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McCain, Palin on economy: It’s time for some real reform

posted at 2:40 pm on September 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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John McCain got back to policy today, as events forced both campaigns to pay attention to the continuing and deepening crisis in the financial sector today. McCain lashed out at the “greed and corruption” on Wall Street and Washington in his town-hall appearance today, and promised real reform, but took care to note that the Ameirican spirit of entrepeneurship remained fundamentally sound:

I’d like to just mention a couple of things to you, and first of all a little straight talk. As you well know, we are seeing tremendous upheaval on Wall Street. The American economy is in a crisis. It is in a crisis. People tonight will be sitting around the kitchen table, trying to figure out how they’re going to stay in their homes, how they’re going to keep their jobs, how they’re going to put food on the table. And America is in a crisis today. Unemployment is on the rise, and our financial markets are in turmoil. People are concerned about our economic future. But let me say something, the economic crisis is not the fault of the American people.

Our workers are the most innovative, the hardest-working, the best-skilled, most productive, most competitive in the world. That’s the American worker. And my opponents may disagree, but those fundamentals — the American worker and their innovation, their entrepreneurship, the small business, those are the fundamentals of America, and I think they’re strong. But they are being threatened today. Those fundamentals are being threatened today because of the greed and corruption that some engaged in on Wall Street, and we have got to fix it. And we have got to reform the way that they do business. And frankly my friends, our workers have been the strength of our economy, and they remain the strength of our economy today. And those fundamentals are threatened, they are threatened and at risk because some on Wall Street have treated Wall Street like a casino. So, we’re going to fix it. And their efforts are not being matched at the top. From Washin gton to Wall Street, the top of our economy is broken.

We’ve seen self-interest, greed, irresponsibility, and corruption undermine these hardworking American people. We’re going to put an end to the abuses in Washington and on Wall Street that have resulted in a crisis that we are seeing unfold today.

Enough is enough. Enough is enough. We’re going to reform the way that Wall Street does business and put an end to the greed that has driven our markets into chaos. We’ll stop multimillion-dollar payouts to CEOs that have broken the public trust.

And we’ll put an end, as I said, to running Wall Street like a casino. We’ll make businesses work for the benefit of their shareholders and their employees, and we’ll make sure that your savings, IRAs, 401k and pensions are protected.

Barack Obama blamed the crisis on the management of the Bush administration, and it did occur on their watch, but the blame can get spread out to Congress as well.  The cheap credit and lack of oversight occurred on the watch of both parties, with Senate Banking Committee chair Chris Dodd (D-CT) taking sweetheart loan deals from one of the major players in the collapse, as well as a few of his Democratic colleagues.  It looks as if the lobbyists and big players co-opted all of the oversight mechanisms in Washington, and enough blame exists to share between Democrats and Republicans.

The candidate who comes up with an easily understood solution will win the confidence of voters unsettled by the instability.  Fortunately, the markets reacted rationally today, at least thus far, understanding that the economy itself hasn’t been badly damaged — yet.  The reaction by the government could do more harm than good, and apparently the markets have appreciated the laissez-faire attitude taken in regards to private companies that blow themselves up with bad risk-taking decisions.

McCain gets off to a good start, focusing his efforts on the lack of oversight enabled by the lobbying efforts from the financial sector.  He continues to exude optimism and promises a robust effort to force players to stick to the rules.  We need to hear more specifics, but what we don’t need are plans to take capital out of the system at a time when we need to reward honest risk-taking.

Palin also addressed this in Colorado today:

She gets a lot more specific about the reforms needed, and speaks with passion and conviction. Listen to the crowd response, and note the populist tone Palin uses to emphasize the need for reform. McCain should borrow a little from this.


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SUCK IT PAM!

marklmail on September 15, 2008 at 2:42 PM

I think McCain is on the right track and got his message out loud and clear and it was easy enough for most people to understand.

tee866 on September 15, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Stay on message! Let Obama wallow in the mud, it’s beneath Plain and McCain.

JustTruth101 on September 15, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Obamabots are already out all over the blogs today pushing thr meme that McCain “once again” says that “the fundamentals of our economy are strong.” Even that dufus who got reamed by Bill Hemmer on Fox News this morning was pushing this. Look for them to have an ad up with this lie by the end of the day today. They are shameless in their willingness to just lie about McCain’s actual words.

rockmom on September 15, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Plain Palin (gotta start using preview…)

JustTruth101 on September 15, 2008 at 2:46 PM

McCain: I know we have a problem and here’s a solution.

