Everything new is “old” again
posted at 4:30 pm on September 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Earlier this week, Barack Obama promised that he would sharpen his attacks on John McCain in response to panicking Democrats watching their gimme election vanishing before their eyes. Instead of coming up with something new, Team Obama has decided to go with an old attack — by calling McCain old. Two days ago, they tried it with the blindingly stupid e-mail ad, and today they’ve apparently farmed the theme out to their surrogates:
On This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., a surrogate for the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., raised the age and health of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., when discussing the qualifications, or lack thereof, of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
McCaskill said she stood by her remarks that she’s “uncomfortable with anyone, regardless of gender, that is going to be vice president to one of the oldest presidents we’ve ever had that has never met a world leader.”
When Stephanopoulos asked her it was fair to raise McCain’s age, McCaskill doubled-down and mentioned his past skin cancer, saying, “I think what we’re talking about is a reality. Other people talk about his melanoma. We’re talking about a reality here that we have to face. This is someone who’s going to be one heartbeat away from the presidency. All of us know it. I just think that it’s the facts, George, and that’s something that we need to start focusing on, are the facts, instead of distortions and lies.”
Is age an issue in a presidential candidate? It could be, but McCain is hardly decrepit. His physical disabilities have nothing to do with his age, and his mind is as sharp as ever. In looking at both men, McCain seems to be thriving, while Obama seems to have aged years in the past few months. McCain’s 72 is a lot different than 72 would have been even 24 years ago, when the nation re-elected a 73-year-old Ronald Reagan to a second term.
While it’s not an illegitimate question, it’s not new, either. Voters have known about McCain’s age all through the electoral cycle, and he answered the medical questions in May when he released his medical records — something Obama has yet to do. His prognosis is excellent, and doctors pronounced him in fine shape, which certainly didn’t appear to shock his 96-year-old mother.
This smacks of desperation by Team Obama. They should have learned their lesson when they botched the e-mail ad. It makes them look like they’ve run out of arguments and have to go back to the ones that flopped on their first attempt.
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Do you think most of us are 100% McCain backers? We all have our concerns with the Maverick, but Palin gives us some hope.
But is Obama a BETTER alternative? Really?
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Do you see now Cindy? And on top of their contest to see who can call troll the most. Can there in all of internetdome be a lower intellectual level blog than this one has become, in the comments anyway? What adult would want to converse with juvenile twits like these? Not me. You know the old saying – when you argue with a twit then eventually you have two twits arguing with each other. Again, no thanks.
Tav on September 14, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Looks like I’ve missed out on a fun thread.
Somebody want to give me the elevator version?
Parting shot — I still think McCain should have invited the Messiah along on McCain’s Grand Canyon hike. Would have been big news when the rescue choppers were called to haul the city slicker off the trail.
desertdweller on September 14, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Yeah Bish, that would do a better job. I was more looking at taking the winds of history out of the “Messiah’s” sails vis a vis being the first black man in history..yadda yadda..
Tee, I like what i’ve seen of Steele too. Talk about your clean and articulate! lol. He seems to have a sense of humour as well.
But I was looking at it more from an experienced older guy ah la Biden to Obama.
Aussie-T on September 14, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Tav on September 14, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Now, wait. Let’s talk some more. I think that Sen. Obama was sub consciously referring to Gov. Palin because she has knocked him off of his stride. I don’t think that Sen. McCain should have amped it up. I think you could tell from the crowd reaction that a lot of folks thought that is what he meant. As to the children’s sex ed, I happen to be of the opinion that it should be taught at home. The schools should teach biology and health and all that entails through the age progression. I will determine what and how my child is taught about predators. Kids don’t need a lot of in depth information at such a young age. The bill that Sen. Obama voted for was over broad but then so was Sen. McCain’s attack for that vote. You see, isn’t this easy?
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Non ti preoccupare. Facciamocci un bicchiere, paisano.
(Don’t worry about it. Let’s have a drink, fellow countryman.)
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Oh…I see you don’t do humor.
That’s a shame; because I think you’re funny.
