Did Obama try to scotch an Iraqi-US agreement on military forces?

posted at 8:00 am on September 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Amir Taheri accuses Barack Obama of interfering in the attempt to negotiate a status-of-forces agreement with Iraq while making his trip to Baghdad in July.  In his New York Post column, Taheri quotes the Iraqi Foreign Minister, on the record, telling him that Obama tried to convince the Iraqis to end the negotiations and instead ask the UN for another one-year extension to the current mandate.  That would have left US troops in current position for another year, but more importantly, would have provided the US a diplomatic setback that Obama could have exploited on the campaign trail:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops – and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its “state of weakness and political confusion.”

Color me skeptical in one aspect of Taheri’s argument.  He claims that this would have hypocritically delayed the withdrawal of American troops until 2011, and you have to read the column to see how he calculates that through Iraqi elections and parliamentary procedure.  That assumes, however, that an Obama administration would bother to negotiate a drawdown and withdrawal with Baghdad.  Obama probably will just pull American troops out of Iraq without worrying about such niceties as a status-of-forces agreement.

Hypocrisy isn’t the issue here; it’s the interference of Obama in military and diplomatic affairs.  Just on diplomacy, interfering with the United States in its diplomatic efforts is a Logan Act violation.  Interfering with war policy treads on even more serious ground, especially since the primary motivation appears to be winning an election without regard to whether it damages our ability to fight the enemy or drives wedges between us and our ally, the elected, representative government in Baghdad.

Taheri has had some credibility problems in the past.  He falsely accused the Iranian mullahcracy, who really need no help in villainy, of passing dress-code legislation that required religious minorities to wear color-coded clothes.  That created a firestorm until reporters reviewed the legislation and found no reference to any kind of requirement for dress identification for Jews, Christians, or Zoroastrians.  Taheri offered a weak defense of his story, which was not sourced on the record, and it passed into urban-legend status.

This looks different, if for no other reason than Taheri’s main source goes on the record.  Hoshyar Zebari didn’t hide behind a “high-level source in Baghdad” tag for this story.  Zebari’s testimony puts the onus on Obama to explain why he attempted to interfere with the Bush administration’s negotiations despite his having absolutely no authority to do so.  If Obama wants to negotiate a defeat for America, he needs to wait until Americans elect him to the White House before betraying our allies and our troops in the field.


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IF this is true, it will be a mcgovern-like defeat for the ‘o’…..

battleoflepanto1571 on September 15, 2008 at 8:04 AM

Is this what he meant by making government “cool” again? I can’t wait!

bloggless on September 15, 2008 at 8:05 AM

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.

Get this idiot on trial… NOW.

I am so disgusted with this fool. Get him in prison before he can do more harm.

Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 8:05 AM

…and in other traitorous news, THIS ad has been playing in Pennsylvania CONSTANTLY the last 12 hours on NBC no less!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKAuJYkYQLw

DEFEAT JACK MURTHA!

http://russellbrigade.com/

battleoflepanto1571 on September 15, 2008 at 8:06 AM

Sedition?

lionheart on September 15, 2008 at 8:06 AM

Has anybody else been able to confirm Zebari’s reported statements? If so, this is very troubling.

AZCoyote on September 15, 2008 at 8:07 AM

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Ms. Pelosi, does this constitute breaking the Logan Act?

LastRick on September 15, 2008 at 8:07 AM

ouch, that will leave a mark if true..

stlpatriot on September 15, 2008 at 8:07 AM

What a snake. This is typical of Obama…he does anything to propel himself, damn the little people.

Not to mention, tacky. Obama seems to have a very hard time being diplomatic. Be it with those on the other side of the aisle, those on the same side of the aisle, or with foreign dignitaries.

bloghooligan on September 15, 2008 at 8:08 AM

Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 8:05 AM

If true, I don’t think it should be called negotiating, I think it it should be called, sabotaging.

bloggless on September 15, 2008 at 8:09 AM

“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview.”

I guess no one can withdraw troops from Iraq besides Obama. Is that it?

Troika37 on September 15, 2008 at 8:09 AM

Troika, only He Who Is Him can part the waters, so that the troops may return home.

bloggless on September 15, 2008 at 8:12 AM

Let’s see if this gets to the MSM.

