Quote of the day

posted at 10:00 pm on September 15, 2008 by Allahpundit

“Recent accounts of murderous violence in the capital cities of two of our allies, India and Afghanistan, make it appear overwhelmingly probable that the bombs were not the work of local or homegrown ‘insurgents’ but were orchestrated by agents of the Pakistani ISI. This is a fantastically unacceptable state of affairs, which needs to be given its right name of state-sponsored terrorism. Meanwhile, and on Pakistani soil and under the very noses of its army and the ISI, the city of Quetta and the so-called Federally Administered Tribal Areas are becoming the incubating ground of a reorganized and protected al-Qaida. Sen. Barack Obama has, if anything, been the more militant of the two presidential candidates in stressing the danger here and the need to act without too much sentiment about our so-called Islamabad ally. He began using this rhetoric when it was much simpler to counterpose the ‘good’ war in Afghanistan with the ‘bad’ one in Iraq. Never mind that now; he is committed in advance to a serious projection of American power into the heartland of our deadliest enemy. And that, I think, is another reason why so many people are reluctant to employ truthful descriptions for the emerging Afghan-Pakistan confrontation: American liberals can’t quite face the fact that if their man does win in November, and if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said, it means more war, and more bitter and protracted war at that—not less.”

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Bob's Kid on September 15, 2008 at 10:03 PM

“only Bambi has the balls to attack a nuclear power head-on and that’s why as a good opponent of Emperor Chimpy McHaliburton’s illegal war in Iraq whom did not attacks us I support the Senator Lightworker plan to get into a war with Pakistan.”(whom also did not attack us on 9/11 either)

//Kos

sven10077 on September 15, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Then I guess we’ll have a war that Democrats can get behind.

t.ferg on September 15, 2008 at 10:04 PM

um, so hitch really wants us to to abandon iraq only to charge headlong into pakistan?

wth?

Buckaroo on September 15, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Yeah. Obama ain’t attacking Pakistan.

lorien1973 on September 15, 2008 at 10:05 PM

and if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said

Who? Mr. Flip-Flop? Surely you jest.

eea on September 15, 2008 at 10:05 PM

if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Techie on September 15, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Fortunately for his base, everything Obama says comes with an expiration date.

Spirit of 1776 on September 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM

So true. And if Obama things Russia and China (pakistians neighbors) are just going to let us walk in they are stupid. Russia will fight us every step of the way due to our reaction over Georgia. China will also require to be part of the affair. Then let’s not forget about India and its quasi-fear, distrust of China. so Palistian is a very very touchy country in a very unstable part of the world. Iran sits on its border also. so if we invade Pakistians enmass we will have a proxy war with russia, Iran for sure. China will want to see us wore down fighting another war and India will most likely be on red alert and could pull Pak or China into a shooting war.

yet the experts havbe this all figured out. Idiots. With experience like this in our leaders Palin is looking better every second.

unseen on September 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Do we know what his visit there before college was all about?
Don’t trust him, don’t trust anyone from the Chicago Machine

bbz123 on September 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM

sven10077

You made that up, right? Sadly, seemed plausible actually right up to “Senator Lightworker.”

kc8ukw on September 15, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Good, Barry’s experience with Pakistan’s underground drug culture will be useful when invade. What has changed since the early 80′s?

ninjapirate on September 15, 2008 at 10:08 PM

BO will have to get back to us on this. He must check in with Bill Ayers and get orders. The more I am seeing, the more I believe that some one is giving the orders here and it ain’t BO.

bloggless on September 15, 2008 at 10:08 PM

I meant kids Pack-is-tan and are just too heavy, we must address this crippling issue that confronts all decent minded Americans. Next!

dmann on September 15, 2008 at 10:08 PM

He certainly did speak out more strongly on this topic; I do question whether he was serious or not, based on his other comments on security issues. But for the moment he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Now, ask him for some specifics on what he would do in the face of continued Pakistani recalcitrance on this issue. How is he going to secure their nukes? What will he say to India? Is he in favor of larger scale air strikes? Does he realize the potential for political unrest and potential government overthrow that extensive U.S. military activity would cause? Is he willing to accept that? Does he have U.N. approval for such an action? Is he willing to take those actions if he doesn’t?

