The real Bush Doctrine
posted at 8:00 am on September 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
During his interview/college boards with Sarah Palin, Charles Gibson demanded that Sarah Palin explain the Bush Doctrine. However, according to the man who coined the phrase, Gibson doesn’t know what it means, and ABC apparently didn’t bother doing any research on the topic before posing the question. Charles Krauthammer says Palin came a lot closer to the right answer than Gibson did:
“At times visibly nervous . . . Ms. Palin most visibly stumbled when she was asked by Mr. Gibson if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Ms. Palin did not seem to know what he was talking about. Mr. Gibson, sounding like an impatient teacher, informed her that it meant the right of ‘anticipatory self-defense.’ ”
– New York Times, Sept. 12
Informed her? Rubbish.
The New York Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.
There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.
Most of us would have defined the Bush Doctrine quite differently than even Krauthammer offers here. He goes through four iterations of what he sees as the Bush Doctrine, arriving at the administration’s last definition of their overarching foreign-policy goal of spreading democracy around the world. For most of us, though, the Bush Doctrine remains the policy that any nation that supports or hosts terrorists is a de facto enemy of the United States of America and could face American military action.
America has always had as its foreign policy goal the spread of democracy, but its prioritization has varied widely over various executive administrations. I don’t think that the Bush administration invented it; they just put it at a higher priority in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, seeing democracy as a means to lessen extremism fueled by oppression. Even “anticipatory self-defense”, which Gibson snottily gave as his interpretation, didn’t originate with George W. Bush. We invaded Grenada and Panama without being attacked, for instance, and in both cases forms of anticipatory self-defense were used as justification. The blockade of Cuba during the 1962 missile crisis was clearly a form of anticipatory self-defense, since a blockade is by definition an act of war.
The one point that Bush invented was his definition of terrorist states and the US change in policy towards them. It was a definition borne of necessity, as non-state organizations had become a useful proxy for nations like Iran, Syria, Libya, and other dangerous states that wanted to wreak havoc without having their hands publicly dirtied. The Bush Doctrine removed that fig leaf and made clear that any nation connected with terrorist groups that attacked America or American interests would be considered to have joined in an act of war against the US and subject to immediate and overwhelming attack. In a way, it was a RICO Act for international relations.
That was the justification to invade Afghanistan and to threaten Pakistan with annihilation if they didn’t switch sides. It has been invoked on numerous occasions since, but so far no nation has been dumb enough to allow terrorists to stage attacks on America from their soil.
Rarely has a gotcha boomeranged so badly against the one who wielded it. Instead of having a moment of triumph, Gibson made himself look petty, snobbish, and badly informed. The question revealed a rube, all right, but not the one ABC expected.
Update: The New York Times’ military correspondent, Michael Gordon, concurs — and notes that Gibson either didn’t know enough about the subject to define it in his question or intended it as a “gotcha” all along.










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Character flaw=Gibson & MSM pimps
wepeople on September 13, 2008 at 8:05 AM
Four versions.
You wonder if someone will ask Gibson which version he meant.
And when Gibson will ask Obama these same questions, instead of how Obama’s day is going…..
drjohn on September 13, 2008 at 8:07 AM
I like the Krauthammer Doctrine of setting people like Gibson straight.
backwoods conservative on September 13, 2008 at 8:10 AM
And yet, I imaging the genius Matt Damon will come out with another video on how scared he is of Palin. People see what they want to see, and lib socialist elites will view this as a gaffe for Palin even though it wasn’t.
ErinF on September 13, 2008 at 8:13 AM
I thought the Bush Doctrine was, “Kick ass and ask questions later!” (I mean that in a good way…)
el hombre on September 13, 2008 at 8:13 AM
Well, this looks like yet another gift from the MSM. Thanks to their rabid pursuit of non-stories about Sarah Barracuda, she’s pretty much bullet proof at this point. As long as she stays relatively gaffe free for the next couple of months, she’s home free. The really delicious thing about this is that its the MSM, celebutards, freaking out libs, shreiking ‘feminists’, and the Kos Kids that have burnished her teflon coating. Thanks Lefties… you really have been ‘the gift that keeps on giving’!
Drunken Angry Clown on September 13, 2008 at 8:14 AM
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imagingimagine…(sorry, typo)
ErinF on September 13, 2008 at 8:14 AM
The man was just plain snotty. I had the distinct impression that Palin knew he was messing with her on that question. She actually looked suspicious and annoyed.
