Everything new is “old” again

posted at 4:30 pm on September 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Earlier this week, Barack Obama promised that he would sharpen his attacks on John McCain in response to panicking Democrats watching their gimme election vanishing before their eyes.  Instead of coming up with something new, Team Obama has decided to go with an old attack — by calling McCain old.  Two days ago, they tried it with the blindingly stupid e-mail ad, and today they’ve apparently farmed the theme out to their surrogates:

On This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., a surrogate for the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., raised the age and health of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., when discussing the qualifications, or lack thereof, of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

McCaskill said she stood by her remarks that she’s “uncomfortable with anyone, regardless of gender, that is going to be vice president to one of the oldest presidents we’ve ever had that has never met a world leader.”

When Stephanopoulos asked her it was fair to raise McCain’s age, McCaskill doubled-down and mentioned his past skin cancer, saying, “I think what we’re talking about is a reality. Other people talk about his melanoma.  We’re talking about a reality here that we have to face.  This is someone who’s going to be one heartbeat away from the presidency.  All of us know it.  I just think that it’s the facts, George, and that’s something that we need to start focusing on, are the facts, instead of distortions and lies.”

Is age an issue in a presidential candidate?  It could be, but McCain is hardly decrepit.  His physical disabilities have nothing to do with his age, and his mind is as sharp as ever.  In looking at both men, McCain seems to be thriving, while Obama seems to have aged years in the past few months.  McCain’s 72 is a lot different than 72 would have been even 24 years ago, when the nation re-elected a 73-year-old Ronald Reagan to a second term.

While it’s not an illegitimate question, it’s not new, either.  Voters have known about McCain’s age all through the electoral cycle, and he answered the medical questions in May when he released his medical records — something Obama has yet to do.  His prognosis is excellent, and doctors pronounced him in fine shape, which certainly didn’t appear to shock his 96-year-old mother.

This smacks of desperation by Team Obama.  They should have learned their lesson when they botched the e-mail ad.  It makes them look like they’ve run out of arguments and have to go back to the ones that flopped on their first attempt.

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Remember, the constitution does not specify a maximum age, just a minimum one. I wonder why.

Y-not on September 14, 2008 at 5:39 PM

To be fair, in the founding fathers time 72 was pretty damned old and 96 was virtually unheard of. I suspect that the minimum age was designed to ensure seasoned candidates- which in the FF’s time would have meant holding a variety of local/state/federal jobs before being old enough to vie for the Presidency. Hard to imagine they envisioned it possible to get to the top job by a career that started out stoking racial bigotry as a “community organizer.”

When it comes to the Presidency, age is an issue IMO because of the importance of the job and the fact that it is hardly low-stress. Campaigns with more seasoned candidates face a double challenge of convincing the electorate that the candidate is physically up to the challenge and that, should the worse happen, there is a viable successor in the VP nominee. This standard also holds true for any candidate who has had serious health problems no matter what age. It’s just the way it is so there is no sense for anybody to get morally indignant when the question comes up.

Frankly, I think the bigger challenge for McCain’s campaign along these lines is not his health but Palin’s capability to become his successor should the worse happen (God forbid). I think it a minor challenge the campaign has handled well. The campaign isn’t saying it but unless McCain were to drop dead the day after being inagurated (again, God forbid), Palin is in the perfect place to get that experience her naysayers say makes her unelectable.

highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 6:21 PM

The whole reality for me is McCain chose on a whim,

I think you’re dreaming. mccain made a very calculated political choice to:

1) excite the base
2) pull in those disaffected hillary voters

and he succeeeded very well. he has turned around the race, and changed the narrative. to think it was a ‘whim’ is not realistic.

right4life on September 14, 2008 at 6:21 PM

I asked you to enumerate instances where Limbaugh or Hannity engaged in fabrications or smears. You never responded.

In this thread I asked you to name your news sources three times and you answered with a question.

Gotta cut this short…the dog is growling again.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Look, JockITch, you are not moderating here, and I will reply to you when and if I damn well please. I don’t give shiite if your mutt howls it’s ass off.

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:22 PM

I’m from Missouri and I cannot believe McCaskill beat Jim Talent. We have another interesting race going on though, Jacob Turk against Emanuel Cleaver In Missouri’s 5th district. It’s strictly grassroots but he’s making some headway. Now THAT would just be sweet, if he can actually beat Cleaver.

jewells45 on September 14, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Got this in an email over the weekend:

Who Am I?