Obama: I know we have a problem and it’s Bush’s fault.

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 2:47 PM

I like the way McCain and Palin ignore the media as much as possible and speak straight to the voter. That’s why the convention rocked, it’s what they MUST do at the debates, and that is what will win in November.

JustTruth101 on September 15, 2008 at 2:47 PM

The idea that the GOVERNMENT needs to FIX what it F*CKED is the most troubling, troubling part.

Ultimate scape goat: CAPITALISM

WAKE UP MCCain Palin>>>> HANDS OFF.

seejanemom on September 15, 2008 at 2:48 PM

I’m no fan of oversight, but certain folks on Wall Street and the energy sector have shown that they’re nothing more than brats who need mommy and daddy to watch over them constantly.

I think along with his message on Wall Street reform, McCain could score BIG points if he addressed the disastrous effects of deregulating the energy market. Again, I hate regulation, but when companies (especially utility companies which are just government enabled monopolies) prove that they can’t help themselves, something has to be done. The Wall Street reform talk won’t get to people’s hearts as much as the reforming the energy sector.

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 2:49 PM

rockmom on September 15, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Even to this day I am amazed at how often and how shamelessly Team Obama can chop and distort quotes to their benefit. I should be used to it, but it still amazes me.

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Calling Mitt Romney. Hello?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM

[quote]The idea that the GOVERNMENT needs to FIX what it F*CKED is the most troubling, troubling part.

Ultimate scape goat: CAPITALISM

WAKE UP MCCain Palin>>>> HANDS OFF.

seejanemom on September 15, 2008 at 2:48 PM[/quote]

I am no fan of government getting in the way, but some oversight on the mortgage buying binge would have stopped this silliness.

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM

We’re going to put an end to the abuses in Washington and on Wall Street that have resulted in a crisis that we are seeing unfold today.

This from the guy who’s gung-ho for the bailouts?

Meh.

VolMagic on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM

seejanemom on September 15, 2008 at 2:48 PM

Why is that troubling to you? Since the government sees where it is screwing up and wants to fix it now. But not with the same people who screwed it up?

The only way you fix something usually is on your own… am I correct? So how is this troubling to you? WTF is the Government going to do, hire a Maid?

upinak on September 15, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Woohoo! Nice shout out to Mark Schlereth!!!

rockmom on September 15, 2008 at 2:51 PM

John McCain got back to policy today

Great! Let the nonsense about email shake itself out on talk radio. Focus on giving the undecideds positive reasons to vote McCain-Palin.

Y-not on September 15, 2008 at 2:51 PM

There’s no good way out of this one for Mac. I’ll not easily forget his “Club for Greed” crap during the primaries. But if he’s got to go populist to win this, so be it.

Hannibal Smith on September 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM

I am no fan of government getting in the way, but some oversight on the mortgage buying binge would have stopped this silliness.

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM

No. Not having an implicit tax-payer buyout on the crummy loans would have stopped this silliness.

VolMagic on September 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM

McCain: I know we have a problem and here’s a solution.

Obama: I know we have a problem and it’s Bush’s fault.

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 2:47 PM

This seems to sum up the campaigns, and it is therefore disheartening that McCain’s “bounce” is not growing or even holding up. The margins continue to shrink on realclearpolitics.com and gallup polls.

Hunt035 on September 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM

The idea that the GOVERNMENT needs to FIX what it F*CKED is the most troubling, troubling part.

Ultimate scape goat: CAPITALISM

WAKE UP MCCain Palin>>>> HANDS OFF.

seejanemom on September 15, 2008 at 2:48 PM

I think that everyone believes that there should be regulations in order to ensure that the capital markets work properly. This means that companies shouldn’t be able to manipulate their financial results or engage in deceptive practices and wholesale fraud.

Illinidiva on September 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Somebody needs to point out that the Dems have been in control of Congress for two years and instead of looking for oil or making sure the economy didn’t collapse, they spent their time trying to get out of a war that we’re winning.

Kafir on September 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM

but some oversight on the mortgage buying binge would have stopped this silliness.

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM

the government encouraged this by encouraging loans to illegals, and other unqualified borrowers. its of course racism to deny any minority a loan, no matter if they can pay it back, or if they’re citizens or not.

right4life on September 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM

I hear that there’s huge potential in the energy market.

Jussayin’

My wife’s co-worker is hedging his bets. He recently called in orders to his stock broker to buy shares in companies that manufacture infrastructure parts for oil platforms.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Obama is attacking McCain hard for suggesting that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. My question to Obama would be, what fundamental part of the economy would Obama change? Of course, he would have no answer.

