If we are not ready to fight for this victory, we are likely to lose, and will wake up on November 5th to hear the words “newly elected President of the Unites State, Barack Hussein Obama… We we stay energized and work our butts off, McCain/Palin could win and win big.

Keemo on September 16, 2008 at 6:52 PM

They say people get the Gov they deserve. Dems, religious bigots and McCain’s lies kept us from having the best candidate on either side this election—Mitt Romney—as our nominee! The dems were terrified of him and for good reason. Can anyone say expert on the single most important voter-issue right now: THE ECONOMY! And who comes to mind: MITT ROMNEY!

Romney Poses Bigger Threat to Obama than McCain

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/romney-poses-bigger-threa_b_102262.html

Hotline?

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDA1ZDY1YjkwZmU5NTBiMDBjMDc0ZDBkOWFjYmUzMzg=

Mr. Wednesday Night on September 17, 2008 at 1:32 AM

Thanks Mr. Wednesday. Appears Hotline is mainstream enough to be quoted on nationalreview. That’s good enough for me.

Oh, one other rule on lying, which should be intuitively known but bears mention:

3. Don’t lie to the good guys.

Tommygun on September 17, 2008 at 1:39 AM

Don’t lie AGAINST the good guys.

Hotline?

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDA1ZDY1YjkwZmU5NTBiMDBjMDc0ZDBkOWFjYmUzMzg=

Mr. Wednesday Night on September 17, 2008 at 1:32 AM

So it would appear Hotline isn’t exactly the most reliable of polling services. Or all the others are screwed up.

AP strikes again.

Oh, one other rule on lying, which should be intuitively known but bears mention:

3. Don’t lie to the good guys.

Make it the smallest, most obscure lie possible (minimize chance of getting caught, minimize damage to your storyline), unless you truly have to go nuclear and lay down a doozy (but that should be a last resort).

Tommygun on September 17, 2008 at 1:08 AM
Are you an expert on lying or an expert liar?

Shelby on September 17, 2008 at 1:31 AM

Yes.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDA1ZDY1YjkwZmU5NTBiMDBjMDc0ZDBkOWFjYmUzMzg=

Make it the smallest, most obscure lie possible (minimize chance of getting caught, minimize damage to your storyline), unless you truly have to go nuclear and lay down a doozy (but that should be a last resort).

Tommygun on September 17, 2008 at 1:08 AM

Are you an expert on lying or an expert liar?

I don’t think the McCain campaign can take Obama saying he is lying without really defending themselves. Even I was thinking it could be true. I remember he got where he is by bald faced lying about Mitt Romney. So he is vulnerable on that account.

petunia on September 16, 2008 at 6:49 PM

petunia – I believe this to be very true. McCain has a history of lying

What? A politician/leader lying?!

Big flippin’ deal. Nothing new for politicians, and nothing new for this campaign. Whatever it takes for the cause. A few inaccurate statements is better than the alternative (see the Bible–Jericho, when David’s wife protected him from Saul, the midwives protecting the Hebrew newborns, etc., etc., etc.). Just remember these two rules:
1. Don’t lie unless you have to (keep as much credibility as you can).
2. Make it the smallest, most obscure lie possible (minimize chance of getting caught, minimize damage to your storyline), unless you truly have to go nuclear and lay down a doozy (but that should be a last resort).

In fact, the contrast between the two interviews makes me confident. If she (or her advisors) perceived they had a problem and changed their approach that fast, maybe there is more hope than I thought. On the other hand, it might be that the later parts of the interview are more substantive just because she is naturally better prepared to discuss domestic policy.

We’ll see how she does at the debate with Biden. Based on watching these later portions, I am cautiously optimistic, but still a bit nervous.

Sorry. Don’t buy that.

Sorry. Don’t care.

I don’t think the McCain campaign can take Obama saying he is lying without really defending themselves. Even I was thinking it could be true. I remember he got where he is by bald faced lying about Mitt Romney. So he is vulnerable on that account.

petunia on September 16, 2008 at 6:49 PM

petunia – I believe this to be very true. McCain has a history of lying as you mentioned and as mentioned in the excerpt below from The Minnesota Daily:

This has become the central theme of John McCain’s run for president: willing to say anything to get elected, regardless of whether it’s the least bit true.

