Is New York in play? Update: Obama loses 13 points since June
posted at 8:30 am on September 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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According to the New York Post, internal polling by both Democrats and Republicans show Barack Obama beginning to fade in New York. Once considered an unassailable bastion for Democrats, the Empire State has narrowed to a potential catastrophe for them, all the way down the ticket. Polls out today will show a significant gain for John McCain, and a nightmare for Obama:
BOOSTED by the selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate, Republican John McCain has experienced a surge of support among women in heavily Democratic New York state – where he has closed the gap with Barack Obama, new private polls show.
The internal Republican and Democratic polls, details of which were provided to The Post, have stunned members of both parties – and produced deep worries among Democrats. …
The private polls have consistently shown the Obama-Biden ticket still leading but with less than 50 percent of the vote in a state where Democrats outnumber Republicans by over 2.3 million voters.
The last Siena poll had Obama only up by eight in August. Apparently, that margin has narrowed even further, a shocking result for a Northeastern state considered a lock for Democrats. The McCain campaign may start spending money in New York if the results get further confirmed by public polls due out today and later this week.
What happened? The Post credits the selection of Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate, but the snub of their Senator by Obama for the other position may have created a backlash among New Yorkers. The tax problems of Charlie Rangel may have contributed to the falling fortunes of Democrats, and the Post forgets that this is the first election since Eliot Spitzer’s resignation over his affairs with high-priced hookers. If the Republican brand suffered nationally, the Democratic brand isn’t doing well in New York now, and the reform rhetoric of Obama isn’t convincing voters there.
If Obama loses his grip on New York, he can’t possibly win the election. If he has to sink a large amount of money in New York, he’ll have to take it from his efforts in battleground states, and he’ll have to cut his face time in places like Michigan, Ohio, Colorado, and Minnesota. That’s a recipe for defeat, both financially and electorally.
Just a week ago, his campaign shrugged off the national polls by asserting that the state polls were what counted. As this shows, the national polls provide a pretty good barometer about what one can expect in the states. If New York becomes a toss-up, Obama can kiss his White House aspirations good-bye.
Update: The Siena poll of likely voters in New York shows just how bad Obama has fared. He lost 13 points off his lead since clinching the nomination, and now barely leads outside the margin of error — and can’t get to a majority:
Seven weeks until Election Day, the race for President has tightened in New York, with Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) leading Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) 46-41 percent among likely voters, according to a new Siena (College) Research Institute poll released today. Obama’s five point lead is down from eight points in August, 13 points in July and 18 points in June, when he led 51-33 percent. On a series of six questions concerning current issues in the campaign – economy, Iraq, terrorism, health care, America’s position in the world, and education – likely voters believe Obama will do a better job on four. Conversely, out of six attributes voters often look at in choosing a candidate – compassion, patriotism, experience, intelligence, integrity, and leadership – New York’s electorate gives the edge to McCain on four.
“Although New York has long been regarded as a ‘safe’ state for the Democrats in presidential politics, likely voters in the Empire State are currently only giving Senator Obama a five-point cushion,” said Steven Greenberg, spokesman for the Siena New York Poll. “The conventions are over. The running mates are set. And as voters begin to focus on the race, New York’s overwhelming Democratic enrollment advantage is not reflected in how voters tell Siena they plan to vote.”
McCain has made significant gains in New York largely on national security and personal attributes. He wins on terrorism, 54-33, and edges Obama in ensuring American strength, 47-41. McCain obliterates him on personal qualities, especially patriotism (59-21), experience (73-18), and perhaps most unsettling for Team O, integrity (43-38).
Update: Obama lost 13 points on an 18-point lead, not 18 points. My apologies for the confusion.
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NY will likely be less blue than normal, but folks… It ain’t gonna happen. Even Hillary doesn’t have that kind of power. She just picked NY because it was basically blue and Billy Bob wanted an office in Harlem to be near the who… whoever might want to meet him. Yeah, that’s it.
Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 9:32 AM
My inner Machiavelli says:
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 9:33 AM
Agreed, but there are easier ways than trying to turn the only state in the Union where you need a permit just to transport a firearm and where the Village is considered normal.
Spinning wheels on this one. Moving to next topic.
Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 9:36 AM
Strange,as Hot Air cruises the
political waters,not one troll
has popped up yet,how odd! a hem.
canopfor on September 15, 2008 at 9:38 AM
I understand your point, Tommy. The fact that Mac’s campaign opened up an office on Long Island, however, indicates that they may have access to polling data that suggests a protracted confrontation in NY would benefit McCain and hinder Obama. And it makes perfect sense, because McCain would be bringing the battle to Obama’s doorstep.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 9:40 AM
There will continue to be ripples with the availability of credit to main street. Also AIG looks to be the bigger story today.
There will be more federal regulation whether McCain or Obama is elected. The regulations will address transparency and leverage levels.
dedalus on September 15, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! You’ll jinx it.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 9:41 AM
John McCain was first no threat now he’s a grave and growing threat.
New York/Florida Jewish voters are going to consider Obama’s world view and flip flopping on foreign policy issues. Not good news for the One.
moxie_neanderthal on September 15, 2008 at 9:42 AM
I’d keep my eye on Connecticut and Rhode Island, both more likely to swing Republican than New York. I just got back from campaigning in both states. (I was there petitioning to get Libertarian Bob Barr on the ballot – we were successful in both RI and CT).
What stunned me is that there are “redneck” areas of both Rhode Island and Connecticut. Eastern CT is hardcore redneck – Brooklyn, Danielston, north of New London. Same with Rhode Island. You wouldn’t believe it, but once you get outside of very liberal government hand-outs Providence, it’s redneck country, most especially west of Warwick, (save Greenwich and Newport which are upper-crest Republican).
I say we have a shot in both Connecticut and Rhode Island. Can’t wait for the next poll numbers from these two states.
Eric
Libertarian Republican
Bob Barr supporter, turned McCain/Palin!
ericdondero on September 15, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Um, Eric…if you support McCain/Palin, then why did you (successfully) get Bob Barr on the ballot in CT and RI? Just curious.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 9:45 AM
Just the fact that there is a possibility of NY being in play makes me chortle with glee. Not getting too giddy yet, but this election might end up being a real blow out if the trends keep going like they are.
coyoterex on September 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM
That’s the key…the trends. If they keep moving in Mac’s direction, this election will be a blowout.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Oh, yes there certainly are. I took a friend from Florida to a bar in Foster, RI one time because there happened to be a great band playing. Let’s just say her reaction to the locals was hilarious.
Pablo on September 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM
ericdondero on September 15, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Good question. Sounds like someone is trying to get people here spun up on a pipedream.
Meanwhile, back in reality:
and
Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM
That’s what I am thinking. I live in upstate NY and as a previous poster from the city pointed out, not enough conservatives north of the city.
As much as I’d like to see Obama lose NY, I just can’t get excited about the polls. If Elliot Spitzer ran for Gov. again, the libs would vote him back into office.
That’s NY.
Talon on September 15, 2008 at 9:50 AM
As a lifelong New Yorker I cannot believe this. There may be pockets of communities upstate that vote red but sadly, this state is as blue as it gets. The enthusiasm for the Messiah may be flagging here a bit but New York City is piss drunk on Obama Coolaid and they aren’t sobering up any time soon.
muggedbyreality on September 15, 2008 at 9:51 AM
I’m nearby and I understand this far too well. Still, I have to say it’s encouraging to know that my family is not all alone in this neck of the city.
For McCain to carry NY he’d have to win big upstate and in all the suburbs. Can’t get my hopes up, but…
Gilda on September 15, 2008 at 9:53 AM
In a word, NO. Regardless of any snapshot polls that say otherwise right now, there is no way that Obama will lose either NY or CA. The GOP should ignore the state, except for individual House races that look competitive.
Physics Geek on September 15, 2008 at 9:54 AM
aint gonna win here on long island, mccain
we got too many blue bastards
blatantblue on September 15, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Obama will win New York when all is said and done – but if the polls are showing that it’s close, Obama is going to have to spend money there, because as Ed said, he has to win New York or he is cooked.
Whatever money he spends in New York – which contains the most pricey media market in the nation – is money he won’t be spending in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Flori… :)
Red Cloud on September 15, 2008 at 9:56 AM
And I speak as a former resident of New York. I grew up in the Adirondacks, where the two main parties are often the Republicans and the Conservatives.