Complete7 on September 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM

you may want to get some euros too…the bailout of freddie and fannie is not going to be good for the dollar long term I’m afraid.

right4life on September 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM

The idea that the GOVERNMENT needs to FIX what it F*CKED is the most troubling, troubling part.

Ultimate scape goat: CAPITALISM

WAKE UP MCCain Palin>>>> HANDS OFF.

seejanemom on September 15, 2008 at 2:48 PM

“Hands off” means no government-backed securities (Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac”), no bail-outs (Bear Stearns), and an SEC that can actually require and enforce ethical disclosures.

It ain’t capitalism that’s failed here…..

NeighborhoodCatLady on September 15, 2008 at 2:55 PM

the government encouraged this by encouraging loans to illegals, and other unqualified borrowers. its of course racism to deny any minority a loan, no matter if they can pay it back, or if they’re citizens or not.

right4life on September 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM

When I say oversight, I meant as in making sure it’s a capitalistic market. Which means, no racial favoritism or quotas.

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 2:55 PM

These are the comments that the Obama surrogate was blatantly misrepresenting in the Hemmer interview.

Those guys are really getting desperate.

forest on September 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM

I like the way McCain and Palin ignore the media as much as possible and speak straight to the voter.
JustTruth101 on September 15, 2008 at 2:47 PM

That was always Reagan’s greatest strength.

His ability to talk over the heads of the chattering class, directly to the people.

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM

“Barack Obama blamed the crisis on the management of the Bush administration, and it did occur on their watch, but the blame can get spread out to Congress as well…

Yeah, like Bush didn’t threaten veto after veto; wait till January 2009 when the Democrats will have 60 plus votes in the Senate and a majority in the House.

It’ll be “Katy bared the door” with respect to the Republican obstructionists.

“They’ll be hit with so many lefts, they’ll be beggin’ for a right…!”

J_Gocht on September 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM

My question to Obama would be, what fundamental part of the economy would Obama change?

Complete7 on September 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Redistribution of wealth, baby.

Y-not on September 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Also go with items that make Natural Gas run and for pielines.

Don’t go Euro… wtf do they get their material from? Same place we do.

upinak on September 15, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Barack Obama blamed the crisis on the management of the Bush administration, and it did occur on their watch, but the blame can get spread out to Congress as well.

Ed, love ya, but Fannie and Freddie did not happen on Bush’s watch. It happened on everyone’s watch.

And

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 2:47 PM

+10

beatcanvas on September 15, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Obamabots are already out all over the blogs today pushing thr meme that McCain “once again” says that “the fundamentals of our economy are strong.” — They are shameless in their willingness to just lie about McCain’s actual words.
rockmom on September 15, 2008 at 2:46 PM

I’ve noticed.

wise_man on September 15, 2008 at 2:57 PM

I have no problem with people making a lot of money for doing a good job, but these CEOs who run a company into the ground and then get millions of shareholder’s money just to leave need to be stopped. She is right and she is remarkable. Greasy Joe has got to be quaking in his boots.

bloggless on September 15, 2008 at 2:57 PM

But if he’s got to go populist to win this, so be it.

Hannibal Smith on September 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Sadly, I think he has no choice. We’re lucky to be marginally ahead in the race right now. McCain’s playing from a huge disadvantage and is going to have to do a few things the base doesn’t like to win.

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Wow! Sarah keeps getting better & more powerful on the stump! I am so proud of her.

Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM

sigh…Blame Dubya..Blame Dubya…sounds like a stupid song.

Sheila: Times have changed
Our kids are getting worse
They won’t obey their parents
They just want to fart and curse!
Sharon: Should we blame the government?
Liane: Or blame society?
Dads: Or should we blame the images on TV?
Sheila: No, blame Dubya
Everyone: Blame Dubya
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flapping heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Dubya
Blame Dubya
Sheila: We need to form a full assault
Everyone: It’s Dubya’s fault!
Sharon: Don’t blame me
For my son Stan
He saw the damn cartoon
And now he’s off to join the Klan!
Liane: And my boy Eric once
Had my picture on his shelf
But now when I see him he tells me to fuck myself!
Sheila: Well, blame Dubya
Everyone: Blame Dubya
Sheila: It seems that everything’s gone wrong
Since Canada came along
Everyone: Blame Dubya
Blame Dubya
Copy Guy: They’re not even a real country anyway
Ms. McCormick: My son could’ve been a doctor or a lawyer rich and true,
Instead he burned up like a piggy on the barbecue
Everyone: Should we blame the matches?
Should we blame the fire?
Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?
Sheila: heck no!
Everyone: Blame Dubya
Blame Dubya
Sheila: With all their hockey hullabaloo
Liane: And that bitch Anne Murray too
Everyone: Blame Dubya
Shame on Dubya
For…
The smut we must stop
The trash we must bash
The Laughter and fun
Must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before somebody thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!!!!

