troll, and i will continue to treat you like one….

stlpatriot on September 16, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Sure are a lot closed minded and whiny bossy people around here today with some of them even getting very name calling and even outright hysterical. Of course this has become The Circlejerk Name Calling Elementary School Cafeteria after all, so what should anyone have expected. Some of you here really need to look in the mirror and grow up to at least something resembling adulthood.

KentAllard on September 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Project much?

lorien1973 on September 16, 2008 at 5:27 PM

I am not usually big on Congressional Hearings and I understand market corrections but if we could spend weeks on steroids in baseball it seems like we could look at this. Unfortunately it could never happen before the election. And the Dems would stand in the way. Can we all yell a few rounds of Enron and Haliburton for old times sake.

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM

KentAllard on September 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM

And all you had to do was give a couple links. I guess you seriously need to get out more in the world! LOL.. loser.

upinak on September 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM

I disagree with the impeachment issue. but I do believe that being able to say that more “minorities” are home owners in his last couple of big speeches made him appear to be simpithetic to the “cause”

But in 2003 Bush did try to pass regs. for freddy and fanny and the Dems. said no. So what the hell, lay the blame on them. make them answer why they didn’t want regs.

Mercy4Me on September 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Terrye on September 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM

You could always come to Alaska :)

upinak on September 16, 2008 at 5:30 PM

lorien1973 on September 16, 2008 at 5:27 PM

I thought the (TM) was funny…

upinak on September 16, 2008 at 5:30 PM

Weak response McCain is being beaten death and he responds back weakly.

He should have come out today and given a basic economics lesson. I would have had him being as condescending as possible towards Barack Obama. He had the perfect opportunity to hit Obama twice and would not do it.

First of all come back and say, “yes Barack Obama, the fundamentals are sound. In case you are not aware of it this is no longer “Fortress America’. We are in a global economy. The basics of any economy is unemployment ours is 6.1% compared to Europe and Asia at approximately 10%. The second fundamental is job loss/gain and we have lost 600,000 jobs compared to Europe and Asia which has lost almost 5,000,000. Third is productivity and we lead the world in that.

Mr. Obama I believe in the United States and that our workers will overcome and outproduce every other country on this planet. You sir, believe only in Government regulations.”

Second what the Hell was with this commission idea? That was too dumb for words. No what he should have said was that the first thing he would do is have his Attorney General bring in a special prosecutor and prosecute every individual involved in this who broke the law. IF these CEOs want their golden parachutes then that is fine they can spend it all on lawyers.

Attack your opponents where they feel the strongest. All he is doing will be perceived as “me too”.

Jdripper on September 16, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Can we all yell a few rounds of Enron and Haliburton for old times sake.
Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Please, no. I’d rather focus on solutions to the problems that caused this panic, and then, even better, on ways to grow the economy.

Loxodonta on September 16, 2008 at 5:32 PM

McCain implicitly trashes Bush once again to make a hole in the ballot line to run through. Of course, he leaves out the part where he is just as complicit in allowing Wall Street to run amok as anyone else in D.C. Way to go, Mav! /s/

Fletch54 on September 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM

KentAllard on September 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM

“Circle jerk”? That’s YOU, Kent-boy: That’s you to a “T”

Your get dumped on continually here, and it’s likely to Keep on Coming–not because we’re all the names you call us, but because your ideas are wrong, ignorant, and hyper-partisan. You’re not smart, not well-educated, and you don’t know Jack Sh+t about anything worthwhile

You BELONG at HuffPo, Kent-boy; they’re everything you are, and less

Janos Hunyadi on September 16, 2008 at 5:34 PM

So according the Obamists, we should elect Fannie Mae’s favorite senator to resolve these issues?

BTW, isn’t that kind of like giving the Democrats Congress in 2006 because energy prices were too high?

18-1 on September 16, 2008 at 5:36 PM

KentAllard on September 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Whenever the “your so immature/childish/middle school/elementry school/infantile” charge is thrown out there we know you’ve got NOTHING. And may I point out to you that yesterday when some new poster wanted HotAir to ban many of the contrarians, a great many stood up for you guys. It was awesome!

