Battlegrounds: Florida, Pennsylvania breaking for McCain?
posted at 5:34 pm on September 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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As if the Barack Obama needed any more bad news, the St. Petersburg Times and Zogby both deliver cause for pessimism at Team O. Florida polling shows that despite spending millions in advertising in the Sunshine State and a delay in advertising for McCain, Obama is in worse position that John Kerry at the same time in 2004. Zogby has new polling that shows Obama now trails in Pennsylvania, a must-hold state for the Democrats.
First, the Florida breakdown:
Barack Obama could be on the verge of falling out of contention in Florida.
Despite spending an estimated $8-million on campaign ads in America’s biggest battleground state and putting in place the largest Democratic campaign organization ever in Florida, Obama has lost ground over the summer. Florida has moved from a toss-up state to one that clearly leans toward John McCain, fueling speculation about how much longer the Democratic nominee will continue investing so heavily in the state. …
He is farther behind in the state than John Kerry was at this point in 2004, even though McCain began buying Florida TV ads only last week. By this time in 2004, the Bush-Cheney campaign had spent $13-million on Florida TV. In the rolling average of Florida polls compiled by the Web site RealClearPolitics.com, Obama has never taken the lead over McCain in Florida, and the latest average shows him behind by 5 percentage points. They were tied in early August.
Four Florida polls came out this week, with one showing a tied race, the others showing McCain leading by 5 to 8 percentage points.
And Pennsylvania? According to Zogby, Obama is down by five:
Updated: 9/13/2008
Summary:
McCain – 49.1%
Obama – 44.3%
Not Sure/Other – 6.6%“This is a classic case of polling as a snapshot in time. We’re turning Pennsylvania purple today, as McCain takes a small edge. But as in Ohio, we are watching this closely and things could change in this classically blue state.”
And in Ohio, Zogby now puts McCain ahead of Obama by six, a substantial enough margin to move the state from purple to red. Zogby, of course, is one of the more volatile pollsters, so any results here should be taken with a grain of salt. However, if McCain takes Pennsylvania and holds Ohio and Florida, it will be difficult for Obama to prevail in a national election.
Obama could hope to capture Virginia, which has eight less Electoral College votes than PA. However, Zogby also shows McCain up by over six points there in its latest polling of likely voters. He may do better in North Carolina than in Virginia, with two more EC votes, as Zogby has Obama slightly ahead by less than the margin of error. McCain has moved out to a similar lead in Colorado now, and has taken a seven point lead in New Hampshire and Nevada.
Momentum appears to have definitely shifted towards McCain. Expect the Obama campaign to focus like a laser on these battleground states and end any remaining pretense at a national effort.
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Remember, tonight the bios for Sarah Palin and Joe Biden are on CNN starting at 9.
Let’s see if they’re ‘fair and balanced,’ or if one of them is a hit job.
Enoxo on September 13, 2008 at 8:22 PM
I’ve been telling people for a week now, after the VP and first two Presidential Debates the gap will widen to a point where McCain wins 43 states come November.
smfoushee on September 13, 2008 at 8:25 PM
As I’ve posted before, I can’t seem to shake the really bad feeling I have about this. When I mentioned it here last, Romeo and others almost persuaded me that state filing deadlines made it a unlikely. But then Rush said he thought Hillary ending up as VP was on the table when Obama and Clinton met over lunch last week, and Hannity said much the same later that day.
Sure, it would make Obama look weak to swap Biden for Hillary. But that level of weak could be seen as an upgrade to the level of weak he has with Biden.
In any event, this much for sure: I hope Team McCain is making contingency plans.
petefrt on September 13, 2008 at 8:25 PM
True, it has been getting more liberal, but the rally last Wed. was a huge success, so it could be better this election. I can’t give you any info. about Davis.
4shoes on September 13, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Enoxo on September 13, 2008 at 8:22 PM
You’re kidding, right? You honestly expect CNN to be fair after one of thier reporters referred to the Dems as “we”? Please.
jdawg on September 13, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Can anyone explain to me why Iowa is so Blue? Shouldn’t they epitomize the “rural, bitter clingers”?