I am under 45 years old,
I love the outdoors,
I hunt,
I am a Republican reformer,
I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
I have many children,
I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor’s office.

Did you guess?

I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900

Neocon Peg on September 14, 2008 at 6:22 PM

I’m from Missouri and I cannot believe McCaskill beat Jim Talent

mccaskill got the deceased vote in KC and st. louis.

right4life on September 14, 2008 at 6:23 PM

and he succeeeded very well. he has turned around the race, and changed the narrative. to think it was a ‘whim’ is not realistic.

right4life on September 14, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Maybe whim was the wrong word – gut is likely better. But it was still short term – win the election – not long term – then what?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:23 PM

There’s a reason the best presidents were old hands, proven and knowledgeable. I really fear for this election, on both sides. On the Dems, the old hand is #2, on the Repubs the old hand is, well, really old. Risky time, risky time.

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I think that you are forgetting that a worthy executive has a solid supporting team. The judgment to determine members of that team comes from age/experience.

I trust those advising McCain way more than I do those propping up and manipulating Obama.

onlineanalyst on September 14, 2008 at 6:23 PM

McCain seems to be in good health but I have confidence that Palin would do well if she became president. She’s clearly not afraid to lead, and that’s the most important thing.

A bit too much is being made of the age and experience “issue”. History is full of effective leaders who were much younger than 44 and had little experience when the rose to leadership. And 5 presidents held no elected office at all before becoming presidents, one of whom was Eisenhower. He came out of complete obscurity and leapfrogged scores of other officers to be made supreme commander of the ETO and then later became a two term president. He was an obscure staff officer at the beginning of 1941, but someone saw some leadership qualities, and all of a sudden, he was one of the most important leaders in the world for many years. Like him or not, at least he wasn’t preemptively disqualified by the media because he hadn’t been this or that, or because his family belonged to an unusual church or whatever.

But if the Demcrats want to keep bringing it up, more power to ‘em. It’ll just come back on Obama, and anyone who worries about Obama or Palin having too little seasoning will come back to one clear option – McCain.

forest on September 14, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Wouldn’t be fun to hear Clarence Thomas give an add endorsing Palin and McCain?

mindhacker on September 14, 2008 at 6:24 PM

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. But it is what it is: McCain/Palin on the one hand or Obama/Biden on the other.

The choice couldn’t be any more stark. And you have 50 days to decide – assuming you haven’t already decided.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Voters have known about McCain’s age all through the electoral cycle, and he answered the medical questions in May when he released his medical records — something Obama has yet to do.

Why won’t Obama release his past medical records? Perhaps he trying to hide his past heroin and cocaine addition?

I’d feel much more comfortable having an older, healthier man with a still living mother than a 46 year old drug addict and chain smoking socialist.

Gabe on September 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM

But it was still short term – win the election – not long term – then what?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:23 PM

he’s not expecting to die, no one is. but if she does have to assume power, I think she will be just fine. she’s tougher than you might think. I don’t have any problems with her being president…in fact she will be president, no matter what mccain does, in 4 or 8 years.

right4life on September 14, 2008 at 6:26 PM

O.K., I’m starting to question myself, (a familiar place for me) Someone needs to clarify for me: Isn’t the Speaker of the house always next in line behind the VP if something were to happen to the Pres.?

I won’t feel bad if I’m wrong- I went through the CA public school system….

anniekc on September 14, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Look, JockITch, you are not moderating here, and I will reply to you when and if I damn well please. I don’t give shiite if your mutt howls it’s ass off.

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Don’t piss that one off trailboss as he can turn into his alter ego George S. Patton at a moments notice and then you will really be sorry.

HalJordan on September 14, 2008 at 6:26 PM

I think that you are forgetting that a worthy executive has a solid supporting team. The judgment to determine members of that team comes from age/experience.

onlineanalyst on September 14, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Bing a ling dingo!

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:28 PM

highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Let’s knock this lame argument into the trash where it belongs, okay?

Any President, no matter what age, can drop dead or become sick with parkinsons, ms, cancer, or any number of problems that could render the President unable to hold office.

Obama refuses to take the “old man” on in unrestricted town hall meetings throughout the country.

Why should we gamble on a young, inexperienced, unaccomplished chick-chick-chiCKEN like that?

Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Isn’t the Speaker of the house always next in line behind the VP if something were to happen to the Pres.?

Unhless they changed the rules, yes you are correct.

jewells45 on September 14, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Damn keyboard.

jewells45 on September 14, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Look, JockITch, you are not moderating here, and I will reply to you when and if I damn well please. I don’t give shiite if your mutt howls it’s ass off. – trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Fiesty, defensive little minx. As reluctant to answer legitimate questions as you are eager to opine – complete with an utterly unimaginative ad hominem.

Interesting.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:30 PM

OT:
This has to be the funniest description of this election I’ve ever read
http://minx.cc/?post=273421

Dhael on September 14, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Don’t piss that one off trailboss as he can turn into his alter ego George S. Patton at a moments notice and then you will really be sorry.

HalJordan on September 14, 2008 at 6:26 PM

heh, George S. Patton. He had a manly rash. Got it from riding horses into battle in Mexico.

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Of course, if–God forbid–something were to happen to McCain, I rather imagine Palin would have the good sense to surround herself with wise and seasoned advisors.

Disturb the Universe on September 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Exit Questions: Is it just me, or is Obama’s hair VERY MUCH grayer than it was 2 months ago? Is there a stress issue here?

Arbalest on September 14, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Obama was counting on John Edwards’s hairdresser to handle to touchups between camera ops, but “the other America” distracted John, and thus he lost out on the #2 spot.

onlineanalyst on September 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM

I asked you to enumerate instances where Limbaugh or Hannity engaged in fabrications or smears. You never responded.

In this thread I asked you to name your news sources three times and you answered with a question.

Gotta cut this short…the dog is growling again.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Look, JockITch, you are not moderating here, and I will reply to you when and if I damn well please. I don’t give shiite if your mutt howls it’s ass off.

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Well, so far…

ManlyRash +1

Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM

I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900

Neocon Peg on September 14, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Cute!

The only real problem is the context.

TR got the job with McKinley’s death, a perfect set up for Palin defenders, but that’s where the similarities end. By the time he got to the White House he had already been a rancher, a scholar, a naturalist, a state legislator, a civil service commissioner, a New York City police commissioner, an Assistant Secretary of the Navy, an Army colonel, a war hero, and Governor of New York.

highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM

HalJordan on September 14, 2008 at 6:26 PM

LOL. Nah…right now I’m channelling my inner Fr. Lankester Merrin.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Fiesty, defensive little minx. As reluctant to answer legitimate questions as you are eager to opine – complete with an utterly unimaginative ad hominem.

Interesting.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Quite, um, manly of you to think so. Have you looked up the definition of ad hominem, or are you reciting from memory?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Whew! Thank you jewells45-

anniekc on September 14, 2008 at 6:33 PM

heh, George S. Patton. He had a manly rash. Got it from riding horses into battle in Mexico.

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Aww, give him a break. He probably hired a trailboss like you.

Disturb the Universe on September 14, 2008 at 6:34 PM

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:31 PM

So what is it about Rush or Sean that you so dislike? And from where do you get you news and information? Inquiring minds would like to know.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Are they trying to piss off the seniors.
Memo to Barack campaign:
Stop insulting people.It’s not working.

NeoKong on September 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Isn’t the Speaker of the house always next in line behind the VP if something were to happen to the Pres.?

Unhless they changed the rules, yes you are correct.

jewells45 on September 14, 2008 at 6:29 PM

That thought gives me a chill. Good thing McCain is healthy and he picked a young VP!

forest on September 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Wouldn’t be fun to hear Clarence Thomas give an add endorsing Palin and McCain?

mindhacker on September 14, 2008 at 6:24 PM

No, as a matter of fact it wouldn’t because it would mean that the SCOTUS had decided to give up what little pretense is left that they are above politics.

highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Quite, um, manly of you to think so. Have you looked up the definition of ad hominem, or are you reciting from memory? – trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Very defensive, aren’t you?

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM

So what is it about Rush or Sean that you so dislike? And from where do you get you news and information? Inquiring minds would like to know.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Willing to call a truce to confer, or shall we continue the bickering?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:37 PM

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:19 PM

You make some good points here. I was a Thompson supporter, and Mitt was really second choice for me, although he did make me nervous. I was vehemently opposed to McCain, and thought I would pull the lever for him for the sole reason that Supreme Court Justices are on the line, and we have a better shot at good choices by him than Obama. Palin, however, has made McCain much more palatable to me, because not only does she not have a long Washington resume (a serious plus for me), but she is unwilling to tolerate corruption. That goes a long way with me, and is a stark contrast to Obama. Throw in Obama’s socialist goals, and Palin would be a better choice if she were at the top of the ticket.