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 10:46 PM
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Yeah he is. Crew chief on a Huey. I thought the Miss Cindy was a southern thing, we do that to adults around here. That’s what the kids (now adults) called me when mine were growing up.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Sure, DD.
Conversation started about Obama’s new campaign tactic.
A troll invaded and was detected. Battle ensued.
It called up reinforcements. A bloodbath ensued.
Trolls were defeated and beaten back.
Sanity and civility ensued.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 10:49 PM
The ONLY reason I’m voting for a disloyal and untrustworthy bastard like McCain is because of Palin. I would have voted for nobody in November with Huckabee or Pawlenty on the ticket. I still hate McCain but Palin adds enough sanity to the ticket to be hopeful for the future even if we have to endure cranky old bastard and his left of center schemes concerning amnesty.
highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 10:51 PM
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 10:40 PM
I was just joshing, he should quit it is NOT good.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 10:54 PM
I am a Yankee…but NOT a Damn Yankee. I love the South and have many friends there and, yes, I used the term Miss Cindy because it is one of endearment and respect. I shall, with your permission, continue to use it.
Give my warmest regards and humble thanks to Mr. Munford for his service to our country. I was never in the military, but my late father was. And my grandfather was a U.S. Marine who got gassed on the battlefields of France in 1918.
Tell Mr. Munford that my father and grandfather salute him.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Wow… when I left earlier, this was about 2 pages of minor trolling. I come back to 8 pages of the battle for middle earth.
*puts on helmet and climbs in trench*
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 10:55 PM
If we wait that long then we will have waited far too long. It is the process that gets a nation to that point that starts out like you’ve said – bad, not intolerable. By the time it becomes intolerable, history shows that it has become so entrenched and powerful, that only war can reverse it.
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Understandable, HH. This only reinforces what I thought on that incredible Friday when McCain announced his selection: he not only ensured his election, but that cagey old bastard saved the GOP and gave it new life and new hope.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Damiano–make sure ya got yer gas mask, the troll farts are bad tonite.
irongrampa on September 14, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Way to hustle there, Gandalf. Most of the Orcs have been slaughtered already. What the hell kept you?
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Then I guess it’s time to whip out the “Obama is a cocaine abuser and cocaine abusers can fall back into their habits easily” commercial.
drjohn on September 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Tav on September 14, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Well I have to admit that I don’t recognize that old saying with the world twit, but I get your drift. People are just trying to be funny. There are a lot of funny people on this site. But I understand if that is not your thing, just don’t take it so personally. If you don’t go on the defensive people will treat your posts with more respect.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Good for her! I wish my folks would wake up and be able to tear themselves away from the lying lefty media.
Palin is totally the Real Deal, that’s why the left and it’s media dogs are tearing themselves up trying to cast her in a bad light. It’s painful to watch her family go through that, but I think they’ll come out on top.
4shoes on September 14, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Over the top, Doc – even for me.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM
*puts on gas mask*
Sorry I’m late, I was busy admiring Palin on the Fox fluff piece.
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM
LOL!
He should stand guard tonight.
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Seems like the worst of the flatulence has passed, IG.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Nevermind. That’s a pretty good excuse….love the Sarah-cuda….
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:02 PM
My inner Patton says:
By the way…how did Arctic Fox do?
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:03 PM
As log as we have the second ammendment protected by the court, we should be in good shape on that speech stuff.
Another GREAT reason that a Palinn administration has a nice ring to it.
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:04 PM
I dunno… someone posted an idea here that I thought would be good. Remake Obama’s “1982″ ad, but start talking about what he was up to while McCain got busy in the Senate with his huge cell phone and corduroy suit.
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 11:04 PM
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 10:54 PM
I will pass on your thanks. And you can call me anything you want, I promise not to find fault.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:04 PM
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Sorry for my poor spelling…
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Time for the old folk, so for all you that have to work tomorrow,—-Retirement means Monday is just another day.
irongrampa on September 14, 2008 at 11:05 PM
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 10:56 PM
I get the impression that you feel your civil liberties are under attack. Please expand.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:06 PM
As you wish, Miss Cindy.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:06 PM
irongrampa on September 14, 2008 at 11:05 PM
That hurts!