Nosferightu on September 13, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Whose will they do first, Palin? I might watch that one just to see how bad it is. (Haven’t tried in a long time, but I think my satellite package includes CNN.)
petefrt on September 13, 2008 at 8:30 PM
petefrt on September 13, 2008 at 8:25 PM
It would be a huge mistake for Obama to switch VP candidates so late in the game, for several reasons. If he did it, it would forever seal his reputation as a flip-flopper who can’t make a decision and stick with it. I think Team McCain probably has all kinds of things ready just in case this happens.
jdawg on September 13, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Anybody but me hearing any chatter about Biden getting dumped for Hillary? Supposedly it’s really being considered.
Scott P on September 13, 2008 at 7:22 PM
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I see posts from n00bs on various boards asking about it…..
Present company excepted, of course.
Never happen. Pretty sure Barry doesn’t have enough ca$h to pay off her campaign debt and keep his staff paid.
Oh, and since he seems to need to out-spend the competition by a heavy ratio (compare Florida spend between him and McCain, forex) to keep even, yeah – I don’t think Barry can afford Hillary.
Hillary can’t afford Barry, for reasons that should be obvious – she can’t afford to be both Mrs. Clinton and the lower half of Obama/Clinton in 2012 when she runs again.
Mew
acat on September 13, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Sure, it would make Obama look weak to swap Biden for Hillary. But that level of weak could be seen as an upgrade to the level of weak he has with Biden.
In any event, this much for sure: I hope Team McCain is making contingency plans.
petefrt on September 13, 2008 at 8:25 PM
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I’m absolutely sure Team McCain has the scripts for several dozen anti-Hillary ads they wrote back when she and Obama were still contending. Most of ‘em should just need a few little tweaks and some polish.
Think what that’d do to the Veep debate.
Cat fight!
Mew
acat on September 13, 2008 at 8:34 PM
I had heard that the MIA Mrs. Obama forbid a Hillary on the ticket.
red131 on September 13, 2008 at 8:38 PM
She’s not MIA. She was here this week in Indy. And yeah, they hate each other.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 13, 2008 at 8:39 PM
*raising my glass of scotch*
Here’s to hatred. Skoal.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 8:42 PM
McCain should launch his SECRET WEAPON in PA — Todd Palin.
Todd speaking to HIS FELLOW MEMBERS IN THE STEELWORKERS UNION could sink Obama’s chances totally. Obama is vulnerable because of his “clinging” wisecrack, and Todd is just the guy to make him pay.
If PA goes down, the election is OVER for “the one.”
Pythagoras on September 13, 2008 at 8:45 PM
If Obama replaced Biden with Hillary, he would look weak and desperate. Arguably the public is starting to see him as that anyway, but it would cement the image.
On the other hand, choosing Biden made him look weak AND completely invalidated his whole change mantra.
So, I think if Obama was a gutsy politco, he might do it…but I don’t think he is.
Hillary doesn’t seem to have much reason to agree though. If Obama goes down in flames, it gives her a strong position for the 2012 election.
18-1 on September 13, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Pythagoras, you magnificent bastard!
lorien1973 on September 13, 2008 at 8:52 PM
He can’t do it. It guarantees 2 months of Rudy’s convention speech.
And it totally destroys his “judgement to lead” line as well.
lorien1973 on September 13, 2008 at 8:53 PM
with obbie down, down, down,
I expect something big and weird to happen shortly.
the dem strategists must be going out of their freaky, freakin’ minds…
jimmer on September 13, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Yes ! Take out Pittsburgh and Johnstown in one fell swoop.
Hey, John Murtha, have a big scoop of Todd Palin!
petefrt on September 13, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Has there ever been a Vice Presidential candidate who has made this much of a difference? There are other things you can attribute to this surge in the polls, but Palin is the main reason.
V15J on September 13, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Pythagoras, Make It So.