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Loxodonta on September 16, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Sorry, wasn’t clear, it was rhetorical.

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Here is the link that KentAllard would not give.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 5:40 PM

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:38 PM

I missed that one I guess.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 5:40 PM

I kind of figured …. but I wanted him to do it! Geez…

upinak on September 16, 2008 at 5:42 PM

I’m not aware of anything Senator McCain has done to contribute to this panic. However, I do know there are strong links between the companies involved and the Obama campaign. Also, this happened when Democrats were in control of Congres, and what oversight have they done regarding this sector that has been helpful, other than to their own campaign coffers?

In order to grow the economy, we have to have open markets, competitive businesses, and make sure people keep as much of the money they earn as possible. But, Senator Obama is opposed to free trade, wants to increase business taxes, and increase individual taxes. We do not need 4 more years of Jimmy Carter. Please.

Loxodonta on September 16, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Sorry! Was just joshing with you!

Loxodonta on September 16, 2008 at 5:43 PM

this happened when Democrats were in control of Congres, and what oversight have they done regarding this sector that has been helpful, other than to their own campaign coffers?

Not only did they not provide oversight, they blocked Bush’s efforts to increase scrutiny over Fannie and Freddie.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 5:44 PM

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Obama comparing this to a depression is a joke! We have GROWTH, people! 6% unemployment, NOT 35%! Wake up, and look around. NBC/CBS/ABC/CNN are poisoning your minds!

marklmail on September 16, 2008 at 5:45 PM

upinak on September 16, 2008 at 5:42 PM

It was yesterday, I wish I could tell you which thread and for some reason I couldn’t get the site last night. But it was great, folks taking up for Alphie and the likes. Brought a tear to my eye.

Loxodonta on September 16, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I thought so but I just thought I would make sure.

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:45 PM

From the NYT–almost 6 months ago on March 23, 2008 just after Bear Stearns collapsed:

WASHINGTON — As Congress and the Bush administration struggle to contain the housing and credit crises — and prevent more Wall Street firms from collapsing as Bear Stearns did — a split is forming over how to strengthen oversight of financial institutions after decades of deregulation.

The administration and Democratic lawmakers in Congress agree that the meltdown in credit markets exposed weaknesses in the nation’s tangled web of federal and state regulators, which failed to anticipate the effect of so many new players in the industry.

In Congress, Democrats are drafting bills that would create a powerful new regulator — or simply confer new powers on the Federal Reserve — to oversee practices across the entire array of commercial banks, Wall Street firms, hedge funds and nonbank financial companies.

The Treasury Department is rushing to complete its own blueprint for overhauling what is now an alphabet soup of federal and state regulators that often compete against each other and protect their particular slices of the industry as if they were constituents.

But the two sides strongly disagree about whether, after decades of a freewheeling encouragement of exotic new services and new players like hedge funds, the pendulum should swing back to tighter control.

One central battle is likely to be over tightening supervision of the risk-management practices of Wall Street investment banks and perhaps requiring them to keep higher cash reserves as a cushion against unexpected trading losses.

The Democratic proposals would subject Wall Street firms to the kind of strict oversight that banks have had for decades. If firms like Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch were required to set aside substantially bigger capital reserves, they would have that much less available for lending, trading and underwriting new securities.

Wall Street firms played a central role in packaging and financing trillions of dollars in high-risk home mortgages, and the losses tied to those mortgages are at the heart of the deepening crisis in the financial markets that has pushed the economy to the brink of a recession.

“You need regulation that is adequate to the scope of innovation and to the scope of activity,” said Representative Barney Frank, the Democrat of Massachusetts who is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.

Mr. Frank said last week that Congress should consider creating a new regulator — or giving the Federal Reserve greater powers — to oversee all financial markets and intervene when necessary.

Mr. Frank, saying that government had failed to keep up with the explosion of new financial instruments, said regulators needed to re-examine capital reserves, risk-management practices and consumer protection without regard to whether companies were commercial banks, investment banks or nonbank mortgage lenders.

