Open thread: Palin vs. Gibson, round three; Update: I think Obama regrets not picking Hillary, says Palin
posted at 4:42 pm on September 12, 2008 by Allahpundit
We’re two hours away from World News Tonight but the first excerpts are up and I figured you’d want a thread to comment. Interesting that they’re transcribing simple verbal hiccups like at the beginning here:
SARAH PALIN: It has always been an embarrassment that abuse of the ear form — earmark process has been accepted in Congress. And that’s what John McCain has fought. And that’s what I joined him in fighting. It’s been an embarrassment, not just Alaska’s projects. But McCain gives example after example after example. I mean, every state has their embarrassment.
Their description of yesterday’s interview is interesting too, which isn’t to say it’s incorrect:
The comfort she showed when talking about a proposed pipeline that would supply the lower 48 states with natural gas from Alaska, contrasted sharply with her generally rote talking points on national security during the day’s first interview with Gibson.
While we wait, here’s a new ad from Citizens United comparing her Iraq prayer to comments made by other “Christianists” through the ages.
Update: Headlines comments imported.
Update: Palin on Hillary: “What determination, and grit, and even grace through some tough shots that were fired her way. She handled those well.” That’s a fortuitous soundbite, because it’s going to draw attention from what a friend e-mails to say sounds like “canned and evasive” answers on the other stuff per the excerpts. Click to watch.
Update: Dick Morris is already gaming out Hillary vs. Palin in 2012. Meanwhile, how stupid do you think Biden feels for having talked up Hillary himself a few days ago? He could have played the victim here otherwise; as it is, he’s basically forced to agree with her. An
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Notice Gibson’s body language – he’s not getting the answers he wants to hear.
He tries to put words in her mouth by asking the same question over and over.
She doesn’t falter and it’s infuriating Gibson.
Kini on September 12, 2008 at 5:10 PM
sounds like he’ll be re-writing his “Hillary vs. Condi” book and just insert “Palin” for “Condi” with the Find/Replace function.
jp on September 12, 2008 at 5:11 PM
I think she’s getting better already…lol. The Hillary video is hilarious…get those PUMA going….lol.
Chudi on September 12, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Quit bitching about Gibson, she needed this…
She had canned answers out of rot memorization for the foreign policy stuff but she’s doing well in other areas… I think her style in general is “pointy” in that she keeps it simple…
ninjapirate on September 12, 2008 at 5:12 PM
In fairness ABC was doing a pre new Hampshire “Meet the Candidates” collection. I will see if they did GOP
William Amos on September 12, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Oh, this will backfire, Charlie.
The less glib Sarah sounds, the more vulnerable before the inquisition, the more the left is toasting itself. Carry on, Charlie — burn the toast.
Nichevo on September 12, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Is it a factor of the 24 hr newscycle that we feel a need to prejudge? Of course then we look to reinforce our prejudgment.
Spirit of 1776 on September 12, 2008 at 5:12 PM
The Hillary video is what we want to see! Relaxed and smiling!
lodge on September 12, 2008 at 5:14 PM
You know, I looked through ABC’s archive of video at that link for the interview with Charlie Gibson hammering Barack Obama about HIS earmarks, and you know, I’m having some trouble finding it……..
ctmom on September 12, 2008 at 5:14 PM
This interview was a lot better than the other one. And she was right that she has cut earmarks drastically the few years she has been in office. Also her point on attaching earmarks onto more important bills is exactly what McCain has fought. Earmarks aren’t the problem but earmark abuse. Has any media organiation investigated Obama’s earmark abuse? No, of course they haven’t.
Complete7 on September 12, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Hey Allah (Eyore) you haven’t “gulped” it yet!
LtE126 on September 12, 2008 at 5:16 PM
What a difference…until you see how relaxed he is, how comfortable, nurturing he is with Hillary, do you see the contrast.
right2bright on September 12, 2008 at 5:16 PM
jp on September 12, 2008 at 5:11 PM
I’ve never quite figured out how Dick “Toesucker” Morris redeemed himself and got credibility by switching to the conservative side. He’s revealed some Inside Baseball on the Clintons, but that’s no reason to have him on half teh conservative radio talk shows on the air. As pointed out above, he has a bad track record on predictions.