He looked like a condescending, patronizing jerk.
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 8:16 AM
During the interview I though Gibson was going to threaten Palin with “double secret probation”.
Krauthhammer got it so right when he concluded:
RobCon on September 13, 2008 at 8:17 AM
I actually think Charlie forgot to take his ex-lax : he looked so uncomfortable that I was going to call a physician up there and ask him/her to do an emergency enema.
Fuquay Steve on September 13, 2008 at 8:18 AM
We are being too hard on Gibson. Think of all the swank Manhattan cocktail parties that he’s at risk of being uninvited to if he actually treats this woman with respect.
RobCon on September 13, 2008 at 8:20 AM
Time and time and time again the Kos Kids have soiled themselves over Mrs. Palin.
Could it be that Krauthammer is warming up to her? None of us have anything to fear from her good will and deep sincerity.
gracie on September 13, 2008 at 8:21 AM
IMO, it is: Kill them before they kill us. Period.
kevinkristy on September 13, 2008 at 8:22 AM
The bottom line is that Gibson is a smug condescending ass that tried o destroy Palin and failed. Furthermore, his definition of the “Bush Doctrine” was inaccurate. Charlie shares at least one of Obama’s characteristics . . . he engages his mouth before he puts his brain in gear.
rplat on September 13, 2008 at 8:22 AM
Much as I would like to agree, I can’t. 6 weeks is a long time, and if the McCain folks think that wrapping up Palin in a protective bubble will work for that long a period, they are wrong. Even the most ardent Palin supporters will want to see more of her, hear her thought.
For heaven’s sake, she hasn’t survived politics this long by being a dunce. We risk the same mistake that the Obama people are making (i.e. avoiding Town Hall-sytle meetings with McCain, etc). Let her be herself. She’s smart and will slowely get the hang of the “gotcha” media (if she hasn’t already…remember, she has a journalism background).
Palin is clearly a formidable asset, but the McCain campaign need to let her be herself…the self that millions of Republicans and independants have seen a glimpse of…and they LIKE!
Waterboy on September 13, 2008 at 8:24 AM
A poster over at Ace’s posted this:
snickelfritz on September 13, 2008 at 8:25 AM
I could see the blatant
contentdiscontent for Sarah’s reponse. Thus pressing her for what he wanted to hear.I sincerely doubt he and other MSM goons will ask Obama the same questions with the same demeanor as we have seen here in this interview.
AlreadyKnownAs on September 13, 2008 at 8:25 AM
I hope all the HA posters who were claiming she did not know what the Bush Doctrine was, but they did, have the class to post a little humble pie today starting with AP.
TheBigOldDog on September 13, 2008 at 8:26 AM
If this had been a boxing match, Gibson would have been disqualified for hitting below the belt. Gibson proved professionalism will not be a part any discussion of the issues.
volsense on September 13, 2008 at 8:28 AM
….and that’s why the McCain camp chose him. They knew the first interview had to be with a “mainstream” (i.e. in Obama’s tank) outfit…and with a few minor hiccups, she passed. Gibson played his role perfectly and came off like they knew he would. Women and independants of both genders saw it very clearly.
Up next, more friendly ground (Fox, etc)
Waterboy on September 13, 2008 at 8:29 AM
Rarely has a gotcha boomeranged so badly against the one who wielded it. Instead of having a moment of triumph, Gibson made himself look petty, snobbish, and badly informed.
Ed Morrissey
Pretty much sums up the entire cast of characters at team Liberal Media. Some come off more angry than Gibson, some come off pure bitter; but they all come off as 100% in the tank for the Democrat.
Vegas should create a new line for betting.
1> Will the Liberal Media start asking Obama about his relationships with some really bad & nasty people?
2> Will the Liberal Media investigate and report on the specifics relating to the work Obama performed in Chicago as a community organizer?
3> Will the Liberal Media investigate and report on the specifics regarding Obama’s relationship and training with the organization ACORN?
4> What year will it be when the so called Main Stream Media no longer exists?
Keemo on September 13, 2008 at 8:30 AM
This will go down in history as the year that the mask has been lifted off the media’s face of objectivity that it is obvious to everyone, not just news junkies.
Thank you, Governor Palin.