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM

I’m no fan of oversight, but certain folks on Wall Street and the energy sector have shown that they’re nothing more than brats who need mommy and daddy to watch over them constantly.

I think along with his message on Wall Street reform, McCain could score BIG points if he addressed the disastrous effects of deregulating the energy market. Again, I hate regulation, but when companies (especially utility companies which are just government enabled monopolies) prove that they can’t help themselves, something has to be done. The Wall Street reform talk won’t get to people’s hearts as much as the reforming the energy sector.

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 2:49 PM

You have to realize that there was no deregulation of the financial markets.

You also have to realize that the big problem with the financial markets were the explicit and implicit loan guarantees that the politicians have been handing out for years.

As to energy, there was only one deregulation plan that failed, and that was California’s. If you examine the California plan, it wasn’t deregulation, it was merely re-regulation. And very poorly done.

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Go to 2:20 on Palin’s speech. She’s awesome!

lodge on September 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM

If McCain and Palin make the mistake of over-regulating the financial markets, the corporations will have no one to blame but themselves, because of their shameful behavior.

irishspy on September 15, 2008 at 3:00 PM

I don’t like populism or anti-business messages. Neither McCain nor Palin have bona fides to speak to this. McCain should use this opportunity to prominently identify his economic advisors, and allow someone like Steve Forbes to speak– mindful of course that this is still the Bush administration.

JiangxiDad on September 15, 2008 at 3:00 PM

I am no fan of government getting in the way, but some oversight on the mortgage buying binge would have stopped this silliness.

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM

And what binge might that have been?

You do realize that the govt pretty much ordered the banks to start giving loans to minorities who wouldn’t otherwise have qualified for loans?

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2008 at 3:01 PM

beatcanvas on September 15, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Wow, that’s the most pluses I’ve ever gotten. Thanks.

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Sarah is confusing Wall Street with corporate governance. “Golden Parachutes” are granted by Boards of Directors, not by Wall Street. Investors who disapprove of the practice should simply avoid those companies that use it. There is no need for government to regulate the way companies compensate their executives.

RedWinged Blackbird on September 15, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Dammit. This isn’t conservatism, Sarah.

Ugh. Government wanting to regulate CEO pay?

lorien1973 on September 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM

We’re going to put an end to the abuses in Washington and on Wall Street that have resulted in a crisis that we are seeing unfold today.

This from the guy who’s gung-ho for the bailouts?
Meh.
VolMagic on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Not very smart, are you?

McCain and Palin on bailouts: We need fundamental reform

Enduring reform of Fannie and Freddie is a key first step. We will make sure that they are permanently restructured and downsized, and no longer use taxpayer backing to serve lobbyists, management, boards and shareholders. — Policies must be in place to ensure that homeowners provide a responsible down payment of equity in the initial purchase of a loan. In the future, Fannie, Freddie or any government organization should never insure a loan when the homeowner doesn’t have enough of his or her own capital in the investment.

Meh.

wise_man on September 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM

I am getting REALLY tired of the same jokes/talking points Palin used in the convention speech.

And I’m a huge fan.

Everybody has heard these. Yes, they’re funny. Once or twice. But the more they repeat them, the more it sounds like Palin doesn’t have any thoughts of her own.

It’s starting to “annoy” me to the point of “concern.”

benjamin on September 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM

“They’ll be hit with so many lefts, they’ll be beggin’ for a right…!”

J_Gocht on September 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM

You must be a Utopian idealist.

Entelechy on September 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM

You do realize that the govt pretty much ordered the banks to start giving loans to minorities who wouldn’t otherwise have qualified for loans?

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Bingo. But then the banks/brokerage houses stopped caring and basically said wtf. They all fed at the trough. The new Sheriff better have a good economic posse.

JiangxiDad on September 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM

You have to realize that there was no deregulation of the financial markets.

I do realize that, i was talking about the de-regulation of the energy market ;)

You also have to realize that the big problem with the financial markets were the explicit and implicit loan guarantees that the politicians have been handing out for years.

My definition of oversight is that the gov’t has to make sure things are operating in a proper capitalistic way, in that, there is to be no implicit buyouts from the gov’t.

