Battlegrounds: Florida, Pennsylvania breaking for McCain?
posted at 5:34 pm on September 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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As if the Barack Obama needed any more bad news, the St. Petersburg Times and Zogby both deliver cause for pessimism at Team O. Florida polling shows that despite spending millions in advertising in the Sunshine State and a delay in advertising for McCain, Obama is in worse position that John Kerry at the same time in 2004. Zogby has new polling that shows Obama now trails in Pennsylvania, a must-hold state for the Democrats.
First, the Florida breakdown:
Barack Obama could be on the verge of falling out of contention in Florida.
Despite spending an estimated $8-million on campaign ads in America’s biggest battleground state and putting in place the largest Democratic campaign organization ever in Florida, Obama has lost ground over the summer. Florida has moved from a toss-up state to one that clearly leans toward John McCain, fueling speculation about how much longer the Democratic nominee will continue investing so heavily in the state. …
He is farther behind in the state than John Kerry was at this point in 2004, even though McCain began buying Florida TV ads only last week. By this time in 2004, the Bush-Cheney campaign had spent $13-million on Florida TV. In the rolling average of Florida polls compiled by the Web site RealClearPolitics.com, Obama has never taken the lead over McCain in Florida, and the latest average shows him behind by 5 percentage points. They were tied in early August.
Four Florida polls came out this week, with one showing a tied race, the others showing McCain leading by 5 to 8 percentage points.
And Pennsylvania? According to Zogby, Obama is down by five:
Updated: 9/13/2008
Summary:
McCain – 49.1%
Obama – 44.3%
Not Sure/Other – 6.6%“This is a classic case of polling as a snapshot in time. We’re turning Pennsylvania purple today, as McCain takes a small edge. But as in Ohio, we are watching this closely and things could change in this classically blue state.”
And in Ohio, Zogby now puts McCain ahead of Obama by six, a substantial enough margin to move the state from purple to red. Zogby, of course, is one of the more volatile pollsters, so any results here should be taken with a grain of salt. However, if McCain takes Pennsylvania and holds Ohio and Florida, it will be difficult for Obama to prevail in a national election.
Obama could hope to capture Virginia, which has eight less Electoral College votes than PA. However, Zogby also shows McCain up by over six points there in its latest polling of likely voters. He may do better in North Carolina than in Virginia, with two more EC votes, as Zogby has Obama slightly ahead by less than the margin of error. McCain has moved out to a similar lead in Colorado now, and has taken a seven point lead in New Hampshire and Nevada.
Momentum appears to have definitely shifted towards McCain. Expect the Obama campaign to focus like a laser on these battleground states and end any remaining pretense at a national effort.
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I was thinking this was going to be a close race. Now I might have to check that thought at put in for a possibly 35 or more states.
The question is if he can maintain that momentum.
Kat_Mo on September 13, 2008 at 5:38 PM
The last two presidential elections showed close races in Penn and it always ends up being a dem blowout. I have a hard time thinking McCain made inroads there…if so, then wow.
jawbone on September 13, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Paging Ed Morrissey. Please report to the headlines.
http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=17820
mad saint jack on September 13, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Add this insider advantage poll of September 11th
It shows McCain leading in Michigan by 1 point
William Amos on September 13, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Alphie?
Disturb the Universe on September 13, 2008 at 5:40 PM
Zogbly polls are scary. However, the TRENDS are towards McCain-Palin right now.
SouthernGent on September 13, 2008 at 5:41 PM
The bitter gun clinger remark is hard to forget.
surfer girl on September 13, 2008 at 5:42 PM
I can’t stop laughing. Democrats just don’t learn that the little people don’t like arrogance. Gore, Kerry and now the big O.
bopbottle on September 13, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I never thought Obama had a chance in Florida. But McCain is up in Pennsylvania, Colorado AND New Hampshire? McCain could top 300 electoral votes.
Tuning Spork on September 13, 2008 at 5:43 PM
It’d be smart for McCain to pivot now and present a real substantive economic and reform package. Talk about eliminating earmarks, perhaps term limits (I know; he’s been there for a gazillion years), drilling in Anwar (c’mon Sarah, show him some leg), run against Congress, et cetera.
Obama’s been weakened enough, I think. Any bounce from Palin (ahem) will soon dissipate.
Turn to the economy and Washington corruption.
