Whether the animal dies instantly or in pain depends on the accuracy of the hunter, but then, another of my observations is that too many hunters aren’t that careful. They just shoot as best they can, sometimes while excited (buck fever). Anyway, I’ll say it again. I would never stop anyone from hunting. But I’d say that unless you can’t make your way to a grocery store, there isn’t much reason to hunt (which is a dying sport anyway) unless you just enjoy killing an animal.

NNtrancer on September 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM

One thing I’d like to add, PLEASE purchase your animal products from a humane source. There are plenty out there. Here is one that is excellent:

http://www.certifiedhumane.org

“The Certified Humane Raised and Handled program is the only farm animal welfare and food labeling program in the U.S. dedicated to improving the welfare of farm animals from birth through slaughter for the 10 billion farm animals raised for food each year.”

Responsible hunters (of which I used to be one) seem to think the characterization of hunters as drunks who shoot at anything that moves is a lie. Since I’ve experienced it, I doubt that. Obviously, not all hunters are like that, but there are enough of them that as my father said, don’t hunt on public land if you value your life. As for the image of skillfully stalking your prey and dispatching it painlessly, from what I’ve seen, most deer hunters, at least, sit in stands and ambush the animal. Whether the animal dies instantly or in pain depends on the accuracy of the hunter, but then, another of my observations is that too many hunters aren’t that careful. They just shoot as best they can, sometimes while excited (buck fever). Anyway, I’ll say it again. I would never stop anyone from hunting. But I’d say that unless you can’t make your way to a grocery store, there isn’t much reason to hunt (which is a dying sport anyway) unless you just enjoy killing an animal.

That’s People Eating Tasty Animals.

I’m just sayin’

And the the swearing

Shelby on September 13, 2008 at 11:08 PM

Oops.

But my question to you is: why the “Scully” “Scully” “Scully” feedback loop? Is there something we should take away about *Scully* per se, other than the fact that he’s written a book you’re fond of, about a subject you’re fond of?

RD on September 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM

You could take away the FACT that not all conservatives are merciless towards God’s creatures.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/the_party_of_genuine_tolerance.html

You wanted Scully’s association to McClellan? There it is.

Neither of them can or should be trusted by Any Conservative.

Scully writes nice speeches. Great.

Let him write the speeches, but otherwise, keep him the hell out of the loop!

Ps. Btw, Scully sure seems to have some anger and language issues. Don’t ya’ think?

Eh, maybe a quick trip over to Oprah or Dr. Phil will teach him to “manage” them.

Teddy on September 13, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Teddy boy, where to start????

Well, first off trying to cite an extreme right-wing news source that probably gets paid quite well by the NRA for advertisements, etc, is absurd! I am an independent–your trying to convince me with an extreme right mag is akin to me directing you to PETA’s website!

And the article you cited has many errors. There are body builders and triathlon athletes that are vegetarian or vegan and they are quite strong and healthy. More healthy than, say, Tim Russert, oh yeah, he’s gone from a heart attack…too many hamburgers.

I did not see Matt Scully mention F**k one single time, but you did twice in one post! So, who’s got the good Repub morals going on, huh?

And I wanted to ask, are you the head of the NRA? You seem very defensive so I would not be surprised if this were the case!

Keep trying to convince yourselves how swell you are. You hunters are just adorable bullies aren’t ya?

Anchorage Daily News
Caribou slaughter leaves calves stranded

Published: July 29th, 2008

”Hunters from the villages of Point Hope and Kivalina are suspected of massacring more than 100 caribou and leaving at least half of them to rot on the tundra earlier this month, according to Alaska Wildlife Troopers.

Calves were left stranded, some still trying to suckle milk from the decomposing cows two weeks after the slaughter.”

There is a photo at the Anchorage Daily News of a caribou calf as it stands by its DEAD MOTHER! SICK! SICK! SICK!

http://www.adn.com/wildlife/story/478088.html

And the the swearing

Shelby on September 12, 2008 at 11:16 PM
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Shelby on September 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Finally! A thread where at least one theme of your Scully spam (i.e., hunting animals) is actually on-topic. Unlike the other 18 threads where you posted almost the same opening blurb, OT.

