Great news: Time for another thinly veiled pro-amnesty ad from McCain
posted at 4:04 pm on September 12, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Writes Kaus of the Spanish-language spot I posted earlier, “Would McCain ever run this ad in English?” Answer: Yeah, maybe, judging by this new one. The rhetoric from the Spanish-language clip about who’s “on the side” of illegals is dropped but the Orwellian habit of referring to “immigrants” instead of “illegal immigrants” is thoughtfully retained, as are the trademark McCain aspersions cast on the motives of amnesty opponents. Quote: “Whether from Italy, Ireland, Mexico, or the Far East, too often, new immigrants have been treated as objects of fear, instead of symbols of hope.” Which, of course, explains why most people who fought his comprehensive piece of shinola bill last year still support legal immigration, including from Mexico. Hey, Maverick? Not one more dime.
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reversed the quote part and the ‘me’ part, but you catch me Drift……
Janos Hunyadi on September 12, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Hold still foot. I’m not sure about his aim.
oakpack on September 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Were it not for Gov. Palin, I would not back this ticket.
madmonkphotog on September 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM
The only thing I’m sure of at this time is that there is absolutely no chance that I would even so much as consider voting for Obama.
That’s a damn shame, isn’t it ?
tomk59 on September 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM
We can solve the illegal immigration problem almost immediately: Start to prosecute the employers of illegals, and give those employers heavy fines and jail time.
Illegals who can’t find work, will self-deport.
This will also help our economy as it will free up jobs for citizens. The problem then will be to get our countrymen to do those jobs. I’d love to go to a McDonald’s and order from an English speaker.
Special Forces Grunt on September 12, 2008 at 5:08 PM
What an interesting post about legal immigration which everybody is for right? The truth is that legal immigration is too high as well and needs to be curtailed.
DFCtomm on September 12, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Palin is the only reason he has a chance.
I will forego the get drunk and vote mccain and tell myself I am voting for Palin and hopefully she will be who I think she is despite mccains stain after his administration!
America1st on September 12, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Ditto that. Who on EARTH agrees with 100% of the candidate’s position? For Heaven’s sake, people, use your whole brain and choose the most important battle. You’ll notice there’s no amnesty now, right? We beat it back and we can do it again. CHOOSE the right fight now.
I choose: Against Obama, united with everything we’ve got NOW and fight the individual battles through our Congressmen once we’ve won.
tree hugging sister on September 12, 2008 at 5:09 PM
HEY DUMBASSES–He wants to win New Mexico. I am less freaked out about a McCain partial forgiveness to illegals provided we throw the criminals out and tie it to agressive enforcement. But you know something, if McCain-Palin has coattails, you can elect conservatives to congress to keep Mac honest.
Mr. Joe on September 12, 2008 at 5:11 PM
McCain didn’t raise the issue Obama did yesterday, and this is McCains unfortunate reply.
DFCtomm on September 12, 2008 at 5:11 PM
McCain has got to be the 2nd dumbest man in America (Ted Thompson of the Green Bay Packers is the first). Riding high on Palinmania and this seems like the time to roll out an ad for this crap?! Come on!
woodman on September 12, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Oh come on this ad is no big deal. Some people are way too sensitive here.
What he says about immigrants in the past is true, from the Know Nothing party to the quotas of the 20’s and 30’s.
Have we gotten to the place that any reference to immigrants has to be code for illegals and so it all has to be negative?
Mountain out of mole hill.
Terrye on September 12, 2008 at 5:20 PM
That’s McCain. That’s the way he has always been. You feel good one minute because he takes a stand on the right side of an issue, but then he comes back to punch us in the gut on something else.
At least he’s drop the cap-and-trade global climate mumbo jumbo, right? I don’t remember seeing in the Repub platform.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 12, 2008 at 5:22 PM
It is so, Joe, but McCain ‘platforming’ this issue in this fashion makes electing more conservative to Congress more difficult–by demoralizing some conservatives into sitting out the election.
Obama is the Queen of Keeping Quiet about the dozens of issue poistions he has which he knows are not popular outisde of Kos-land. You can always learn from the enemy……
Janos Hunyadi on September 12, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Yeah, I’m with the guy above. This is brillant! Perhaps the best ad McCain has made yet.
Look, if we win New Mexico IT’S ALL OVER!!!
Everybody is so focused on Ohio. We’re gonna win Ohio. Every single poll in the last 2 to 3 weeks has McCain comfortably ahead in Ohio.
Michigan, yeah, be nice if we won that state, and we can.
But it’s New Mexico that’s the tie breaker.
