Look for it to happen just before the Oct. 2nd VP debate, so that the event will be conveniently canceled.

They have been anything but asleep. They having been making up lies for eachother’s entertainment

exactly, petunia. Lying about Bush and Repubs and conservatives is what gets them off. it’s catnip for……..them

tee866 on September 15, 2008 at 1:50 PM

So far, relatively unsubstantiated. Wait for a second source to independently confirm this before running with it. If it’s true as written, there will be confirmation coming.

There’s not enough time left to afford many stumbles — if there’s a big outcry from the right about something that turns out to be a fake… we lose our credibility with the middle right when we need it the most.

George Clooney’s daily briefings don’t seem to be helping either. What a dolt.

Barack, The whiny One, is a the glass is half empty type guy.

TooTall on September 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM

More and more, he’s turning into a glass jaw type of guy.

Liberals live in a bubble of their own making. Clinton (and Global Warming Gore, too) was so popular overseas that they believed that he was equally popular here. Sure, they know that people voted for Bush but they dismiss those folks as unintelligent sheep who were manipulated by evil geniuses. They do not accept that an intelligent person can be conservative. That belief is never challenged because in day-to-day life, on the job or in social situations, the conservatives they do know keep their mouths shut rather than be ridiculed and worse.

I worked on my first political campaign when I was 10 years old (we can argue about how sophisticated my grasp of the issues was back then, but looking back, I think I had picked the right candidate) and continued working elections through college. 99% of my friends were liberals. We argued but listened to each other’s points of view and did not chalk up disagreements to lack of intelligence. Then, I went to graduate school (mid- to late-80′s) where I was surrounded by people who said the most condescending, outrageous things about anyone with a conservative viewpoint. During the 20 or so years while I was in academe I kept my mouth shut. Frankly, I did not want my career affected by my politics.

I think it is very telling that one of the biggest knocks on Reagan, and later Bush (W), was that they were mentally defective (senile, dumb). Now they are using that same theme against McCain and Palin — one is senile, the other is dumb.

If you underestimate your adversary, you are doomed to fail.

At least I hope so!

You know the oddest thing about the McSame attack line? Any number of leftists seem to actually believe it. I understand that the power of groupthink is strong on the left…but have they been asleep the last 8 years?

18-1 on September 15, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Hardly. They won ’06 on BDS. It’s the only thing they have. Someone should tell Bill Burton that it’s not working anymore though.

Haidt has conducted research in which liberals and conservatives were asked to project themselves into the minds of their opponents and answer questions about their moral reasoning. Conservatives, he said, prove quite adept at thinking like liberals, but liberals are consistently incapable of understanding the conservative point of view.
Y-not on September 15, 2008 at 12:41 PM

It was an interesting paper. I followed up an filled out some of the surveys he links to. Two questions I found fascinating;

How do you think conservatives/liberals came to be conservatives/liberals? I would love to see his results there…heck, it would make a good Hot Air thread. :)

They have been anything but asleep. They having been making up lies for eachother’s entertainment… and calling to impeach Bush randomly. They do believe what they are saying. They truly live in a fantasy world where Bush and Cheney are the absolute worst criminal element of society. I don’t know where the hate comes from. But it is real.

petunia on September 15, 2008 at 12:46 PM

It is mystifying. Bush is not a liberal, obviously, so I can understand why they have policy disagreements with him, and even dislike him. But in office he hasn’t pursued a particularly conservative line, and he really did try and reach out to the other side, in fact about as much as one could hope for from a politican on the other side of the aisle.

And as for liberals drinking their own koolaide on “McSame” – can’t any of them take a step back…really?

You know the oddest thing about the McSame attack line? Any number of leftists seem to actually believe it. I understand that the power of groupthink is strong on the left…but have they been asleep the last 8 years?

18-1 on September 15, 2008 at 12:35 PM

They have been anything but asleep. They having been making up lies for eachother’s entertainment… and calling to impeach Bush randomly. They do believe what they are saying. They truly live in a fantasy world where Bush and Cheney are the absolute worst criminal element of society. I don’t know where the hate comes from. But it is real.

You know the oddest thing about the McSame attack line? Any number of leftists seem to actually believe it. I understand that the power of groupthink is strong on the left…but have they been asleep the last 8 years?

18-1 on September 15, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Liberals cannot understand conservatives.

You might find this post at neoneocon of interest:

A liberal tries to understand the Palin phenomenon

Judith Warner seems to be trying to get it.

In a meandering, unfocused piece in the NY Times, she tries to work through her confusion about Palinmania. Along the way, there is the usual condescension, barely contained.