But what else do we even know about Todd? When asked about party affiliation, all I’ve heard is “not Republican.” Is he more of (my hunch) a libertarian, Ted Nugent type? Or a “Reagan Democrat” pro-union but social con?
Is it even possible for a union guy to overtly support a Republican without getting in an awful, tragic “accident?”
innominatus on September 13, 2008 at 9:07 PM
petefrt on September 13, 2008 at 9:01 PM
sarah Palin was also a member of the union I think. The NYT hit piece today is full on panic mode by the NYT. they threw every gossip, dirty hateful thing they could had her,, will have to see if it does damage.
unseen on September 13, 2008 at 9:09 PM
L-a-n-d-s-l-i-d-e
Hening on September 13, 2008 at 9:09 PM
No.
Spirit of 1776 on September 13, 2008 at 9:10 PM
innominatus on September 13, 2008 at 9:07 PM
He was a member of the AIP. Not sure if he still is. but libertian is closer to AIP than anything else.
unseen on September 13, 2008 at 9:10 PM
I don’t watch CNN. Someone tell me what is going on there.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 9:13 PM
A previous poster writes: “The NYT hit piece today is full on panic mode by the NYT. They threw every gossip, dirty hateful thing they could had her (Palin). Will have to see if it does damage.”
That assumes anybody reads the ragsheet anymore.
alwyr on September 13, 2008 at 9:17 PM
They’re just giving her political history and some family backround, it’s actually pretty good.
4shoes on September 13, 2008 at 9:22 PM
It amazes me they do that. There are alternatives they could take. I’d say more, but won’t for fear of giving them ideas.
Tommygun on September 13, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Is there supposed to be a debate?
There is a bio running…
Hening on September 13, 2008 at 9:23 PM
alwyr on September 13, 2008 at 9:17 PM
True but the MSM reads it and will pick up the thread of the story. since all their other smears got shot down. Consider this article smear 2.0 . the plan is to paint her as a Bush/Chenney clone (secreitive meetings, personal grudges/incompentant/nepotism//personal ambition ahead of governence. The article is really a beauty in subtle propagranda. It took me twice to get the message. The first time I thought it was simply another hit piece but underlying the entire story is Palin =Bush/chenney
All of the story can not be independently checked, its their word (interviews vs Palin’s and her friends) No facts to be checked except maybe the nepotism charge. the rest is always a groups is this and then interviews one person from the group which I would lay money is a political or personal enemy of Palin’s
From a angry mayor, to an angry enviromentalist. etc. I hav eto say it is a step up in hit pieces. No why I hate Palin here just subtle knife twisting.
unseen on September 13, 2008 at 9:24 PM
What a switch, when CNN is consider one of the fairer outlets. I remember when we called them the “Clinton New…” Oooooh. Now I get it.
Even so, seriously, maybe it’ll sorta-kinda keep up.
Tommygun on September 13, 2008 at 9:25 PM
This Palen bio on CNN is a hit piece,
Hening on September 13, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Word from our friends in da Burgh is they are not in lock step with the Dems anyway. Lots of union guys like their guns, and don’t trust Obama to change anything. Sure it is just some of our friends, but they do vote and represent others.
InTheBellyoftheBeast on September 13, 2008 at 9:29 PM
This Palen bio on CNN is a hit piece,
Hening on September 13, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Is it just a hit piece or a full on panic hit piece…would like to know how close to breakdown they are getting.
unseen on September 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM
So the CNN piece is more of the same old, same old – yes?
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Obama is not my “guy”, Juan McVain is my enemigo, however. Don’t confundir the dos conceptos.
MB4 on September 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Dr. Rash, before the first break, it was fair and balanced, maybe to suggest as much for the rest of the show. But after the first break, so far it’s been a hit job. After the first break, CNN makes no pretense about it. It’s a hit job.
petefrt on September 13, 2008 at 9:32 PM
InTheBellyoftheBeast on September 13, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Pa will be decided on NOV 3 if Randell gets a call from Clinton telling him to GOTV or to sit at home on the 4th. PA is Clinton’s chip. Pa will cost Obamam millions in primary loans to the clintons
unseen on September 13, 2008 at 9:32 PM
*yawn* The rhetorical middle. How pedestrian.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Except for the family stuff intro it is becoming a total hit piece.
mrsmwp on September 13, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Pretty much what I figured. Thanks.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 9:35 PM
And Don’t look now but Washington state is only hanging on by a thread for BO the ZERO.
