Everything new is “old” again
posted at 4:30 pm on September 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Earlier this week, Barack Obama promised that he would sharpen his attacks on John McCain in response to panicking Democrats watching their gimme election vanishing before their eyes. Instead of coming up with something new, Team Obama has decided to go with an old attack — by calling McCain old. Two days ago, they tried it with the blindingly stupid e-mail ad, and today they’ve apparently farmed the theme out to their surrogates:
On This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., a surrogate for the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., raised the age and health of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., when discussing the qualifications, or lack thereof, of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
McCaskill said she stood by her remarks that she’s “uncomfortable with anyone, regardless of gender, that is going to be vice president to one of the oldest presidents we’ve ever had that has never met a world leader.”
When Stephanopoulos asked her it was fair to raise McCain’s age, McCaskill doubled-down and mentioned his past skin cancer, saying, “I think what we’re talking about is a reality. Other people talk about his melanoma. We’re talking about a reality here that we have to face. This is someone who’s going to be one heartbeat away from the presidency. All of us know it. I just think that it’s the facts, George, and that’s something that we need to start focusing on, are the facts, instead of distortions and lies.”
Is age an issue in a presidential candidate? It could be, but McCain is hardly decrepit. His physical disabilities have nothing to do with his age, and his mind is as sharp as ever. In looking at both men, McCain seems to be thriving, while Obama seems to have aged years in the past few months. McCain’s 72 is a lot different than 72 would have been even 24 years ago, when the nation re-elected a 73-year-old Ronald Reagan to a second term.
While it’s not an illegitimate question, it’s not new, either. Voters have known about McCain’s age all through the electoral cycle, and he answered the medical questions in May when he released his medical records — something Obama has yet to do. His prognosis is excellent, and doctors pronounced him in fine shape, which certainly didn’t appear to shock his 96-year-old mother.
This smacks of desperation by Team Obama. They should have learned their lesson when they botched the e-mail ad. It makes them look like they’ve run out of arguments and have to go back to the ones that flopped on their first attempt.









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texette on September 15, 2008 at 1:47 AM
Good luck with that.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 1:51 AM
Yeah, Murph. She’s calling you on it.
Do you have a conservative view on American politics?
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 1:52 AM
And he feels the same for you, that’s all that matters. I hope you have long lives together.
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 1:53 AM
Behind every little problem there’s a larger problem, waiting for the little problem to get out of the way. If you think you are doing the right thing, chances are it will backfire in your face.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Honestly? Not sure. I doubt it would be obiden. I have come to detest so many dems and libs that I don’t trust the party. Obiden is at best a chance to actually make some progress on the one big issue on my plate- healthcare. McCain/Mitt would have too, and I’d much rather vote for that ticket. McCain/Palin is still too new for me. I don’t really get what they are trying to do other than shake things up for the sake of it.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 1:51 AM
Have you met StOlaf? Many people disagree and in a big way but I would be surprised if StOlaf feels compelled to either conform or stop posting. wise_man will mix it up also as will Michael MI but all still post, I don’t know who licked all the red off your lollipop but it is time to get over it.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 1:56 AM
I have many views on American politics. If you dont like them well … I have others.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 1:56 AM
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 1:53 AM
Thanks, I appreciate that, thirty-three years and counting.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 1:57 AM
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Loud Choir sing in background. YAY!! Now was that so hard? We Palin lovers may come after you but you are entitled to have you misgivings.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 1:59 AM
sigh. I am afraid I’d be more than slightly deviant.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 2:00 AM
Murph, Murph, Murph….*shaking my head in sorrow*
You’re reinventing the tempestuous history of the comment section at HA.
I’ve never seen a more rascally crowd. You should have been here during the primaries. It was like putting a group of economists in one room. They can’t agree on anything.
What you’re witnessing today is a movement to win the election. The in-fighting is pretty much over until the election is over.
Thanks to WONDERWOMAN!
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 2:00 AM
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 1:56 AM
Aaah, flexible.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 2:01 AM
Were you married at birth?!?! You don’t seem old enough to be married that long. Anonymous posting is very, very strange.