But towards the end she seems to begin to understand something she may have never grasped before, and I applaud her for recognizing and at least grappling with it:

Haidt has conducted research in which liberals and conservatives were asked to project themselves into the minds of their opponents and answer questions about their moral reasoning. Conservatives, he said, prove quite adept at thinking like liberals, but liberals are consistently incapable of understanding the conservative point of view. “Liberals feel contempt for the conservative moral view, and that is very, very angering. Republicans are good at exploiting that anger,” he told me in a phone interview.

McCain needs to hit Obama on his inability to cross the aisle… he is the most liberal senator… he only works with democrats…

ninjapirate on September 15, 2008 at 10:54 AM

I hope that article ends up having legs but I was doing some (is it called trolling?) And there are those that claim he didn’t do any of this secretly that he made a speech on the tarmack while he was still in Iraq out-lining what is in that article… so that may make a difference.

Although, to me going to a foreign country and saying publically that a sitting President is too weak politically to be trusted… is pretty much treason in and of itself.

What is the timing of that speech? Did Putin read it and decide it was the best time to invade Georgia? What other international consequences are there when a canidate for President announces to the world that our President is losing power over the government.

Obama pronounced Bush more than a lame duck… he said he is a dead duck… That’s got to slow progress on every diplomatic effort.

Yeah, but it didn’t work.

I think it’s one of the most amazing things that Bush was re-elected, despite the political forces aligned against him, the blatant dirty tricks pulled by the dems, and the challenges of being President in the post 9-11 era.

That’s true…but had Burkett/Rather/whoever made the fakes actually used a real typewriter the truth may not have gotten out in time. Picking a dead man’s correspondence as a means of attack was brilliant in many ways. Obviously, he couldn’t say these were fakes. And as we’ve seen with the Palin smears, the media has abandoned any pretense of objectivity they might have had in 2004…

That is because the argument flies in the face of the McCain everyone has known for all these years. For an attack to work there has to be an element of truth.

McCain=Bush just causes head scratching and puzzeled looks.

petunia on September 15, 2008 at 12:30 PM

You know the oddest thing about the McSame attack line? Any number of leftists seem to actually believe it. I understand that the power of groupthink is strong on the left…but have they been asleep the last 8 years?

If BO still thinks he can win this election, he’s going to have to act like he’s going to win and offer something of substance. If he stays the same or keeps coming off as desperate and continues to lack confidence he will keep slipping.

You are making the presumption that whatever the Democrats and MSM pull as their October surprise will actually be based on facts. In 2004, as we all recall, they made their attack out of whole cloth…

18-1 on September 15, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Yeah, but it didn’t work.

I think it’s one of the most amazing things that Bush was re-elected, despite the political forces aligned against him, the blatant dirty tricks pulled by the dems, and the challenges of being President in the post 9-11 era.

I guess I am at my core an optimist. I think people are connecting with Palin and McCain on a level that will help them recognize baseless smears for what they are. Palin has helped bring out McCain’s fatherly side. He beams when he looks at her, like a proud dad. It may sound trite, but people want to be protected. Thanks to some assinine things Michelle O! said early on, noone believes Obama will protect us. “He’ll make you work.”

He hires people who are not smart enough to do simple research on the internet such as the recent attack on Senator McCain’s inability to type for any length of time due to being tortured as a POW. He hangs around with the anti-USA element of American society and nothing says more about a man than the people he associates with.

calguyintexas on September 15, 2008 at 12:25 PM

It certainly seems like the Obama campaign has been doing everything in its power to get people to vote for McCain. McCain has plenty of faults, but attacking him for the injuries he received in the service of his nation? This is a new low in presidential politics.

In fact I seem to recall that Ann Coulter made a more mild version of this attack on a Dem legislator a few years ago, and the left went wild. Perhaps McCain should cut an add with Dem talking heads talking about that?

Bidens speech right now..running against Bush again..and saying the old claim that Bush/McCain denied children health care. They hate kids…etc etc.. His crowd is yawning and confused on when to applaude..

malkinmania on September 15, 2008 at 11:54 AM

That is because the argument flies in the face of the McCain everyone has known for all these years. For an attack to work there has to be an element of truth.

McCain=Bush just causes head scratching and puzzeled looks.

‘Seems to me that whatever they think they have it can’t be a McCain scandal. The guy has been out there too long and vetted in too many elections. Heck, the Republicans would have pulled something out of the bag when he was being all mavericky and pushing things counter to the Party’s wishes.

You are making the presumption that whatever the Democrats and MSM pull as their October surprise will actually be based on facts. In 2004, as we all recall, they made their attack out of whole cloth…