SteveMG on September 13, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I don’t trust Zogby or for that matter Gallup. I think it still comes down to the debates and we cannot afford any mis-steps such as with “Waffles”. No it shouldn’t matter, but that won’t matter to the MSM.
Nyog_of_the_Bog on September 13, 2008 at 5:44 PM
I hate good news, I feel like this is just setting us up for a huge disappointment. I’ll probably keep saying this over and over until November, fight as if we were down by 10.
El_Terrible on September 13, 2008 at 5:45 PM
RCP’s trends for September
09/13 Indiana Toss Up »»» Leaning McCain McCain
09/11 Florida Toss Up »»» Leaning McCain
09/11 North Carolina Leaning McCain »»» Solid McCain
09/11 Georgia Leaning McCain »»» Solid McCain
09/09 North Carolina Toss Up »»» Leaning McCain 09/09 New Jersey Solid Obama »»» Leaning Obama
09/08 Washington Solid Obama »»» Leaning Obama 09/07 Pennsylvania Leaning Obama »»» Toss Up
Indiana Leaning McCain »»» Toss Up
09/03 Minnesota Toss Up »»» Leaning Obama
William Amos on September 13, 2008 at 5:46 PM
When are they going to make that an issue? I can’t imagine a person who would say that about Americans would have a chance at a general election.
El_Terrible on September 13, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Just so y’all won’t be surprised, they have new voting machines here in Florida and the same ones are being used all over the state. I haven’t actually seen it except on the news but there appears to be a paper trail. That being said they are already whining. It hasn’t been tested enough, they were a few mess ups during the primary and if there needs to be a re-count (God forbid) Florida law still doesn’t demand that it be an entire state re-count. I swear you can’t make these people happy.
Cindy Munford on September 13, 2008 at 5:47 PM
I think the Bradley effect plus another 1-3 points is in play here. Not only do we have the (deplorable) fact that some Americans simply won’t vote for a black person as President, I think there’s a good 1-2% of the population who now say they’ll vote for Obama (or are leaning) simply because it appears to be the popular thing to do.
That will fade. If Obama isn’t up by more than 3-5 points on election day, he’ll lose the popular vote. Electorally, it’s a crapshoot.
SteveMG on September 13, 2008 at 5:48 PM
And don’t forget the Bradley effect.
John Doe on September 13, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Gaming it at 270towin, looks like McCain 300 and Obama 238.
Even bigger if he gets 11 out of Washington, though it’s tough row to hoe.
Kat_Mo on September 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM
SteveMG – You’re quick
John Doe on September 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM
My thought exactly…and I’m betting it’s already in the McCain Ad Vault, waiting for a rollout at the right time.
Patrick S on September 13, 2008 at 5:50 PM
President John F. Kerry can vouch for Zogby’s reliability. What more does anyone need?
MB4 on September 13, 2008 at 5:52 PM
FORTY STATES BABY
Elizabetty on September 13, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Amen. No resting on the laurels like the Dems did because this could turn on a dime in one screw up from McCain/Palin.
Stand up and fight!
Kat_Mo on September 13, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Im beginning to see more and more McCain and Sununu signs going up here in NH. I put one up myself yesterday to make one more. Met the fellow(Swindellsp?)yesterday who was a POW with McCain. Pleasant man and enjoyed the few minutes he spent with our group. Now I’m looking for a Sarah tee shirt to wear to the gym.
jeanie on September 13, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Beat you by one thousandth of a second for the Gold.
I’d add another 1-2 points for the “celebrity” effect.
SteveMG on September 13, 2008 at 5:53 PM
If the media is holding any scandal cards on McCain, they’re going to have put them up soon….before it’s too late.
John Doe on September 13, 2008 at 5:53 PM
If you flip OH and PA to McCain on the RCP map, it puts McCain at 268 with five reasonably McCain states out six still up in the air. “Difficult” is an understatement, but I appreciate your being honest to the numbers, Ed.
Dusty on September 13, 2008 at 5:53 PM
I’d add another 1-2 points for the “celebrity” effect.
SteveMG on September 13, 2008
For Palin? or the One?
John Doe on September 13, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Poor Obama….American’s chickens….are coming home to roooost!!!!
John Doe on September 13, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Good point.
1 for Palin – 2-3 for Obama = +1/2 for McCain.
As if I know what I’m talking about….