As to energy, there was only one deregulation plan that failed, and that was California’s. If you examine the California plan, it wasn’t deregulation, it was merely re-regulation. And very poorly done.

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Which de-regulation plans in the energy sector have worked?

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM

benjamin on September 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Obama’s been giving the same stump speech for 2 years now.

I’m a little concerned too. But remember, McCain and Palin start townhalls in battle ground states later this week, so you’ll have a lot of new clips soon.

lorien1973 on September 15, 2008 at 3:05 PM

If McCain and Palin make the mistake of over-regulating the financial markets, the corporations will have no one to blame but themselves, because of their shameful behavior.

I respectfully disagree. It’s government’s intrusion into the market that caused this mess. Fannie and Mac had no accountability. They were government-backed and acted as irresponsible as the government does and now the whole market is suffering for it.

It needs to be communicated that this current situation is not a result of capitalism; it is the result of government intrusion.

I do not like what I’m hearing from McCain on this issue. More regulation is just going to cause more corruption.

When will we learn?

hisfrogness on September 15, 2008 at 3:05 PM

just to be clear:

oversight & regulation = watchdog in my vocabulary, not some heavy handed approach.

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 3:06 PM

I’m glad this “turmoil” is boiling. It’s time to stop the bailing out of corporations, banks, lenders, and individual ninnies.

Entelechy on September 15, 2008 at 3:06 PM

McCain is not faking here. People are scared. My father called me in a panic last night because his retirement funds are with Merrill Lynch. He rally doesn’t need to hear barack Obama doing nothing but twisting McCain’s words and blaming George Bush. He wants to know that his money is safe.

rockmom on September 15, 2008 at 3:06 PM

If McCain and Palin make the mistake of over-regulating the financial markets, the corporations will have no one to blame but themselves, because of their shameful behavior.

That’s the usual socialist mantra.

I do not like what I’m hearing from McCain on this issue. More regulation is just going to cause more corruption.

Yep!

lorien1973 on September 15, 2008 at 3:06 PM

I also totally approve of the timing. The American voters must seriously decide, and then live with the consequences.

Entelechy on September 15, 2008 at 3:07 PM

And what binge might that have been?

You do realize that the govt pretty much ordered the banks to start giving loans to minorities who wouldn’t otherwise have qualified for loans?

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Please inform me. My understanding is that the banks did this to themselves, however you are the second person to say that the government pushed the banks into doing this, so I am interested about that. Can you point me to some articles or something?

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Neither McCain nor Palin have bona fides to speak to this. McCain should use this opportunity to prominently identify his economic advisors, and allow someone like Steve Forbes to speak…

JiangxiDad on September 15, 2008 at 3:00 PM

I’m not a big fan of relying on proxies for this sort of thing. Perhaps he can make a show of pointing to his economic advisors (although I think we have a good idea of who some of them are already), but they shouldn’t speak for him or Palin.

I think they (McCain, Palin) should keep their message simple and deliver it directly to the people. We know that Obama is a big government, big earmark, redistribution of wealth guy. The contrast to McCain-Palin is really clear. They do have bona fides to show with their respective records on earmarks and reducing spending.

Y-not on September 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM

I don’t get it. Maybe J_Gocht can explain something here. Why would I vote for a guy who’s main message is: “I’ll screw the successful people over?” Instead of the Republican message of: “See these successful people? We want you to be like them.”

Democrats don’t have anything but “We hate success! It’s not fair that those guys work hard and make money, while you can’t by sitting on your butt. We promise to ruin the party for them, if you vote for us. Communism for the win, baby!”

Seriously, I may be envious and jealous of the rich people, but that doesn’t mean I want to steal their money. Democrats are really the party of theft. They steal everything–other people’s money, other peoples success, other people’s good works. Look at Murtha–he’s nothing more than a thief of the highest order.

It really comes down to choice, doesn’t it? The Dem’s boil down to one philosophy: “Give us your choices, and we can guarantee your success. No risk! We’ll make all your decisions on health care, jobs, how much money is ‘right’ for you to have, what kind of car you can drive, and so forth. All you have to do for all of this security is give up all your choices and freedoms. Deal?”

Vanceone on September 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Well one thing I did notice is Mrs. Palin is starting to feel more comfortable and enjoying herself much more then the first couple days.
She is hitting her stride and it shows!!!

Give em hell!

HoosierCon on September 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM

I am no fan of government getting in the way, but some oversight on the mortgage buying binge would have stopped this silliness.