And ask McCain the same questions.

exhelodrvr on September 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM

He owned a pair of huarachi sandals once. Does that count as foreign experience?

bloggless on September 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM

I dunno about anyone else, but my first impression of a possible “Obama Presidency” is that in short time, Pakistan would be at war with the U.S. and Obama would be “standing with Pakistan.”

S on September 15, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Most Indians have trouble understanding why you think *any* Muslims, whether Pakistani or Afghan or Arab or Balkan, were ever really on your side. Do you really not understand the pull that the ummah has, even on the so-called moderate muslim i.e. one who doesn’t want to kill you? At least, not yet.

Fortunata on September 15, 2008 at 10:12 PM

I think Obama was just flapping his gums. He will lob a few cruise missiles and then just ignore the whole situation. If something really bad happens, like a terrorist attack, he will blame Bush and go his merry way.

Terrye on September 15, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Do we know what his visit there before college was all about?
Don’t trust him, don’t trust anyone from the Chicago Machine

bbz123 on September 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM

As someone who (also) worked my way through college, I’ve often wondered just how it was that this “abandoned boy” Obama was so nimble in flying to Pakistan, flying to Africa, here, there, and yet we are to believe he was “deprived” or struggling. He had money enough to buy drugs (and use them), to hang out on beaches, dally around with communist mentors (he even HAD a “mentor”), fly around the world doing what he has never revealed specifically he was doing…just doesn’t add-up to the same image he presents his youth as being. Same as to his mother.

S on September 15, 2008 at 10:15 PM

We are all “Citizens of the World”. So it would be like fighting your own self.

bloggless on September 15, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Who was he talking to when he got all warmongery that day? Obama doesn’t scare anyone…he’s about as terrifying as Jimmy Carter.

Oh, if you happen to live in New York and he wins this thing…move somewhere else.

just saying…

Asher on September 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Who would think that the bombs were planted by agents of Pakistani intelligence? Why? Pakistan at war with India again/still, and Afghanistan too? Again why?

Would it not seem more plausible that the bombs were planted by extremist activists and that the government of Pakistan has little control?

Yes, ‘Pakistan’ appears to be trouble, but only because the government seems unable to prevent it.

Which is the more creditable view, the government of Pakistan inciting violence or powerless to prevent it?

Is Hitchens creditable?

rockhauler on September 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM

BO will have to get back to us on this. He must check in with Bill Ayers and get orders. The more I am seeing, the more I believe that some one is giving the orders here and it ain’t BO.

bloggless on September 15, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Ayers only likes bombing Americans.

eucher on September 15, 2008 at 10:19 PM

S on September 15, 2008 at 10:11 PM

That’s a scary thought in light of this:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/obamas-paki-con.html

econavenger on September 15, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Which is the more creditable view, the government of Pakistan inciting violence or powerless to prevent it?

Answer: The government of Pakistan inciting violence.
Next.

Fortunata on September 15, 2008 at 10:20 PM

We are all “Citizens of the World”. So it would be like fighting your own self.

bloggless on September 15, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Heh.

Spirit of 1776 on September 15, 2008 at 10:20 PM

Today’s Liberals don’t start wars-

they just lose them.

FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 10:21 PM

“American liberals can’t quite face the fact that if their man does win in November, and if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said ….”

Obama takes off the Isotoners in 5, 4, 3, …

But seriously, we know darn well he only said it because it was the least likely thing he’d ever plan to do. Just ask the Canadians about his NAFTA plans.

And as for liberals not facing it, heck, they don’t even remember it. But it’s sure nice to see Hitchens waterboard them with it.