CanadianGuy on September 13, 2008 at 8:32 AM
1. They never will (even if he becomes POTUS). Its up to the McCain camp and the 527′s
2. See above
3. See above
4. The Main Stream Media no longer exists now. It is the propoganda arm of the Democratic Party.
Waterboy on September 13, 2008 at 8:33 AM
Yup. When my wife (who is as apolitical as you can get…unlike myself) is visibly angry about the treatment of Palin, then the game is certainly over for the media.
Funny thing, the media’s reaction to the backlash? More of the same….
Talk about an echo chamber.
Waterboy on September 13, 2008 at 8:36 AM
Yes, Sarah Palin didn’t know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson [or the people on HA]. And at least she didn’t pretend to know – while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and “sounding like an impatient teacher,” as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes’ reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage.
TheBigOldDog on September 13, 2008 at 8:36 AM
When Gibson interviewed Palin,in the first interview,
he was basically treating Palin as who and the h#ll do
you think you are!
And,I knew this was going to backfire!
Just listen to the video,as Gibson lowers and raises
his voice with evey question!
This was a hit piece,and I’m glad everyone else is now
seeing how he treated Governor Palin!!
RNC,no more interviews,till after the election!
If Gibson interviewed Obama,he wouldn’t of acted the
way he did,and besides,Gibson would have had a long
list of questions that were off limits!
canopfor on September 13, 2008 at 8:37 AM
Indeed, but this has only been used once(Iraq) and been pretty much abandoned… it gets muddled with “With us or with the terrorists” and the spreading of democracy…
ninjapirate on September 13, 2008 at 8:37 AM
That quote from the NYT is exactly what poeple are p*ssed off about. The addition of snotty remarks like that just reinforces the media’s bias to the average voter. I mean, even if you don’t support Palin, or don’t agree with her, when you read that line you think “This is supposed to be a news report?” It is sad really.
Waterboy on September 13, 2008 at 8:38 AM
Obiviously, Palin was right to ask for clarification. Funny that even Chuckles Gibson got it wrong.
Hey Chuck, you “gotcha’d” yourself…
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 13, 2008 at 8:38 AM
Ding. Ding! DING!! We have a winnah.
The whole tone of Gibson’s interview with Palin has been one of ‘gotcha’ wannabees.
It would be interesting to compare & contrast Gibson’s 2007 playin’ footsies with THE ONE interview against Palin’s interview.
From what I remember, Gibson did everything except get on his knees for THE ONE.
locomotivebreath1901 on September 13, 2008 at 8:39 AM
Why would Sarah even recognize the existence of intellectually dishonest rubes like Gibson? He is obviously a puppet for the radicals that are surfacing as a scary rate. Google: Saul Alinsky. He was Obama’s mentor and a leading radical who wrote the “Rules for Radicals.” One of his most effective weapons is ridicule. It is apparent this is the weapon of choice against Sarah.
volsense on September 13, 2008 at 8:39 AM
Gibson did a lot of damage to his reputation with this interview. I had considered him to be the most impartial of the three network anchors going into this week, but he clearly showed either an inability to properly prep for an interview or a decided interest in trying to sink a Presidential ticket.
BadgerHawk on September 13, 2008 at 8:41 AM
Yeah, but what’s that got to do with the Fence?
/sarc or maybe not
JimK on September 13, 2008 at 8:41 AM
way OT, but please keep Houston and Galveston in your thoughts today. I just spoke to family in Houston via cell phones and the wind is still blowing like hell. Lots of downed trees, extensive wind damage and major flooding all over the region. Worse than Katrina. Just please say some prayers.
Thanks.
pullingmyhairout on September 13, 2008 at 8:42 AM
MEMO: The Liberals are at War with the Republicans,
and Gibson is a loyal Democrat soldier,politi
cally speaking!
canopfor on September 13, 2008 at 8:46 AM
He IS a condescending, patronizing jerk.
AubieJon on September 13, 2008 at 8:47 AM
I’m still betting both camps will focus more on seeing how this week shakes out in the polls. Too many things, including the 9/11 anniversary, occurred which might impact the situation.
Tommygun on September 13, 2008 at 8:48 AM
When Sarah-Cuda said she thought The O was regretting not choosing Hillary, did anyone notice Gibson swallowing his bottom lip? Such a dipstick.
AubieJon on September 13, 2008 at 8:52 AM
Sarah Palin did. “In what context, Charlie?”
peacenprosperity on September 13, 2008 at 8:56 AM
From powerline…
Sarah Palin may not be ready to be president,
in my opinion she isn’t, but on the evidence of tonight’s ABC interview she’s ready to go head-to-head with Charles Gibson. Palin handled the portion of the interviewed that aired tonight well enough that the only glove laid on her occurred during a hit-piece ABC aired before the interview.