But my question to you is: why the “Scully” “Scully” “Scully” feedback loop? Is there something we should take away about *Scully* per se, other than the fact that he’s written a book you’re fond of, about a subject you’re fond of?

Thanks, again, Teddy boy. Good read–loved it!

Shelby on September 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Oh, you’re quite welcome Shelby. My pleasure.

Here’s another article mentioning Scully that you also might enjoy, so-called “spin” not included.

So whatever else you might say about Matthew Scully, he’s got his priorities straight.

Imagine Democrats of such divergent views collaborating. I can’t. A big tent indeed.

Yet her speech writer regards the NRA as: “the powerful, selfish National Rifle Association with its brutal lobbying tactics.

You would have to search the Washington offices of the American Civil Liberties Union,” he writes, “to find a more truculent and sanctimonious group of people – or for that matter to find grievances less deserving of serious attention.”

Governor Palin’s speech writer, Matthew Scully, quotes Diane Feinstein for some of the above and boasts that he fully agrees with one of America’s most vociferous gun-grabbers and most influential Democrats.

SO brutal, that NRA… I’m getting the vapors.

Republican speechwriter Matthew Scully denounces the sport of hunting as “a debauchery..an abomination!”

In his book, Governor Palin’s speechwriter denounces hunters as: “assassins … miscreants… bullies and cowards taking out their problems on animals.”

Hunting magazines are “the pornography of blood-lust. And like other obscenities today, a multi-million dollar industry…. Sport hunters operate in a subculture like pornographers.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/the_party_of_genuine_tolerance.html

You wanted Scully’s association to McClellan? There it is.

Neither of them can or should be trusted by Any Conservative.

Scully writes nice speeches. Great.

Let him write the speeches, but otherwise, keep him the hell out of the loop!

Ps. Btw, Scully sure seems to have some anger and language issues. Don’t ya’ think?

Eh, maybe a quick trip over to Oprah or Dr. Phil will teach him to “manage” them.

Teddy on September 13, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Great article, Teddy! I hadn’t read it before. The article is so good that I am reposting the link, starting at page 1, versus yours that begins at page 2 and from which you did your little spin.

Thanks, again, Teddy boy. Good read–loved it!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50367-2004May23.html

So to Matt Scully, I say, either be a damn Conservative or yak-yak to the MSM about those “gentle” hunting kills, and about how the assault weapons ban should’ve been reinstated by BusHitler, etc. But you Cannot be or do both.

In other words, Matt, Either F**k The Libs or F**k Yourself, as far as I’m concerned!

Teddy on September 13, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Wow, Teddy…an impressive display of anger management and decency there with the language! Isn’t that what you’d expect from the libs???!!!

And even though you sound like you would rather drink a gallon of lead-based paint than to admit that there are conservatives that DO CARE ABOUT ANIMAL WELFARE, too bad, your angry and extreme attitude is not that of the majority of the US.

Seek help, Teddy.

I don’t see your logic. Matthew Scully left the White House to write a book about the need for man to be merciful to animals.

Please explain the Scully/McClellan association.

Shelby on September 13, 2008 at 12:42PM

No Problem, Shelby.

“Scully is saying we should exercise gentle dominion over animals,” Francione said.

“He’s saying let rich people eat meat and poor people eat tofu. I find that argument totally obnoxious…It’s an elitist position but it fits perfectly with a guy who’s Bush’s speechwriter.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50367-2004May23_2.html

You see, the “compassionate” conservative doesn’t register with LibRats no matter How hard Repubs try to send the message!

Just ask Dubya.

So to Matt Scully, I say, either be a damn Conservative or yak-yak to the MSM about those “gentle” hunting kills, and about how the assault weapons ban should’ve been reinstated by BusHitler, etc. But you Cannot be or do both.

In other words, Matt, Either F**k The Libs or F**k Yourself, as far as I’m concerned!

First, you need to check out this in depth piece by Mary Katherine Ham about the true origins of the hunting they are misrepresenting in the ad. If you don’t see the bias and slime after that then you really need to get some professional help.