McCain has a history of lying in this campaign. Way back in January, when he was still running against Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney for the GOP nomination, none other than Rush Limbaugh put McCain on blast for lying about Romney’s position on Iraq war timetables. McCain said Romney supported a timetable for the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq; Romney advocated no such thing. That didn’t matter to McCain, of course. It was a chance to get a shot in at Romney, and whether it was true clearly didn’t matter.”

http://www.mndaily.com/2008/09/15/opinion-mccain%E2%80%99s-lying-habit

She is a Governor, which is something that can not be said for the commenters right here I would venture to guess.

Terrye on September 16, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Okay, fair enough to assume that this isn’t a blog for governors. What in the hell does that have to do with anything?

you know what, i was referring to a comment someone made about Palin NOT being a traditional values person. all i was saying is that she IS, in fact, a traditional values person…as you so eloquently pointed out

ernesto on September 16, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Sorry, I only scanned the comments and I didn’t catch that.

While we all chortled that Obama’s attacks on Palin would backfire, the actual result has been that Palin has been completely neutralized, and by next week she will be as big a liability to McCain as she was an asset the first week. Nobody rises as fast as Palin without crashing to the ground just as quickly. In Palin’s case, the crash is so violent that nobody will be able to pick up the pieces. She will have McCain to thank, not for the vice-presidency, but for the end of her political career and maybe even her marriage and family. How delusional have we become!
jay12 on September 16, 2008 at 6:14 PM

jay12:
You are full of it. I don’t know if you are an Obama fan or a pissed off Romney supporter, but Palin is still very viable.
Terrye on September 16, 2008 at 6:26 PM

We’ll see.

In the meantime, checkout this article from the Anchorage Daily News

and

this one from Palin’s convention speech writer.

Btw, I am not an Obama fan…

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/mccain_takes_le_1.html

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Close elections are always roller coaster-y. That’s what makes them exciting. Predictions based on fact, on fiction, on hope or on pessimissm don’t mean a thing. We simply won’t know till early on Nov. 5.

Vague?? It was an interview with Charlie Gibson for ABC, if it took her more than 2 minutes to answer a question, they edited it. There was no way it could be anything but vague. And considering the fact that most Americans had been told she was a backwards hilly billy guntoting Jesus freak who could not stop popping out babies, most people were no doubt impressed with the woman.

She is a Governor, which is something that can not be said for the commenters right here I would venture to guess.

I’m up in Michigan tonight where McCain/Palin are holding a town hall tomorrow. The event was “sold out” in less than 3 hours. There simply isn’t evidence that the GOP base which McCain depsperately needed to get on his side seem to be willing to put up with him so long as Palin is on the ticket. When social conservatives and evangelicals start being less supportive of Palin, then there may be cause for concern but I don’t think it is time to panic.

Also, let’s remember that Palin goes on the airwaves with Sean Hannity’s interview tomorrow. That promises to be a far more fair interview than that attack Gibson disgraced himself with last week.

I don’t think you can support this statement (that most Christians are creationists). Catholicism, the largest Christian sect in this country, does not teach creationism.

Y-not on September 16, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Actually I think I can although I could not find a poll that specifically dealt with Christians. Firstly this gallup poll states that only 36% of Americans believe that people evolved and God played no part in it, which is pure evolution. However 44% believe we were created in our present form. Another 14% believes it was a combination of God and evolution.

This Gallup video breaks it down a bit differently. The poll number I found most interesting was that only 30% of Republicans believe in evolution. The video also states that only 24% of weekly church goers believe in evolution, it didn’t break it down by specific religions.

In any case, given the data I found I think its pretty safe to say most Christians do not believe in evolution. Let me also add I don’t have a lot of faith in polls but this is the best I can do.

You are a very cynical man… but the Carville poll was nice enough…but it’s a day old already!!!!

petunia on September 16, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Cynical? Okay, then tell me why that street name is NEVER applied to one of the nicest streets in town, regardless of location and is ALWAYS applied to a street in the minority section of town? After all, who would care where the street is actually located… it’s being named to honor Dr. King.

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