PaKeystoner on September 15, 2008 at 8:13 AM

The Audacity of Hopeless and Changeless!!

Oh boy,Obama has nerve,stupity,and already
thinks he’s the Free Leader of the World!!

And,whats new,same operation that Obama knows,
Chicago politics thuggery!!!

Visiting the troops my #ss,he was in Iraq
doing his “community organizing”,and probably
to register Iraq’s as Democrats!

canopfor on September 15, 2008 at 8:14 AM

Wow!!! Just when I thought Obama couldn’t possibly get any scarier….

4shoes on September 15, 2008 at 8:16 AM

Let’s see if this gets to the MSM.

PaKeystoner on September 15, 2008 at 8:13 AM

I’m optimistic for once. It’s a Post article on Drude and RCP already.

This will be hard for the MSM to ignore… but it is the MSM we’re talking about. They have ignored his relationship with felons and terrorists for 19 months, why start paying attention now?

Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 8:16 AM

My son is a Captain in the regular Army. He is presently stationed in Iraq.

Obama is simply playing games with my son’s life.

My son’s life is nothing more to Obama than a miniscule part of the backdrop of The Destiny of The Anointed One.

How furious do you suppose I am right now?
______

RJGatorEsq. on September 15, 2008 at 8:18 AM

The first and most important aspect of this story is what laws were or were not broken. The shocking cynicism of such a move is of secondary importance.

Immolate on September 15, 2008 at 8:18 AM

Obama wouldn’t dare show up in TX, or I would try to organize something… anyone living in a state where he shows his traitorous face needs to show up at the rally with HUGE- “Traitor- Enforce the Logan Act” signs.

For my part, I am going to start e-badgering the MSM about this.

Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 8:19 AM

…interfering with the United States in its diplomatic efforts is a Logan Act violation.

If the Logan Act hasn’t been invoked by all the other Dems who’ve tried to conduct foreign policy behind the president’s back, it won’t be invoked on Obama.

flipflop on September 15, 2008 at 8:20 AM

didn’t kerry do a similar thing?

Kerry met with representatives from “both delegations” of the Vietnamese in Paris in 1970, according to Kerry’s own testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971. But Kerry’s meetings with the Vietnamese delegations were in direct violation of laws forbidding private citizens from negotiating with foreign powers,

kerry negotiates

icemaniceman1111 on September 15, 2008 at 8:20 AM

Um ah,how should I um ah say this,ah um
there is ah no um legal ah um controlling ah
legal ah um authority!!(Snark!) haha.

canopfor on September 15, 2008 at 8:21 AM

I’d love to jump up and embrace this story , but I’m gonna sit on my hands for the moment. More corroboration would be nice, and if such exists, a media willing to pursue.

We’re already convinced of Obama’s toolishness, would this resonate with voters who aren’t as, well, wonky as we are?

pugwriter on September 15, 2008 at 8:21 AM

First of all, don’t flame me for this: I love Reagan, and I’m not trying, in any way, to defend Obama. But… didn’t Reagan do something similar with the hostages in Iran? Weren’t there some backroom negotiations to prevent the hostage release until after he was sworn in in 1981?

lionheart on September 15, 2008 at 8:22 AM

To play Devil’s Advocate, how egregious was this overstep from Obama? The way it reads from the Iraqi official, BO wasn’t necessarily trying to delay or speed up the actual troop withdrawal, just the announcement thereof.

LastRick on September 15, 2008 at 8:22 AM

Am I the only one or are others also getting fatigued by all his political rhetoric. BO is grabbing at straws to save what he has left. For the libs its all about power. If this news article can actually be verified, then BO needs to fess up and extracate himself from the race….

jbh45 on September 15, 2008 at 8:22 AM

Am I wrong or does it seem that public figures regularly get a pass on this? Any record of Logan Act convictions out there?

pugwriter on September 15, 2008 at 8:23 AM

Time for hardball tactics. Indict Palin and we go after Barry on this one.

diogenes on September 15, 2008 at 8:25 AM

Did Obama try to scotch an Iraqi-US agreement on military forces?

I’m 1/4 of Scottish descent, I am offended and appalled by this slur on those of us from the north side of Hadrian’s wall! It’s outrageous!

