Everything new is “old” again
posted at 4:30 pm on September 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Earlier this week, Barack Obama promised that he would sharpen his attacks on John McCain in response to panicking Democrats watching their gimme election vanishing before their eyes. Instead of coming up with something new, Team Obama has decided to go with an old attack — by calling McCain old. Two days ago, they tried it with the blindingly stupid e-mail ad, and today they’ve apparently farmed the theme out to their surrogates:
On This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., a surrogate for the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., raised the age and health of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., when discussing the qualifications, or lack thereof, of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
McCaskill said she stood by her remarks that she’s “uncomfortable with anyone, regardless of gender, that is going to be vice president to one of the oldest presidents we’ve ever had that has never met a world leader.”
When Stephanopoulos asked her it was fair to raise McCain’s age, McCaskill doubled-down and mentioned his past skin cancer, saying, “I think what we’re talking about is a reality. Other people talk about his melanoma. We’re talking about a reality here that we have to face. This is someone who’s going to be one heartbeat away from the presidency. All of us know it. I just think that it’s the facts, George, and that’s something that we need to start focusing on, are the facts, instead of distortions and lies.”
Is age an issue in a presidential candidate? It could be, but McCain is hardly decrepit. His physical disabilities have nothing to do with his age, and his mind is as sharp as ever. In looking at both men, McCain seems to be thriving, while Obama seems to have aged years in the past few months. McCain’s 72 is a lot different than 72 would have been even 24 years ago, when the nation re-elected a 73-year-old Ronald Reagan to a second term.
While it’s not an illegitimate question, it’s not new, either. Voters have known about McCain’s age all through the electoral cycle, and he answered the medical questions in May when he released his medical records — something Obama has yet to do. His prognosis is excellent, and doctors pronounced him in fine shape, which certainly didn’t appear to shock his 96-year-old mother.
This smacks of desperation by Team Obama. They should have learned their lesson when they botched the e-mail ad. It makes them look like they’ve run out of arguments and have to go back to the ones that flopped on their first attempt.









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Nothing on that. I think the viewing window is now closed and the press were too busy looking through Palin’s underwear drawer to see if she had a vibrator.
Ace posted this, however. Nice find. http://ace.mu.nu/
If it weren’t for the canned horror movie music, it’d make a great ad.
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 11:43 PM
It looks more like Michael in Michigan to me FiveWays. Wait, they’re the same person of course. Now I remember.
I’m out of here. Have fun in this loony bin folks.
Tav on September 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Tav on September 14, 2008 at 11:41 PM
So, your position is that he just showed judgement?
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM
.
Perhaps more experience but you cannot deny The Govenor has much better results. 5 kids to 2 :-)
News2Use on September 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Ta ta
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Tav on September 14, 2008 at 11:41 PM
So, your position is that he just showed poor judgement?
(Final draft)
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Salty, I could not have explained it better myself.
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Let’s see….
DID I CALL THAT OR WHAT?
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:46 PM
OH! You are wrong. Those who vote for McCain based on Palin being on the ticket expect her to have a role in the administration. If she doesn’t, charges will fly that her only purpose was to throw a bone to us social conservatives/evangelicals and McCain will quickly lose any support he has in the base who, frankly, hates him for his eight year temper tantrum.
highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Please excuse me for interrupting at this late time. I have been attempting to read through this thread, then decided to jump to the end.
It is YOU who first used demeaning language for another member in this thread.
Loxodonta on September 14, 2008 at 11:47 PM
HalJordan on September 14, 2008 at 11:34 PM
I am sure almost everyone in some way or the other. What is your point? I think you will find that MOST people try to live good lives and practice what they “preach”. And most would probably readily admit they fall short. It’s called Human, and I like them.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Oh look at that. Three trolls in one!
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:48 PM
If we dismantle Al Qaeda, get a couple of Middle East countries aligned with us (what’s up with Libya, btw?), and Iraq remains stable, then I think his job would be done so he wouldn’t be quitting.
Y-not on September 14, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Oh, well, gosh, seeing as I am the only one at fault, I must bow obsequiously to your highness.
(it keeps coming and gets better, or worse, depending on whether you want to stop and talk or just pronounce judgement.)