Maxx on September 13, 2008 at 9:38 PM
McCain is his “enemy” for supporting amnesty but Obama isn’t his “enemy” (indeed, he’s defended Obama numerous times) even though he supports amnesty and a helluva lot more. I.e., Obama’s national health care program would cover medical care for illegal immigrants. Think of the magnet that will be for future immigrants.
In some world that makes sense; but not this one.
SteveMG on September 13, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Yes of course- not so much a vote for Obama, but rather a vote against McCain.
Six of one, but never half a dozen of the other…no no not ever.
FiveWays on September 13, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Mac would win in a flockin’ landslide if he just said, “We will build a fence and we will fully enforce our existing immigration laws, no matter what”.
-Sigh.-
Bishop on September 13, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Really I think what lost the election for Obama is that he was to skimpy on the number of styrofoam Greek columns for his temple. If your going to go with Greek Temples you’ve got to do it right.
Maxx on September 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Gee, ya think? I was just saying that there is a leak in the damned dam, and there are those who won’t follow Randell. Too bad they don’t have early voting in PA so they can vote GOP before they lose their nerve.
InTheBellyoftheBeast on September 13, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Ummm… It’s Zogby. therefore, it’s probably wrong.
Illinidiva on September 13, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Maxx on September 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM
yes introduced the wimp demi-god narrative. should have went for full on god hood. speaking of which good article on the Jesus was a community organizer theme at redstate.
To say that Christ is a community organizer demeans the Savior of mankind and denies Him for who He is. Saul Alinsky, the man who, to quote Wikipedia, “is often credited with laying the foundation for the grassroots political organizing that dominated the 1960s” dedicated his book that started the community organizer fad to Lucifer — “the very first radical.” Lucifer was a community organizer in the Alinsky model. Lucifer convinced Adam and Eve of a reality not quite real and caused the world’s problems.
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/sep/13/for-your-own-sake-stop-the-jesus-to-obama-co/
unseen on September 13, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Ed
I agree, additionally the first debate should be the knockout punch – unless of course ABC moderates it
EricPWJohnson on September 13, 2008 at 9:50 PM
InTheBellyoftheBeast on September 13, 2008 at 9:45 PM
From western Pa. If I know it still, it should light up redder than a christmas tree, Penn State and central and northeast PA should also go to McCain/Palin. Southeast Philly retards will probably wait for Randell no matter what. That’s just the way those leftists roll over on the otherside of the state. could be wrong. will the rest be enough to outweigh Philly?
unseen on September 13, 2008 at 9:50 PM
I thought I read recently that after much bellowing, NC was clearly going red, despite the large number of blacks residing there.
Anyone know anything?
BuckeyeSam on September 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM
EricPWJohnson on September 13, 2008 at 9:50 PM
I think NBC and Tom Brokaw are doing the duty. Look for some type of crap.
unseen on September 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM
It would also help if Mac said Al Gore was full of Sh-t.
Maxx on September 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM
BuckeyeSam on September 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM
From Nc. the rep Gov canidate is up by 5 DOle is now up by 8 pts. I would say based on that turn around NC is going McCain by at least 5 maybe 10pts. Sidenote have not been seeing any Obama ads in NC lately. don’t watch much tv but watched ABC thurs and fri for the interview and only ads I saw were from Mcain. Dole, and Rep GOv canidate.
unseen on September 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM
How the hell is Broke-jaw going to pronounce William Ayers? Everyone knows he can’t pronounce his L’s!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 13, 2008 at 9:56 PM
If Mav pulls it out, I’ll hoist a glass of Scotch to toast the win. If His Holiness wins, I’ll be drinking heavily up until…..