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM

We tried that already. The Oil Patch Failures of the 1980’s led to a tightening of credit that affected the middle class. Congress threatened sweeping legislation, and the banking industry loosened credit standards so that poorly financed people could borrow money on assets they could not afford. As long as the economy chugged along, interest rates fell. As long as interest rates stayed low, people could borrow. When the credit bubble burst last year, it all started coming apart and now we have bailout after bailout.

I guarantee you we will see a rash of bank failures, followed by a credit tightening, followed by Congressional threats, followed by a credit loosening, followed by this same old shit all over again.

Our financial markets work just fine when politicians keep their ignorant hands off the control levers.

GulfCoastBamaFan on September 15, 2008 at 3:09 PM

Half of the people on this board know nothing of economic reform. So I’m going to ignore most of the people on here and state the obvious:

America’s financial status is in major crisis. It’s going to be very tough on all of us. Who do we want leading? McCain, who has a small bit of principle left, or Obama, who has no problem with buttporking the American People?

It’s your choice.

Sakaki on September 15, 2008 at 3:09 PM

Can you point me to some articles or something?

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Here you go. Government made the fannie mae mess.

Internal documents show that even late in the housing bubble, Fannie Mae was drawn to risky loans by a variety of temptations, including the desire to increase its market share and fulfill government quotas for the support of low-income borrowers.

lorien1973 on September 15, 2008 at 3:09 PM

benjamin on September 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Not everyone is watching the same speeches. They need to do this to get their message to the people. If they deliver a different speech on each and every different occasion, then there would be some people who would complain that they were all over the board and didn’t have any focus.

It’s people like us who watch the speeches. And about 90% of America or so who isn’t tuned into politics that see one of their dozens of speeches. The speech is mostly for them. Because they are the people who vote, in addition to us. This happens every campaign. If you would to ask the reporters covering politics all the time, they would agree.

That’s why McCain likes town halls, they are different most of the time because they are driven by the questions from the people. And this is also why Obama doesn’t like town halls, when he’s off prompter, he loses his safety net.

wise_man on September 15, 2008 at 3:09 PM

Government was to open up to those who may not have made a whole lot, but enough that the could own a smaller house or whatever.

The only problem is people have eye bigger then their wallets, other people buy fixer-uppers and flipped them at outrageous costs and the fact that the Mortgage companies and the banks schemed a way to do interest rates to those who really didn’t know better.

Who is to blame? Everyone! Everyone is… to the Government, to the People who should have thought economical and not what is the biggest to the Flippers to the Mortgage Companies and Banks.

You can’t put this on just one person or thing…. it is too broad.

upinak on September 15, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Since my husband is a miner I we didn’t go oil we went coal every coal company that trades and joy which makes mine machinery coal is going to go like fire because they are getting ready to open more clean burning coal plants here in WV and also they are selling coal to China like crazy.

tee866 on September 15, 2008 at 3:11 PM

She just keeps getting better and better

ArmyAunt on September 15, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Upinak: We need to talk outside of this place. You’re a breath of fresh “hotair(.com)”.

Sakaki on September 15, 2008 at 3:11 PM

It’s all about timing and message coordination.

Today’s messages:
MSM: Lehman bankruptcy, financial crisis
McCain: Financial crisis response
Obama: McCain’s a big fat liar. The Media says so!

The lumbering dinosaur of the Obama campaign is still fighting last week’s battle about the trivial stuff, when things feel more serious.

Re: “Fundamentals are Strong”

McCain’s got a great response on this one — the strong fundamental he’s talking about is the extraordinary skill, competence, and productivity of the American worker.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the slow-to-reorient Obama camp does come back with, “John McCain just doesn’t get it. He’d still like you to believe that the ‘fundamentals are strong’…” As with the Pig in Lipstick line, the temporal juxtaposition of these statements will then make any mocking comment Obama releases about the fundamentals into a direct attack on blue-collar workers in America. Of course, he could insulate himself from this by tacking on a few sentences praising the American worker and explaining why he thinks worker productivity is not one of the fundamentals of our economy… but… I’d be shocked if his handlers were able to change gears that fast. They certainly haven’t shown any sign of agility thus far.

ClintACK on September 15, 2008 at 3:12 PM

I also want to know why Bank of America suddenly appeared to buy out both Countrywide and Merrill. Those two institutions, along with Fannie Mae, are the primary culprits in this mess. With a sale, all of their horrible lending practices, nonexistent risk management, and shady securities sales will be swept under the rug. If they were allowed to go bankrupt, this stuff would have come out in the bankruptcy court as creditors sought restitution and filed lawsuits. There’s a huge coverup going on here.

rockmom on September 15, 2008 at 3:12 PM

lorien1973 on September 15, 2008 at 3:09 PM

Thanks for that.