Tommygun on September 12, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Matthews’s Hardball has Palin’s Democratic gubernatorial opponent on his show. He’s a nitwit and she creamed him in their 2006 debates. This is a new low for Matthews. As if this guy Knowles is a national-level politician.
The guy is repeating talking-point criticisms that got shot by midnight last night.
BuckeyeSam on September 12, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Gibson/Obama July 2008
William Amos on September 12, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Contact ABC News here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3271346&cat=World%20News%20with%20Charles%20Gibson
ErinF on September 12, 2008 at 5:21 PM
I disagree. I think he nails it about 60% of the time and even when he’s wrong he offers some insight. No matter what, he gives his genuine opinion and not just talking points. I’d have Dick around just to hear his take on things.
TheBigOldDog on September 12, 2008 at 5:22 PM
That was an AWESOME VIDEO! That’s what I’ve been saying ever since the day I began posting here — trying to warn everybody. God has blessed you and I, and this nation. It’s why America has prospered. People don’t realize this. Y’know, how fortunate they really are and why. Instead, in the last couple decades we’ve replaced the foundation that God is Creator, with a foundation that says, man decides truth for himself. And people don’t realize how dangerous that is. Without Him, without GOD, America is going to fall. It’s already beginning to happen. Securalism and godlessness are not a replacement for our LORD. Thanks for posting that video. What an INCREDIBLE REMINDER. Except, now I’m sad.
apacalyps on September 12, 2008 at 5:22 PM
On the earmarks per capita issue in Alaska… Doesn’t it make sense that the country spends more there than anywhere else?
What other state produces more natural resources for our consumption than Alaska? What is the multiple of oil production, gas production, crab production, fish production, gold production?
Why should the lower 48 not pump a few billion into the infrastructure necessary to get those resources to market down here?
GulfCoastBamaFan on September 12, 2008 at 5:22 PM
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/les-misbarack.html
Okay, this is actually funny.
Mr. Joe on September 12, 2008 at 5:22 PM
I see no evidence of “evasive” or “canned” answers here Allah. She gave some canned answers last night for sure but I see no evidence of that here. This incredible pessimism and fatalism is pretty annoying and it’s beyond what I would expect even from you.
I understand being realistic about what happens but it’s gone far, far beyond that at this point.
Kronos on September 12, 2008 at 5:23 PM
LOL (literally).
Also, through the wonders of google I found an interesting factoid about the body language expert – Jo-Ellan Dimitrius.
She was part of OJ’s Dream Team and claims to have come up with “If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.” Also worked for Scott Peterson. Quite the resume.
I wonder who she’s voting for????
rockhead on September 12, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Palin is going after the Hillary voters big time. And she can do it honestly. I could not believe that I was rooting for Hillary Clinton of all people at the end of the Democratic Primary. It was just so totally unfair what the party and the Obama campaign did to her! I have never liked the Clintons but I do like fairness.
petunia on September 12, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Great “Christianists” video. The clip from the Palin interview is the first I had seen of it. Gibson could do a little (a lot) better hiding his contempt. He could also do better getting his facts straight.
Our VP nominee, on the other hand, did well.
I have to wonder how many on the Left realize that FDR prayed “on the air” on the occasion of the Normandy Invasion? Of course, I wonder how many of them know when the Normandy Invasion occurred?
tgharris on September 12, 2008 at 5:25 PM
You mean that isn’t Condi running?
right2bright on September 12, 2008 at 5:26 PM
fudgypup on September 12, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Don’t waste your time being Outraged!
ninjapirate on September 12, 2008 at 5:26 PM
The Citizens United ad is incredibly powerful. The historical footage made me cry and feel deeply connected to and proud of the grace & greatness of America.
Yes it’s long, but it might sway some viewers to McCain/Palin, so I hope it gets some play on TV & not just on YouTube.