The hit-piece was a compendium of various meaningless or trivial anti-Palin talking points — she attended four colleges, she received reimbursement from the state for her expenses, etc.
Has ABC done this sort of thing to Obama and Biden? For example, has it reported that around the time Palin was attending her various colleges Biden was engaging in plagiarism? Has ABC reported that Biden was near the bottom of his class at Syracuse law school but pretended otherwise? Not to my knowledge.
I might add, the MSM has treated Obama as the messiah, while kissing his ass and bowing at his knees on every occasion. How sickening was that Chris Matthews soundbite “Obama gives me a chill running up my leg”… Only a sissy Liberal girly-man would think something like that, and only an absolute fool would let those words slip out of the mouth.
Keemo on September 13, 2008 at 8:58 AM
I was busy and didn’t see the whole interview…
I can’t find it..anybody have a link?
jerrytbg on September 13, 2008 at 8:58 AM
Wow, for such a dumbchimp president, his namesake doctrine is rather complicated and vast, yes?
History will love George W. Bush just as much as his Texas does.
carbon_footprint on September 13, 2008 at 8:59 AM
FUNNY, this never came up when Charles was asking Barry Hussein about how he met his wife and whether it was love at first sight….
Must have missed that part or maybe it came after asking BH about his terrorist ties, or ties to a radical preacher he never rejected, or maybe after the funny biz loan he got from a now convicted financier……well we just have to settle for “your Dad was a striking man…..” UGH!
SDarchitect on September 13, 2008 at 9:02 AM
I hear-by coin the term: Gibsonarrogantly asking someone a question that you do not know the answer to yourself. As in: The professor obviously threw a Gibson out for the class.
carbon_footprint on September 13, 2008 at 9:02 AM
Don’t Gibson me bro!
carbon_footprint on September 13, 2008 at 9:03 AM
That 20/20 set-up piece before the Gibsh$t interview sent me into orbit. These scum actually showed Sarah repeat one of her canned convention lines over and over again and then once again, had to make a point to show and mention Bristol’s pregnancy.
These people are at war with us.
John Doe on September 13, 2008 at 9:06 AM
With all due respect, it only “boomeranged” in the eyes right-of-center bloggers, journalists and those of us who read them. The majority of voters – on the left and independent – will either ignore or never see the follow-ups. If they heard of the exchange between Gibson and Palin at all, they’ll only have caught and retained the original sound bites.
flipflop on September 13, 2008 at 9:08 AM
Out-takes.
soundingboard on September 13, 2008 at 9:09 AM
The whole point is that Charles Gibson like others in the MSM are laying, what they would call “Bear Traps” up in Alaska, for Sarah Palin. They don’t get this isn’t her first Polar Bear Hunt. GRIN. Sarah Palin knows, they are looking for the sound byte for ratings with their name attached to the sound byte that they think will embarrass the McCain/Palin ticket. There is a name for theses so called Journalist but I won’t use it because it would be insulting, to the “folks” who practice the oldest profession in the world.
Dr Evil on September 13, 2008 at 9:11 AM
carbon_footprint on September 13, 2008 at 8:59 AM
Agreed.
Something to keep in mind concerning media interviews versus meeting with heads of state: Interviewers have all the advantages. Even in a debate, whomever is asking the questions is on the offense and controlling the ring (couldn’t help the boxing analogy) leaving the other party to react.
Charlie or Bill O. or Tom B. will always appear to have the upper hand at first glance because that is the nature of the forum, but when one ruminates on the actual questions and answers the true sense of what transpired comes to light.
Meeting with a head of state is not an interview, it is essentially an even playing field where those with real negotiating skill and economic or military leverage (both?) come out gaining ground.
In other words, Putin will never interview Palin for a job, but he may have to sit across the negotiating table from the Barracuda with the economic and military weight of the Red White and Blue behind her. Big difference.
pugwriter on September 13, 2008 at 9:19 AM
Krauthammer didn’t care for Palin being tapped as McCain’s VP. It sure is good to see him come to here defense in this thing.