That’s just dumb, why the hell would they want banks to lend money to low income borrowers. That’s not oversight by my definition, it’s just socialist welfare crap, because you know the low income borrower ain’t gonna pay it back, and then who the hell winds up with the tab?

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 3:13 PM

RedWinged Blackbird on September 15, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Who said she had the first clue concerning the national economy or the stock market, John McCain…?

J_Gocht on September 15, 2008 at 3:14 PM

The fundamentals of our economy are strong.
- John McCain

If John McCain thinks that the fundamentals of our economy are strong, why reform anything?

Which brings up the second question – Why would anyone trust someone to reform things who thinks that the fundamentals of our economy are strong?

I am actually surprised that his campaign has not said that John McCain was not speaking for John McCain when he said that the fundamentals of our economy are strong, something anyway.

MB4 on September 15, 2008 at 3:15 PM

ClintACK on September 15, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Whoever at Team McCain came up with his fundamentals of the economy line today is very smart. I didn’t think so right away, but given some thought it basically neutralizes Obama’s attacks on McCain’s earlier statement to the same.

Now if Obama tries to say that McCain “thinks the fundamentals of the economy are strong” (which it looks like they are already trying to do) McCain can paint him at insulting the American worker.

Pretty smart move, if that’s what they were going for.

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 3:16 PM

J_Gocht on September 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM

wishful thinking. your messiah is gonna lose, and you will lose house and senate members.

and if you win, we end up with the USSA (united socialist states of amerikkka) where some pigs are more equal than others

I’m sure you’ll be very happy comrade!

right4life on September 15, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Yes, only the shareholders/board of directors can rein in CEO pay. The govt. simply has no business putting a cap or whatever on independent businesses’ CEO compensation. That said, if the company goes belly up b/c of the incompentence of said CEO, CFO, board members etc. I see no reason that they shouldn’t forfeit their “golden parachutes” to offset any and all losses incurred by the shareholders due to their mismanagement.

JAM on September 15, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Upinak: We need to talk outside of this place. You’re a breath of fresh “hotair(.com)”.

Sakaki on September 15, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Sakaki, remember I am the “outsider” from Alaska. I am the bumpkin. I don’t know crap, per many.

But I am far from stupid, I look (or try) at the whole picture and I am not totally college edumacated!

I am just tired of the finger pointing.

upinak on September 15, 2008 at 3:16 PM

As with the Maverick of the Senate, I have some differences with the Maverick from Alaska. But Governor Palin is an inspiring & strong woman, and a very genuine person. So, like McCain, at least I know where she stands and that she is fighting for us.

What does Senator Obama stand for or fight for for, other than the best angle of the spotlight shining on himself?

Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 3:16 PM

MB4 on September 15, 2008 at 3:15 PM

Back to quoting people, I see. I was getting worried these past couple of days.

See my above comment about how smart I think McCain’s new use of this line is. I’m curious to know what you think.

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 3:17 PM

My definition of oversight is that the gov’t has to make sure things are operating in a proper capitalistic way, in that, there is to be no implicit buyouts from the gov’t.

You want to use govt regulation to ensure that markets stay capitalistic????

That would be the first time in the history of the universe that such a thing has happened.

Govt regulation is used to ensure that the friends of politicians get rich. It has no other purpose.

As to de-regulation plans that worked. Texas for one.

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2008 at 3:18 PM

MB4 on September 15, 2008 at 3:15 PM

OK MB, (ltns btw) when did McCain say that quote? What was it in reference too?

upinak on September 15, 2008 at 3:19 PM

oversight & regulation = watchdog in my vocabulary, not some heavy handed approach.

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Given the nature of beaurocracies and govt, oversight and regulation always ends up heavy handed.

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2008 at 3:19 PM

OT. Is Mac drawing a decent crowd without the Barracuda? A superficial concern, I know, but at least I’m honest about it.

pugwriter on September 15, 2008 at 3:21 PM

second person to say that the government pushed the banks into doing this, so I am interested about that. Can you point me to some articles or something?

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 3:07 PM

NEW YORK — Bank of America Corp. has begun offering credit cards to customers without Social Security numbers, typically illegal immigrants, the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday.