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Y-not on September 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM
I think it will be determined by how much he gets accomplished.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:50 PM
As a former NYC resident, I ADORE Rudy… but he’d never win the White House. That man’s got more dirty laundry than every dry cleaning place in NYC could handle. He’d get eaten alive by the left and choked to death by the pro-life hard liners on the right. Ultimately, it’s America’s loss. His only ticket into the White House would be in a cabinet role (Homeland Security?) or on the coattails of an enormously popular Presidential candidate at VP (Palin/ Rudy 2012?).
As far as McCain in 2012… if he wins this time, I think he’ll hang in there for the double. He doesn’t know how to retire. That man will be serving the US until he dies. I just hope we get our full 8 out of him before it happens.
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 11:50 PM
I suspect that you’re very young and/or inexperienced. Have you actually faced any real adversity in your life?
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Golly Hal- that reminds me of MB4′s brilliant defense of Joe Hair-plugs draft deferments…….chickenhawk indeed…..
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:51 PM
If you stand by that remark, then you have no judgment at all. If you want to understand, rather than pronounce, I’d be more than pleased to stop this stupid spitting at each other.
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Tav on September 14, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Anything is possible but your not going to win the debate when you attribute words to me that were exactly opposite of what I said. Possibly you misunderstood. It can happen.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:54 PM
come now
MB4tell us all about your military experience….Vietnam wasn’t it?FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Troll, troll, troll. There’s the epic George Patton talking troll buster again who was never even in the military for a day I believe he said. Those who have done the very least always seem to talk the loudest. Some kind of compensation thing I guess. Most people adults anyway in real life just laugh at them. A troll yelling loony bin place with it’s own John Kerry wannabe except he has done even less than him but talks even bigger. Maybe he has a magic hat too only even bigger. Out of here now I promise or my IQ will go down so much I won’t be able to get to any other blogs.
Tav on September 14, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Pure passive/aggressive. Excellent, TB. Keep talking.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Much like Alec Baldwin, you keep threatening to leave but never actually do so.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:57 PM
no, completely aggressive, with smidgen of judgment as to when a stupid argument has run its course.
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:57 PM
I’ve got no worries on that front. McCain’s already pegged her to head up the energy reform and government house cleaning (and not the domestic/ maid type). I expect that once they get the rounds of her intro out to all the battlegrounds, we’ll start seeing the Energy Czar role emerge.
They may also be waiting to have her do the drive-bys as the Congress get’s debating on oil votes. THAT will be worth the price of admission!
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 11:58 PM
I am not a object. I am a human being. When you started dehumanizing people as if they were things, human beings fought back. By the way you are treating others here, you are dehumanizing yourself.
Loxodonta on September 14, 2008 at 11:58 PM
highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Sorry, wasn’t clear, my post was a worse case, obviously I hope she goes in there and kicks butt and takes names.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:58 PM
The troll is all yours, Lox. Good luck.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 12:00 AM
The first part was a clearly stated suspicion, not a judgement.
The second part was a question.
I do seek to understand, but that requires you to answer questions and engage in sincere conversation.
Do you seek to understand me?
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Well, you did insist on intruding on someone else’s quarrel, did you expect me to welcome you with open arms?
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Still up? Why hasn’t mommy tucked you in yet?
an_abstraction on September 15, 2008 at 12:01 AM
WELL….WHAT DO YOU KNOW!
LET’S COMPARE:
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:01 AM
*cracks knuckles*
Okay… my turn…
Ummm…TB (pun intended, as you are clearly more disease than troll), do you realize the completely hypocritical nature of that statement? Seriously… pot.kettle.black
Tell, you what. When you have a point and wish to pretend that you have the intelligence for a debate, go back about 6 pages or so the the half dozen responses I’ve made to your senselessness. Then, come back here and refute me or concede your already apparent ignorance.
Thank you for playing. Have a nice night.
Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Perhaps I shouldn’t have posted, but this person made me mad with the name calling toward you. Normally, I just avoid people who post like this.
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Salty, forgive my auspiciousness. It seems everytime I make a post, MR. Manly insists on labeling me and driving me off, and many have taken his side.
I’d like to engage, but after the last 8 pages I’m tired of the insults. My apologies.
Your question, please, rephrased.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Protein Wisdom has been posting on this recently.