“You do it right, and it’s pro-market,” Mr. Frank said in an interview. “Right now, we have an investors’ strike going on, and restoring investor confidence is a top priority.”

But industry groups warn that heavy-handed regulation could dry up investment capital just when the economy needs it most.

“If we don’t tread very carefully on restructuring a very complex financial system, we might stifle the necessary animal instincts of a free market,” said Mark A. Bloomfield, president of the American Council for Capital Formation, a business advocacy group. “Every day, the cries of populism grow stronger and could trample good economic policy.”

Wall Street firms have also been major contributors to both political parties, and they are certain to oppose tough new restrictions. The Treasury Department appears torn.

On the one hand, Treasury officials say they are convinced that today’s regulatory system is fragmented and out of date. The Treasury secretary, Henry M. Paulson Jr., has talked about the need to re-examine capital requirements for financial institutions.

But both President Bush and Mr. Paulson, a former chief executive of Goldman Sachs, remain philosophically opposed to restrictions and requirements that might hamper economic activity.

jim m on September 16, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:45 PM

alphie.. are you kidding? That was a tear of… laughter right?

upinak on September 16, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Not only did they not provide oversight, they blocked Bush’s efforts to increase scrutiny over Fannie and Freddie.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 5:44 PM

Democrats in Congress were more interested in their own campaign contributions and pet projects, than they were in protecting our country. Just like the Democrats have ignored the dangers to our economy & national security by encouraging energy dependence on foreign oil.

Loxodonta on September 16, 2008 at 5:48 PM

I thought so but I just thought I would make sure.

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:45 PM

It’s always nice to meet a lady with good manners. That was very kind of you.

Loxodonta on September 16, 2008 at 5:51 PM

upinak on September 16, 2008 at 5:48 PM

LOL! Hard to believe but it was real. This person actually made a list of people who had replied to either Alphie, J_Gotch(no sure if that’s right)and severl others of the usuals. Demanded that they stop replying to them AND told Ed and Allah to ban our regular annoyances. It did not sit well with a many, you know that nasty free speech thing.

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:55 PM

But both President Bush and Mr. Paulson, a former chief executive of Goldman Sachs, remain philosophically opposed to restrictions and requirements that might hamper economic activity.

jim m on September 16, 2008 at 5:47 PM

If you’re looking for a smoking gun that ain’t it champ. The problem was not “economic activity” it was a partial support of the housing market with a federal safety net and insistent gaming of risk analysis.

Keep trying.

sven10077 on September 16, 2008 at 5:55 PM

LOL! Hard to believe but it was real. This person actually made a list of people who had replied to either Alphie, J_Gotch(no sure if that’s right)and severl others of the usuals. Demanded that they stop replying to them AND told Ed and Allah to ban our regular annoyances. It did not sit well with a many, you know that nasty free speech thing.

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 5:55 PM

I was doing file maintenence but yeah pretty funny.

Free speech is there primarily to allow political idiocy to make itself well known.

I welcome Drywall, Ralphie, Gucci and the others….

keeps me up to date on the idiot leftoid talking points.

sven10077 on September 16, 2008 at 5:57 PM

sven10077 on September 16, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Not that the site doesn’t get a work out disagreeing with folks that they mostly agree with but the people here are smart and funny. I like that. Talking points and tactics of the left are very interesting.

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2008 at 6:01 PM

Wall Street firms the Democratic Party played a central role in the packaging and financing of trillions of dollars in high-risk home mortgages, and the losses tied to those mortgages are at the heart of the deepening crisis in the financial markets that has pushed the economy to the brink of a recession.

Fify, jim m.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 6:07 PM

This message feels empty . . .just like Obama’s, it lacks substance.

McCain needs to get specific by showing what went wrong and then how it will be corrected.

How much time does McCain think he has to get serious?

heroyalwhyness on September 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM

I agree, and McCain’s voice over sounded wimpy. He needs fire in his belly!

ihasurnominashun on September 16, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Talking points and tactics of the left are very interesting.

I’ve never found their dopey cut-n-paste jobs very interesting myself. They’re like Uhbama who can only read from a teleprompter.