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:06 PM
WE would love it, Damiano. But the general public? Not so much. And the Drive-Bys would have kittens.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Recycled fluff piece, pretty much the same as the earlier one done by Greta. It hit all the highlights and put the negatives into a non-Kos perspective. Lefties will hate it.
I hate to admit it, but Fox better be careful. Their lips are getting nearly as chapped on the bodacious brunette bottom as Tingly and Bathtub Boy’s are on the shining, rose smelling rear of the The One.
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 11:08 PM
The Palin pick changed my outlook on this race. It also gave me hope in a truly Conservative future for the Republican Party.
I never left the Republican Party- it left me.
Now with Palin and Jindal- there is definite hope.
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:08 PM
I give you a toast…the Undiscovered Country.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:09 PM
True. But then, it’s Fox contra mundi, no?
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 11:08 PM
But Greta is a lib.
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:10 PM
The Silent Majority will rebuild that Shining City on the Hill.
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Wow, Cindy, I’d have to go back a bit, as that thread started with a post from Bishop back on page 6 or 7.
No skin of my nose, no harm no foul.
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Good point, but it would be better than the “lipstick” response ad. At least it would focus on something irrefutable.
On the whole, I agree though. McCain’s playing in the mud with Obama too much and missing the opportunity to use Obama’s meltdown and the Palinmania attention to push a concrete message. I am thoroughly disappointed that The Lexington Project is almost totally ignored (especially by Obama) and McCain’s sending Obama’s economic plan away in a puff of logic. There’s been too much focus on stupidity and trumped up little stuff and their missing the gaping holes.
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 11:08 PM
I posted on another thread about a bit of the CNN special on Sen. Biden that I caught last night. The part I saw was about the hearing with General Petreaus (sorry if that’s wrong) and his turn to question. They told about the length, the number of words and the fact that he never actually asked a question. They did what appear to be a time lapse of him droning on and on. It was brutal. I did the old “Bless his heart” I felt so bad.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:13 PM
And Mark Sanford…
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:14 PM
If McCain helps the GOP by making a good choice for VP it is only a second order effect. McCain has no interest in the party and can take or leave it except for the fact he needs it to get elected. The real test will be what happens if he gets elected and how he uses Palin then.
highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Her husband has announced he is voting for McCain. It doesn’t matter what Fox does, the left hates them.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:16 PM
McCain needs to be highlighting Barry’s failings as a “community organizer”. Those hundreds of housing projects that are uninhabitable are just begging for an ad.
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:16 PM
So now it is subconsciously? Well that is clearly good enough evidence for a conviction right there. Hang the bastard! You have previously seemed above that to me. Maybe you are spending too much time here and are slowly being contaminated. Frankly I intend to spend a lot less here and expect that I will be the better for it.
Well knock me over with a feather as I thought from the way you talked you were George S. Patton himself! See Cindy and everyone I have a sense of humor. Seriously now, he gives himself away a mile away.
Tav on September 14, 2008 at 11:16 PM
I hate how that sounds – uses her like he has used the GOP?
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Palin will have her own MoJo that he will have to consider.
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:17 PM
And thus we all wait with bated breath.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Another non-answer answer. But I have to admire the way you keep plugging away.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Palin has roused the Base in a major way- we’ll see how eager McCain/Palin will be to squander that support.
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Here’s to your health.
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Nahhh. He’s smart enough to know what he was saying.
He took the opportunity to use the phrase. It was pretty slick, I thought.
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Remember what I said to you earlier, Miss Cindy? Be wise as a serpent and guiless as a dove…
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:20 PM
highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 11:15 PM
It won’t matter is he doesn’t use her at all. Trust me she will be there making the most of what she can learn and use it to her advantage.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Perhaps you might join Tav at the spa? You are looking a bit peaked.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Oh well. I know a lot of “centrists” that watch Fox rather than MSNBC.
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:23 PM
I hope McCain will have the good sense to give her a high profile, hands-on roll in the administration. And I hope he gives her Cheney’s man-sized security cabinet; she’d put it to good use!