DrMagnolias on September 14, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Willing to call a truce to confer, or shall we continue the bickering?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Truce for what him pointing out your active fantasy life?

Either C-span had a time machine or she was being considered way back in Feb. That the newsies didn’t get a chance to do the Barry team’s work for them ain’t a detriment to Mav it is a boon to showing how disciplined his machine is. You never did get around to answering why you don’t demand the same scrutiny for the Messiah over on the other ticket.

I really don’t expect you to go into it since you are here to generate noise to take us off task.

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Heh, is right! I’ve been following this guy for months. :)

First I’ve heard of him!

Bob's Kid on September 14, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Willing to call a truce to confer, or shall we continue the bickering? – trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:37 PM

I’m not the one sniping and name-calling – you are. A truce is unnecessary, as there are no hostilities – certainly none on my part.

I asked a few simple questions that a sincere person should have no difficulty answering. You can answer the questions or continue being hostile.

Your call.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:41 PM

O.K., so one of the Obama campaign’s (Esp. the nasty Michelle) favorite cries, is that Barry could be assassinated at any moment- just getting gas is dangerous for old Barry- and he truely does have all kinds of “Matt Damon’s actuary table risks” going for him; THEN, you have the deliciously foolish, Joe Biden with HIS history of health issues waiting in the wings, and the Dem’s think this is a winning arguement??

***FISH IN A BARREL***

anniekc on September 14, 2008 at 6:41 PM

I really don’t expect you to go into it since you are here to generate noise to take us off task.

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:41 PM

What task is that?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Not very good at it, either.

Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Throw in Obama’s socialist goals, and Palin would be a better choice if she were at the top of the ticket.

DrMagnolias on September 14, 2008 at 6:39 PM

and that’s the key…

I was a Condi man first, Fred second and drug kicking and screaming to McCain…..Palin is the future we can groom through McCain the rest is just noise. If silky pony was not anally examined, if Barry can get by with shrugs and “what can I say?” than Sarah Palin is plenty qualified to go to the dance as a second.

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Still waiting…

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Willing to call a truce to confer, or shall we continue the bickering?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:37 PM

I vote that the two of you continue the bickering. It is at least a little more entertaining than talking about old age.

Murphy9 on September 14, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Still waiting… – trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Just as I thought.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:44 PM

What task is that?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM

The task of having a challenging discussion. And so far, ManlyRash has you beat.

You’re mirroring the Obama campaign, actually.

Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 6:44 PM

What task is that?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Spreading conservative propaganda for the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

That’s the answer you’re looking for, isn’t it.

Disturb the Universe on September 14, 2008 at 6:45 PM

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:41 PM

This is a two-way street, MR, you have as much interest and responsiblity as I do. Now, truce, confer as men, or keep up the self-righteous bullshit flinging?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Murphy9 on September 14, 2008 at 6:43 PM

LOL. I can almost hear Grandpa Simpson saying that.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:45 PM

I sense that the disturbance in the Force is increasing.

What say you, Lord DTU?

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:46 PM

What task is that?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Focsuing on stopping the most socialist threat to this nation since FDR…..thanks for playing.

The die is cast the choices are McCain/Palin or Messiah the Capone/”Scranton” which for me means there is no choice…..

so donate, follow and vote, or go across the street and get the hell out of the way….

you trying to bust morale to know gain other than some nebulous “well you know John McCain did a great disservice to this nation by picking Sarah an inexperienced VP but the dDonks are blameless for putting Bambi at the top of the ticket when my son has more executive experience than Bambi because he ran a lemonade stand…..

nah no sale.

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:46 PM

if Barry can get by with shrugs and “what can I say?” than Sarah Palin is plenty qualified to go to the dance as a second.

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM

And this is the “at the end of the day” argument.

And this is so blatantly apparent to the casual voting observer that the McCain campaign can move on to their next chess move.

Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 6:47 PM

This is a two-way street, MR, you have as much interest and responsiblity as I do. Now, truce, confer as men, or keep up the self-righteous bullshit flinging?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:45 PM

What bulldrek slinging?