Y-not on September 15, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Here ya go folks.
See if that thread trolling resembles this one…..
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Looks like our dear Hal has pulled a “Biden.”
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Thanks.
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Can’t get to all my enemies here tonight, either stand in line or quit spitting.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:05 AM
oh no no no! It’s purely coincidental I’m sure.
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:06 AM
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Props FiveWays… well done.
Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 12:06 AM
9 pages of comments…and that is why they don’t ban trolls.
Asher on September 15, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Spitting. Hmmmm. Interesting, Five. Very interesting.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Thanks for posting that. It’s very enlightening.
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Yeah, I guess you’re right about the laundry. I still like him. Great speech in St. Paul.
The thing that surprised me was how poorly he ran his campaign. Fred too.
Y-not on September 15, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Not only a troll…but a multiple-identity troll…the worst kind.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 12:09 AM
What did I miss here? I can’t read all these past 200 comments to get the drift. Now trailboss is MB4? What is this MB4 guy/gal some kind of multidemensional creature that is around every corner. I don’t think that I can even come up with a Murphy’s law to cover this.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 12:09 AM
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:01 AM
I feel unworthy of being in your presence. That was great.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Well, at least you have finally come to terms with your actual intent here. You see, everyone else who is posting tonight has regularly engaged in reasoned debate. You, on the other hand, have failed to respond to anyone’s refutations of your positions without hurling childish insults.
I regret to inform you, however, that even your quest to make enemies has failed, since there is not a person here who gives a darn about you. So, again, you have failed.
Congratulations, at least, for being consistent in your failure.
Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Why thank you for the complement, but you’d make a terrible detective. I exist on HA, or any other site for that matter under only one name and one identity. But keep playin’!
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Agreed, Miss Cindy.
Well done, Five. I first sensed him, but you ultimately outed him. Very well done.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Take a hike, douchebag.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 12:12 AM
I’ve been following MB4 for awhile-
I’m keeping my powder dry for more…..
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Hmmmm. That looks a bit suspicious, doesn’t it? Is he doing double duty, so to speak?
a capella on September 15, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Thanks.
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Good job FiveWays. That’s amazing that both those two trolls know how to google. I guess they are not as dumb as we thought.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Inner Patton says:
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 12:15 AM
More than double……trust me…..
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:15 AM
I am neither very young (well that’s relative, of course) nor inexperienced (again, relative.) And yes I have experienced real live adversity, and will likely continue to experience adversity till death. No, I was not in Vietnam, having been about 10 yrs old when it ended.
My adversities have been more personal and less historic.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:15 AM
They are auditioning for Obama’s campaign staff. He’s clearly in need of trolls with googling skills.
Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 12:15 AM
keep talking……
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Hoof it on out, douchebag.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 12:16 AM
This has sure been entertaining reading tonight, folks, and I’d love to chuckle some more, but I do have to go to work in the morning. Y’all have fun and carry on.
/some strange ones in the room tonight, no lie
Bob's Kid on September 15, 2008 at 12:17 AM
railboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:12 AM
I think the only person who says nothing better than you is Sen. Obama. No one is your enemy and no one can engage you, that is your purpose. How that equates as entertainment only you can know.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Still ignoring your authoritah. Oh, wait, you have none to ignore.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Would these include mom not letting you on the internetz for a week after finding your p0rn collection?
Why are you still here?
Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Be careful FiveWays. John Hinckley did that with Jodie Foster and you know how that ended.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 12:19 AM
It started on page 2, I believe.
Good night folks!
Y-not on September 15, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Happy trails to you, until we meet again.
Happy trails to you, keep smilin’ until then.
Who cares about the clouds when we’re together?
Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather.
Happy trails to you, ’till we meet again.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 12:20 AM
9 pages on a thread discussing “old”… incredible.
Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Well then, since you know what true victimization is, and all things being relative, you should be okay here as an anonymous poster on a blog.
No more victim, okay?
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 12:22 AM
He can have them. He needs all the “help” he can get.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Why are you seeking more adversity? And why are you provoking it here?
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 12:22 AM
I almost got the chance to have a discussion with you, way back, but it’s hard on a thread this big and with so many accusations flying back and forth. We started talking about experience and age in the presidencey, then kept getting sidetracked by M. Rash. (I accept my own responsibilities, but will not answer those who cannot accept their own.)