SteveMG on September 13, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Not according to Gallup Tracking which has McCain’s lead dropping from 5 to 2 in the last 3 days, but I guess they are out now and Zogby is in. Stay tuned for next week to see who is out and who is in then.
MB4 on September 13, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Calling Zogby volatile is being polite.
Keep working. No overconfidence. We haven’t won until Nov. 4th.
BadgerHawk on September 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM
I’m not banking on the Bradley effect here. The vehement anti-Bush crowd, I think, overrides that. The One’s campaign is banking on cell phones and other nonsense to override it too, but I call BS on that.
Florida doesn’t surprise me. McCain’s been gaining slow but steady ground there for a while. Considering the high senior population and that the Dems banned FL from voting in the primaries, I can’t see it going Obama’s way. The only reason it’s close is the influx of Northeast transplants, IMO.
If McCain/ Palin get get a better ground game in PA, I predict a real flip there. Obama got trounced in the primaries in PA and, IMO, the only reason he has any standing there are the Bush haters and his millions invested there.
NJ, MI and WA are surprising me too. O’s standing there seems to be evaporating.
FL will be red. If any one of these other states flipped more strongly, it’s game over for Obama.
Damiano on September 13, 2008 at 5:59 PM
1) it’s mullah zogby I need two more polls for confirmation
2) I saw this potnetial rend when RCP updated their numbers this week….I suspect that Tom Bevan is using higher benchmarks to move Barry states and to show Barrymentum than Johnmentum.
sven10077 on September 13, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Obama is going to do very poorly in Western Pennsylvania and will probably lose PA because of that.
Obama will win Pittsburg/Allegheny County, but by less that Democrats usually do. Heck, Pittsburgh had a competitive race for mayor last year. And the other counties? Forget it. He’ll get mauled in Armstrong, Butler, Green, Washington and the mountain counties that Murtha’s district is gerrymandered across. Obama may compete in Beaver County – maybe.
First off, Pittsburgh is the largest city in Appalachia, and we all know how Barry does in Appalachia. And there’s the demographics. The area has an older, socially conservative population. There are relatively few liberal elite moonbats in the Pittsburgh area. The black population is relatively low in Pittsburgh compared to other major cities. The Latino population is almost nil. Those are Barry’s most reliable constituencies, and they are all under represented in Western PA.
And then there’s the “bitter/gun/bible/clinging” comments he made in San Francisco. He will be bludgeoned with that in the last month of the campaign to great effect.
forest on September 13, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Weren’t the complaints about Zogby based on the claim (okay, allegation) that he over-sampled Democrats?
If he now over-sampling Republicans?
As I understand it, even more than low response rates, the party sampling question is the most volatile and difficult problem for pollsters.
SteveMG on September 13, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Alphie was last seen at midnight last night smoking weed and doing the Macarena on the Sea Wall in Galveston with Geraldo…
NightmareOnKStreet on September 13, 2008 at 6:01 PM
I’m seeing a lot more McCain and Mitch Daniels (our Gov. in Indiana) signs popping up around Indianapolis. There have always been a lot of Obama signs in certain neighborhoods. I have not noticed any more Obama signs being put up in the areas where I drive.
Michelle O. was here just last week speaking to “undecided” working women. I think that will be her part in the campaign to counteract Palinmania.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 13, 2008 at 6:01 PM
…right-o!
It’s still only September.
So far, the Party of Dirt hasn’t found anything with traction, but you can count on them to keep at it. Unable to win on the issues because their moral center (such as it is) is off the charts and the political package they off is, upon examination, foreign and petty, arrogant and impractical. So, they fall back on dirt, which — since 1992 — has been their forte’.
John and Sarah, and their folks, need to keep the spotlight on Obama, on Biden (if he ever surfaces), and on the parade of socialists, misfits and fratboys who follow in their train. We’re not just electing a candidate, after all, but a regime. Which regime will work for you and your interests, and which against you…you have to ask. Who will an Obama regime empower — as cabinet secretaries, judges, justices, and diplomats — and how have these folks behaved in the past?
For my part, the prospect of 4 years of more Clinton was nauseating…4 years of this Obama bloke, who’s Bill Clinton on steroids, is unthinkable.
Puritan1648 on September 13, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Don’t peak to soon…
Be the hot team going into the finals…think Giants, not Patriots.
6 weeks is an eternity in politics. Gotta keep the story fresh…send Palin out on some Energy Townhalls…
Get McCain back to Iraq…
Let people remember that the do-nothing congress is run by DEMOCRATS!