He asked you for a simple cite on an assertion you made. We call that “proof” where I come from, Bulldrek is what is left when folks make blind assertions without aiming for a toilet.

Thanks for playing.

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:47 PM

The Obama people seem to be having problems coming up with any arguments that reach beyond his base. The age thing probably resonates with the college crowd because when you’re 22, 72 seems really old. When you’re 50, not so much. But the 18-24 year olds are suppposed to be in Obama’s camp already. I wonder if his internal polling is showing some erosion there.

Bennett on September 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Let’s knock this lame argument into the trash where it belongs, okay?

Any President, no matter what age, can drop dead or become sick with parkinsons, ms, cancer, or any number of problems that could render the President unable to hold office.

Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 6:29 PM

No argument here, nobody imagined JFK’s time in office would have been as short as it was. Or that Ronald Reagan served out a full eight years with the vigor he did. That being said, when the age issue comes up, it’s better to respond in an intelligent manner than getting indignant and start down the path of “age is irrelevant.”

Like it or not, age is not irrelevant to the electorate. Some will vote for McCain or Obama because of this issue and it needs to be dealt with like any other issue- put out the best case and keep moving on. The worst thing McCain’s camp can do is dig their heels in and make some statement about having released medical records and refusing to speak further about the issue of age. It would make it seem as if they were hiding something. Again, it’s not fair but it is a reality of politics that older candidates have to deal with this challenge in the same way that female candidates have to doubly prove they are up to challenges of the office they are campaigning for.

highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Got this in an email over the weekend:

Who Am I?

I am under 45 years old,
I love the outdoors,
I hunt,
I am a Republican reformer,
I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
I have many children,
I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor’s office.

Did you guess?

I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900

Neocon Peg on September 14, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Thanks Neocon Peg. Just Viral that.

Sapwolf on September 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM

By the time he got to the White House he had already been a rancher, a scholar, a naturalist, a state legislator, a civil service commissioner, a New York City police commissioner, an Assistant Secretary of the Navy, an Army colonel, a war hero, and Governor of New York.

highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM

But if TR were here, he’d most likely tell you that ALL of that is not NEARLY as impressive as being the mother of five children.

My collie says:

And he’d be RIGHT, too.

CyberCipher on September 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM

What task is that?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Saving the Cheerleader.

Murphy9 on September 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:47 PM

Well done, Lord Sven. Is that a lightsaber in your Jedi robe or are you just happy to be here?

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM

And this is the “at the end of the day” argument.

And this is so blatantly apparent to the casual voting observer that the McCain campaign can move on to their next chess move.

Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 6:47 PM

Quite, as an objectivist I deal with what is not what should be.

A *is* a. Sarah Palin *is* the VP pick.

If any ticket swaps out to reload it will be Barry and Her Majesty….a long shot but still more likely.

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM

I haven’t felt the force like this since…

Stops, turns, puts up Jedi hood and scurries away to another part of the Death Star.

Disturb the Universe on September 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM

The age thing probably resonates with the college crowd because when you’re 22, 72 seems really old

.

When you’re 22, 30 seems ancient.

highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 6:50 PM

CyberCipher on September 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM

My golden retriever asks:

Does your collie growl when trolls are lurking nearby?

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

You people just won’t accept the simple truth(s) that McCain is: old, out of touch, defensive, borderline senile, cranky, a flip-flopper, lacking good judgment, and is certainly not qualified to lead this country.

Who are the ones flailing? Who are the ones in denial?

Lemme help: it’s the party that starts with an “R” :]

an_abstraction on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

But if TR were here, he’d most likely tell you that ALL of that is not NEARLY as impressive as being the mother of five children.

My collie says:

And he’d be RIGHT, too.
CyberCipher on September 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM

and Barry would tell you NONE of that is the equal of “community organizing”…..

Mr. Me$$iah is a cruel joke on the electorate.

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Disturb the Universe on September 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM

ROTFLMAO

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Rush- Can think on his feet, as can Mark Levin. Hannity, it’s the same old tired lines. Don’t get me wrong, I like Hannity, but he really grates on my nerves. I quit listening to his radio show and between him and Colmes, can barely sit through H and C. I always thought it would be interesting on these shows, if instead of these idiot pundits they have on, bring someone on who’s just the average Joe Shmoe and debate the issues.

jewells45 on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

LOL. I can almost hear Grandpa Simpson saying that.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:45 PM

How old is Grandpa Simpson?