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 2:01 AM
bless you.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 2:01 AM
Arent those all really the same poster? I think I saw that someplace here somewhere. Dont worry about my lollipop.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:01 AM
How would characterize your views? In a political spectrum kind-of-way?
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 2:02 AM
I think that is what I miss most. Without Mitt and Huckabee to fight over, what does life mean?
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 2:03 AM
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 2:00 AM
You are so much braver than I. I was going to go with spineless but decided flexible would be less hostile.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 2:03 AM
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 2:01 AM
That’s the truth. I’m in my fifties.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 2:05 AM
Trailboss,
As far as health care goes, one gets better care as an indigent through county hospitals NOW than you would get under a nationalized system (size=rationing, proven over and over again). The problem isn’t health care now, everybody has access to that. The problem is health INSURANCE, and there are ways to deal with that short of nationalization of health care provision.
I’ve been pushing Palin since it was clear McCain would win the nomination (about six months). I’ve been following her career for years, in detail. So have a lot of people who work at the grassroots organizing level and fundraising.
For me, she appeals to my libertarian-Republican desire to cut spending and reduce corruption. She’s a leader, and McCain didn’t flinch in picking her for the future. If he does nothing else, he did that.
And then there is the fact that Obama is a sociopath.
texette on September 15, 2008 at 2:05 AM
That’s not true – you have to stop counting at 49
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 2:06 AM
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 2:03 AM
If you are a Huckabee fan (yuck but to each his own) he is going to subbing for Neal Boortz tomorrow.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 2:06 AM
I prefer the word, pliable. Got any beer on you?
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:07 AM
Been off looking at the Lehman/ Merrill Lynch news. Ugly stuff.
2 predictions-
1. This week is going to be a Wall St. nightmare- refineries are still down here in TX (though not in bad shape, thankfully. Mostly a power issue) and the banks are dropping like flies. Expect more closures prior in the next 30-60 days.
2. Forget the fluff that both candidates have been spewing about the economy. This has nothing to do with “8 years of George Bush” and goes beyond McCain’s tax cut solution. Whichever candidate steps up this week and show real leadership in the face of this will win in November. The market will work itself out and the Fed is thankfully staying out of it (mostly). It now a job for a true leader to rebuild confidence and get everyone to put the reality of this all into perspective.
Word has it on the wires that Obama and Biden are planning big blame game/ more of the same speeches tomorrow. McCain needs to counter that with a hard dose of straight talk reality and a tangible plan.
If he can do that, he’ll win. Palin’s also got the domestic and financial chops to address this in a realist context. Time for her to step up and past the RNC speech.
Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 2:07 AM
That describes it very well.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:08 AM
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 2:06 AM
No, that’s okay. It is what it is. And it beats the alternative.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 2:08 AM
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:07 AM
Now that’s funny. Sorry about the beer, never acquired the taste for it.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 2:10 AM
Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 2:07 AM
The solution is simple.
Cut corporate taxes significantly and increase tarrifs on manufactured goods.
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 2:12 AM
Having gone without insurance in different periods in my life, and being type 1 diabetic since 19, and my wife with some health issues I won’t discuss, it’s a big issue. Indigents do get the same initial care, but the follow up is awfully important, and that doesn’t happen so well.
I think the jury is still out on how to best provide coverage for everyone, but I’m open to some experimentation if we can just get to that point politically.
I hear you on Palin, I’ve just not done the same and getting up to speed takes some time.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 2:12 AM
I don’t think Obama is a sociopath, but he is the least experienced presidential candidate in my lifetime and his voting record is to the left of the only declared Socialist in the Senate. To me, each of those qualities are disqualifiers. Together, they are very, very disturbing.
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 2:13 AM
Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 2:07 AM
Shoot! I saw some guy trying to say that this wasn’t going to hurt the average person because it isn’t a bank where individuals do their business. Dutch comfort, it’s a bank where big business do theirs and it sure isn’t going to help the investors. Crazy.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 2:13 AM
Damiano,
Absolutely correct.
texette on September 15, 2008 at 2:14 AM
That describes it very well.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:08 AM
“Many views” describes it very well? Is that what you meant?
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 2:15 AM
Y’all are great, I must tear myself away, goodnight.