Dusty on September 15, 2008 at 10:21 PM

Forget Pakistan, the clear and present danger is the Iranians. Pakistan has issues but as long as we keep their generals placated with shiny, sophisticated jets to intimidtae India they’ll mind the boiling caldron. The Iranains continue to pray for an Obama victory after which their 1st strike will be on a US battle group in the gulf, not Israel. The Mullahs know that any attack on the Israelis will result in their immediate and total destruction whereas a strike against the Obama lead Great Satan will result in feckless diplomacy. Obama will bow to the Islamosupremists and point to the Bush years as the reason the Mullahs were driven to kill Americans.

Elect Obama and Die!

dmann on September 15, 2008 at 10:21 PM

rockhauler on September 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Oh, and I think you mean “credible”. Something you’re not.

Fortunata on September 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM

“Forget Pakistan, the clear and present danger is the Iranians”

as in the pakistanis have had the bomb for a decade and have yet to use it whereas the iranains have been trying for the bomb for a decade and can’t WAIT to use it — yeah, i can go with that …

Buckaroo on September 15, 2008 at 10:25 PM

For all his screeds against religion, Hitch always makes up for it with his foreign affairs chops…

Send this to every Obamite you know.

Might get more than a few of them to think twice.

Or at least once, but very long and hard about it.

SuperCool on September 15, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Barack the Warmonger.

jimmy the notable on September 15, 2008 at 10:27 PM

rockhauler on September 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Oh, and I think you mean “credible”. Something you’re not.

Fortunata on September 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Wabi Sabi.

rockhauler on September 15, 2008 at 10:27 PM

American liberals can’t quite face the fact that if their man does win in November, and if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said, it means more war, and more bitter and protracted war at that—not less.

…ah!, but they contend that Iraq is an “ill-advised”, “illegal” and an “immoral” war. It’s also that most popular of Sixties holdovers, and “unpopular” war (because nobody at the parties they attend likes it).

Screwing around with a quote of Franklin, wars are only “illegal” in the third person, as in “their ‘ill-advised’ war”. It is only in the first person — “our ‘ill-advised’ war — that you get any traction. Give the Dems a war they can get behind (e.g., anything involving a shouting Latin dictator, anything involving a catchy Latin revolutionary graphic, or anything where one of their guys is the C-in-C), and it attains a blinding luster in the lapdog press.

Anyone here, like me, who thought Clinton’s air-show over Kosovo was an “ill-advised” war?

Puritan1648 on September 15, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Buckaroo on September 15, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Chew gou iet mann!

dmann on September 15, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Obama’s not going to do jack about Pakistan. He’ll be second only to Carter as the biggest foreign policy pansy in the last 70 years.

It’s going to be a sad day if Bush hatred and gross media bias can push the most unqualified candidate to run for President in modern history across the finish line.

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 10:32 PM

A most delicous development. :D

Metro on September 15, 2008 at 10:34 PM

Obama is like Nostradomus. Say enough things over enough years and eventually you’ll look right.

Though usually, you look dumb:

“In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” –on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

battleoflepanto1571 on September 15, 2008 at 10:34 PM

Wabi Sabi.

rockhauler on September 15, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Aloo gobi.

Fortunata on September 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM

How long after Inauguration Day will Obama throw Pakistan under the bus?

FreeThinkerNYC on September 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM

“BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 10:32 PM”

well, that’s the good news, that “if” gets dimmer by the day …

Buckaroo on September 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM

When I think of a democrat victory, I immediately think of Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and the arrogance of Joe Biden. What a nightmare – even worse than an eery Stephen King movie.

Travis1 on September 15, 2008 at 10:36 PM

“FreeThinkerNYC on September 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM”

i dunno, what time do inagural addresses end? 1 p.m.? how about 2:30 then?
:-)

Buckaroo on September 15, 2008 at 10:36 PM

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 10:32 PM

You forgot….he’s a negro.

dmann on September 15, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Asher on September 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM
He said he would go to war with Pakistan during his speech in Denver which I thought was really stupid.Why on earth would you say you would go to war when your accepting your party’s nomination for Pres. not to mention the fact that Pakistan is a country that has nukes.

tee866 on September 15, 2008 at 10:38 PM

The Obama Doctrine: Only attack foes who possess nukes.
The exact opposite of the MAD policy.

redshirt on September 15, 2008 at 10:39 PM

As someone who (also) worked my way through college, I’ve often wondered just how it was that this “abandoned boy” Obama was so nimble in flying to Pakistan, flying to Africa, here, there, and yet we are to believe he was “deprived” or struggling. He had money enough to buy drugs (and use them), to hang out on beaches, dally around with communist mentors (he even HAD a “mentor”), fly around the world doing what he has never revealed specifically he was doing…just doesn’t add-up to the same image he presents his youth as being. Same as to his mother.