Murphy9 on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

You people just won’t accept the simple truth(s) that McCain is: old, out of touch, defensive, borderline senile, cranky, a flip-flopper, lacking good judgment, and is certainly not qualified to lead this country.

Who are the ones flailing? Who are the ones in denial?

Lemme help: it’s the party that starts with an “R” :]

an_abstraction on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Heh, yeah because if I go down to Lowe’s and get the local “irregularly documented” to unionize I am every bit the community organizer Barry is….

I like Blue Ties and my Arugula and Watercress kept crisp….

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Does your collie growl when trolls are lurking nearby?

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

My collie says:

Ever eat a troll? Some parts ARE edible, ya’ know.

CyberCipher on September 14, 2008 at 6:53 PM

an_abstraction on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

I guess reinforcements were called up.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:53 PM

Well, MR, not manly enough to take responsibility for your own crap when called on it, so you must rely on surrogates for support?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:53 PM

Well done, Lord Sven. Is that a lightsaber in your Jedi robe or are you just happy to be here?

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM

I’m just the oldest Padawan on the block…

this guy is a blaster ball for practice…Drywall and Ralphie are him without the feigned manners.

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM

By looking at past associations I would absolutely take a McCain/Palin administration over a 0B0mber/BiBi.

Can you imagine Rev. Wright as Spiritual advisor to the POTUS or opening the Congressional day with prayer, or William Ayers as HUD secretary or Anthony Rezko as Fed. chairman?

Has 0B0mba ever highered or fired any employee, balanced any budget, managed anything what-so-ever? Anything?

dhunter on September 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM

He should not have picked Palin, not yet. She’s not ready, yet.
b) He should have taken Mitt or at least Thompson.

Neither would have excited the base nearly as much, but at the greater risk of losing he would have been keeping the interests of the country more at heart than simply the interests of winning.

I understand the flip side, that winning itself is a service – perhaps.

The whole reality for me is McCain chose on a whim

I was a Thompson person. When he dropped out, I voted for Romney (I’m in CA), although I would have been more excited about Giuliani had he still been running. [That's probably a weird mix, but I am more of a security and pursuit of happiness person than a economics wonk and social conservative (hence the Giuliani over Romney).]

Assuming you don’t think McCain should risk switching running mates at this stage, I hope you can some to terms with his VP choice and enthusiastically support him (and Palin).

I really think that it was a sign of strength that he chose her. Yes, there was some political component to the choice, but I don’t think that was the prevailing reason he chose her. And I don’t think it was whim. I don’t buy the MSM’s assertion that she wasn’t vetted. She was vetted, they just hid the process really well. I think he did a lot of thinking about his choice.

First, I’m not sure I buy that he really wanted Lieberman. Everyone asserts it, but where’s the proof? And, even if he did want Lieberman, at least picking Joe would have been consistent with the importance he places on the war on terror. (I respect Lieberman, but he is damaged goods and would not have brought votes to the ticket IMHO with all the mud the dems have thrown on him.)

Second, unlike Obama, who could not cope with a strong former opponent on his ticket, I think McCain would have considered picking Romney (not sure if Mitch would’ve taken it) were it not for the segment of evangelicals who so vocally opposed him. Very bad for the party to have people railing against Romney because he’s not socially conservative enough and/or a devil-worshipper. And, their battles in the primaries would’ve provided the dems lots of juicy fodder in the general election.

I love Fred, but in my opinion he doesn’t bring anything to the ticket. I think his strength is in constitutional issues, not the economy, energy, or “executive” experience, so he adds nothing. On top of that, Fred and McCain disagree on illegal immigration, global warming, etc. I think Fred is right, but McCain is the top of the ticket. And, Fred didn’t prove to be a great campaigner.

Eliminate Rudy for health reasons.

Eliminate Carly and Meg Whitman because they haven’t held public office.

So that leaves Huckabee, Pawlenty, Jindal, and Palin. Love Jindal but he turned it down. Huckabee is damaged goods from the primaries.

Pawlenty vs Palin? Well, Palin brings the energy issue and the reformer status. She also fires up conservatives and she looks to be a great stump speech person.

If McCain dies in office, Palin will have a team of advisors and cabinet members to help her. I think she has great conservative principles, I admire what she has accomplished in her life (without all of the advantages a guy like Obama had), and she is committed to serving the people who elected her.