Cindy Munford on September 15, 2008 at 2:15 AM
Goodnight & thanks. I too must say goodnight.
Loxodonta on September 15, 2008 at 2:16 AM
Rough ride comin.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 2:17 AM
Yes. It’s not fatal is it?
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:18 AM
Be sure and look under your bed for any of those you know what’s that run around here. Can’t be too safe these days.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:20 AM
Well, I don’t think so. I have “many views” too. So I guess we see eye to eye…lockstep, so to speak.
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 2:21 AM
Loxodonta,
We are going to have to respectfully disagree as to Obama being a sociopath. Fortunately or unfortunately (the jury is still out), much of my adult life has involved dealing with the whole spectrum of sociopathy, with emphasis on the evil scum of the earth part. I have no doubts whatsoever.
texette on September 15, 2008 at 2:21 AM
The big catastrophes are made up of smaller ones.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:22 AM
nite all. thanks for the education.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 2:23 AM
texette on September 15, 2008 at 2:21 AM
I’m going to bed, but I’m hoping to read your post tomorrow illustrating this. Juicy!
Saltysam on September 15, 2008 at 2:23 AM
That makes sense to me. Of course this late at night almost anything would make sense to me.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:24 AM
People’s economic ignorance is astounding.
My pessimist side says that this is going to get really ugly. Businesses are going to hold back on investments; killing jobs, growth, etc. Plus, 401Ks, real estate and the like are going to take a beating for every day folks.
My optimist sides say- Good. The market has been full of fluff for too long and this will, 1. rightsize everything, 2. ultimately has the potential to deal with out of control inflation and market/ retail prices for everything, and 3. immediately puts some much needed liquidity back into the market, minus the bankruptcy from Lehman.
If McCain/ Palin can hit the optimism angle and sell it to the public, we win.
Damiano on September 15, 2008 at 2:25 AM
Saltysam,
Can’t say too much more. Emphasis on CAN’T.
Good Night, All.
texette on September 15, 2008 at 2:26 AM
Good night all. I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, although this wasnt it.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:26 AM
It’s also going to take a lot more duct tape from the fed to even get by tomorrow so dont forget that.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:31 AM
Well before
passing outgoing to bed I just tripped over to a business site and it would appear that both Lehman and Merrill Lynch are going belly up. Lehman filing for bankruptcy and Merrill Lynch doing a forced sale to B of A. Any candidates who try the “optimism angle” better be very good jedi masters or they will be run out of town on a rail.Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 2:48 AM
Now AIG is seeking a $40 billion bridge loan from the Federal Reserve. And of course they want real money with just their funny money as collateral. The fed better have a lot of duct tape or the financial system of the U.S. will collapse. Where the hell was Herbert Bush while all this was building over the last several years? Oh well maybe the fed can print enough money and just cook the books some more and pass most of it down to the grandkids.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 3:20 AM
OK everybody its time to party like its
19991929!Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 3:30 AM
Global Stocks, U.S. Futures, Dollar Tumble on Lehman Bankruptcy
The dollar declined against the yen, while Treasuries and gold rose, as investors sought safer assets.
“It’s mayhem,” said Hans Kunnen, head of investment market research in Sydney at Colonial First State Global Management, which holds about $128 billion of assets.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 3:42 AM
Both. And neither.
soundingboard on September 15, 2008 at 5:30 AM
Barack Obama’s new strategy: Offend the Old Vote.
How could this man possibly lose?
BKennedy on September 15, 2008 at 6:45 AM
That’ll play well. Guess which age demographic votes in the highest numbers?
rightwingprof on September 15, 2008 at 10:45 AM
So if you feel your post was the “right thing” it will backfire in your face?
What are you 9 years old to come up with that bit of advice?
What you are saying that whomever thinks they are doing the right thing, really aren’t…so your solution is not to do the right thing?
I don’t know how to analyze your statement, it is so bizarre of reality…it forces you not to do the “right thing”, weird way of thinking, just weird…
right2bright on September 15, 2008 at 10:51 AM
I could see how Obama would attack old men, none of his “men” stayed around long enough to give him any direction.
Obama, McCain has stuck around his children all of his life…that must be something new and strange to you and your followers, but really, it does happen.