Can you imagine if George Bush gave all his remarks on the campaign trail reading from a teleprompter, how they’d shriek about his stupidity? Imagine Palin only reading from one?

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 6:11 PM

The investment banks that collapsed owned a bunch of collateralized debt obligations related to sub-prime and other mortgages, as well as credit swaps and other instruments. They also then leveraged the hell outta themselves to juice the net return to them.

As far as I can tell, they didn’t have in their inventory a bunch of actual mortgages originated by the Fannies.

jim m on September 16, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Hank Paulson and Goldman Sachs deserve a ton of credit for gettig out of this marjet before it crashed and taking some heat over it from investors and shareholders. Not all the boardrooms on Wall Street were filled with greedy idiots; but some were and they’re now paying the price.

Barney Frank was right about one thing, when he said this is an investors strike and the system needs some bigtime reform to convince investors to come back. It is not healthy for the economy to leave all mortgage lending to a handful of huge banks; but they are the only ones with funds to lend right now. And almostv all mortgages being written now are government-insured FHA loans, which is not good for the taxpayers either. We need private capital to return to mortgages but the system needs restructuring to make it transparent and make it reflect the true risk of all products and derivatives being sold.

This really should not be a partisan issue as to what needs to happen going forward. Most major financial reforms through our history have been very bipartisan affairs. But it has always proven difficult for Congress and regulators to stay ahead of the innovations in the free market. The trick is to guide those innovations without either stifling them or allowing them to run amok.

rockmom on September 16, 2008 at 6:15 PM

As far as I can tell, they didn’t have in their inventory a bunch of actual mortgages originated by the Fannies.

If that is what you can tell, then I suggest that you broaden your research horizons beyond the pages of the NYT.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Talking points and tactics of the left are very interesting.

I’ve never found their dopey cut-n-paste jobs very interesting myself.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 6:11 PM

At times, I find them interesting as part of my ongoing misanthropological studies. However, they do get very repetitive & inane (McSame!), and can interrupt an interesting discussion with “four more years of the same tired . . .”

Loxodonta on September 16, 2008 at 6:22 PM

I welcome Drywall, Ralphie, Gucci and the others….

Up to a point, so do I. But I’d prefer the place not be taken over by those sort of people. The comments section can be ruined very quickly that way.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Here’s from the WSJ, Flenser. You’ll see actual mortages (as opposed to insuring mortgages) are only a small part of AIG’s problems:

Why is AIG in crisis?

1) CDS: Unlike most other insurance companies, AIG plunged into the market for credit default swaps, which are contracts that act like insurance by protecting investors against default in a range of assets, including subprime mortgages and corporate bonds. Swap buyers make regular payments to sellers like AIG, who in turn have to make payouts if a default or bankruptcy occurs. As the risk of default on the assets has increased, AIG has had to write-down the value of the protection it sold and post collateral to its counterparties.

2) MORTGAGES: AIG also has other businesses that are exposed to the troubled housing market, including a unit that makes mortgage loans to consumers and a unit that promises to make payouts to lenders if a borrower can’t pay the mortgage.

3) INVESTMENTS: Like any insurance company, AIG funnels premiums paid by policyholders into myriad investments aimed at generating profits to fund future claims. Amid the upheaval in the markets, some of those investments have fallen in value.

jim m on September 16, 2008 at 6:28 PM

“The fundamentals of our economy are strong.”

Isn’t this just pandering if he honestly believes what he said yesterday?

an_abstraction on September 16, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Since you seem to be such a goddamn expert on the subject, why don’t you share with us what the ‘fundamentals of our economy’ are and what kind of shape you think they’re in??

Is the reform McCain talking about be applicable to the ‘fundamentals’?

Or, could it be, that you just like chiming in with inane, moronic posts culled from the economic whiz kids at Kos and DU???

Obama is speaking out on the current mess going on right now..’It’s all Bush’s…oh, and now McCain’s..fault. Pander? Everything out of Obama’s mouth is pure pander.