NYC runs state politics. The best we ever did upstate was electing conservatives to Albany and sending a conservative congressman to Washington.
Red Cloud on September 15, 2008 at 9:59 AM
Yeah, great sources. They are problem a Dem and Repub who work there for the newspaper. “Well, prominent around the water cooler!”
Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Yeah, great sources. They are problem a Dem and Repub who work there for the newspaper. “Well, prominent around the water cooler!”
Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 10:02 AM
“problem”=”probably”. Sorry.
Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 10:04 AM
I’ve already got my hopes up too high as it is. NO WAY am I letting myself get fooled into buying into this.
Yakko77 on September 15, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Senator Obama can’t lose 50 of 50 without losing NY…..
CC
CapedConservative on September 15, 2008 at 10:16 AM
I have always thought it possible that His Nothingness could lose NY.If the Jewish and Hispanic voters in NYC are beginning to have second thoughts about The One he is in big trouble.
Needless to say BHO does not play well upstate or in the suburbs. They are hip to his new age Marxism and wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole.
DeweyWins on September 15, 2008 at 10:22 AM
CapedConservative –
but he can lose 50 of 57 without losing NY.
pablo5108 on September 15, 2008 at 10:25 AM
They’re probably waiting for the Todd had a DUI 22 years ago story to resurface. Or maybe another Obama Hope and Change story?
Mr_Magoo on September 15, 2008 at 10:25 AM
No such luck. MB4/Trailboss is already tolling on the “crisis” thread.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 10:30 AM
I believe that Long Island is one of the most liberal areas in NY. I was thinking it was an infertile place to plant a Republican campaign office.
Maybe it hangs together. I believe many of the Long Island liberals are Jewish.
burt on September 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM
New York Times calls for Rangel to step down as Ways and Means chairman. You know it’s bad now. The Democratic brand is as tarnished in New York as the Republican was in Ohio in 2006.
rockmom on September 15, 2008 at 11:06 AM
But it is enough to scare them and make them desperate. Which they are according to what I saw this am when Bill Hemmer was speaking with someone from the MANCHILD campaign. I could smell fear and frustration all the way down here in little old Mississippi!
It could force them to put more money into New York just so the MANCHILD MARXIST did not falter in NY. And despite the chorus singing “We are in the money” song, THE ONE does not have a never ending supply of moollah to spend. It definitely would cause them to be distracted on many levels.
I do not think McCain could win. However, as Dennis Miller said, “she is rattling around in his mellon!” and since the mellon has been invaded he and the zombies have not been thinking straight. The possibility of him not winning NY might rattle around in his mellon along with the Palin! LOL!
freeus on September 15, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Even if Obama continues to lead in New York and takes the state, the notion that he may be forced to campaign there and divert more campaign money there is just so indescribably delicious.
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 11:18 AM
I live in NYC and see plenty of Obamaphiles canvassing the streets with their propoganda. I asked one of them “Why waste time canvassing on the streets of NY? Shouldn’t this state be a lock for you guys?” He didn’t have an answer, and just rambled on about how Obama wants to include everyone, blah blah.
I think theyr’e genuinely concerned.
Its Tommy on September 15, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Melon-gate
bloggless on September 15, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Oh to be a fly on the wall in Azelrod’s office this morning.
Better yet, will Hillary be able to contain her GLEE at this news?
Elizabetty on September 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM
If McCain/Palin wins NY on election night, the O may as well call McCain and concede. That would nearly guarantee a landslide of Reagan porportions
ConservativePartyNow on September 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Interesting. Would love to see the demographic detail on those polls. I also cannot see Obama losing NY, BUT what if Obama thinks the same thing, does not redirect time and money to NY, NYers see that as him taking them for granted and McCain squeaking through on a narrow margin win?
deepdiver on September 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM
With McCain admiration for Joe Lieberman, it does not surprise me that New York is leaning.
I said last week that we would know by today or tomorrow what the real internal polls are showing (they spend millions for the real info, we get the freebie stuff). And I think it is showing, Obama is in real trouble, not a little but real deep trouble.
I think in two weeks if this trend continues, Pelosi and Reid abandon Obama, and begin fighting for their political lives.