Pound the ball…
joepub on September 13, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Turning the corner…Expect the long knives of the Obama campaign and their allies in the media to reach out even more than they are already.
RobCon on September 13, 2008 at 6:03 PM
What’s the latest in Michigan? You would think that Teh One should be able to lock down Michigan, but with the economy in shambles (Dem Gov for 6 years) and the Kwame scandal, it must still be a toss up.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 13, 2008 at 6:04 PM
yep yep yep yep yep
Victory disease. Ask Hirohito. :)
Limerick on September 13, 2008 at 6:07 PM
I think we have a special Blizzard going there to try to appeal to the Union gunners…
sven10077 on September 13, 2008 at 6:07 PM
RE: Michigan…
Send Palin into the UP…she will excite the sportsmen!
joepub on September 13, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Who are you quoting there? You didn’t say.
Whoever you’re quoting is right, though.
BadgerHawk on September 13, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Wow, alphie was right: The bubble has burst.
What else could it have have been talking about if not this?
SuperCool on September 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Agree- the way to get coatails and make this an election worth winning is for McCain/Palin to broaden out the attack to include juicy targets like Pelosi, Murtha, Ried and handcuff Barry to them.
The obstacles to real reform since 2006.
jjshaka on September 13, 2008 at 6:11 PM
You used to quote the RCP average whenever anyone brought up a specific poll.
Until McCain pulled ahead there, of course.
Chuck Schick on September 13, 2008 at 6:12 PM
lol. A very peceptive guy, IMHO.
MB4 on September 13, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Monday/ Tuesday polls will be interesting. They will cover the Palin interview and at least most of the Sunday talking heads.
Not that Intrade is worth a darn, but Obama’s been dropping like a rock there and McCain’s been holding a fairly steady gain.
The average over at RealClear politics also shows Barry on a fairly consistent decline.
Damiano on September 13, 2008 at 6:16 PM
True……….. and the counter punch?
John and Sarah should immediately start a “Count the Soldier’s Vote!” campaign………. and watch as the Democrats sssssssquirrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Seven Percent Solution on September 13, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Well, in my typically red Michigan county I am seeing many more Obama signs than McCain signs. (Though I am certain we will stay red.)
Interestingly, though, I am not seeing any “Obama-Biden” signs…although I think I saw a “Obama-Osama” sign but I was driving too fast to read it.
dmarie on September 13, 2008 at 6:17 PM
I think the UP would be solidly for McCain/Palin except for the poverty factor up there. West Michigan is definitely for McCain/Palin although trip to Grand Rapids would do well in solidifying the base. She probably would need to go the belly of the liberal bastion: Al-Ann Arbor followed by Kwame’s ‘hood. And maybe one last stop in Lansing to slap Jennie Granholm.
Speaking of that……New McCain/Palin ad: Teh ‘Cuda’s record vs. Jennie’s record (Barry supporter) = Teh Awesomeness
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 13, 2008 at 6:17 PM
I found the UK Telegraph article link above very insightful. It says Axelrod and others are very arrogant, and will not listen to those in the DNC who think they know how to beat McCain. The article has a serious ring of truth to it.
I also, via surfing the internet today, found other articles and polls suggesting Ohio and Florida are pulling further away from Obama. The connecting comments via DNC types or sources in these articles, and the UK article are insinuating racism is going to be the reason Obama looses. Rather odd this is being pounded again and in such defeatist terminology. It is as if he has already lost, and they have declared the reason was most Americans are racists. Very strong defeated tones in all these articles.
I wonder if the racist overtones are there to motivate the young African-American voters, or to pre-plant the idea in some voters minds that if they vote for McCain they are then racists?
The other articles I have read today also say that many Congressional elections are turning and I think the Governorship race in maybe Washington is showing the Republican taking a commanding lead whereas earlier he had been trailing by 5-6 points.
freeus on September 13, 2008 at 6:17 PM
At times and at times I still do. RCP averages, which still includes the outlier USA Today/Gallup poll, has McCain up by 2.4 Ras, the other main tracking poll, has McCain up by 3, 1 more than Gallup. Do you want me to quote RCP averages every 5 days? Every 5 hours? Every 5 minutes?