I dunno….there have been plenty of pics of Palinn with dead moose…and her numbers are still good
LimeyGeek on September 12, 2008 at 3:45 PM

True, but I think most folks tend to anthropomorphize animals higher up on the food chain. Wolves (predators) are more intelligent than moose (prey).
And, there’s a difference between seeing/accepting an animal that is already dead and connecting a living, running, howling animal to its death.

I think these sorts of images, whether they be in nature programs or a TV ad, are very powerful. That’s why they are an effective fundraising tool for environmentalist organizations.
I’m not defending this ad, just saying I think it could be effective with some people.
Y-not on September 12, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Agreed Y-not. Watching that ad of the wolf being shot from the plane and then struggling in the bloody snow as it dies, WILL BE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE FOR THOSE IN THE MIDDLE, such as myself!

I’m a Palin fan but, in truth, the hunting aspect is the one facet of her life style I couls do without.

jeanie on September 13, 2008 at 10:41 AM

I think this will bother a lot of independents and others.

Pilot here, so wrong guess. More likely savagery

Again, not against controlling the wolf population, just against the method, which is very cruel.
Entelechy on September 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Yes. From watching the ad, one can definitely see it is beyond cruel to kill animals this way.

I have nothing to say to Matt Scully, Shelby.

He can go play Pitch & Catch with Scott McClellan.

Teddy on September 13, 2008 at 1:09 AM

I don’t see your logic. Matthew Scully left the White House to write a book about the need for man to be merciful to animals. Scott McClellan is a loser who wrote a negative book about the Bush administration for profit. Please explain the Scully/McClellan association.

The goal of a true hunter is the embodiment of why God supposedly put us above animals… to be stewards of such resources. As hunters, we detest waste, we want clean, quick, and efficient kills, and we want to maintain the levels of critters of which we want to eat so that it’s a perpetual harvest for generations to follow. Although the media loves to portray us as drunken hillbillies that will shoot at anything that moves just to get a thrill, it’s completely not true. We respect the land and it’s inhabitants by ensuring that the balance is maintained while reaping the rewards of many good meals depending on what is being harvested. The thrill for many of us hunters is being skillful enough to successfully take down our prey by knowing how to track an animal, knowing how animals behave, and how to properly kill them in the most humane and least possible means. I think I can safely say all this for most hunters without blurring the details.
I don’t think true hunters want an animal to suffer, and having to track an animal a long distance is not only inconvenient, it’s potentially wasteful in the event Bambi escapes us. I know when I kill an animal, I don’t like thinking of it suffering, I like thinking of it as Bambi enjoying a nice patch of clover as it’s last thought.
Everything liberals throw out there for us hunters does more harm than good. Munching on granola and tofu may come easy for them, they don’t actually have to earn their meals so to speak. So by this, they think they can save one animal out of benevolence, yet their shortsightedness may lead to a spread of disease, starvation, personal property damage, and unbalanced populations that ensure trouble. They claim to be so in touch with the earth, yet they have no clue as to how it is run, or man’s proper place in it. Species of animals are becoming extinct because liberals refuse to be extinct themselves, and that is the true crime against nature.
Honoris Causa…

We don’t have to add to nature’s cruelty.

Entelechy on September 12, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Yeah, entelechy – wait till a deer comes through YOUR windshield. Where I live despite hunting, the deer population is exploding and has been for about 30 years. That’s because the deer like the new habitat – subdivisions. Plenty of shrubbery to eat year round. They adapt quite well. And some of the animal rights nuts around here are trying to get the government (taxpayers) to pay for birth control for the deer. On the other hand, the hunters pay to hunt and a good many of them donate their kills to local homeless shelters. So everybody benefits including the deer.
And btw – humans by their very nature are cruel so dont try pulling THAT crap about adding to cruelty.

He can go play Pitch & Catch with Scott McClellan.

Suck It PETA!

Teddy on September 13, 2008 at 12:00 AM

So, what do you have to say to Matt Scully?

Do we really want a Vice President who champions such savagery?

Governor Palin thinks that abortion is savagery. I guess that’s a priority thing.