McCain does not have to win it (although that would be a stake through the heart of Count Obama), just putting it into play makes Obama have to concentrate on state that is pivotal.
Add to that the Hillary factor, is she or is she not supporting Obama, Obama can’t take a chance.
Now if we could get California to begin acting the same way…
right2bright on September 15, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Come on folks. You know McCain isn’t going to win New York. It’s impossible.
SoulGlo on September 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Why even have election then?
Elizabetty on September 15, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Crater thy name is Obama.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 15, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Oh, if it could only be true…to put an R behind NY would be an earth-shattering defeat for the One.
It’s too good to be true…I dare not dream it. Just give me the more realistic VA, OH, PA, FL and MI and I’ll be happy.
JustTruth101 on September 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM
You’re probably right. Still, I’m going to vote for him. NY might be an immutable territory in the Democrat plantation but that doesn’t mean there aren’t free men living here who are willing to resist.
My vote may not matter but dammit it will be counted.
Gilda on September 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM
The larger issue is this news will force Obama to take time and resources away from Red states he is trying to poach like Colorado to defend states like New York.
McCain may not win New York because of these poll numbers but there is a very real chance it will help him win Colorado.
Elizabetty on September 15, 2008 at 11:44 AM
More power to you!
And the more like you in NY, the more that Obama/. . . . ticket has to divert resources to NY. YES!
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM
At Intrade, the Obama contracts (2008.Pres.Obama) are holding up well this morning. Of course, it could be that anyone with information about internal polling has already sold his contracts.
Kralizec on September 15, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Which is precisely why little Barry’s latest attack on McCain will fail miserably.
Buy Danish on September 15, 2008 at 11:47 AM
I surely hope all you chicken little NY’ers are sitting on your arses with these negative attitudes, are you?
All you need is a tipping point in NY and it will go red. Who knows what that might be (some live Palin?), but no excuse not to be trying to bring that baby home for McCain.
Remember: disillusioned Dems DO NOT VOTE.
I’m working to bring it home here in VA (I’m in VERY liberal No. VA) and, yes, I missed work and went to the McCain/Palin rally last week in Fairfax, VA.
I’ve been to the local McCain office here too and good/bad: no yard signs OR bumper stickers left!
Let’s Roll!
McCain/Palin ‘08
ex-Democrat on September 15, 2008 at 11:51 AM
When this is even a story…..you know the Dems are in trouble…
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Just a quickie comment ED… I smell a LANDSLIDE!!!
pueblo1032 on September 15, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Holy crap. Seems like New Yorkers have decided they know who the real Barack Obama is. That’s what happens when someone attacks your person – it changes the viewpoint for you.
Jaibones on September 15, 2008 at 11:55 AM
McCain/Palin don’t need to visit or spend a dime in NY. All they have to do is focus on the current swing states, which includes PA, and New Yorkers will see, hear & read a lot directly from McCain/Palin, unfiltered by the MSM.
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM
The last time a Republican Presidential candidate won New York State was 1984.
Ronaldo Maximus!!!
I don’t see that kind of ground swell across the country for John McCain.
However it is surprising to see BHO with only a 5 point lead.
And don’t forget the Bradley affect!!
CinC on September 15, 2008 at 11:58 AM
He lost five points 51 to 46. He lost 13 points of lead 18 to 5. He didn’t lose 18 points in any reported measure.
burt on September 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM
I am 3rd generation NYC and I completely agree. If McCain/Palin made a joint appearance Barry would soil his pants. In my former dem life I DID NOT VOTE WHEN DISASTISFIED with dem ticket.
DeweyWins on September 15, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Perhaps even more importantly, what does this mean for downticket New York Republican races?
Isn’t there a hot Congressional race with some Iraqi War Vet in Western New York? Super tight?
Bet now this will help propell him ahead.
ericdondero on September 15, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Long shot. Send Lieberman and Giuliani to campaign?
Count to 10 on September 15, 2008 at 12:10 PM
NY will likely be less blue than normal, but folks… It ain’t gonna happen. Even Hillary doesn’t have that kind of power. She just picked NY because it was basically blue and Billy Bob wanted an office in Harlem to be near the who… whoever might want to meet him. Yeah, that’s it.
Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 9:32 AM
Marines for Mccain on September 15, 2008 at 12:10 PM
My view of this might be skewed because I actually live in New York City and work in the art/design industry but I am not buying this poll. I am a McCain voter and I don’t know any conservatives. My own girlfriend (who is expecting twins) is not conservative. She is not a crazy liberal but she certainly isn’t conservative.
There are approximately 19.3 million people in NY state. 8.3 million live in new york city. New York City is, in my opinion, 75-85% liberal. Upstate is more conservative but just starting out so far behind in the major population areas like NYC and other metro zones one can see how much of an uphill battle it is for any Republican presidential candidate to get more than 40% of the statewide votes. That is why I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that any poll would show the race this close in New York. I just can’t see New Yorkers presidential vote being close.
We went to the NY state fair in syracuse two weeks ago and it was certainly a different crowd from what I was used to in the city metro area. But unless that crowd is more than say 55% of the NY state population McCain has no chance in New York.
titus_pullo on September 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Just a quickie comment ED… I smell a LANDSLIDE!!!
pueblo1032 on September 15, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Marines for Mccain on September 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM
It has nothing to do with being a chicken little and sitting on my ass. It has everything to do with being a realist, and understanding that the state I live in and more particularly in Long Island, is blue as blue can be. I’m not going to dream myself into a false reality of “oh NY is gonna tip for McCain!!!!!”
blatantblue on September 15, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Dude, are you going to marry that woman and take care of those babies?
Elizabetty on September 15, 2008 at 12:14 PM
As of a few days ago, McCain was scheduled to appear in NYC on 10/15. That’s not soon enough for me. The media magnification of such an event would make it worth it.
ParisParamus on September 15, 2008 at 12:16 PM
ericdondero
Bingo
peterargus on September 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Better yet, will Hillary be able to contain her GLEE at this news?
Elizabetty on September 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Marines for Mccain on September 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM
I’m guessing this the PUMA effect in play? Thinking about it, NY is likely to be full of them…
The real hope is that this will help the Republicans running for congress. In fact, there is plenty of danger if we get McCain and a strongly leftwing congress…
18-1 on September 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Besides distracting Obama and potentially diverting money, what the polling trends in NY, MN, etc do is to significantly depress enthusiasm for Dems and increase it for Republicans. There is a definite basic desire to “associate with a winner” factor involved in the decision making of independents.
Every poll that comes out that reinforces McCain/Palin’s increase will feed on itself.
chromium on September 15, 2008 at 12:20 PM
I don’t like all these polls showing deep blue states are in play. It’s unnerving.
Smells like shenanigans.
amkun on September 15, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Don’t get two excited about the fact there were no signs or stickers left. Republicans have been moribund in Fairfax for years. They don’t buy many of those things. Last governors election I had to go to Loudoun to get a sign.
burt on September 15, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Wow, this is freaky:
Online NY poll (highly unscientific, I know) that asks “Who are you voting for?” and the answer: 54% for McCain, 44 Obama, 4 undecided.
JustTruth101 on September 15, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Could this be a media trick, to fool conservatives into overconfidence?
JustTruth101 on September 15, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Hey, I’m a New Yorker. I’ve long thought my republican vote was worthless in this state. This is encouraging.
BTW, my wife and my in-laws, long time Democratic voters, have all flipped to McCain. Saddleback and the contrasting conventions were the tipping point.
AverageJoe on September 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Same here, on all five points. I guess there are two of us now, a 100% increase!
I recall reading that the Manhattan vote for Bush in 2004 was about 11%. So it’s probably closer to 90% here, the outer boroughs may make it closer to your estimate.
If NY has even a hint of real competitiveness Obama is toast. I doubt it’s possible but on a day like today (Wall Street) it’s nice to daydream about a tiny pocket of hope for a few minutes.
Gilda on September 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I live in the reliably blue Minneasota and I have not seen one lawn sign for either candidate and just a few bumper stickers for each. Is it too early or do people not care. What do you see in your neighborhood, Ed, or other Minnesotans?
debi118 on September 15, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Most polling outfits are partnered with Mainstream Media organizations. MSM are unabashedly in the tank for Obama.