S on September 15, 2008 at 10:15 PM

You’re right. I worked any vacation I had. My friends fed me. There were no exotic or domestic trips. When I looked at the cost just to apply to grad school, my heart sank.

Blake on September 15, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Do we know what his visit there before college was all about?
Don’t trust him, don’t trust anyone from the Chicago Machine

bbz123 on September 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM

To set up a heroin supply contact, so he could deal his way through college. Hey, I don’t know that, but nobody knows anything about those days, and the human mind, like nature, abhors a vacuum.

smellthecoffee on September 15, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Oh I can just see headlines..

Breaking(fake) news from Bendover Backwards News(BBN)

Newsflash,Obama is taking the the fight to Pakistan,
his latest success, carpet bombing villages,1000′s of
women and children litter the streets!

Against the advice,of his top Military commanders who
have opposed carpet bombing,and Fuel/Air devices in
the field of battle,Obama has sent a message to the
Puck-a-stan-ee’s,of Hope and Change!

Millions,upon millions are in the streets of the world,
protesting,yet the liberals are mute in this latest
audacious military success!(Snark!)a hem.

canopfor on September 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM

A key difference between Obama and McCain on this is the following:

Obama was blathering in public about violating the sovereignty of Pakistan (while being extremely unlikely to ever actually do any such thing if elected).

McCain was saying nothing about it in public….because it is not the kind of thing which a sane and seasoned leader with so much as a pinch of experience would articulate as official policy….even as he or she should know that it is the sort of thing which happens all the time, in the quiet, deniable world of black ops.

And now that yet ANOTHER shameful media leak has exposed this covert (and incrementally successful) policy, Obam-bam can crow that it is what he was talking about all along….characteristically oblivious to the fact that he revealed his ignorance and unfitness not by what he was talking about, but by the fact that he was talking about it at all!

Putz.

Noocyte on September 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Sen. Barack Obama has, if anything, been the more militant of the two presidential candidates in stressing the danger here and the need to act without too much sentiment about our so-called Islamabad ally. He began using this rhetoric when it was much simpler to counterpose the ‘good’ war in Afghanistan with the ‘bad’ one in Iraq.

Only by accident; only to be able to say something different than Bush Administration policy. He didn’t begin using the badass rhetoric against Pakistan based on any premises that made any sense.

baldilocks on September 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM

1 vote for glassing the whole area.

AbaddonsReign on September 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM

Fortunately for his base, everything Obama says comes with an expiration date.

Spirit of 1776 on September 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Like everything from the Left.

baldilocks on September 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM

What’s got me worried is the fact that the lefties always holler at the right for doing things that they (the left) actually do. For example, they scream about sexism all the time, but has any right winger criticized a woman for working while trying to run for national office? So here’s why this tendency of the left has got me worried. Remember how they used to predict that Bush would refuse to step down, that there would be tanks in the streets? I am afraid that a certain percentage of the population will simply refuse to credit this election as valid if Obama loses. There likely will be tanks in the streets, but it will because of them, not Bush.

smellthecoffee on September 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM

A vote for BO is like a BM, feels good when you do it, but ultimately its a piece of crap!

dmann on September 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM

I don’t care who calls me crazy but at some point in the future, after things have gotten nastier then anyone can now imagine, islam will have to be outlawed on a global basis.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM

I was about 75% sure just by the writing style even before I hit the link. Chris Hitchens..?