I’d tell McCain/Palin to campaign their asses off in NM, and do WHATEVER they need too to win the state, including reaching out to Hispanics with such ads.
ericdondero on September 12, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Just sent the following to RNC:
Mike,
I was about to contribute to the RNC after contributing to the McCain account prior to the cut off.
Than I saw the new McCain spot on immigration.
Than I got mad.
Than I slammed my checkbook closed.
I’m Larry and I approved this ad.
LCL4 on September 12, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Where McCain is concerned the answer is yes. We have reached that place. Most people know what he stands for, and are going to get drunk and vote for him anyway. Conservatives, at this point, just want him to shut up, and he’s even to stupid to do that.
DFCtomm on September 12, 2008 at 5:29 PM
“I believe all immigrants are symbols of hope”
Immigrant Symbols of Hope
1. Link 1
2. Link 2
3. Link 3
4. Link 4
5. Link 5
6. Link 6
7. Link
truthmattersfa on September 12, 2008 at 5:30 PM
I agree with McCain on one thing in this ad: we need an immigration plan that is fair to everyone. And there is nothing fair about giving automatic z-visas and a “path to citizenship” to tens of millions of illegal aliens who have flaunted their contempt for U.S. laws by crossing our borders illegally, or by illegally remaining in the U.S. after their student/tourist/other visas expired.
Rewarding people for breaking our laws is idiotic public policy, and only guarantees that millions more foreigners will continue to come here illegally in the expectation that they too will be rewarded for doing so. The amnesty bill that Reagan signed in the 1980’s was foolish and counterproductive, and another amnesty bill (regardless of what’s it’s called) will be even more foolish and counterproductive.
The only “fair” solution to our current illegal immigration problem is to require all illegal aliens currently in the U.S. to return to their country of origin, apply for a visa there, and wait their turn — in their own country, like all those other foreigners who’ve played by the rules and are currently awaiting visas to come here legally.
AZCoyote on September 12, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Short memory, McCain?
Try it and we’ll take you down like the last time, you stubborn hardheaded cluck.
Amnesty? Try it!
Cap and Trade? Try it!
Sumrica on September 12, 2008 at 5:31 PM
You may have hit upon the strategy here. Let’s suppose for a moment the reason for McCain to bring this up is really to draw out the Obama position statement and anti-McCain immigration reform ad. At which time Johnny hammers him. If you are correct about Obama staying quiet on many issues because he doesn’t want to talk about them, then drawing him out is a good strategy. Force him to talk about something he doesn’t want to.
BobMbx on September 12, 2008 at 5:34 PM
This is how he should answer the immigration problem.
No I don’t have a solution right now, not until I get into the White House, and talk to my counterparts.
This is such an important issue, it has to be bi-partisan. If I just spout out now what my feelings are, it means shutting out some of my most trusted friends. This is one issue I will take to the people, congress, Senate, and reach into every corner, across every aisle, across the border and come up with a solution that is equatable to all. We, together, will create an comprehensive immigration plan that will strengthen the U.S., strengthen the borders, and be equitable to all. This is too important of a decision for one man to make, this is where McCain and Palin will show the nation we mean what we say when we state we will reach out to everyone, everyone, in the important decisions.
right2bright on September 12, 2008 at 5:35 PM
“Fair to everyone” includes the LEGAL CITIZENS you freaking fool.
America1st on September 12, 2008 at 5:36 PM
DF:
No, not where McCain is concerned, but where anyone is concerned who does not sound like Tom Tancredo. The other guy is definitely more liberal on this issue and some folks are acting as if any reference to immigrants that does not insult every hispanic in the country is pandering.
Not one more dime.
Fine, but if hardliners walk away from the GOP over some silly ad like this and refuse to vote Republican I will make a point of never giving a damn what they say again.
This is a national election and this one issue, my way or the highway crap needs to stop. We all have an issue that is more important to us than some others, but there are times when that stuff needs to take a back seat. And if there are people who can not do that, then that means the rest of us can not count on them.
So maybe McCain is not the stupid one. He just knows that alienating 80% of the hispanics in this country to try and satisfy people who will probably never be satisfied is not going to help him or any other Republican win.
Now this is just one ad in a long campaign. People need to grow up.
Terrye on September 12, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Oh you’ve fallen into the trap. The sleight-of-hand at work here has been to redefine those who are against illegal immigration as against immigration. Which allows the bigotry, etc crap. The reference to immigrants in general is just a redefinition tool. He means illegals.
Spirit of 1776 on September 12, 2008 at 5:39 PM
You’re wrong on that point. Do you think Mexico is really interested in a solution that is equatable for the U.S.? Mexico if fanatic about resisting U.S. influence, but were going to consult with them about our border and immigration policy???