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 13, 2008 at 9:58 PM
I think it was Napoleon: “Never interrupt your enemy while he’s making a mistake.” They sense some sort of opening, and in their hatred and desparation, they will completely overdo it.
Just everyone be prepared whatever comes of this.
Tommygun on September 13, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Bishop:
I don’t think that would matter. Guys like MB4 would not believe him and most Americans are just not that interested. If the issue of immigration was number one on most people’s list of things to worry about McCain and Obama would not be the nominees. I am not saying that it does not matter, but it is not at the top of the list.
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Let’s see, Florida is filled with retired (old) people. Who has Team Obama been denigrating lately? As for Pennsylvania, I think those people are smart enough to know that Joe Biden may have spent the first 10 years of his life in Scranton, but he’s been the Senator from Delaware for the last 35. Joe might be stupid, those people aren’t.
When Joe runs for re-election, wonder how many voters in Delaware will remember, “I’m Joe Biden and I’m from Scranton!”
GarandFan on September 13, 2008 at 10:03 PM
unseen on September 13, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Thanks for the Red State article, that was good. Here is the story on Saul Alinsky at WND. This story hasn’t got much attention and it should. It shows Obama was very directly influenced by Socialism and radical thinking.
Maxx on September 13, 2008 at 10:03 PM
The TN Democratic congressman (Cohen) who repeated that in the House got served some fairly serious crow. I saw him on some show late yesterday, and given the tune he was singing, I doubt he will be repeating that line any time soon. I can only conclude that the Christians in his district and elsewhere chewed him out so thoroughly he may need to convert to keep his seat! With Biden and Pelosi already on the hotseat with many Catholic archbishops around the country, the last thing the Democrats need is another senator or member of Congress making moronic theological statements.
BuckeyeSam on September 13, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Now, I want you to remember that no conservative ever won an election by dying for his party. He won it by making the poor dumb liberal bastard die for his party.
People, all this stuff you’ve heard about conservatives not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the election, is a lot of horse dung. Conservatives traditionally love to fight. All real Conservatives love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball player, the toughest boxer.
Conservatives love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Conservatives play to win all the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why true Conservatives have never lost and will never lose a poltical war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Conservatives.
I don’t want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We’re not holding anything. Let the Liberals do that. We are advancing constantly and we’re not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We’re going to hold onto them by the nose and we’re going to kick them in the ass. We’re going to kick the hell out of them all the time and we’re gonna go through them like crap through a goose.
There’s one thing that you people will be able to say when you get back home. And you may thank God for it. Thirty years from now when you’re sitting around your fireside with your grandchildren on your knee and they ask you what did you did in the election of 2008, you won’t have to say, “Well, I shoveled sh!t in Louisiana.”
Alright now, you sons-of-b!tches, you know how I feel.
Oh, and I will be proud to lead you wonderful people into battle – anytime, anywhere.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Maxx:
I don’t think so. I think Al Gore is crazy as a loon, but people care about the environment…they just do not want to be inconvenienced.
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Steady people we have a ways to go and need far better charts than navigator Zogby provides….
sven10077 on September 13, 2008 at 10:07 PM
I can’t see Obama dumping Biden for Hillary (or anybody else) now. Obama has no real qualifications for president — no executive experience, no military experience, no (real) foreign policy experience. Obama claims that his decision-making in the campaign amounts to executive experience qualifying him for the presidency. Choosing a VP candidate is the biggest decision Obama has had to make in the campaign. If Obama admits that he made the wrong choice in choosing Biden over Hillary, then he’s basically admitting that he doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing and is unqualified for the presidency (confirming the undecided voters’ fears about Obama’s decision-making abilities, fears that have been exacerbated by things like Obama’s foolish predictions about the surge, his inept response to the Russian invasion of Georgia, etc.).
Obama is stuck with Biden. If he tries to dump him, Obama might as well just concede defeat and hand the election to McCain right now.