Sumrica on September 13, 2008 at 9:21 AM
Gibson reads a teleprompter for a living and simply wants to be a hero for his lib media friends. The schmuck doesn’t know enough about the many aspects of “The Bush Doctrin” to even ask that question. Moron.
marklmail on September 13, 2008 at 9:24 AM
I wish people would stop referring to Palin as being “tapped by McCain.” Greta does it almost incessantly. It’s a bad Bill Maher joke waiting to happen
pugwriter on September 13, 2008 at 9:25 AM
Perhaps he read the letter I sent him.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 9:28 AM
I think the criticism of Charlie Gibson is unfair. All he did was ask a very simple question, “Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?”
If that is enough to lead to calls for an inquisition of him by our side, then frankly I would vote against our side.
What is the Bush Doctrine, exactly? I believe that important question is long overdue for a debate in this country.
Thank you to Charlie Gibson for his solid journalistic work in the Palin interview.
BTW, I believe Palin scored an A- in the interview. The only point she didn’t do exceptionally well on was the Bush Doctrine question. Yet, it is debateable what “the Bush Doctrine” is, so people are going to give her a break.
indythinker on September 13, 2008 at 9:29 AM
Can I grumble for just a moment about statements like “70 percent of this country supports a ban on semiautomatic assault weapons” and -I have to paraphrase here, because ABC didn’t leave it in the transcript that I found – “We don’t know about adult stem cells, scientists say embryonic stem cells are where we have to look for treatments.”
I’d like to know where the first stat came from – you can’t get a full 70% of the country to go inside when it rains. As to the second statement, that burns me up. Adult stem cells have to date produced the only effective treatments, embryonic stem cells are too unstable. It’s like the way he tried to corner her on global warming – she shouldn’t be held responsible for not adhering to “facts” that aren’t true.
Quisp on September 13, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Of course, I am aware of the street meaning of “tapped.” That said, I find it disagreeable that more and more regular words are gaining new, sexualized meanings. We should resist this trend and largely ignore “street talk.” Good for Greta in trying to prevent the destruction of the honest, trusty, and innocent English word, “tap.” Now I think I will tap my feet a little .
indythinker on September 13, 2008 at 9:32 AM
These people are at war with us.
John Doe on September 13, 2008 at 9:06 AM
That’s a fact! These people have been at war with us for decades now, we are just now recognizing it. Very similar to our denial that Islam radicals were at war with us for the past several decades, despite the bombings and killings that came our way on numerous occasions around the globe.
The enemy within is a reality we all must face up to; denial of this reality is exactly what they count on. The enemy has exposed itself to us so many times over the past (7) years, we deserve what lies ahead if we choose to remain in a state of denial. Remember when the NYT exposed a “top secret” program our government had in place to track terrorist funding, and how damaging that was to America and our allies taking part in the program? Remember when Sandy Berger was busted red handed stealing classified documents, a crime that would have you or me locked up for the remainder of our lives, but yet this man walks free? Why is CNN still broadcasting after getting busted red handed working with Saddam and lying to the world back in the late 80′s and early 90′s? Why is Dingy Reid still an American politician when he declared the war lost while our soldiers were fighting (and winning) on foreign soil, knowing that if America abandoned Iraq at that time, millions of Iraqi citizens would have been slaughtered, and America would lose any future support of our allies who would have watched us run away and allow the slaughter to take place as it did in Vietnam?
Keemo on September 13, 2008 at 9:32 AM
indythinker on September 13, 2008 at 9:32 AM
Excellent point.
pugwriter on September 13, 2008 at 9:35 AM
Palin should have said “Now, Charlie, you’re trying to tie me to president Bush. Isn’t that Obama’s job? Oh yeah, I forgot, you work for Obama.
Kafir on September 13, 2008 at 9:37 AM
Mayor Palin, in the ABC newsroom, we have an expression: we say a news report is a real “kneecapper.” Your response?
In what respect, Charlie?
You don’t know what “a real kneecapper” means? It’s used at every cocktail party, in every awards dinner in Washington D.C. You know nothing about our world, do you Mayor Palin?
jeff_from_mpls on September 13, 2008 at 9:37 AM
It is justice that Gibson is exposed is an intellectually-inbred jerk with less knowledge than a woman he despises.
Thanks for posting this excellent list, comparing the questions Gibson asked Obama with the ones he asked Palin.
More summaries on the answers would be amusing, too. Obama ran on at the mouth answering puffball questions, and Palin knocked beanballs intended to hurt her out of the park.
Palin is actually looking even more impressive, avoiding all the traps, giving straight and non-extremist asnswers to all of them.