Loxodonta on September 12, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Probably the best ad I have ever seen.
echosyst on September 12, 2008 at 5:27 PM
gibson shamelessly took her words out of context and then rudely lied that he wasn’t. When are all Americans going to realize that this country has an enemy just as committed to it’s destruction within our borders as those living in muslim countries? When are so called “conservative” pundits and politicians going to stop buddying up to their “good freinds and collegues” among that enemy?
peacenprosperity on September 12, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Bewitching!
Entelechy on September 12, 2008 at 5:30 PM
With all the criticism of how this interview went, she actually does come across as genuine to me. She is what she is, and that’s just how it is. Those two specific problems in the first part (not all her fault, and people may see that) were unfortunate, but beyond those, this is simply the Cuda in her native habitat.
I suppose it’s “Take it or leave it, America.”
Tommygun on September 12, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Believe me, Five, it hurt you more than it hurt me. Glad to be of help.
Onward and upward!
ManlyRash on September 12, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Curious here if anyone knows if John Edwards had met with foreign heads of state before his run as VP?
This morning on Good Morning America they ran some clips from the interview followed by a “Fact Check” segment. They would show her response and then state if it was True or False. One “FALSE” was the other VP’s in the past 30 years all had met with foreign heads of state. I was wondering if their fact was only for the VPs that had gone on to be elected and excluded ones that had run and not gotten elected. Anyone???
artchick on September 12, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Wow … great ad. I’d donate to have that run as often as possible.
darwin on September 12, 2008 at 5:31 PM
A hallmark of intelligence is the ability to assess & respond to changing information & conditions. Watching SP quickly react & articulate while under stress indicates she is clearly smarter than the bumbling, inarticulate, affirmative action receiving, Messiah.
This will turn out to be her worst interview ever – and it ain’t half bad. While she under-performs on the quiz content, her ‘stage’ poise & presence is the stuff of naturals like FDR & RR.
She’s obviously a quick study who can think on her feet. Combine a better grasp of subject matter with her natural abilities, including likeability, and we’re looking at a force to be reckoned with.
kuhio on September 12, 2008 at 5:31 PM
When I was a kid the TV stations used to have a Scripture from Proverbs, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.”
I don’t know why, it just said that in a deep voice…
Can you even imagine that anymore? We have lost a great deal in recent years.
petunia on September 12, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Sarah didn’t stop there. The quotes for the portion to air tonight also do not give Gibson what he wants.
He tries and fails to get her on earmarks and the bridge to nowhere.
Right_of_Attila on September 12, 2008 at 5:32 PM
What a stupid way to frame a question on earmarks. Why doesn’t Glib-son compare the square mileage of Alaska to Illinois?
gman43 on September 12, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Has Gibson has apologized on air yet for misquoting her prayer for Iraq? Kind of important Charlie since you insisted those were her “exact words”…
Mr_Magoo on September 12, 2008 at 5:32 PM
the more i watch Charlie Gibson the more i want to to smack the stupid look off his face .
Mojack420 on September 12, 2008 at 5:32 PM
LOL at her Hillary comment ….
Just the way she said it. This woman is totally effing with Obama’s head.
CanadianGuy on September 12, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Huffington Post. Palin was right on God Quote it was Charley Gibson who was wrong
Yes they back PALIN. But dont get yor hopes up they launch out later in the gate later on in another feligous based attack
William Amos on September 12, 2008 at 5:32 PM
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/les-misbarack.html
This is actually pretty funny.
Too bad for Team Barack that the revolutionaries lose in Les Mis.
And I am sorry, I have seen Les Mis, read Les Mis, and you Barack Obama are no Jean Val Jean.
Mr. Joe on September 12, 2008 at 5:33 PM
Morris has a bad track record, but his very short-term insticts tend to be reliable.
He is entertaining though.
Sapwolf on September 12, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I’m sure the corporate sponsers of ABC News would enjoy hearing from outraged viewers as well….money speaks across partisan lines.
anniekc on September 12, 2008 at 5:33 PM
The thing is they make her look as ackward as they can with the choppy editing. I would love to see what they cut out. I’m sure it was better without the editing. It really is a travesty.
petunia on September 12, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Objectively, though, that’s not hard.