Then sure enough. LOL! But Wow, Hitch’s Obama FOS meter is working overtime!

And from other articles and interviews I’ve read and seen, he doesn’t seem to like the Messiah too much personally either.

Teddy on September 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM

So now Cheney is orchestrating another war (in between bombing levees) just to throw the election to McCain?

Does the man have any shame?

Bishop on September 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Sadly only enforcable by superior fire power!

dmann on September 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM

islam will have to be outlawed on a global basis.
peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM

What do you plan on doing with the law-breakers?

Bishop on September 15, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Sadly only enforcable by superior fire power!

After the isalmic states use their 15 or so nuclear weapons we will have superior fire power unless at that point russia is an islamic country.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 10:54 PM

“unless at that point russia is an islamic country.”

so yer hoping this occurs within the next two decades?
[!]

Buckaroo on September 15, 2008 at 10:56 PM

Heartened to see the Democrats becoming the party of war in our battle against the jihadists.

Let’s see if they live up to the bravado.

mylegsareswollen on September 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM

dmann on September 15, 2008 at 10:37 PM

So what?

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM

I’m not sure how Obama plans on doing anything since he has promised to do away with our nuclear arsenal, reduce our military, take our finger off the hair trigger. He must plan on the Zell Miller offense…spit balls.

Sue on September 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM

American liberals can’t quite face the fact that if their man does win in November, and if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said,

Has Obama really meant anything he has ever said except for
the fact that it helps him politically at that given moment.

First he condemns the Iraq war,then when Baghdad falls,he states that maybe he was wrong and later says that he agrees
with everything Bush is doing in Iraq.
Starts running for President and then calls Iraq the worst
foreign policy decision of our lifetime.
Finally gets into a decision making position(Senate)and his
most important judgment call involves voting against the surge which he says will only make things worse and will ultimately fail.
Surge is a success and Obama comes out and says he said it would reduce violence the whole time,ultimately admitting that it was a success.

This is what the Obama fans call intelligent and strong leadership.

Combine this with him being Against/For:
NAFTA
Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
NSA wiretapping
Troop reductions based on conditions on the ground
drilling….on…and…on…and..on.

All this in just a few months.
Can anyone really believe anything this guy says.

Will the press spend anywhere near the time and resources revealing Obama’s failures as a community organizer,friend and partner to weatherman terrorist,20 yr. relationship with
black separatist,lobbyist ties,Rezko,and idiotic gaffes that
make Roseanne Barr look like a genius or will they continue
to chase down big stories like Palin appointed her own people in government and may have spoken to her husband about it.

Does anyone really know where Obama stands on anything except the advancement of himself.

Baxter Greene on September 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM

What do you plan on doing with the law-breakers?

I call people who think things will always stay the same flatlanders. They think ocassional hurricanes and earthquakes are the only catastophic events that we ever need to worry about. In my opinion the tipping point has been reached, civilization is not becoming more enlightened, it’s going backwards to tribalism. We’ve probably got a very interesting 100 years worth of famine, plagues, revolution, chaos and nuclear war to look forward to. By the time the dust settles there will be alot less “law-breakers” to worry about.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM

“peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM”

and we think AP’s the pessimist …
[!]

Buckaroo on September 15, 2008 at 11:02 PM

I’m not a pessimist, I’m just awake.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:02 PM

The very name Pakistan inscribes the nature of the problem. It is not a real country or nation but an acronym devised in the 1930s by a Muslim propagandist for partition named Chaudhary Rahmat Ali. It stands for Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, and Indus-Sind.

You learn something new everyday.

baldilocks on September 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Bambi will just blink his eyelashes at them and make them stop.

SouthernGent on September 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM

and if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said, it means more war

Did Obama mean what he said in any of these 29 flip-flops?

jgapinoy on September 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM

I apologize, it’s off topic…

but I think Ed and Allah need to do their research and get this story out:


Mark Levin Show Sept 15, 2008

Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM

McCain was saying nothing about it in public….because it is not the kind of thing which a sane and seasoned leader with so much as a pinch of experience would articulate as official policy….