Well, no, not really. But I just wanted to try out the victim card. And really, there is no there there.

rbj on September 15, 2008 at 8:26 AM

If this is true then Obama is pure scum.

rplat on September 15, 2008 at 8:26 AM

<blockquoteAny record of Logan Act convictions out there?

pugwriter on September 15, 2008 at 8:23 AM

US v. Munoz, is that the only one?

LastRick on September 15, 2008 at 8:27 AM

First of all, don’t flame me for this: I love Reagan, and I’m not trying, in any way, to defend Obama. But… didn’t Reagan do something similar with the hostages in Iran? Weren’t there some backroom negotiations to prevent the hostage release until after he was sworn in in 1981?

lionheart on September 15, 2008 at 8:22 AM

I won’t flame you for it, though you deserve it. Here is a writeup on this I’m working on:

The term, “Octoboer surprise” stems from a warning made by the Reagan-Bush campaign in 1980 about the Carter administration managing a last-minute release of the American hostages held in Iran (you know, Iran, that country most on the Left and a few on the Right believe is not hostile to the U.S.). Eventually, conspiracy theorists took to the idea that the Reagan-Bush campaign actually negotiated with Iran to hold on to the hostages until after the election. Today, “October surprise” simply refers to any last-minute action by a campaign (usually one involving smearing the opposition) which is done without sufficient time for the opposition to adequately respond or the public to put it into context. (As an aside, the Dems are planning one this year involving the “Troopergate/Tasergate” investigation the Cuda in Alaska.)

But here, we see a possible throwback to that original conspiracy theory associated with the term. But unlike that charge, for which there was no credible evidence, this one offers evidence.

Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 8:28 AM

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops

Obama just disqualified himself as commander-in-chief as well.

I know it’s a broad statement, but good grief! Any other present or former active duty guys like the idea of 535 blowhards involved in the negotiations of your status?

::shudder::

reaganaut on September 15, 2008 at 8:28 AM

If the Logan Act hasn’t been invoked by all the other Dems who’ve tried to conduct foreign policy behind the president’s back, it won’t be invoked on Obama.

flipflop on September 15, 2008 at 8:20 AM

While you are probably right, it’s still inexcusable.

Who’s up for writing their congress people? If anyone is interested, I will post a template letter later so you can copy, paste and email to your reps and senators.

Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 8:28 AM

I know somebody who’d rather see his country lose a war than himself lose an election.

Tzetzes on September 15, 2008 at 8:29 AM

I just heard Brian K on Fox and Friends ask their guest (a foreign relations expert) about this. It was only discussed briefly (time constraints) but he ended up saying that he knows Tehari personally and trusts the report and that it was “inappropriate” of Obama to have that discussion.

That was it…time for Fox to hammer on this throughout the day…and use Ed’s points about Obama’s desire to manipulate the situation prior to the election.

ConMom on September 15, 2008 at 8:31 AM

Fox & Friends just talked about this…

JustTruth101 on September 15, 2008 at 8:31 AM

He dragged Chicago politics of the disgusting kind to Iraq. What a jerk. Isn’t this against some law? He should be tried.

jencab on September 15, 2008 at 8:31 AM

…apparently the reporter on this is a straight shooter.

JustTruth101 on September 15, 2008 at 8:32 AM

While you are probably right, it’s still inexcusable.

Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 8:28 AM

Oh, believe me…I agree! The problem is that the Republicans won’t play the Logan card out of fear that it be used against them when the roles are reversed.

flipflop on September 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM

He couldn’t possibly be this dumb, could he? Then you look at what he told Canada about trade, and I guess the answer is he and his hitler looking friend, are really that devious and as mentioned above care nothing about our military. G-d help us!

Bambi on September 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM

I have already been seeing this story mentioned on other sites, so it might have some legs. I have always thought that most media, despite their bias, hate the thought of someone getting a story before they do. If there is some evidence to this, it could blow Obmama out of the water.

coyoterex on September 15, 2008 at 8:36 AM

BO isn’t dumb, he’s a narcissist. For one thing, he thinks he’s above the rules. He also thinks he can do no wrong.

labwriter on September 15, 2008 at 8:37 AM

BO isn’t dumb, he’s a narcissist. For one thing, he thinks he’s above the rules. He also thinks he can do no wrong.

labwriter on September 15, 2008 at 8:37 AM

These games go back to not holding the hippies and Alinsky’s to count for their treasons in the Vietnam war…

sven10077 on September 15, 2008 at 8:41 AM

Who’s up for writing their congress people? If anyone is interested, I will post a template letter later so you can copy, paste and email to your reps and senators.

Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 8:28 AM

I just emailed one off. Just sent them the link, told them I thought it was important, and urged an investigation.

Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 8:42 AM

These games go back to not holding the hippies and Alinsky’s to count for their treasons in the Vietnam war…

sven10077 on September 15, 2008 at 8:41 AM

Yep.

Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Oh, believe me…I agree! The problem is that the Republicans won’t play the Logan card out of fear that it be used against them when the roles are reversed.

flipflop on September 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM

All my state’s Republicans are getting a letter today that states that their choice is push this and face potential retribution from Dems or don’t push it and face getting voted out of office.

I’m telling them point blank- I will vote independent or write in Mickey Mouse if they do not prosecute this idiot.

Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 8:43 AM

put this one on ice until October 31st when the Democratic BUTTHEAD in Alaska releases his report on Troopergate….let Sarah get “spanked” by a partison report and then let’s arrest the traitor on national TV….lol

SDarchitect on September 15, 2008 at 8:45 AM

he told Canada about trade….

Bambi on Sept 15,2008 at 8:34AM.

Bambi:Your right Bambi,Obama seems to have a pattern,
in my country Canada,and now in Iraq,sumpin ain’t
right!:)

canopfor on September 15, 2008 at 8:50 AM

We don’t want to jump too hard on this one. It does sound too good to be true. It should be pursued, but let’s not overextend and then lose our credibility. The writer obviously is not a Hussein fan and is gunning for him to lose (look at the last couple of paragraphs).

Let’s be careful here. Let people know about the “allegation.” Contact Congress. Do all that. But don’t go overboard. If it’s legit, or at least has some credibility, it’ll work. If it’s Bravo Sierra, we don’t want that Brave Sierra on us. Or on the ticket.

Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 8:50 AM

Meanwhile, the only dirt Team Obama can get on McCain is that they have uncovered the awful truth that he has difficulty using a computer. Oh yeah, and he’s old.

Disturb the Universe on September 15, 2008 at 8:51 AM

He’s just carrying on a dem tradition. Does anyone remember Jimmy Carter going to the Russians and promising them concessions if they would help him get re-elected? Maybe not a violation of the Logan act but in the same spirit.
Also in the same tradition, he then went and blamed his opponent for the same thing, saying that Reagan made a deal with the Iranians to get the hostages back.

sleepyhead on September 15, 2008 at 8:53 AM

Yeah but Sarah Palin DIDN”T have an abortion!!

Bicyea on September 15, 2008 at 8:53 AM

This will be hard for the MSM to ignore… but it is the MSM we’re talking about. They have ignored his relationship with felons and terrorists for 19 months, why start paying attention now? – Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 8:16 AM

Yup. They’ll go into full cover mode: nothing to see here, folks…move along. Move along.

ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 8:58 AM

Well Senator Clinton had her “under fire” moment but so far the Big O has managed to keep anything from sticking. Could this be the end of Mr. Teflon?

Browncoatone on September 15, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Ed,

What do you have against the Scots?

Be careful laddie: You don’t want me pulling a sgain dubh from under me kilt.

Right_of_Attila on September 15, 2008 at 9:09 AM

If this is true, how can Obama ever justify his actions?

Terrye on September 15, 2008 at 9:09 AM

” Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

There has never been a conviction under the Logan Act, nor are there any known prosecutions.

GulfCoastBamaFan on September 15, 2008 at 9:10 AM

You know that the real tools behind this garbage were Pelosi and Reid; I’m beyond disgusted, and if I don’t see info on the MSM about this, I’m going to hound their CEO’s and advertisers.

anniekc on September 15, 2008 at 9:11 AM

Obama’s statement about Congress being involved in such decisions indicates to me that this is one of his planned chenges. Such a move would destroy the office of the Commander in Chief. Is this credible?