MB4 on September 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM
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marklmail on September 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Wait until Palin eviscerates Biden in the first debate. Then when mist um.. er… ah…I have never said… auuuh ..er…. that, get pummeled by the old guy that doesn’t use e-mail.
jukin on September 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM
I live in Clearwater Florida, (Don’t Hate), and I run a small Christian kiosk. I have many people asking me about the election. They are really pulling for McCain. We are more conservative here and bible clingy.
Mercy4Me on September 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM
I’m taking Zogby with a grain of salt. Florida was, IMO, pretty solidly in McCain’s camp already, and trending further in his direction. Ohio is still a bit wobbly….and it’s a given that PA will tip to the Obama side eventually, regardless how much money is spent there. Throw CO, and NM into the mix, and it comes down to just one of those smaller states, assuming McCain keeps the pressure up in Ohio.
DngrMse on September 13, 2008 at 6:24 PM
They’re hitting GR this week.
Editor on September 13, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Time for Contract with America v2.0
Are you listening Boehner and McConnell?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 13, 2008 at 6:24 PM
“He may do better in North Carolina than in Virginia”
McCain will take NC with room to spare. Even in the areas Obama had been doing well in – Durham/Chapel Hill and Charlotte – his support is eroding. Between the large military and vet population and the rural areas of NC, McCain support is strong. Particularly after the Palin VP pick.
Drunken Angry Clown on September 13, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Tracking polls can vary 5 or 6 points in a couple of days. Nothing unusual there.
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Thanks.
BadgerHawk on September 13, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Look, it’s very simple. If you win Missouri, you win the election.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_bellwether
Guess who’s up by 6.6 points?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/mo/missouri_mccain_vs_obama-545.html
sachsen on September 13, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Seeing you have to quote it once having McCain ahead is punishment enough. He’s also ahead in the EVs for the first time ever with states outside the MOE.
But cling to your Gallup poll- it only has McCain up by 2.
Chuck Schick on September 13, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Sweet! Do you know where? I used to work at the Van Andel Research Institute in downtown GR. It was totally insane when Dubya came for a meeting at Spectrum hospital across the street. Did get some cool pictures of the snipers on the buildings surrounding the hospital from inside my lab. Also got a picture of the detestable anti-war/PETA/(pre-Obama supporters) protestors, too.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 13, 2008 at 6:27 PM
You say that like it’s a bad thing. America would probably be better off with more do-nothing congress’s.
MB4 on September 13, 2008 at 6:27 PM
While Barry may carry parts of Philadelphia here because of the black vote, there is also the unreliable Latino vote, as well as the white, working class, socially conservative Dems (former Reagan Democrats). They probably won’t care that Biden, who has been identified with Delaware for so many years, lived in Scranton when he was a kid.
Enough of the burbs may go GOP and vote their pocketbooks because of Obama’s tax-and-spend plans.
Wethal on September 13, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Dr. Cwac:
I live in southern Indiana. I have seen 2 Obama signs. I have seen more McCain signs, but as a general rule we don’t see a lot of signs for national elections around here. Judges and county clerks get more signs than the presidential candidates do.
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Wake up. I’m not clinging to anything.
MB4 on September 13, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Guys and Gals
Its time to get out on the street corner and hold up your Palin/McCain signs. get your friends together pick a busy intersection and do it. Go to home depot if you have to hire a few illegals, pay them 3 bucks and beer tp stand out there and wave some signs. Come on people!
Mercy4Me on September 13, 2008 at 6:30 PM
I just hope it isn’t close. I want it to be an embarrassing Mondale-type loss, so we never have to even think of the possibility of Barry O getting another nomination.
Unless he’s carrying a tourist pass, I don’t want that Marxist pansy anywhere near the Oval Office ever again.
AZCoyote on September 13, 2008 at 6:31 PM
I agree that McCain and the Republicans should be going after Murtha hard. Russell and McCain can and should be doing some campaigning together. (check out Russell’s tv ad). Even with the gerrymandering, it’s a conservative district and Murtha is vulnerable.
McCain and Palin should do alot of campaigning around Pittsburgh, but also right in Pittsburgh. There are votes to be had in the city. Lynn Swann, Joe Lieberman, and Dennis Miller could do them some good there too.
forest on September 13, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Dr., check out McCain’s website. It has details. Better RSVP right away!
Editor on September 13, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Not according to Election Projection nor according to Pollster
MB4 on September 13, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Guys, three words:
Don’t Trust Zogby.