Noocyte

…now here’s a man who knows his onions…talking about a man who knows his onions (about this, at least)….

The only explosion that should happen in Pakistan should happend behind the right ear of the guy sitting next to the guy who can stop the horse-pucky there…repeat as necessary until self-preservation kicks in.

Puritan1648 on September 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM

I’m not a pessimist, I’m just awake.

peacenprosperity

…fess up…that’s a bumpersticker….

…if it isn’t, it oughta be….

Puritan1648 on September 15, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Yeah. Obama ain’t attacking Pakistan.

lorien1973 on September 15, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Bing. This is a logical but complicated bit of foreign policy analysis, but there’s a much simpler analysis to be made:

- Yes, his rhetoric has been exactly as Hitchens states, in isolated instances, and if this were an accurate statement of his position on national defense and the WOT, then conservatives should be in support of him.

- Yes, McCain has been somewhat more circumspect with regard to the Pakistani suicide pact.

- And, no, there is no reason to believe a word of what Obama has said regarding Pakistan, as it stands in profound contrast to everything else he has ever said about anything. It contradicts his raison d’etre, and should be red-flagged as BS.

Good of Hitch to point out the hilarity of the anti-American, anti-war leftards at dkos and du giving money to fund Obambi’s declaration of bloody war on Pakistan.

- And, no, there is no reason to believe that McCain is going to back down from a needed confrontation with the Pakistani suicide pact. If suicide is what they crave, I suspect that it is what they will get.

Jaibones on September 15, 2008 at 11:10 PM

if it isn’t, it oughta be….

Go for it, I only want 1% paid in gold, please.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:12 PM

We’ve probably got a very interesting 100 years worth of famine, plagues, revolution, chaos and nuclear war to look forward to. By the time the dust settles there will be alot less “law-breakers” to worry about.
peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM

Doesn’t sound as if too many law enforcers will be around either. Who is to say that islam wouldn’t be the driving force?

Bishop on September 15, 2008 at 11:14 PM

Mark Levin Show Sept 15, 2008

Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM

Yeah, nothing will drive traffic here at HotAir like a long-running investigation into accounting irregularities at a GSE which securitizes mortgages for institutional investors. This could be another RatherGate!

Seriously, SS, you can’t find something drier than Fannie-Freddie scandal. This just isn’t the place…

Jaibones on September 15, 2008 at 11:14 PM

The timeline doesn’t hold, we have at best 2 years to deal with the Iranians and their lackies. I can not envision a senario where we will allow the Iranians to demonstrait they have developed the means to make our world a much more insane place. We will chum the persian gulf, provoke an incident and render any offensive capability flacid! Chum can cost…maybe an Arleigh Burke up the Shatt al arab hard, fast and menacing, on its own more than capable of probably disembowel the Islamic idiots, best we set loss the dogs of war!

dmann on September 15, 2008 at 11:15 PM

You learn something new everyday.

baldilocks on September 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM

How about it, baldi? That one sentence explained more to me about who these dirtbags are than the first 49 years of my life did.

Jaibones on September 15, 2008 at 11:16 PM

Who is to say that islam wouldn’t be the driving force?

Because we have more and nastier weapons and most third world muslims are little more than slaves.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:17 PM

How about it, baldi? That one sentence explained more to me about who these dirtbags are than the first 49 years of my life did.

Jaibones on September 15, 2008 at 11:16 PM

Yep. It’s all about the tribalism.

baldilocks on September 15, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Because we have more and nastier weapons and most third world muslims are little more than slaves.
peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:17 PM

So you plan on knocking-off the “slaves” too?

Bishop on September 15, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Who is to say that islam wouldn’t be the driving force?

What the world is going through now has been repeated over and over by islam. Most of the muslim world got that way at the end of a sword. That sword disappears, so will islam. Islam is antihumanity. Islam is a philosophy of fear and oppression, no different then communism, just a different costume.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Spelling never really mattered……dowhttt!

dmann on September 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Seriously, SS, you can’t find something drier than Fannie-Freddie scandal. This just isn’t the place…

Jaibones on September 15, 2008 at 11:14 PM

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you.