Laura in Maryland on September 14, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Just can’t help yourself can you…..
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:23 PM
I suspect she will, Laura.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Just trying to keep from boring you to death.
I contended that treating people in the way that this thread has today is using tactics that authoritarians use to silence critics and stifle dissent, and yes is a step on the road to violating civil rights. It’s not anywhere near that, but why do we stoop to traveling the same corridors?
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Thanks, MR for the recap. Trolls are such fun, aren’t they? They squeal so much when squeezed.
desertdweller on September 14, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Smarmy… that’s the word I’d use.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:25 PM
With the enthusiasm Palin has caused- McCain would have to be insane to give her standard state-funeral VP duties…..insane….
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM
They squeal so much when
squeezedslaughtered.Fixed it for ya.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM
You’re on a blog with an anonymous name. The administrator could can you anytime they want.
Gimme a break.
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Like I’ve said now three times, not your call to make.
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Hold your fire, Five and Damiano. She can handle this one.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Tav on September 14, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Hang him? I think I said that I thought Sen. McCain should have not responded to it. What a very odd context you put on my reply. No offense, it has been lovely talking to you but you maybe right about posting here. I hope you change your mind but I hope you will be a little bit less dramatic in your interpretation of the posts you read.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Oh for Christ sake- stop already!
That shit is right out of KosKid country……
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:27 PM
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:25 PM
“Dumb” is probably the best assessment…definitely a clear lack of judgement.
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I’m not referring to AP, Salty.
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM
What about Obama’s age? He’s right in the middle of “mid-life.” He could have a crisis at any moment, buy a Corvette, leave his wife and move to Cabo.
29Victor on September 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Hold your fire and spill the wind from your sails.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:29 PM
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:20 PM
I got it, trust me.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:29 PM
You’re more brave than me, Cindy. I sat through the “McCain/ Obama Revealed” pieces on CNN and nearly kicked in my TV. The McCain piece was:
“Guy who should have been kicked out of the Naval Academy recklessly trashes planes before selling out to Communists under threat of tickle torture. After abandoning his principles, the same guy ditched his poor wife who waiting for him for 5 years for a new sugar mama/ drug addict/ thief; who leveraged her fathers shady connections and inherited wealth to find him a new career with the Keating 5 in Congress. Now he’s running for President after getting spanked by the worst President in history, George Bush”
VS.
“Deprived but brilliant African American struggles though the impossible odds of an elite primary education to become the first black President of Harvard Law. In between, he abandons a promising career on Wall St. to find jobs for everyone on the South Side of Chicago and turned it into a Beverly Hills community with the help of the distinguished humanitarian, Tony Rezco, and the Light of God on Earth, Rev. Wright. This amazing youth married the African American version of Martha Stewart, who moonlights as a hospital executive when she is not caring for their 2 beautiful daughters and baking apple pie. He later defeated a series of corrupt politicians to become first a state senator, then a US senator. Now, he is fulfilling divine destiny and the Dream of MLK by ousting the evil George Bush and his nefarious clone, John McCain.”
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Good grief you have to be a a gluten for punishment or in for sh$ts and giggles to watch that channel. I am always so appreciative when someone watches and reports back.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Cabo…Mexican strippers, cheap beer and donkeys. Oh man, does that bring back memories.
*awkward pause*
Oh God…did I type that out LOUD?
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Your resembling the story “Chicken Little“.
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:32 PM
You’re… (sorry again)
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:33 PM
*bows and scrapes obsequiously*
I am not worthy…
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:33 PM
And follow that up with an exposé on The Chosen One’s attempt at “Executive Experience” as chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge! D’oh — that brings in the association with the domestic terrorist William Ayers.
Third advertisement: Show the lawyers digging through Gov. Palin’s per diem records, and mention how the Obama campaign is scrutinizing her $60 per day while Obama makes $350,000 on a real estate deal with his convict friend Rezko.
desertdweller on September 14, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Thought for the day. How many here fit this one?