Entelechy on September 12, 2008 at 5:35 PM
sad thing is ABC has been, barely, the better of the 3 Nets lately.
perhaps Palin should skip NBC and CBS altogether
jp on September 12, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Obama rally in PA gathers 8,000
BTW watch the video on site is worth it
William Amos on September 12, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Re: the Citizens United smackdown video about our past great Presidents compared to Sarah.
That’s not the last time we’re going to see her compared to great Americans of all time. Anyone want to bet that she doesn’t make the Top 10 here the next time this massive poll is taken? She will almost certainly pass Oprah as the greatest American woman. Top 5 is tough to crack, but John McCain might be 6th as President with Sarah 7th.
Top 10 greatest Americans (2005)
1 Ronald Reagan
2 Abraham Lincoln
3 Martin Luther King
4 George Washington
5 Benjamin Franklin
6 George W Bush
7 Bill Clinton
8 Elvis Presley
9 Oprah Winfrey
10 Franklin D Roosevelt
econavenger on September 12, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Sorry that speech was on the 8th of September
William Amos on September 12, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Tommygun, if all immoral jerks were tossed off the air that would leave us with only two hours a day – max.
Virginia Shanahan on September 12, 2008 at 5:38 PM
You give canned answers to canned questions. Thats called smart.
Rick007 on September 12, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Okay- in the interview Gibson tries to nail her on the Bridge to Nowhere, when he says that Palin ONLY killed the bridge AFTER congress pulled the plug on it, AFTER it became apparent that the State was going to have to pay for it, and AFTER it became a national embarrassment.
But then there’s this:
So…..is Gibson lying here?
FiveWays on September 12, 2008 at 5:39 PM
When Morris talks about the Clintons, how they opperate and think he makes sense. But on any other subject he is just a blow hard. He tries to stay relevant but he just isn’t.
petunia on September 12, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Yes but he will get away with it because the TV audience is not the reading audience.
petunia on September 12, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Charlie was a decent morning co-host in his youth but is fast becoming the Dan Rather of ABC – pompous and arrogant (had to laugh when he asked her if accepting the VP slot was hubris – he outa’ know).
Misquoting her on the Iraq prayer and then making an issue of what he assumed was the Holy War quote is as irresponsible as it gets. He should be apologizing to her on the air since he denigrated her on the air.
When you are as enraged inside as the Left is, you cannot see through your own rage. You make mistakes that you might not otherwise make.
Mr_Magoo on September 12, 2008 at 5:41 PM
right2bright on September 12, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Correct. And to build up my earlier point, Morris’ thought that she could even be considered even remotely politically viable should destroy his credibility, as least on long-term, big-picture matters. Get real, Morris.
Tommygun on September 12, 2008 at 5:43 PM
The Clinton machine is alive and well. Bye bye “O” Dumby.
You crossed them and now they are gunning for you.
I love it.
Rick007 on September 12, 2008 at 5:44 PM
FWIW, ABC is now headlining the Hillary quote as BREAKING NEWS, the other stuff not so much. I think that’s a win.
fiatboomer on September 12, 2008 at 5:44 PM
You can’t simply smack that kind of stupid off…..it runs too deep….
FiveWays on September 12, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Man, Gibson was knives out on that deliberate warping of Palin’s quote. Sad. Predictable.
Someone said it pretty well already. This isn’t an interview, it’s a mild inquisition, full of baldfaced gotcha moments worthy of a Ricky Lake episode.
spmat on September 12, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Good point. He would have to correct his remoarks on the air. Never happens anywhere. This stuff gets debunked on sites link Hot Air but never sees the light of day with main stream tv viewing.
Again, excellent – and very frustrating – point. I guess that’s why the created Fox News. Hopefully Hannity will get to correct some of this stuff on the air next week, although Aunt (I’ve been watch ABC, NBC, CBS for years and I’m not about to stop now) Betty probably doesn’t watch Fox.