With the headlines today, and the ensuing election, not only is this the place, this is the time.

Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Pakistan is Saudi Arabia’s bread basket for Jihadists. Ever since they took over the role of “educators” of the Land of the Pure they have quite a vested interest in keeping western boots out of Pakistan. Bush owes too much to the Saudi’s to ever disturb their Mujahadine maddrassa farms and it isn’t likely McCain or Obama will either.

BL@KBIRD on September 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Does anyone really know where Obama stands on anything except the advancement of himself.

Baxter Greene on September 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM

I don’t know, but this from Slublog say volumes

SkinnerVic on September 15, 2008 at 11:25 PM

So you plan on knocking-off the “slaves” too?

That’s silly, flatlander. No one is planning anything except the jihaids. The west is just sitting here waiting. Ocassionally someone will act, as Bush did, and the post modern moral relativists that dominate the west will demonize and condemn and batter them back while the barbarians are figuring out how to blow up the gate.
It will eventually be kill or be killed. We will win but it will not be a joyous victory.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:27 PM

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Then wouldn’t it make sense to kill them all now and save ourselves the aggravation?

Bishop on September 15, 2008 at 11:27 PM

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM

Skin of thin….sarc/off

dmann on September 15, 2008 at 11:28 PM

President Obama Would Invade Pakistan
Posted Aug 1st 2007 12:09PM by Scott
http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/08/01/president-obama-would-invade-pakistan/

Obama said that as commander in chief he would remove troops from Iraq and putting them “on the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan.” He said he would send at least two more brigades to Afghanistan and increase nonmilitary aid to the country by $1 billion.

So if chickenhawk Obama sends in troops with the help of
his foreign policy man “Mr. 5 deferments” and chickenhawk
Biden and Osama turns up in Iran or Somalia,will liberals call him a
liar,war criminal,and demand his impeachment?

Is Obama going to invade other countries that harbor terrorist that have killed Americans?

Pakistan,like Iraq,did not attack America.Is Obama now following part of the Bush doctrine that calls for preemptive war?

If the war gets to hard and becomes un-popular,will Obama
say he was tricked by Bush and call for withdrawal like the
democrats have done when they were hell bent on taking out
Saddam before it became un-popular?

Does Obama’s winning formula in fighting the Jihad consist of the “Winnie the Pooh and Tiger to” doctrine:

The Foreign Policy of Pooh
—Slublog

Obama’s ‘Key’ Foreign Policy Adviser: “Winnie the Pooh seems to me to be a fundamental text on national security.”

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWViNzMxZTBhYzg4Y2NlZDc3MGI4NzUyYWMxNmY4MGU=

told a major foreign policy conference in Washington that the future of US strategy in the war on terrorism should follow a lesson from the pages of Winnie the Pooh, which can be shortened to: if it is causing you too much pain, try something else.

Wow!!
I know I feel so much better knowing that Obama and his merry friends in Poohville are standing between America and the threat of radical jihadist and their quest for the new
Caliphate.

Baxter Greene on September 15, 2008 at 11:28 PM

,I>It will eventually be kill or be killed. We will win but it will not be a joyous victory.
peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Ah, so who exactly are you volunteering to kill?

Bishop on September 15, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Then wouldn’t it make sense to kill them all now and save ourselves the aggravation?

You aren’t a very deep thinker, are you? I’m not going to get pulled into your silly game.

Back to football.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:30 PM

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Ah yes, and such a deep argument from your end. The world is going to go up in flames, the muslims will be slaughtered, there will be righteous killing and the survivors will be outlawed.

Still didn’t answer any of my questions though.

Bishop on September 15, 2008 at 11:31 PM

It was the democrats that worked so hard to overthrow our ally Musharraf.

See what two years of change can do to our allies and our economy. Thanks Queen Pelosi and Knave Reid.

Change can be bad….very bad.

jukin on September 15, 2008 at 11:37 PM

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