It seems to me, most of the pieces I’ve seen on the subject of Fanny & Fred pretty much tell the same story…Any attempt to overhaul the oversight and regulation of them was blocked by the Democrats…..You know the ones that keep showing up at the top of these nifty little lists we keep seeing…

Imagine that

BigWyo on September 16, 2008 at 6:39 PM

You’ll see actual mortages (as opposed to insuring mortgages) are only a small part of AIG’s problems:

Golly!

Given that AIG is an insurance company it hardly seems surprising that mortgages did not play a large role in that companies problems. But if you look at Bear Sterns, for instance, the situation is rather different.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 6:41 PM

drywall = troll

Please Do Not Feed the Trolls

/Zookeeper

ex-Democrat on September 16, 2008 at 6:46 PM

Dick Polman???

Dick has been a frequent guest on C-Span, MSNBC, CNN, NPR and the BBC. He covered the 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2004 presidential campaigns.

Wow…who do you suppose he’s got his money on??

BigWyo on September 16, 2008 at 6:55 PM

flenser, here’s from Lehman Brothers’ earnings release last week. You’ll see the exposure to commercial real estate, not residential real estate, was where their most significant problem was. The Fannies aren’t involved in commercial real estate.

Significant Reduction in Residential Mortgage and Commercial Real Estate

Lehman Brothers took several steps to significantly reduce its real estate portfolio in the third quarter. The Firm reduced its residential mortgage exposure by 31% to $17.2 billion. Further, Lehman Brothers is formally engaged with BlackRock Financial Management, Inc. to sell approximately $4.0 billion of the Firm’s UK residential mortgage portfolio and expects to complete the sale within the next few weeks. Pro forma for this transaction, the Firm’s residential mortgage exposure is expected to be reduced by 47% to $13.2 billion. Lehman Brothers also reduced its commercial real estate exposure by 18% in the third quarter from $39.8 billion to $32.6 billion.

Spin-Off of Commercial Real Estate Assets

The Firm intends to spin off to its shareholders $25 billion to $30 billion of its commercial real estate portfolio into a separate publicly-traded company, Real Estate Investments Global (“REI Global”), in the first quarter of 2009. The spin-off of REI Global will strengthen Lehman Brothers’ balance sheet while preserving the value of the commercial real estate (“CRE”) portfolio for shareholders.

jim m on September 16, 2008 at 6:57 PM

drywall = troll Canadian Troll

Please Do Not Feed the Trolls,Eh!

/Zookeeper

ex-Democrat on September 16, 2008 at 6:46 PM

Might as well keep things in the open…

BigWyo on September 16, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Jim seems quite anxious to change the subject from Freddie, Fannie, and who they contributed money to. I’m not inclined to play along though.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 7:05 PM

I’d like to think it’s no secret who Lehman Brothers contributed money to. In case it is – it’s the Democrats. Chris Dodd in particular. Obama has made out pretty well also.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 7:10 PM

The real answer is that the Democrats received 57% of the contributions and the Republicans received 43% associated with Freddie Mac and Freddie Mae over the last twenty or so years. See http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

Total Contributions: $4,844,572
Total by PACs: $3,017,797 (62% of total)
Total by Individuals: $1,826,775 (38% of total)

Total Contributions by Party
(Percentiles are relative to total contributions to specific party divided by total contributions)
Democrats: $2,770,352 (57%)
Republicans: $2,045,720 (42%)
Independents: $28,500 (1%)

PAC Contributions by Party
(Percentiles are relative to total contributions done by PACs to specific party divided by total contributions done by PACS)
Democrats: $1,547,249 (51%)
Republicans: $1,458,798 (48%)
Independents: $11,750 (less than 1%)

Individual Contributions by Party
(Percentiles are relative to total contributions done by individuals to specific party divided by total contributions done by individuals)
Democrats: $1,223,103 (67%)
Republicans: $586,922 (32%)
Independents: $16,750 (1%)

Total Contributions to Democrats
(Percentiles are relative to total contributions to Democrats by PAC or individuals divided by total contributions done to Democrats)
PACs: $1,547,249 (56%)
Individuals: $1,223,103 (44%)

Total Contributions to Republicans
(Percentiles are relative to total contributions to Republicans by PAC or Individuals divided by total contributions done to Republicans)
PACs: $1,458,798 (71%)
Individuals: $586,922 (29%)

Total Contributions to Independents
(Percentiles are relative to total contributions to Independents by PAC or Individuals divided by total contributions done to Independents)
PACs: $11,750 (41%)
Individuals: $16,750 (59%)

jim m on September 16, 2008 at 7:19 PM

The “real answer” to what question?