And don’t get overconfident. We’re down by 10. We need to fight like hell and kick Obama in the nuts. We don’t want him birthing any more children.
Sakaki on September 13, 2008 at 6:33 PM
I saw this electoral poll that gives McCain a razor thin lead over Obama in the Electoral College.
It could go either way. But it looks better now than it did a couple of weeks ag0o.
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Living in PA, I can tell you that while PA has traditionally gone to the Dems, it is FAR from a blue state.
The vast majority of counties in PA are firm Republican voters.
The problem, of course, is that PA is not a densely populated state and it is the cities (Pittsburgh and Philadelphia) that ultimately turn the state.
If I recall correctly, PA was -barely- blue in 2004. With an energized base and the “bitter, clinging” comment, Obama may just lose in PA.
Religious_Zealot on September 13, 2008 at 6:34 PM
It looks good but, after reading Howie Kurtz about how the media is mad, I am thinking that we might have to accomplish this without our traditional allies in the media.
Laurence on September 13, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Not even a gun?
Chuck Schick on September 13, 2008 at 6:40 PM
The trend is moving in Sen. McCain’s direction. That’s all that we can truly say at this point. However it works out, we’re doing much better than we could have ever expected only a few months ago. I can believe that Sen. Obama will not do as well in PA as Sen Kerry did. It would surprise me to see him lose the state. If he does lose PA, he’s toast.
Jill1066 on September 13, 2008 at 6:40 PM
LOL
Editor on September 13, 2008 at 6:40 PM
If Obama wins in Virginia, or any other southern state for that matter, I will never again say that I am from the South.
m064404 on September 13, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Haha. I guess RCP is out this week!
Chuck Schick on September 13, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Oh yeah. The media is pissed and out for blood. Gibson proved that. It ain’t going to get any prettier.
The Zogby thing is nice, but McCain hasn’t hit 50% yet. If he can start bobbing above 50% here and there, I’ll start feeling more optimistic.
Damiano on September 13, 2008 at 6:41 PM
IIRC Gallup is registered voters, Rasmussen likely voters.
Also, Dems (I’ve heard) tend to get a little poll bump on Fri/Sat nights.
Don’t get complacent….fight…fight…fight!
tgharris on September 13, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Ah yes- it’s MB4
Still trolling I see.
You never did say if you were voting for McCain or Obama, did you.
I’ve asked you several times now for over a week, and as always, non-answers.
FiveWays on September 13, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Oh and MB4- when does your alter-ego Sigmund show up?
FiveWays on September 13, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Obama ain’t winning Virginia. No way. Besides, most of the Dem votes there come from latte-sipping douchebags living in the DC area who aren’t fit to be considered Southerners anyway.
fiatboomer on September 13, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Any man that survived the Hanoi Hilton can survive two months of the MSM being mad. I would suggest that if these people push McCain too far, they’re going to find out how good a politician (and maybe how tough an old codger) he is.
tgharris on September 13, 2008 at 6:46 PM
SHUT.
UP.
My ears are bleeding. I usually agree with you, but your sockpuppet paranoia has to stop. Or are you going to accuse me of sockpuppetry as well?
fiatboomer on September 13, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Good advice, Badger.
Steady, People. Enemy frigate in sight but not yet in range. Hold your fire and keep the powder dry.
When Captain Schmidt gives the word, unleash a broadside that’ll blow ‘em out of the water.
ManlyRash on September 13, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Actually, I’m wondering if MB-4 can vote!? Do you know DRywall MB?
Vince on September 13, 2008 at 6:48 PM
You guys DO realize that Kerry ONLY won PA by a 51-49 split (and less than 150,000 votes)?
It was FAR from a blowout.
Oh, and Obama LOST the PA primary by almost 10 points.
Religious_Zealot on September 13, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Funny my posts both you, but the trolls don’t.
Feel free not to read mine from now on.
And if that doesn’t work- then p!ss off.
FiveWays on September 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Funny my posts
bothbother you, but the trolls don’t.FiveWays on September 13, 2008 at 6:50 PM
He’s appearing at Grand Rapids Community College. That is a half-block away from where I used to work.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 13, 2008 at 6:50 PM
I can’t imagine Obama will win Indiana either. But he might get the union/Democrat town of TerreHaute, the People’s Republic of Bloomington, Gary and at least part of Indpls.
But where I live? Oh please.
Terrye on September 13, 2008 at 6:50 PM
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