Sorry this is long, but I really think Palin is a very good choice. I respect McCain for making it.

Y-not on September 14, 2008 at 6:55 PM

Ever eat a troll? Some parts ARE edible, ya’ know.
CyberCipher on September 14, 2008 at 6:53 PM

I guess reinforcements were called up.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:53 PM

Looks like meat’s back on the menu, boys!

Disturb the Universe on September 14, 2008 at 6:55 PM

Oh please- call me cynical, but Obama’s grey hair is as real as my blond hair! That came about solely as a way to introduce “gravitas” and “wisdom” into his resume! They did it right around the Hilter, (I mean, BERLIN) speech. The grey hair is almost as offensive as his “folksy- we’re all just regular guys,” (who have no ability to say: “Policeeehhh”) speaking style.

anniekc on September 14, 2008 at 6:55 PM

The worst thing McCain’s camp can do is dig their heels in and make some statement about having released medical records and refusing to speak further about the issue of age. It would make it seem as if they were hiding something.

highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Yes, I agree. That is the worst thing, because its a defensive posture.

But, he should take a very aggressive stance on this issue, such as:

The only thing old here is Obama’s timid nature on having UNRESTRICTED townhall meetings around the nation.

Always, always, always, stay on offense.

Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 6:55 PM

jewells45 on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Ditto for Hannity. I love the man – he is honest, forthright and a sincerely patriotic American doing the best he can to support the country he loves. But his radio schtik leaves something to be desired, as he tends to get repetitious.

Mark Levin, on the other hand, sounds like a raving madman…and I love him. Talk about incisive and intelligent – he is both. And a good, patriotic mn.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:56 PM

Well, MR, not manly enough to take responsibility for your own crap when called on it, so you must rely on surrogates for support?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:53 PM

No support needed, you made an assertion without any evidence. We call that BS here. Let me help you out.

I make the assertion Barry only released a truncated version of his medical records….

You say: BS that is a Rovian Lie!

and I say:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/30/nation/na-obama30

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/rnr/839852996.html

Voila that is a “cite” mate….catch the wave…try to use Roger’s Rules of Order instead of KOS-Fu

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:56 PM

You people just won’t accept the simple truth(s) that McCain is: old, out of touch, defensive, borderline senile, cranky, a flip-flopper, lacking good judgment, and is certainly not qualified to lead this country.

an_abstraction on September 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Who the hell cares? He’s got a hot babe as his running mate. Where are your priorities anyway?

Murphy9 on September 14, 2008 at 6:57 PM

Oh please- call me cynical, but Obama’s grey hair is as real as my blond hair! That came about solely as a way to introduce “gravitas” and “wisdom” into his resume! They did it right around the Hilter, (I mean, BERLIN) speech. The grey hair is almost as offensive as his “folksy- we’re all just regular guys,” (who have no ability to say: “Policeeehhh”) speaking style.

anniekc on September 14, 2008 at 6:55 PM

By November Morgan Freeman will be asking him how to age so gracefully on screen.

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:57 PM

BTW,are any of the photo’s,from the Lib MSM,
of John McCain,deliberately,like photoshopped
a tad greyer,not the hair,but his skin?

canopfor on September 14, 2008 at 6:57 PM

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:53 PM

And I’m delighted that I can still sniff them out a mile away.

Disturb the Universe on September 14, 2008 at 6:55 PM

YUM.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:58 PM

It appears that the last time Allah opened up the registration period the word went out to the KOS Kids Trolls.
I am starting to prefer other sites where the discussion at least makes some sense most of the time. It wasn’t that way before the last open enrollment.

Thanks Allah!

dhunter on September 14, 2008 at 6:58 PM

I worry about that mole on the side of Obama’s nose. Has he had that checked out?

Disturb the Universe on September 14, 2008 at 6:59 PM

highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Actually, that was a lame way of putting it.

He should say something like:

The only thing gettin’ old around here is Obama’s reluctance to debate out in the open.

C’Mon Obama. The American people want debates. REAL debates.

Saltysam on September 14, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Remember, the constitution does not specify a maximum age, just a minimum one. I wonder why.

Y-not on September 14, 2008 at 5:39 PM

To be fair, in the founding fathers time 72 was pretty damned old and 96 was virtually unheard of. I suspect that the minimum age was designed to ensure seasoned candidates- which in the FF’s time would have meant holding a variety of local/state/federal jobs before being old enough to vie for the Presidency.