C’mon, jim! show us you are capable of something other than cut-n-pasting stuff from other sites.

Oh, and how about you figure out how to make a link? If we inbred rednecks can do it, surely a super smart liberal like yourself can manage it.

I’ll even give you a hint. Look at the top of the box where you input text.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Top individual recipients of Freddie and Fannie money, 1989 -2008.

1. Dodd, Christopher J, D-CT
2. Kerry, John, D-MA
3. Obama, Barack, D-IL

And uhbama wss only there for a few years!

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Maybe some quick reasons how this will be done? Platitudes are for the Dems.

Grafted on September 16, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Uum, flenser, I did include the link.

jim m on September 16, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Top individual recipients of Freddie and Fannie money, 1989 -2008.

1. Dodd, Christopher J, D-CT
2. Kerry, John, D-MA
3. Obama, Barack, D-IL

And uhbama wss only there for a few years!

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 7:29 PM

No. Obama was 2nd. See following:

Name,Office,State,Party,Grand Total,Tot.PACs,Tot.Indiv.

Dodd, Christopher J S CT D $165,400 $48,500 $116,900
Obama, Barack S IL D $126,349 $6,000 $120,349
Kerry, John S MA D $111,000 $2,000 $109,000

It looks to me like we need to have some investigation into how Obama got to be in 2nd place in only 2.5 years in the Senate.

Those are numbers for 19 years back. It took 19 years for Dodd and Kerry to get to where Obama got. That looks pretty darn suspicious to me.

What was going to be the pay back for all that contributing? Government bailout, but they couldn’t hold it together long enough? Pardons when some criminal activity comes to light?

Why would they give so much more to Obama than anyone else? Looks like Chicago corruption to me.

petunia on September 16, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Obama was number one in individual contributions! Something is up with that.

petunia on September 16, 2008 at 8:08 PM

“Individual” contributions means contributions by individual employees of the two companies. 95%+ of Obama’s contributions were from individual employees.

Most of the contributions to GOP types seem to be from Political Action Committees.

jim m on September 16, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Not only did they not provide oversight, they blocked Bush’s efforts to increase scrutiny over Fannie and Freddie.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 5:44 PM

Democrats in Congress were more interested in their own campaign contributions and pet projects, than they were in protecting our country. Just like the Democrats have ignored the dangers to our economy & national security by encouraging energy dependence on foreign oil.

Loxodonta on September 16, 2008 at 5:48 PM

We can’t really blame the whole thing on either party. Bush was always talking up “the ownership economy” and it was a good idea. I think lowering the credit standards was not that bad of a thing.

I think the whole thing went south not so much on lack of credit checking but with the ARMs. The ARMs are what led to inflated house values.

If you can buy a house four times the size with the same payment why wouldn’t you do that? Especially, if CW tells you that the price will continue to raise indefinitely. It sounds like a dream investment. You get a great house, better than you ever thought you could afford, plus it is making you money.

Then that new interest rate hits and pow…no equity, can’t make the new payment and presto chango bad loan. It is a shame the breaks weren’t put on soon enough. Because I like the idea of “the ownership” society. And think that should still be a goal. But no adjustable mortagages!

petunia on September 16, 2008 at 8:21 PM

“Individual” contributions means contributions by individual employees of the two companies. 95%+ of Obama’s contributions were from individual employees.

Most of the contributions to GOP types seem to be from Political Action Committees.

jim m on September 16, 2008 at 8:11 PM

It is easier to get political favors if you are an individual than a PAC. Or at least the benefit is more personal. And before you ask, I absolutely think Obama has made promises. He worked his way up in CHICAGO!

petunia on September 16, 2008 at 8:23 PM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2083758/posts

McCain saw this coming, tried to do something and the Democrats stopped him!