Paul Campos: The parallels between Senator James Inhofe’s [where he asked Gore to take a pledge to use no more energy than most Americans do] criticism of Gore and the “chicken hawk” argument made by opponents of the Iraq war are striking. Consider the hypothetical case of an Iraq war supporter who we’ll call “Jonah.” Jonah posts lots of things on the Internet in which he argues that the Iraq war is the central front in the war on terror, and that the war on terror is a fight for America’s survival.
When critics point out that our military has had to lower admission standards in order to meet recruiting quotas, and that Jonah himself is a healthy man of military age, Jonah replies that he’s contributing to the global war on terror in his own fashion, by posting pro-war arguments on the Internet, attaching a yellow ribbon magnet to his car, and so forth.
This response is just as lame as Gore’s, and in exactly the same way. If you claim we’re facing a huge crisis that requires great personal sacrifice on everyone’s part, but refuse to make any real sacrifice yourself, then your attempts to obscure the latter fact through empty symbolic gestures deserve to be mocked.
It’s obvious what Al and Jonah should each do, given their respective beliefs: Al should radically simplify his lifestyle, and Jonah should join the military.
Yet each of them could also do something that would, in its own way, be almost as impressive: simply confess his hypocrisy and weakness, and implore others to behave differently.
Imagine if Gore were to say, “Yes, I live in a deeply self-indulgent, utterly wasteful fashion. People like me are a very big part of the problem. I’d like to change, but I’m weak. For the sake of our planet, you need to be a stronger person than I’ve been.”
Imagine if Jonah were to say, “Yes, I’m a hypocritical coward, who values his own skin more than America’s survival. And our nation won’t survive if it’s made up of people like me. For everyone’s sake, you need to be more courageous than I’ve been.”
Now those would be inconvenient truths.
HalJordan on September 14, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:32 PM
I don’t have television. I’m solely reliant on the internet and the radio.
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:35 PM
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM
I don’t know for the fun of it, to sharpen our rhetorical skills? You can handle it. To be honest with you, I would rather someone who disagrees with me call me an ignorant bitch, than degrade this site. You paint with too broad a brush.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:36 PM
No, it is from centuries of oppressed minorities identifying the techniques used against them to diminish and then destroy their identities and their rights.
I sincerely doubt anyone at KOS R US, Whoofington Post, or the NYT would understand it, as racist, as anti-God, as controlling, and as demeaning as most of their arguments are. Don’t follow in their footsteps.
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Anybody heard what’s up with those Annenberg files? Were they released? Scrubbed clean? Anything?
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Probably just giving a little rope.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:37 PM
ManlyRash, Damiano, Cindy -
Do you think McCain will be a one term president? I do – not because he’ll die, but just because I think he won’t run for a second term.
Although he’s been no party loyalist, frankly, the leaders of the party lost their way. I think Bush was so distracted by 9/11, and so intent on keeping the country safe, that he never played the role of party leader during his term. Absent a clear leader, the Repubs lost their way.
I take McCain’s selection of Palin as a sign that he does care about the party on some level.
I have to say, if Rudy were the nominee right now – with Palin as his VP – I think we’d be way ahead.
Y-not on September 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM
The difference, of course, is that “Jonah” is not calling on others to enlist in the military. He is not belittling others for not enlisting or taking up arms.
Al Gore, on the other hand…
Epic fail, troll. Try again.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:39 PM
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:37 PM
You’re on a computer fer criminy!
Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Now THAT is classic MB4 material…….how revealing……
FiveWays on September 14, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Maybe I jumped the gun and you are just a psychic mind reader then.
Tav on September 14, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Inner Machiavelli: He won’t ever say or give any hint, as this would render him a lame duck.
Inner Patton: He’ll troop through two terms if he can. He’s fighter who is not used to quitting.
Inner Spock: It would be logical to serve one term and retire undefeated to write the memoir of a life well lived
Manly Rash: Beats the hell outta me.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM
?…?….um, what?
trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Damiano on September 14, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Oh darlin, I didn’t watch it, I just stumbled on to and watched for less than a minute. You are the brave one. MSM are too annoying.
Cindy Munford on September 14, 2008 at 11:43 PM
This kill is yours. Go for it.
ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 11:43 PM
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