The follow ups and corrections of the Palin interview need to be made more available to the general public, perhaps in a McCain campaign web site. Highlights could go into a web video commercial – like a comparison of questions or the multiple Bush doctrines that Palin detected and Gibson did not understand.
Right_of_Attila on September 13, 2008 at 9:38 AM
Exactly. Or, as I like to call it, The Jesus Dictrine:
Matthew 12:30
“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
eea on September 13, 2008 at 9:38 AM
DictrineDoctrineeea on September 13, 2008 at 9:39 AM
It disturbed me too. A jaw-dropper. Krauthammer is high on my short list of favorites. Britt’s show is always less when he’s not on the panel.
Sumrica on September 13, 2008 at 9:53 AM
I suspect that, when he comes around to it, Dr. Krauthammer will be one of her most enthusiastic supporters.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Charlie Gibson went to Princeton, Obambi went to Columbia and Harvard. May be it’s simply that those Ivy Leaguers are intellectually smarter than us State Univeristy grads…NOT!
:)
poxoma on September 13, 2008 at 9:59 AM
A preview of the Palin/Biden Debate.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 10:00 AM
I guess knowledge of the subject matter isn’t a prerequisite for being the anchor of the ABC News.
I think this story deserves a Buzz.
eyedoc on September 13, 2008 at 10:03 AM
indythinker:
I am not being unfair with Gibson, the guy was an idiot. The problem was not that he asked the question, the problem was his attitude, his tone of voice, and his refusal to just clarify the question the way Palin asked him to. Instead he came off like an ass.
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 10:04 AM
MR,
That’s funny… Accurate & funny at the same time!
Keemo on September 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM
flipflop:
I think it boomeranged beyond the right wing blogs for the simple reason that Gibson himself was obviously being a jerk. That was impossible to miss.
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Go here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2081359/posts to see all the questions Gibson asked in his interviews with Obama and Palin, and form your own opinion. As a taste, the two lead questions were these:
1. To Obama: “GIBSON: Senator, I’m curious about your feelings last night. It was an historic moment. Has it sunk in yet?”
2. To Palin: “Governor, let me start by asking you a question that I asked John McCain about you, and it is really the central question. Can you look the country in the eye and say ‘I have the experience and I have the ability to be not just vice president, but perhaps president of the United States of America?’”
Many have said Gibson’s “Bush Doctrine” question was ambiguous. It was. What nobody I have yet seen has noted, however, is that Palin instantaneously did what you are supposed to do in those circumstances. She used a perception check, or, in other words, she asked him to step down the abstraction ladder (from general to specific) and clarify what he meant by “Bush Doctrine.” Initially, of course, he did not — which quite naturally led to hesitation on her part.
So was it, intentionally or not, a “Gotcha” question? I’d say “Yes.” It could initially been asked “What do you think about the Bush Doctrine of launching preemptive strikes against perceived imminent threats?” Or, it could have been immediatedly been amplified when Palin asked for clarification. It was not. And I would say the apparent reason why it was not was to try to leave Palin dangling in the wind.
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on September 13, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Actually, what they’ll remember is the tone and tenor of the interview. In that respect, Gibson took a beating.
TheBigOldDog on September 13, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Exactly Terrye… Jerk, Elitist, Smug, Pompous… One can pick from any of these, however the fact that Gibson (or any others) have failed to ask Obama any of the tough questions that Bill O’Reilly asked of him, is the most telling of all. Only a member of Fox News had the integrity and the professionalism to ask Obama any of the questions that Americans (with the exception of Liberals) desire answers to.
Keemo on September 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM
The unfortunate and outrageous truth, is that if you ask any liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist what happened in the interview, none of them will respond that;
1) Gibson misquoted Palin about her words at the church.
2) Gibson got it wrong on the Bush Doctrine.
3) Obama and Biden are also for the former Soviet bloc nations joining NATO.
4) Palin was correct in that the whole CONCEPT of NATO is that if any one member is attacked, the other nations are obligated to come to their assistance.
THAT is the real tragedy of the interview. People here are aware of the outrageous behavior of Charlie Gibson. The people who are voting Democrat don’t see it the same way. Never will.
Star20 on September 13, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Humble pie for what? For the fact that she obviously didn’t have the faintest idea of what Gibson was talking about?