OldEnglish on September 15, 2008 at 9:13 AM

Burr and Dole just got emails with the link to the story. This story may not be true, but it does need some ‘splaining! I suggest that we let our friends and family know about this, so that they may, if they wish, contact their reps, too.

bloggless on September 15, 2008 at 9:15 AM

IF this is true, it will be a mcgovern-like defeat for the ‘o’…..

battleoflepanto1571 on September 15, 2008 at 8:04 AM

One would hope, but todays voters and the media will ignor things like this. It is all about hope and change.

But this smacks of sedition for personal promotion.

TheSitRep on September 15, 2008 at 9:17 AM

Remember a few days ago when Charlie asked the Cuda about whether she’d ever met any foreign leaders? Her “no” answer sounds better all the time.

The Monster on September 15, 2008 at 9:19 AM

Well the SOB has been acting like he is already President for months, so why should we be surprised that he tried to act like it when he visited Iraq.

McCain should keep quiet about this and nail Obama’s ass on it in the first debate when he can’t weasel his way out of it.

rockmom on September 15, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Did Obama try to scotch an Iraqi-US agreement on military forces?

I wouldn’t doubt it for a second. Heck, Pelosi tried it, why not the One? In either case, the AG should investigate possible Logan Act violations.

Zorro on September 15, 2008 at 9:24 AM

There has never been a conviction under the Logan Act, nor are there any known prosecutions.

GulfCoastBamaFan on September 15, 2008 at 9:10 AM

I repeat myself, but here it is. This article pops up on a search of Logan Act convictions. FTA:

There has been an indictment, prosecution, and (apparently) a conviction. There is a case, United States v. Silverman, 745 F.2d 1386 (11th Cir. 1984), which references a companion case, United States v. Munoz. The opinion in Silverman clearly lays out the Munoz facts: Carlos Angel Munoz was charged, inter alia, under 18 U.S.C. § 953 — that’s right, the Logan Act — the maximum penalty for which was three years in prison, a $5,000 fine, or both. The charge was that Munoz had engaged in “private correspondence with [the Cuban] government with intent to influence that government’s dispute with the United States.”

Munoz contested the charges, was convicted, and sentenced to 30 months in prison.

I leave it to you to continue the search further, but there does appear to be one conviction.

LastRick on September 15, 2008 at 9:24 AM

These games go back to not holding the hippies and Alinsky’s to count for their treasons in the Vietnam war…

sven10077 on September 15, 2008 at 8:41 AM

I’ve seen references to “hippies” on this site before and wanted to comment, so might as well do it now.

I find it amusing when this construct is used, as if we (yes, I was one–or “Freaks” as I think my group referred to ourselves) were all some sort of monolithic mind-melded group. There was a radical fringe, as with all groups, but if you think “hippies” all thought alike–it’s just amusing. This sort of comment reminds me of my father’s generation–”Damned Hippies! Get a job! Cut your hair.” Heh.

labwriter on September 15, 2008 at 9:26 AM

This is an example of the type of story that should be taken with a grain of salt. That is, one which will be thoroughly ignored by the MSM since it involves their Messiah, and one which would be on the front page of every newspaper tomorrow
if it were John McCain accused of pushing later withdrawal.

zmrzlina on September 15, 2008 at 9:27 AM

This too will go in the trash bin, along with traitorous headlines from the NY Times.

Why even bother having acts or laws that administrations won’t enforce?

moonsbreath on September 15, 2008 at 9:30 AM

OldEnglish on September 15, 2008 at 9:13 AM

changes .. Good grief, where the heck did that “e” come from?

OldEnglish on September 15, 2008 at 9:34 AM

Remember a few days ago when Charlie asked the Cuda about whether she’d ever met any foreign leaders? Her “no” answer sounds better all the time.

The Monster on September 15, 2008 at 9:19 AM

She did? I missed that part. It’s funny she would say that because I’ve seen pictures of her with representatives from China, Japan, and Thailand as part of trade events. Maybe she didn’t think that was what Gibson meant?

Deanna on September 15, 2008 at 9:36 AM

And we thought Osamabama’a faux prez seal was just a campaign stunt.

lionheart on September 15, 2008 at 8:22 AM

I won’t flame you for it, though you deserve it.
Tommygun on September 15, 2008 at 8:28 AM

Anyone asking an honest question does not deserve flaming.