McCain won’t “leave” us, don’t use your life pattern to project how you think others perform.
right2bright on September 15, 2008 at 10:53 AM
First Rule of Holes: When in one, stop digging.
Murphy9 on September 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Second Rule of MB4 Trolling: When the HalJordan sock-puppet name is exposed, move onto Murphy9 name.
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Is Obama coloring his hair grey to look older?
rocinaterider on September 15, 2008 at 1:39 PM
It would really be interesting to know what passes for “conservative” here (apart from a partisan disdain for everything originationg int he democratic party)? As I see it the American Conservative movement is just a timebound liberal philosophy (let’s say the liberalism of the 1950ies) that has refused to continue with the logical devlopment of liberalism and a refusal to acknowledge that the USA was founded on completly liberal principle (as opposed to the more conservative regime of George III and even more so the pre revolutionary French monarchy). Thank you for your replies.
JC Silverberg on September 15, 2008 at 2:07 PM
I would vote age over youth any day. At almost 40, I can’t believe how stupid I was at 20.
Imagine how I will look back from 70 at 40. I will probably be thinking the same thing.
Old people are better suited for jobs like this because wisdom is really needed more so than the energy & arrogance of the young (me included).
They’ve been around long enough to see everything come full circle & learned from it.
Badger40 on September 15, 2008 at 2:26 PM
I think that I will stick with Michael in Michigan. I kind of like sounding like an English professor.
BTW, do you get a nickle toward your HMO payments for every time you say troll?
BTW 2, are you also “wise_man”?
MB4 on September 15, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Even for a lefty troll, you seem rather dim. Herbert Bush is long since retired, and the current President is not the dictator of America who can singlehandedly micro-manage the banks. You people have a lot of odd ideas about how things work.
flenser on September 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM
All right, I’ll reply. Like so many “liberals” (actually leftists) you have an opinion of your own intelligence which is highly exaggerated. You understand neither liberalism, leftism, nor conservatism.
The party which embodies “the logical development of liberalism” in America is (alas!) the Republican Party.
The modern Democratic Party is unabashedly socialist.
Conservatism owes nothing to George III and everything to his opponent, Edmund Burke. Try looking up the name.
The USA was most certainly NOT founded on liberal principle, whether 1800′s style, 1950′s style, or 2008 style. Concentration of power was the great enemy of the Founders. It’s the entire goal of the modern Democratic Party and of the liberal wing of the GOP.
You’re welcome.
flenser on September 15, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Say MB4, did you tell everyone in here that I caught you red-handed last night posting as your sock-puppet HalJordan?
Here it is again.
NOW LET’S COMPARE
BEHOLD! THE SOCK-PUPPET TROLL!
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Conservative versions in parenthesis.
# Republican government? Liberal. Check! (Monarchy)
# Fredoom of religion? Liberal. Check! (One true Church)
# Separation of Church and state? Liberal. Check! (Offical State religion)
# Individualism? Liberal. Check! (Authoritariansim)
# Capitalism? Liberal Check! (Guild system-corporativism)
# Legal egalitarianism = Everyone has equal rights/duties as a citizen. Liberal. Check. (The 4 estates, Nobility, Clergy, Craftsmen and Peasantry)
# Contract or Status dominant? Contract. Liberal. Check! (Status)
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By the way, stop calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you a liberal. I am a conservative. You, however, seem to be a rude rube, a nitwit hillbilly if you so please.
JC Silverberg on September 15, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Your precious constitution is a liberal masonic document -even the notion of constitutionalism itself is liberal.
Long live King George!
JC Silverberg on September 15, 2008 at 3:46 PM
FiveWays, I don’t like trolls any more than you do, but any two (or more) people can quote the same article — it doesn’t prove that they’re the same person. All of the quoted text is by Paul Campos, and I doubt he posts here. ;-)
Mary in LA on September 15, 2008 at 4:00 PM
That’s about the level of intelligence I was expecting from you. Maybe a little worse.
Long live Henri Comte De Saint-Simon!
(Another name for you to look up, in the unlikely event that you possess any desire to learn.)
flenser on September 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM
You’re not a conservative. You just spent several posts smearing conservatism as the beliefs of George III, and assigning what you think are the conservative virtues to liberalism. Do you even read what you write?