Let’s get something straight. There’s a world of difference between “not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is” in the sense of disagreeing on which component of it is the central principle and not knowing what it is in the sense of never having heard of it. Gibson gave an incomplete definition; she offered no definition whatsoever. And even worse, Krauthammer’s dishonest about the actual exchange between them. After she said, “In what respect, Charlie?”, he said something like, “Well, how do you define it?” THAT was her cue to say something like, “Oh, well, there are four or five planks to it.” Or to at least offer one of those planks. Instead she said, “His worldview?” Quite clearly, she doesn’t know that there’s anthing called the Bush Doctrine; she thought Gibson was asking about Bush’s doctrines generally. That’s what she meant when she said “In what respect, Charlie?” I.e, which one of Bush’s many doctrines do you mean?
So I guess now I’m going to have to write a post plunging back into this embarrassment for our side, simply because can’t honestly say, “Yeah, she’d never heard of it, but it’s not a huge deal.” Fine.
Allahpundit on September 13, 2008 at 10:22 AM
I thought the Bush Doctrine was:
1) roll-over and play dead when the media/demonrat party undermine this country’s war effort.
2) Roll-over and play dead when the media/demonrat party accuse you of lying to get us into war and being complicit in 9-11.
3)Roll-over and play dead when out-of-control prosecutors go after loyal administrative officials like Scooter Libby while using left-wing nutsjobs like Joe Wilson.
4)Roll-over play dead when the media/democrat party claim this is the worst economy since Hoover.
John Doe on September 13, 2008 at 10:22 AM
All Gibson did was take every smear that came out since she was announced, rephrased it into a closed ended (yes/ no) question and then pound her with smears like a belligerent, arrogant moron.
Wherever she tried to answer a stupid question in a reasonable way or explain anything, they edited her out and went back to Gibson repeating the same stupidity.
I have never seen a two day interview that failed to offer any insight into a person before.
Gibson is clearly not qualified to be a paperboy, much less a network anchor.
Damiano on September 13, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Precisely what I thought, though my thought was in hindsight.
Or I can verbally abuse the numbnut who wrote that post. Your call, Allah.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Not sure what you mean here. Am I the numbnuts in this scenario? See where that verbal abuse gets you, champ.
Allahpundit on September 13, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Just what the MSM needs, another snotty, existentialist reporter with no clue what he is talking about.
Hening on September 13, 2008 at 10:54 AM
You are not the numbnuts, the other guy is for making a fatuous snark. What I meant was that I can save you the keystrokes involved in addressing the issue raised by the guy to whom you responded. Apologies for the clumsy wording.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM
My first response to the question about the “Bush Doctrine” was “Hun?”
Up to now, I think I’ve only heard the term as part of an attack on Bush–a nebulous sort of thing used as an alternative to the “Bush Administration” or “Bush Presidency.”
Its one of those things where we have been kind of trained to think it has a meaning, but it doesn’t.
Think “do you agree with the Smurf smurf?”
Count to 10 on September 13, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Ah, I apologize in turn, then, for jumping to conclusions. Thanks for the assist.
Allahpundit on September 13, 2008 at 10:58 AM
I am worried. If they are pulling these stunts now what are they going to do if Obama loses?
promachus on September 13, 2008 at 11:05 AM
No sweat, Allah. I’m here to help the cause. Just shout if you need a troll hammer…it’s what I live for.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 11:12 AM
AllahPundit doctrine: after giving them a couple of chances, ban trolls and then not give it a second thought.
Paul-Cincy on September 13, 2008 at 11:12 AM
With all due respect (and I mean that), Gibson so egregiously misquoting Gov. Palin on her comments about praying for our troops isn’t “solid journalistic work”. Its either incompetence (his or his teams’), or outright dishonesty.
Has Gibson publicly admitted his error? If not, I’ll guarantee you that’s outright dishonesty.
tgharris on September 13, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Above is Allah’s original post from the:
Video: Palin on the Bush Doctrine, 9/11, and Pakistan posted at 8:27 pm on September 11, 2008 by Allahpundit post.
Below was my comment in regard to Allah’s statement which he probably never saw because of the large number of comments to that thread:
So why did I bother to post this…. just to show that I’m not one of those that has to eat humble pie, hate the stuff and I’ve already eaten plenty from time to time and it s not very tasty. But not this time.
Allah got it wrong, a simple acknowledgment to that effect would be nice. But I don’t think its in his nature to admit it even though everybody gets it wrong sometimes. That’s OK, we love ya anyway Allah. Who would we have to beat up on if you weren’t here?