Mr_Magoo on September 12, 2008 at 5:46 PM
So is Morris now suggesting that Omessiah isn’t going to win? Otherwise, how could Hillary run in 2012?
Kensington on September 12, 2008 at 5:47 PM
the PUMA’s are coming home to ROOST!
jp on September 12, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Charlie’s MSM buddies are gonna be disappointed when he comes home without a gotcha.
lodge on September 12, 2008 at 5:47 PM
God Bless Oklahoma
William Amos on September 12, 2008 at 5:47 PM
He even uses his reading glasses for affect. He could wear progressives or contacts put then he wouldn’t be able to slowly take them off, cock his head to the side and ask, “Are we fighting a Holy War?”
Stupid.
Mr_Magoo on September 12, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Dick “The Toesucker” Morris has a political philosophy of triangulation and seeking the centrist voter, which he leveraged to great success with Bill Clinton. Because McCain genuinely is somewhat of a centrist, he’s a natural fit for a “triangulation” strategy of his own — which is why I like listening to how Morris thinks about positioning McCain. Morris’s strategy would not have worked with Bush v. Gore or Bush v. Kerry, because those were true “liberal vs. conservative” battles where you relied on base turnout more than undecided/centrist/squishy voter conversions. Morris’s commentary, then, should be fairly reliable this year — even if it was not very reliable in the past eight years. You have to have the right political strategist for the right candidate and the right campaign.
What I do not like about Morris is that his deep-seated hatred toward the Clintons continues to cloud his professional judgment. I found his “insight” into the Democratic primaries this year to be useless because of how transparently biased he was against Hillary.
Outlander on September 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM
When Arnold Ziffel sprouts wings.
PS: If I’m wrong, I’ll gladly admit it.
tgharris on September 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Charlie Gibson should be traded to HDNet for Dan Rather. Gibson’s Q Score is going to be horrid after this. He’s unwatchable. Dan Rather is bad but at least he has the corny folksy thing going for entertainment.
Watching Charlie is like watching the dental surgery channel.
econavenger on September 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM
I understand your anger, but the more I watch Charlie Gibson’s treatment of Governor Palin, the more I think he is doing her an enormous favor. He seems to be playing games with her, trying to trick & intimidate her. She seems not at all intimidated and to be a very genuine person. The comparison between the two could not be more dramatic or more to the advantage of the Governor.
Loxodonta on September 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM
“Normandy Invasion?” Was that like before New Wave?
CK MacLeod on September 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM
I just talked to my mom about this interview, and how Charlie Gibson misquoted Palin to her face. She was horrified. She says she is so fired up about how the media is mistreating Palin, that’s she ready to volunteer for her campaign. My mom is so far from being a political creature that it shocked me.
/anecdotal but there you go
scotch amy on September 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM
She’s forthright and direct. That’s what I like about her so much.
She doesn’t stammer and stutter searching for a clever answer like the Obama does. Which is probably why Obama got the softball questions he could answer without a teleprompter.
I hope the American people see past this as what it really is; the MSM in the tank for Obama and disapprovingly, shamelessly discourteous to Palin
Kini on September 12, 2008 at 5:51 PM
All this fretting from the “pundits” online isn’t really the thing to worry about. This is all inside-baseball BS (especially “lipstick on a pig”) for the average person. What they will see is Gibson being a general ass and Sarah handling everything he’s thrown at him.
Haunchie on September 12, 2008 at 5:51 PM
*thrown at her* of course that is…
Haunchie on September 12, 2008 at 5:51 PM
This is going to spotlight Obama’s huge mistake and send his campaign into orbit. A masterful stroke!
petefrt on September 12, 2008 at 5:51 PM
An incredible golfer, took the PGA by storm…
right2bright on September 12, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Palin/Jindal 2012!!!! I feel this thrill going up my leg as I type.
hot-heir on September 12, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Pretty much. The project was started in 2005, before Palin took office. She supported it during her election. After it became a political problem, she did change gears and say that the state would look at cheaper alternatives.