Your knowledge of conservatism is on a par with your knowledge of liberalism.
Just how stupid does a person have to be to think that the opposite of individualism is authoritarianism? As stupid as you are, it seems. But since you INSIST that you are a conservative and not a liberal, I suppose I can take it that you believe in, among other things, authoritarianism, offical State religion, guild system-corporativism, and the four estates.
At least, you tell me that these are the things conservatives believe in, and also that you are a conservative.
flenser on September 15, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Nice rationale Mary- I ain’t buying it. Compare the two threads and you’ll see a similar pattern of debate with MB4 and HalJordan.
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM
I don’t smear conservatism – I criticise morons (like yourself) who claim to be conservative but are in reality stuck with liberalism and conventionalism. That is you have no real moral values, just a sense for what is currently accepted and that is why you run with the flow as long as the flow isn’t too fast down the slippery liberal slope. You oppose (yet) gay marraige because it is not comme il faut, but as time is passing you are already becoming more and more acceptive of this practice as it becomes more and more conventional. You already wholehartedly accepts divorce and remarriage and secular legal dominion over the family. No, there are not many conservatives in America – just liberals of different persuasions – from the radicals of the democratic party to the conventualist bourgeoisie of the republican party. One of the very few people who at least approximate conservatism in America is Pat Buchanan.
JC Silverberg on September 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Yes. So what? Nice pointy head you have FW.
trailboss on September 15, 2008 at 5:11 PM
I do, do I? Perhaps you can cite what part of anything I have said leads you to think such a thing.
But before you do that, I’m still waiting for you to explain why you claim to be a conservative at the same time as you define conservatism as (see all the bad things you say about it at 3:43)
Since you claim to be a real conservative (or do you? hard to get an intelligible response) you’ll be happy to hear that I think fairly highly of Pat. I’m not much of a fan of any variant of liberalism, since, as you say yourself, they all tend to lead to the same logical conclusion – a managerial state run for the benefit of the managers.
Of course you all define liberalism as the font of all goodness – another area of incoherence on your part.
flenser on September 15, 2008 at 5:15 PM
What’s it to you?
FiveWays on September 15, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Read my post again. To make it quite simple: The USA was founded on liberalism, however as liberalism became entrenched and the new conventional wisdom some people refused (and refuse) to go further down this inevitable path since they are in love with their own particular brand and age of liberalism. This is not the same as conservatism, other than in the most vulgar sense of that word – no it is simply a distaste for change and to break further taboos. Just like yesterday’s radicals dressed better than today’s “conservatives” in top hat and bonjour. Todays radicals however, are true to the form and method of Americna ideology – they are not in love with the particular trappings of a particular American era now passé. This is why conservatism is always losing ground in America – becuase those who claim to defend it in fact do not but instead defend an outdated (thus more conservative looking) version of liberalism. For example, some poeple idealize the 1950ies and “the Jetsons” of “Flintstones” etc life. Others chose as their reference the Wild West or Gilded Age of Industry-barons and unfettered capitalism.
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So what contemporary politicans can then be upheld as paragons of conservatism? Few indeed since conservatism is at its core incompatible with the modern world but at least three can be mentioned: Dolfuss of Austria, Franco of Spain and Salasar of Portugal. Three leaders can exemplify liberalism Reagan, Pinochet and Thatcher. Yet three more leaders can exemplify that segment of liberalism that is rightfully called radicalism: FDR, Barack Obama and Margaret Sanger (founder of planned parenthood and inspirer of Adolf Hitler’s genocides).
JC Silverberg on September 15, 2008 at 5:41 PM
There are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others. The first is the most excellent, the second is good, and the third is useless.
semloh on September 16, 2008 at 4:12 AM
There are three classes of trolls: blatantly obvious which openly states it’s position by name; another which changes it’s position of attack based on the current topic; a third that changes its positions, changes its attacks, and changes its names. The first is the easiest to detect, the second is more difficult to immediately detect, the third is the most difficult to detect and the most cowardly of all, and its effect is one of slow and constant deflation of morale and obfuscation of purpose, yet never the less, a troll of the lowest order.
FiveWays on September 16, 2008 at 10:25 AM
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