Yes, you’re right. Actually, given the relative maturity of 20 year olds from the 18th century compared to today’s 20 year olds, I wonder if the Founding Fathers would have specified an even older minimum age were they around today. I’m sure most men were married with children by aged 20 in the 1700′s.

Hard to imagine they envisioned it possible to get to the top job by a career that started out stoking racial bigotry as a “community organizer.”

Bingo.

It is interesting, however, that they did not require that the president had served in the military, been elected to office, or even by able to read… let alone be able to send an email!

:-)

Y-not on September 14, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Has anyone noticed that the mole on Obama’s face seems much larger in recent photos. And, interesting that he hasn’t released his medical records…..anything to hide?

AndAwayWeGo on September 14, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Well, MR, not manly enough to take responsibility for your own crap when called on it, so you must rely on surrogates for support?

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 6:53 PM

You must be new here cowboy. Things around these here parts tend toward the very cliquish.

Murphy9 on September 14, 2008 at 7:00 PM

If any ticket swaps out to reload it will be Barry and Her Majesty….a long shot but still more likely.

sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Short of death and probably even then, I’m not sure that it is legally possible. The conventions have been held and the president/VP candidates voted onto the ticket for the two parties by their appointed delegates. That’s the official “go signal” for the local/state elections officials to print ballots. Parties can’t be making last minute changes to the ticket.

Palin isn’t going anywhere since she adds the only real excitement and energy to this election. Obama, figuring that McCain would choose another old white guy, made a safe pick with Biden to bolster his lack of any foreign policy experience. That strategy failed because the only real promise of reform and change is essentially with the GOP ticket now. Would have loved to have been in the room when Obama realized that he had his legs cut out from under him.

highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 7:00 PM

My chocolate lab wants to know if there’s any of that troll left….

anniekc on September 14, 2008 at 7:00 PM

KOS-Fu – sven10077 on September 14, 2008 at 6:56 PM

Kos-Fu?! The ancient martial art of howling like a banshee and sh!tting yourself when asked a simple question. OMG LOL

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Like it or not, age is not irrelevant to the electorate. Some will vote for McCain or Obama because of this issue and it needs to be dealt with like any other issue- put out the best case and keep moving on. The worst thing McCain’s camp can do is dig their heels in and make some statement about having released medical records and refusing to speak further about the issue of age. It would make it seem as if they were hiding something. Again, it’s not fair but it is a reality of politics that older candidates have to deal with this challenge in the same way that female candidates have to doubly prove they are up to challenges of the office they are campaigning for.

highhopes on September 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM

So what is McCain supposed to do to “deal with” the fact that he’s 72? Promise to invest in time machine research so he can go back in time and become President when he’s younger? Offer to let 20-somethings punch him in the stomach to see if he can take it? Vow to only eat anti-oxidant rich foods?

I actually work with actuaries, so I know ALL about mortality and I ain’t worried about McCain croaking and no rational person should be. Plus, as stated above, we don’t elect individuals (this isn’t a banana republic driven by a cult of personality) as much as we elect regimes. Even if McCain dropped dead as soon as the last poll closed on Election Day, I’d be satisfied that the country was in good hands under a Republican regime, whereas I’d be hiding my wallet and watching the wolves line up at the US’ door if a Democratic regime came into power.

venividivici on September 14, 2008 at 7:01 PM

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 6:58 PM

still unwilling to reply directly to my question? Seems only you have the right to ask.

trailboss on September 14, 2008 at 7:01 PM

I worry about that mole on the side of Obama’s nose. Has he had that checked out?

LOL- my husband asked me about that the other night. I said it’s just a mole babe. It IS a bit of a distraction isn’t it?

jewells45 on September 14, 2008 at 7:01 PM

My chocolate lab wants to know if there’s any of that troll left…. – anniekc on September 14, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Damn. Too late. The golden retriever finished the last of it. Not to fear…plenty more where that came from.

ManlyRash on September 14, 2008 at 7:02 PM

I am starting to prefer other sites where the discussion at least makes some sense most of the time. It wasn’t that way before the last open enrollment.

Thanks Allah!

dhunter on September 14, 2008 at 6:58 PM

Channeling ……

Allah: Don’t forget your toothbrush.

Murphy9 on September 14, 2008 at 7:03 PM

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