Her motives weren’t as pure as she wants you to believe (cutting pork), but she did end up killing it. End of story.
The $223 million (which hadn’t been previously guaranteed as an earmark and put into future requests) was not requested by Palin and she said to give it to Katrina victims. Congress (yes votes by both Obama and Biden) gave it to Alaska anyways. And it was spent by Alaska.
So the truth is a little more muddled than either side would want you to believe.
But did Palin kill it? Yes
Were her motives to fight pork? No
lorien1973 on September 12, 2008 at 5:53 PM
I think Obama going to see Bill is a pretty good indication that he (Obama) is shaken up. Why else would you ask help from people you know you can’t trust.
On the bright side, I guess Clinton is no longer “playing the race card”….or surely Obama wouldn’t be seeking his help.
tgharris on September 12, 2008 at 5:55 PM
spmat on September 12, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Palin has what it would take to bit@h-slap him, but it’s a one-sided deal still, at least in too many heads–Conservatives have to be nice to the press so they don’t get roasted too badly. That’s what we get for tolerating them for so long.
Tommygun on September 12, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Regarding earmarks, I think it would suit well in the future for Palin to reference the percentage of land in Alaska that is federally owned and add a comment that the development of Alaskan resources is part of her agenda to get Alaska’s dependency on fed dollars down.
But she knows that because I learned it listening to her interviews:) And she may mention it today, we’ll see.
Spirit of 1776 on September 12, 2008 at 5:56 PM
I say, put a set of antlers on him and let him lose on opening day…let’s see him dodge those “comments” out in the open.
right2bright on September 12, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Not surprising. Palin worked personally to get the pipeline approved, and probably knows all the nitty-gritty details about it from memory, and doesn’t need a script. The energy issue is her strong point, and she should hit a home run here.
But even in the foreign-policy part of the interview, she said that she had talked to the President of Georgia (the one south of Russia, not north of Florida). Who said she hadn’t talked to heads of state?
Steve Z on September 12, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Folks no one should be surprised or upset. We all knew this would happen and it will continue. Palin will have to get better at handling it in the future but she has done OK so far. She hasn’t done anything to hurt herself. The drive by media will never give the conservatives a fair shake but its not that big of a deal, we’ve beat them before and we’ll do it again, Americans know better and they see through what Charlie and his cohorts are up to.
Big Orange on September 12, 2008 at 5:59 PM
So Gibson’s distorting the truth as well……nice Obama talking points there Charlie….
FiveWays on September 12, 2008 at 6:03 PM
I’ll give you a croquet mallet; it should take about twenty swings.
Patrick S on September 12, 2008 at 6:04 PM
Sad, but true.
tgharris on September 12, 2008 at 6:05 PM
If she were not on camera under a big spotlight with someone she may have to deal with for years to come, Gibson would be leaving Alaska carrying his broken ego in a small sack. No way she would put up with his thuggish elitism. But she seems to know how to pick her battles.
So it’s OK that we see a more vulnerable human side. Now people will move from political infatuation to a deeper respect of her abilities as an honorable woman who made herself into a killer politician.
econavenger on September 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM
that comment on barack regretting not picking hillary is WOW!
abcnews even has it on top in bold red “breaking news”
venicesurfer on September 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM
I’m glad Gibson gave her a tough and somewhat antagonistic interview. It gave her a chance to show that she can stand up to tough questions.
I have definitely been impressed with how disciplined she is. She was able to stay on message no matter what Charlie threw at her. Well done.
jonezee on September 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM
This is a joke, right? Right??
capitalist piglet on September 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM
My mom-inlaw shared that same sentiment about Gibson and she’s non-political as well, but knows a condescending attitude as demonstrated by Gibson.
Kini on September 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Gag me with a ROTOTILLER. My goodness, that is breathtaking.
capitalist piglet on September 12, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Ask the moms how likely they are now to watch ABC World News with Charlie over the next year.
econavenger on September 12, 2008 at 6:09 PM
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