I am dumb as a rock in a lot of this stuff. Not all off us were born conservative.

I’ve seen references to “hippies” on this site before and wanted to comment, so might as well do it now.

I find it amusing when this construct is used, as if we (yes, I was one–or “Freaks” as I think my group referred to ourselves) were all some sort of monolithic mind-melded group. There was a radical fringe, as with all groups, but if you think “hippies” all thought alike–it’s just amusing. This sort of comment reminds me of my father’s generation–”Damned Hippies! Get a job! Cut your hair.” Heh.

labwriter on September 15, 2008 at 9:26 AM

Yep.

davidk on September 15, 2008 at 9:38 AM

The only way this can be proven untrue is if Zebari denies it.

I’d have to assume he won’t, or how could Taheri have used his name and quoted him directly?

Assuming Zebari confirms it, then either Barry has to call him and out-and-out liar, or he has to try and explain it away.

But either way, the MSM has no choice but to play it. it’s just too damning a charge.

“Sarah Palin, have you ever met with any foreign heads of state?”

“No, Charlie, and I haven’t held any illegal negotiations with any either.”

There’s no way after Gibson put Palin through the wringer that the MSM can’t even ask Barry about the charge.

And I think it’ll stick like glue. Because knowing Barry as we’ve come to know him now, it sounds just exactly like the kind of thing he’d do.

Typhoon on September 15, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Pelosi played around in Syria so Obama thinks he is open to free wheel wherever he wants.

Pelosi stuck her big nose in when she was in Tibet and India and got beyond her pay grade but Obama thinks that he can deal with the world since he stayed a few nights at the Kirachi Holiday Inn while in college.

Kindergarten or grade school in Jakarta means Putin better run…

What a joke without a punch line.

CommentGuy on September 15, 2008 at 9:39 AM

She did? I missed that part. It’s funny she would say that because I’ve seen pictures of her with representatives from China, Japan, and Thailand as part of trade events. Maybe she didn’t think that was what Gibson meant?

Deanna on September 15, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Gibson’s question was “heads of state.”

Her first answer was that she’d met with many trade delegations. Then Charlie looked down his glasses at her and snotily repeated the question, pointing out that all mere governors met with trade delegations.

Typhoon on September 15, 2008 at 9:41 AM

CommentGuy on September 15, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Pelosi was just living a fantasy – Obama is serious.

OldEnglish on September 15, 2008 at 9:44 AM

Oh, believe me…I agree! The problem is that the Republicans won’t play the Logan card out of fear that it be used against them when the roles are reversed.

flipflop on September 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM

But if the shoe fits.

I don’t care who’s President or how poorly he/she is doing internationally, or who goes behind the President’s back. We are governed by the Rule of Law and it must be enforced or we cease to be a just nation.

davidk on September 15, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Does anyone besides me think, just like all of the other negative things about the messiah, this will never see the light of day in the press? Does anyone besides me think that this administration doesn’t have the cajones to prosecute?

Just another thing to keep in our memory book, another thing that will never touch The One.

johnsteele on September 15, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Richard Nixon did the same thing during the election of 1968, when his operatives torpedoed Johnson’s attempt at “peace talks” with the North Vietnamese.

It’s a long-standing tradition in politics, simply because no sitting government — especially if of the other party — dares to use the Logan Act. In this case, many people would see it as a partisan slam at Osama Obama.

So Obama, like Pelosi and a long line of perps extending back at least to ’68, gets a free pass. Hell, his people (the MSM) will probably hail him as a great patriot for standing up to the corrupt Iraqis.

MrScribbler on September 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Every day Obama seems to hand us a gift. Every day it seems I dare myself to get my hopes up about a McCain-Palin victory. Before Palin showed up, I was pretty much preparing myself for a Obama-Biden White House. With the arrival of Palin, it at least wasn’t a gimme for Obama anymore, it was pretty much a toss-up. Now, it almost seems like McCain-Palin might have the edge. I don’t like to get my hopes up like this because if it goes south then the disappointment will be that much worse. Ah well, time will tell. I’m reasonably sure Obama will keep on handing us these gifts.