In recent years, banks across the country have been offering checking accounts and even mortgages to the nation’s fast-growing ranks of undocumented immigrants, most of whom are Hispanic, the paper said, adding these immigrants generally have not been able to get major credit cards.

link

right4life on September 15, 2008 at 3:22 PM

pugwriter on September 15, 2008 at 3:21 PM

He had a pretty good size crowd for his townhall in Orlando today if that helps any.

tee866 on September 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Please inform me. My understanding is that the banks did this to themselves, however you are the second person to say that the government pushed the banks into doing this, so I am interested about that. Can you point me to some articles or something?

YellowDawg on September 15, 2008 at 3:07 PM

It started about 20 years ago. Some activists started claiming that banks were engaged in what they called redlining. That is, they were refusing to loan to otherwise qualified candidate, merely because the candidates were black.

What the activists had done was just look at income. They compared whites who made a particular income to blacks who made the same income, and found that blacks got fewer loans, for smaller amounts. What the activists didn’t do was look at any of the dozen other things that banks also look at, things like credit history, time in job, etc.

The regulators then told the banks that unless they fixed this “prblem”, the banks could expect to be sued.

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM

I like the way McCain and Palin ignore the media as much as possible and speak straight to the voter.
JustTruth101 on September 15, 2008 at 2:47 PM

And once elected, this is what they have to keep doing. I think the world of GWB, but I think he has failed miserably at talking to the American people. I was a kid when Reagan was president, but I seem to remember him always being out talking through the camera to the average American. That is what McCain and Palin have been doing, and what they have to keep doing.

Kevin71 on September 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM

OT. Is Mac drawing a decent crowd without the Barracuda? A superficial concern, I know, but at least I’m honest about it.

pugwriter on September 15, 2008 at 3:21 PM

3,000 at a Florida rally today. About half what she got, but not bad for a Monday morning. Last month we would have been thrilled to hear he convinced 3,000 people to show up and hear him talk.

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM

According to Michael Frias, a spokesman for the FDIC, “Banks aren’t legally required to verify legal status. There is no federal law which requires banks to verify the immigration status of foreign account holders.”

link

right4life on September 15, 2008 at 3:24 PM

right4life on September 15, 2008 at 3:22 PM

That’s even a new one to me. Dammit! Govt bailing out these people only encourages more bad behavior.

lorien1973 on September 15, 2008 at 3:24 PM

don’t get it. Maybe J_Gocht can explain something here. Why would I vote for a guy who’s main message is: “I’ll screw the successful people over?” Instead of the Republican message of: “See these successful people? We want you to be like them.”

People like J-Gocht start with the assumption that they can never succeed. That the world is stacked against them. So they demand that govt fix the problems that they can’t.

Of course they never accept the fact that the bad decisions they made in life are the primary cause of their problems. The problems are always caused by someone else.

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Not everyone is watching the same speeches. They need to do this to get their message to the people. If they deliver a different speech on each and every different occasion, then there would be some people who would complain that they were all over the board and didn’t have any focus.

It’s people like us who watch the speeches. And about 90% of America or so who isn’t tuned into politics that see one of their dozens of speeches. The speech is mostly for them.

Yeah, I get that. I’m talking specifically about the now-stale jokes. Everybody has heard these. Anybody that hasn’t been exposed to enough media to at least here these “zingers” isn’t a likely voter.

Nothing wrong with staying on message. Not my complaint at all.

benjamin on September 15, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Here’s the thing… this is AWESOME strategy. They used Palin to drag Obama into the mud… the McCain-is-old ad shows that he is there. Now, they proceed to press HARD with substantive policy points and to hammer him on his actual policies, taking him off balance again and forcing him to abandon his “gloves off” plan for retaliation.

They are playing this guy like a fiddle, and I honestly suspect we are looking at a very, very big win in November. Obama waited too long to listen to some of the advice he was getting. He has no idea how to run or win a national campaign.

DaveS on September 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Oil closed at under 99 dollars a barrel for the first time since June people.And yet I paid 3.99 a gallon for gas I swear they are making mad money right now off us.

tee866 on September 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Back to quoting people, I see.

Don’t compalin. I was quoting your hero afterall.

I was getting worried these past couple of days.

BadgerHawk on September 15, 2008 at 3:17 PM

I hope you didn’t lose too much sleep or lose too much wieght unless you wanted to lose weight.

Actually McCain is just lucky that Gramm made his whiny mental recession crack and got showed to the side sometime ago. Otherwise, given that McCain started out saying that people were frightened and then said that the fundamentals of our economy are strong and Gramm had been there with him he might have whispered into John’s ear to say that people are in a whiny mental recession.

MB4 on September 15, 2008 at 3:28 PM

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