CCRWM on September 16, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Then that new interest rate hits and pow…no equity, can’t make the new payment and presto chango bad loan. It is a shame the breaks weren’t put on soon enough. Because I like the idea of “the ownership” society. And think that should still be a goal. But no adjustable mortagages!

petunia on September 16, 2008 at 8:21 PM

a lot of sorta capitalists I guess….

a person who takes out an ARM is betting rates will go down, and in fact they may have especially if your ARM started in say 1979 on a 30 year note, BUT a person who takes on an ARM when rates are 4.5% is taking a BIG gamble.

Not my or anyone’s fault when it comes up lemons.

sven10077 on September 16, 2008 at 9:16 PM

McCain did indeed try to block this in 2005. I see a great campaign ad coming.

Right from the start.

Mojave Mark on September 16, 2008 at 9:19 PM

This message feels empty . . .just like Obama’s, it lacks substance.

McCain needs to get specific by showing what went wrong and then how it will be corrected.

How much time does McCain think he has to get serious?

heroyalwhyness on September 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM

I agree, who the hell do they think they are talking to? There is a small percentage that haven’t made up their minds. Talk to them, not us for christ’s sake.

One other thing Maverick, your name is John McCain.

Move on and go for the kill.

In a mature and presidential manner. Make believe that the voters are sophisticated and they want policy discussion not public masturbation.

I can’t wait till this is over. And I also can’t wait to hold whoever wins feet to the fire.

The shit is going to hit the fan for the next president, it won’t be pretty.

Every nitwit with an opinion will sway public opinion and the mainstream media will coalesce as a single unit to try and drive ad revenues at the expense of the average American’s right to have fair and unbiased representation by their elected leaders.

Our nation is going to be divided like it has never been after this election, and tasmanian devils, uh, I mean the press will wind up being the winners.

winemkr on September 16, 2008 at 9:33 PM

“Individual” contributions means contributions by individual employees of the two companies.

No kidding? Glad we have a smart liberal like you around to explain to us that “individual” means individual”. But I’m still not sure why you think it’s okey-dokey for all these rich “individuals” at Lehman to be donating vast sums of money to “the party of the people”.

Most of the contributions to GOP types seem to be from Political Action Committees.

I’d ask you for a link to back up that allegation but we both know I’d be wasting my time. You’re here to spread lies, not to try to defend them. As fast as we debunk one bogus claim of yours you’ll throw up three more.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Uum, flenser, I did include the link.

jim m on September 16, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Uh, jim, I was asking you to use a proper link, not cut-n-paste one as text onto the page.

Surely your boss who provides you with these silly talking points could also provide you with basic info about how to enter information at a blog? I even told you how to do it.

flenser on September 16, 2008 at 9:51 PM

For those critical of McCain’s “The fundamentals of our economy are strong.” comment, to me , he was trying to be reassuring and was trying to give people dare I say, hope. It sort of struck me as a modern version of “The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself.”

Yakko77 on September 16, 2008 at 11:48 PM

Well it may be off topic but I just saw an ad on this site about the need for stopping “Radical islam”. It irritates me enormously every time this phrase is used because no one ever says that we need to stop “Radical nazism” just nazism plain and simple. Islam is just like nazism an inherently eveil ideology/cult and it is intellectually dishonest to try to mitigate this truth by putting “radical” in front of it – it is cowardice by the very persons who ask others to fight. Islam in itself must be eradicated and all muslims forcibly repatriated from the west unless they publicly disown islam and preferably spit on the koran.

JC Silverberg on September 17, 2008 at 5:09 AM

He had the perfect opportunity to hit Obama twice and would not do it.

This has been Bush’s biggest failing. He would rather be liked, than be effective.

MarkTheGreat on September 17, 2008 at 8:27 AM

I think McCain needs a new ad to highlight these issues. Here’s my suggestion: http://myriadscreed.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/my-suggestion-for-mccains-new-ad/

MyriadScreed on September 17, 2008 at 5:19 PM

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