Maxx on September 13, 2008 at 11:18 AM
There is method in his madness: trolls give us much needed batting practice and therefore provide stress relief.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Whether or not she was familiar with the term “Bush Doctrine” is inconsequential to me. She agrees that we should be should defend ourselves, pre-emptively if the evidence warrants. That’s all I need to know.
My guess is she doesn’t spend all her spare time (?!) trolling around on political message boards in order to keep up with the vernacular. That’s a plus in my book.
pugwriter on September 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM
They’re not listening to Biden because he’s “already vetted”. The side effect is the focus on Palin is sucking all the oxygen out of the room. What is forgotten is Palin and Biden are running for the same job and so should be given equal treatment. Poor Biden. Now I don’t think he’ll ever be considered on an equal footing with Palin. The MSM has set the table nicely for the Repubs.
Paul-Cincy on September 13, 2008 at 11:32 AM
I do a lot of reading about things political and of current events and I consider myself relatively informed. I don’t think I could have answered that question – because Bush himself never said “Here is MY doctrine and here are the bullet point statements which explain it.”
HawaiiLwyr on September 13, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Exactly, Bush himself would have had to ask what part Gibson was talking about. It was intended as a gotcha, it was kind of like asking the question:
Do you agree with the Encyclopedia Britannica?
Maxx on September 13, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Who here knew what the Bush Doctrine was before the other day? Enough to answer “do you agree with it”? I didn’t, and I keep up on this stuff pretty well.
LibTired on September 13, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I thought the Bush doctrine was,
Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. /s
abinitioadinfinitum on September 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Still marveling at the Clinton Doctrine: As long as everybody’s telling the same story, there won’t be any problems.
whitetop on September 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM
AP doesn’t need your help. He’s completely capable of defending himself and you don’t get any points or special recognition for acting like a suck up. If you have an issue with something I write then by all means challenge me but don’t try to kiss AP’s ass in the process. It’s unbecoming especially coming from somebody I agree with (you) much of the time. It makes me question if I’m on the right side and if what you write is meant simply to ingratiate yourself with AP.
Fact is, nobody really knows what the Bush Doctrine is starting with Charlie Gibson and ending with Allah Pundit. Yet, that didn’t stop people here from acting as if they did and that it’s so obvious she should have. That’s just pure bullshit. She at least had the balls to admit she wasn’t clear on what he was asking unlike people here starting with AP. The question was designed to be a gotcha. If he wanted to know what she though about preemption, he wouls have asked that. If he wanted to know here thoughts on treating states that harbor terrorist like terrorist, he would have asked that. Instead, he asked about a “doctrine” he himself didn’t understand and precious few do. That was the story, not “Palin’s a moron for not knowing something we all know” which was AP’s approach to the story.
Further, AP was ready to dump all over until what? Until Politico said she did well. Once the Left said that he backed off. Am I right? You know I am.
The embarrassment was the gotcha nature of the question and the arrogant assertion by some that they understood what Gibson was talking about even though he himself did not. The embarrassment is making the case that the Bush doctrine is well know and well understood even though that’s far from the truth. As I noted in that thread, Hume and Williams weren’t even sure what it was and had to hash it out on the air to come to any sort of general agreement. That was the story, but it’s in your nature to give the Left every benefit of the doubt and the Right, little.
TheBigOldDog on September 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Thanks to their rabid pursuit of non-stories about Sarah Barracuda, she’s pretty much bullet proof at this point. As long as she stays relatively gaffe free for the next couple of months, she’s home free
Much as I would like to agree, I can’t. 6 weeks is a long time, and if the McCain folks think that wrapping up Palin in a protective bubble will work for that long a period, they are wrong. Even the most ardent Palin supporters will want to see more of her, hear her thought.
Hence the relatively gaffe free portion of my comment. I honestly don’t think that McCain ever wanted to keep her in a protective bubble or ‘cone of silence’ if you will. That would make no sense. She is a most potent weapon by being out there. By limiting initial access it only drives ‘the need to know factor, hence continued domination of the news cycle anytime she speaks or is interviewed. Don’t want to oversaturate, just keep the press begging for access. The Charlie Gibson interviews were strictly pass/fail and she passed. It would have had less impact if it had been on friendly turf for the first big interview. Prep her, brief her, and then toss her into the deep end of the pool – sink or swim. And much to the consternation of the MSM she did not drown. The more they look like they are trying to slap her down, the more immune to it she becomes as long as she doesn’t crack or gaffe. I think that either is fairly unlikely at this point.
Drunken Angry Clown on September 13, 2008 at 1:48 PM
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