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Rattled ya- didn’t it…..keep talking pal……
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:23 AM
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Are you on the hunt again?
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 12:24 AM
If that doesn’t scare him off ManlyRash run him over with your tank. Slap him first though.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 12:24 AM
never stopped…..
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Your doing just fine. You dont need my help.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Damned tanks are in the shop.
ManlyRash on September 15, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Notice how rattled Murphy9 is?
Why Murphy? Why did my outing of MB4 as HalJordan bother you so much?
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:27 AM
That’s a good question. I suspect that his wife must have a very long Honeydo list for him if he comes out of his den. That’s about the best I can figure anyway.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 12:28 AM
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:23 AM
No, no you have never intended to have a discourse. This is it, it’s your thing. I don’t understand it, it doesn’t make sense regardless of whatever your views are. I have seen you do it on other threads but thought I must have missed something. I hope you have enjoyed yourself, no harm no foul.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 12:30 AM
That’s a good question. I suspect that his
wifemama must have a very long Honeydo list for him if he comes out of his den. That’s about the best I can figure anyway.Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Pardon my intrusion, but I couldn’t help myself.
Laura in Maryland on September 15, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Last item I read was Steve Diamond
desertdweller on September 15, 2008 at 12:33 AM
I have never tried to play the victim, but apparently I have come across that way to you.:(
I am arguing not for myself, but against a way of thinking and of acting that is exclusionary – if you are not one of us, if you don’t think like one of us, then we are going to shut you down.
I have seen the same thing happen again and again, here at HA, on other posts, and feel very strongly that MR, FW, and some others have been doing this here today. Yes, I may have brought some of it on myself, but that does not excuse the continued derision now culminating in MR calling me a douchebag and insisting I leave. (That is part of the problem, the harder you push me, the harder I will push back, or at least stand my ground.)
Shutting down dissent is dangerous, and is un American. Dissent and the free market of ideas is required for a free people. Now, this hardly seems the place to fight that fight, but I think everywhere is the place to fight it.
ManlyRash, I don’t like you, but I apologize for my name calling.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Rattled? I hadnt noticed. Maybe I should sit down. No I am already sitting down so maybe I should stand up. Doesnt bother me. Is there something I should know? I can google too. Its not that hard. Its free too.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Laura in Maryland on September 15, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Tell me Laura;
Have you actually been reading this thread? You’re more bored than I am!
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Is this suppose to be a political blog or a elementary school cafeteria. It’s really getting hard to tell.
Murphy9 on September 14, 2008 at 7:09 PM
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 12:35 AM
…sigh…
Troll bickering is boring…
In other news: interesting read from a PUMA in the Baltimore Sun.
The disturbing part is the last line… she’s a psychologist. *shudders*
Well, as long as their voting McCain, I don’t care how odd they are.
Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 12:35 AM
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:33 AM
You may have brought this on yourself, but I don’t think you understand why.
It’s not so much the name calling. Its what Cindy has been trying to tell you.
You are not engaging in any type of debate or conversation. You’re not bringing anything to the table.
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Dont worry I get the same way myself sometimes.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Thanks. I’ll check that out. Sleep is calling folks. Carry on everyone, beware the troll gas.
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 12:38 AM
I have been attempting to read this thread, and I am saving it for future reference regarding troll hunting, identification, and capture. It should be studied as it is being taught by masters of the art.
It’s the multiple personality troll that I’m still working on. Are they all hyper-coordinated, or are there just a few who have multiple IP addresses and HA memberships?
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Nice pw3nage, FiveWays!
desertdweller on September 15, 2008 at 12:40 AM
You people just won’t accept the simple truth(s) that McCain is: old, out of touch, defensive, borderline senile, cranky, a flip-flopper, lacking good judgment, and is certainly not qualified to lead this country.
an_abstraction on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Who the hell cares? He’s got a hot babe as his running mate. Where are your priorities anyway?
Murphy9 on September 14, 2008 at 6:57 PM
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Sorry you think that way, Salty. I don’t agree that has nothing to do with lack of debate or conversation. I started out debating the age of McCain and got sidetracked by all the troll wars.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 12:41 AM
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