They have been engaged in something I call “Agenda Polling” the past several election cycles.
They word polls in such a way and weigh the respondants in such a way as to get the desired results. They are trying to convince people that everybody else is voting for the DEM so you should too.
Then as the election gets closer they have to start slowly showing the real mood of the country as to not blow their cover when election day comes and the results are the opposite of their polls.
Watch the trend.
Elizabetty on September 15, 2008 at 12:33 PM
It’s for the fun Catholic dinner that they have where the candidates make cute, self-deprecating speeches, not for a campaign stop.
Illinidiva on September 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM
I lived in NY for five years, while at college. (I grew up in PR) My relatives have lived in NYC and the surrounding areas since the 50s. (That’s about four to five generations!)
There is NO WAY IN HELL they would vote Republican. They’d rather cut their wrists and throw themselves off the George Washington bridge.
I just don’t see NY state turning in McCain’s favor. That is impossible.
newton on September 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Predictions:
2009: the November landslide will equal the McGovern loss and mark the end of the far-left’s control of the Democratic party. Dean will be out. So will Pelosi and Reed. Obama will go back to Chicago. Lieberman will be seen as the “model” Democratic. Republicans win back control of congress.
The Daily Kos will join the ranks of the KKK in media attention. Time and Newsweek will merge and the NYT will be bought by Murdock then folded when the entire staff walks out in protest.
Rating will drop and heads will roll at MSNBC. Olbermann and Matthews will vanish to affiliates in Nebraska and Idaho, respectively.
MSM will talk and write about how they “failed” the public and embark on endless, woe-is-me navel gazing resulting in the public hating them even more.
By 2011 Gore is ridiculed across the globe as an alarmist as we move into the 3ND year of 50 year cold cycle. By the end of the year he’s bankrupt
2011: Michael Moore, now weighing nearly 525 lbs dies of sepsis in a Cuban hospital following gastric bypass surgery.
2012: McCain, as healthy as ever, declines to run for a second term and Palin wins in a landslide over Clinton.
Rod on September 15, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Er… um… racism?
Jim Treacher on September 15, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Correction: They’re no way in hell they would ADMIT voting Republican.
Jim Treacher on September 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Or “There’s.”
Jim Treacher on September 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Thank you. I needed that.
unclesmrgol on September 15, 2008 at 12:49 PM
McCain/Palin could drop in to do joint appearances with upstate Republicans who have a chance of winning.
The media will cover it regardless of the reason for the visit.
With the way Obama is over reacting to any and all threats, there’s always a chance he will dump money into the state that he doesn’t need to.
MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2008 at 12:52 PM
PUMA is definitely having an impact in this latest poll.
Godzilla on September 15, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Rudy Giuliani was elected Mayor of NYC. Stranger things could happen.
The democrats want to tell us that we are less safe from terrorism under George Bush. Not a single attack in NYC or anywhere else while Bush has been in charge making sure that the right people are watching and listening to the right people. And the democrats? Bush is listening in on you talking to your marijuana dealer. The democrats think that the success in Iraq has nothing to do with the surge and everything to dowith Iran.
I know that there are a lot of koolaid drinkers in NY, but if the city can elect Giuliani, could the state elect McCain?
wise_man on September 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM
I’m printing up the lawn signs now.
McCain has been in Western New York twice since June, to attend semi-private fundraisers. The smart folks around here wondered if that meant that ultimately he would launch an effort here . . .
W00T !
Doc Rochester on September 15, 2008 at 1:02 PM
ParisParamus
Last Presidential debate is at Hofstra University Long Island on Oct 15.
peterargus on September 15, 2008 at 1:04 PM
Well…18 points is a big CHANGE. And only Obama could have done it.
29Victor on September 15, 2008 at 1:15 PM
The Siena Poll of New York is devastating for Obama. Maybe he should practice harder on how to appear that he has genuine integrity.
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Need to correct the “Update” tag on this. Obama has lost 13 points off his lead, not 18.
Obama HAD an 18 point lead. The Sienna report shows he now has a 5 point lead. The article says the 5-point lead is down FROM his earlier leads of 8, 13 and 18 points earlier in the election.
connertown on September 15, 2008 at 1:19 PM
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