AZCoyote on September 13, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Inconvienence they can bear….watching their economy implode they will not.
sven10077 on September 13, 2008 at 10:08 PM
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Patton is always uplifting…more Pastton less Bush soldiers home by 2010
unseen on September 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM
AZCoyote:
I agree. And why would Hillary want it now anyway?
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 10:12 PM
What do you think?
Governor Sarah Palin Wakes Up The World!
Connie on September 13, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Here’s an odd but plausible scenario: Obama’s internal polling shows him tanking in so many “battle-ground” states that he is keeping staff in states like Florida that he has virtually no chance of winning because he’s hoping for a wildcard mix of states to win, not a definite, plotted out plan of states and EVs in a coherent strategy.
I had figured McCain would hold the Bush’00/’04 states and Obama the Gore/Kerry states and the election would come down to Colorado and New Mexico, if McCain wins the Bush states and either of those, he wins. Those seemed like the most likely to turn. If Obama takes them both plus the Kerry states, he wins.
However, it could be that Obama’s people are seeing really terrifying numbers in PA, MI, WI, CO, NM, NH, VA, etc., negating any positive, rational strategy. He is keeping staff in any state that isn’t a complete washout (he only this week took staff out of Georgia, where he’s down by 20+pts.) in the hopes that lightning will strike and he can cobble together some sort of mix that will give him the magic number even if he loses 4-5 Kerry states.
The way the Obama camp is acting, it sure seems like things are much worse than the 2pt national lead McCain enjoys.
I’ve heard that Dem strategists are telling the Obama camp to handicap their figures 4-6% for the “Bradley Effect”. It may very well be, and this is just speculation, that the Obama camp is seeing numbers that tell them, barring a catastrophic gaffe or change in the political winds, Obama is going to lose and McCain is going to take over 300 EVs.
This is just a gut feeling from the way things are stacking up, and the panic coming out of the Dem party and the Obama camp. Things may be much worse for them, and the entire campaign a house of cards that’s about to come crashing down 2 months before the election.
docweasel on September 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Let’s grease our tank tracks with their Liberal guts!
FiveWays on September 13, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Unfortunately you might be right about that Terrye. But our country, in fact the world needs to be de-programed on all of this environmental hype, the planet is just fine. There is no global warming but there is a huge threat that global taxes could be implemented because of the fraud of global warming. We have ran our energy production ability into the ground because of environmentalism and its killing us and its all for nothing.
Maxx on September 13, 2008 at 10:21 PM
I don’t think she does want it — which is another reason why Obama won’t do it. Even if she was willing to consider it though, there doesn’t really seem to be any upside in it for her. Even if Obama could somehow recover from the beating he’d take from looking like an inept, indecisive fool for switching VP’s (and I don’t think he could recover from that), it wouldn’t be much fun for Hillary to be attending state funerals for the next 4 years. If Obama fails as president (and, given the unrealistic expectations he’s set, failure seems all but certain), then Hillary would be tainted with that failure as his VP. If Obama somehow succeeded as president and won 2 terms, the public would likely be sick of both Obama and Hillary at the end of 8 years and would be looking to make a change. Either way, it’d be a lose/lose proposition for Hillary. Better to hope for a McCain victory now and then re-position herself to run against McCain (or Palin) in 2012.
AZCoyote on September 13, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Maxx:
I think time will deprogram it to some extent. When NYC does not go under water and none of the other horrific events take place, I think a lot of the fear will fade. However, I do think that people will always care about basics like clean air and water.
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM
I watched my last baseball game when MLB banned Pete Rose for life.
I watched CNN for the last time when they aired the sniper killing of a US soldier.
Both could disappear tomorrow and I would care less.
MSG, USA(RET)
1978 – 2001
SPIFF1669 on September 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM
So call me a racist when I vote for McCain. What’s the big deal? Problem is, they think I’m an incorrigible racist no matter what I do. With the party of race hustlers, white = racist.
jaleach on September 13, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Brilliant analysis, Doc. I think you nailed it.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 10:34 PM
I see Bill and Hillary campaigning like h*ll for Obama in the next eight weeks…in all the states that are irretrievably blue or irretrievably red. And any time there’s an occasion to make a run through a swing state, Bill will need to leave the country and Hillary will need to attend to important Senate business.