Yakko77 on September 15, 2008 at 9:56 AM

IF this is true, it will be a mcgovern-like defeat for the ‘o’…..

battleoflepanto1571 on September 15, 2008 at 8:04 AM

I would like to think so, but I haven’t seen where any activity like this seems to hurt Liberals.

Noelie on September 15, 2008 at 9:59 AM

“He’s just a good American who has a different philosophy about what’s right for America”

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 10:04 AM

If true, then final nail meet coffin.

PackerBronco on September 15, 2008 at 10:11 AM

He’s just a good American who has a different philosophy about what’s right for America /s

Fixed it…you forgot to add the /sarc tag

ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 10:13 AM

Whoa…can’t wait to hear the explanation for this.

eaglesdontflock on September 15, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Fixed it…you forgot to add the /sarc tag

That’s what the quote marks were for.

peacenprosperity on September 15, 2008 at 10:20 AM

Obama knowingly attempted to interfere with the lawful authority of the United States in a foreign negotiation. That is resistance to lawful authority. THAT is sedition.

For a member of the legislative branch to meet with a foreign power, and urge rejection of a negotiation with the lawful government is a violation of the separation of powers.

Where’s the McCain ad showing how horribly bad this judgment is? Where are the immediate attacks against Obama by Republican talking heads? Will this seditionist, this traitor, get away with an act against the nation? Will Obama slide past yet another attempt to undermind this nation?

Where’s the outrage? Or are we so used to the way the left hurts this nation that we will allow this socialist to attempt to undermine its national interests?

http://www.countryaboveself.com and I’m getting really damn tired of waiting.

ilitigant on September 15, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Sorry if someone above has posited this…but I couldn’t wait after reading Ed’s writeup:

This is, Ed, indeed about “hypocrisy.” In fact, I see it as the Titanic of Obama’s modus operandi:

Here’s Mister “Out Of Iraq Immediately” plotting behind the scenes to have our troops remain in harm’s way for a year longer than necessary…?!

…and the Dems accused Reagan of delaying the hostage release in 1980. Chutzpah. Yet in this context, Zerobama (if proven true) acted as the “hostage taker” this time.

Lockstein13 on September 15, 2008 at 10:31 AM

Worse than John Kerry talking to enemy in France?

Sheesh.. Why do Liberals always go against America?

Then they complain, “Don’t question our patriotism” well… WTF.. should we do then? I question your sanity!

Chakra Hammer on September 15, 2008 at 10:31 AM

Dhimmicrats working against the elected government for political gain. Sounds familiar.

Grunt on September 15, 2008 at 10:33 AM

I was thinking of not voting for President, but if this is true, McCain will get my vote.

My new standard for when I will consider voting for a Democrat for President: the Democratic candidate must not have committed treason against the United States.

thuja on September 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM

I was thinking of not voting for President, but if this is true, McCain will get my vote. – thuja on September 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM

It is true. See you at the polls on Nov 4.

ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 10:36 AM

Chakra Hammer on September 15, 2008 at 10:31 AM

They are correct – you shouldn’t question their patriotism. They don’t have any to question!

OldEnglish on September 15, 2008 at 10:45 AM

I would bet this is true despite the questions on reliability of the main source. It is probably true based on THE ONE MANCHILD COMMUNITY ORGANIZER’S arrogance. He and his zombies have often referred to himself as “the President” or “President”, then there was that phony Presidential seal, the thing with his chair on his airplane, where he sat was as if he was a head of State when he was with some of the foreign leaders in his “ALL ABOUT ME TOUR”, Barakopolis, and his past ways when in Chicago (campaign against Alice Palmer, etc.), and so forth and so on. He would not be able to stop himself from interfering or trying to act with some authority or as if he was already the POTUS. They have thought from the beginning this was going to be a cakewalk and if anyone has the attitude of entitlement it is THE MESSIAH and his zombies. Yes, I believe this to be true, but it will be a case just like all the others where the RNC will not pursue prosecution. I give you the example of the New York Times.

freeus on September 15, 2008 at 10:46 AM

But…But…But…O! insists that we not question his patriotism !

HE’S A TRAITOR !

He’s no patriot and McMav’s not off the maek when he says that O! would rather lose a war than the election…He doesn’t give a damn how this country is viewed abroad as long as it plays into his electoral aspirations!

RocketmanBob on September 15, 2008 at 10:51 AM

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