At this point, I think they are completely off the hook. Obama has clearly created his own mess. No one can blame the Clintons for dogging it now. Intelligent Democrats will give them a pass. Lefty loons, community organizers, poverty merchants, and welfare kings and queens may not, but whom are they going to run to? The Republicans?
It’ll be interesting to see what middle-class blacks do. Maybe after the dust settles, they’ll admit that Obama was an extraordinarily weak candidate. Also, they might realize that they have a better chance of seeing a black Republican president–Michael Steele or someone else who’s worthy.
BuckeyeSam on September 13, 2008 at 10:37 PM
They essentially found the people that Palen beat or displaced. It was very controlled and narrated. There was some positive stuff from friends, but CNN took shots at Maverick going over earmarks, when they reported that Alaska was the earmark capitol. It was not a report, it was a controlled editorial.
As soon as Bidens pic was on the screen for his bio, I went to a movie.
Hening on September 13, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I kind of see McCain-Palin as the Allies in WW II–they’ve liberated France (successful campaign and successful introduction of Palin) and they’re rolling towards the Rhine. Assuming that there’s no dopey Operation Market Garden or Battle of the Bulge, the first debates will be the Rhine. If McCain beats Obama (and I think he will) and Palin meets or exceeds expectations (and I think she will), they will steamroll to Berlin (Nov. 4).
BuckeyeSam on September 13, 2008 at 10:48 PM
MB4 is either (a) a liberal posing as a conservative or (b) a Paul-nut. Both would explain his hatred of christians, his “Palin’s in? Still, don’t vote for McCain. Oh, he’s for off-shore drilling now? Still, don’t vote for McCain. It would be better if Obama wins. Yeah, I’m a conservative. Why do you ask?” BS.
DethMetalCookieMonst on September 13, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Two Internet Ranger E-nothings who think they are U.S. Army General George S. Patton. I am almost embarrassed for you.
MB4 on September 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM
(b)as in bulls!t. Which is what MB4 is full of..to the proverbial gills.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM
We’ve only just begun to shove our boots up your ass, MB4.
John Paul Jones meets Toby Keith. Beat that, assnugget.
Sakaki on September 13, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Pity. Because I am completely embarrassed for you.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM
True.
Tommygun on September 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM
I can almost hear George C. Scott speaking the words…
Very fitting.
91Veteran on September 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM
I’m thinking that they are factoring in the “Bradley effect” and that is why they’re so freaked by JMac’s slim lead. However, I’m not sure that the Bradley effect factors into telephone/ internet polls. It’s mainly a exit polling phenom. People are willing to say that they’ll vote for JMac because it’s over the phone, but they aren’t willing to say it to an exit poller in person. That is why some of the results were so off.
I also think that Obama’s team doesn’t have any experience running against a real Republican. They’re flummoxed on how to deal with a real, hard-hitting opposition. Apparently, Plouffe, Obama’s weenie campaign manager, put out a “memo” whining about JMac’s tactics. Even Time magazine, which is totally in the tank for the Messiah, was pretty amused.
Illinidiva on September 13, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Here, here.
The following is everything that Barack Obama is not. Another reason why he must be defeated. I keep this on my MP3 player.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 13, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Electoral maps from Real Clear Politics:
With tossups mapped: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
With tossups counted: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10
State by state count: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/election_2008/electoral_count.html
Tommygun on September 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Awesome
Not so
joeswampy on September 13, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Obama’s fundraising problems will be a big factor. He cannot sustain his level of spending. I work on the upper west side of Manhattan which is as blue as it gets. Everyday his “volunteers” are out on the street with their clipboards. I don’t see many people stopping to donate.
McCain/Palin can campaign nonstop. Obama has to spend some of his time trying to stay solvent.
muggedbyreality on September 13, 2008 at 11:16 PM
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