DFCtomm on September 12, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Time for a holding of noses. At least with Palin on the ticket, it’s an investment in the future.
petefrt on September 12, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Spirit:
No, the slight of hand of hand is to create a situation in which anything other than other than walking the hardliner line is pro illegal immigration. They get to set the boundaries and make the rules, everyone else including John McCain can follow the rules or be dismissed as amnesty shills out of hand. There is no debate, no discussion and no difference of opinion allowed.
Terrye on September 12, 2008 at 5:46 PM
The M82 Barret can reach across the border. Way across.
BobMbx on September 12, 2008 at 5:46 PM
I may be the only one here with direct experience in the legal immigration maze. It’s awful. I think people immigrate illegally in large part because it is nearly impossible to do so legally, even with good lawyers and lots of money. The regs are so convoluted, the communication so bad, and the loops so persistently left unclosed that the odds of going through the process without violating a law at some point are slim. And I am speaking as one of the people the US tries to import, i.e. foreign trained professionals. So, many people, especially those without sought-after qualifications, don’t even try.
The solution:
If you would make the legal process cheap, available, and transparent, I suspect most immigrants (including those already in the US illegally) would use it.
Your problem:
Whether you do or not, illegal immigrants are in the US to stay. What would you do about it? Deport them all? To where? Large numbers of them won’t survive if you just dump them across the border in Mexico. These are people, and legal or not you have to try to help them.
I think McCain has this right, and I don’t see why it works against him. I also think he supports it on principle rather than politics.
Gaunilon on September 12, 2008 at 5:47 PM
The other guy is definitely more liberal on this issue and some folks are acting as if any reference to immigrants that does not insult every hispanic in the country is pandering.
Specifically running ads about legislation for which 80% of those directly affected by it are of one ethnicity (Hispanic) is called pandering. Welcome to the game.
We all have an issue that is more important to us than some others,
Yes, and the problem is that our issue (illegal immigration and the amnesty bill) would have a larger impact on the country than pretty much almost any other issue out there. It would totally bankrupt our social services (Medicare/SS #, Medicaid) for starters. Not to mention create 10+ million new people to vote for Democrats. And of course provide the incentive for millions of other illegal immigrants to come here. That’s the problem. Except for terrorism, this IS the most important issue to the future existence of the US.
truthmattersfa on September 12, 2008 at 5:48 PM
petefrt,
If McCain’s amnesty goes through, there soon will not be enough votes to elect conservatives because conservative votes will be overwhelmed by the socialist votes of the new citizens. An investment in the future is to oppose a pathway to citizenship and oppose McCain.
Vote for Palin after we get rid of McCain.
Thresher on September 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Whether you do or not, illegal immigrants are in the US to stay. What would you do about it? Deport them all? To where? Large numbers of them won’t survive if you just dump them across the border in Mexico. These are people, and legal or not you have to try to help them.
We’ve been over this 100 times in here (go look at the thread from earlier today on McCain’s spanish language ad) but I’ll go over it for the 101st. Short answer. Those that are here will leave on their own once they can not get a job/work. This is already happening. We also start with deporting the roughly 2 million criminal illegal aliens in jails/prisons across the US. Slowly but surely they will leave or they will be arrested at worksite raids and then deported. This is going to take time, probably 5,10, 15 years.
truthmattersfa on September 12, 2008 at 5:51 PM
I’m not speaking about others. I’m speaking of Sen McCain. He and his 24 hr background check, his z-visa, his “this is a day one issue for my administration” is speaking about a finding a solution to illegal immigration. He isn’t trying to reform our immigration system, he’s trying to take what is outside immigration system and integrate it.
He frames opposition to this plan as opposition to immigration, but it’s not.
Spirit of 1776 on September 12, 2008 at 5:54 PM
America needs new Catholic (Latino) immigrants. They are needed as a counterbalance to the blacks and the arabs. What is worrying though is the islamic horde that is trying to occupy and subvert the entire West and make it into their own caliphate slavestate.
JC Silverberg on September 12, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Oh, noes…
McCain-derangement took a vacation for a while…but it’s baaaack…
JetBoy on September 12, 2008 at 5:56 PM
I keep looking for the /sarc tag…
JetBoy on September 12, 2008 at 5:58 PM
I believe John McCain really means well when he talks of Amnesty for Illigals. He has a view that the American way of life “Capitalism and Bill of Rights” should be shared with all in the world. The problem is that he is disconnected with the difference between Illigals and Legals. Sure we love our immigrants but we usually have a process called Naturalization that is undermined by those who wish to create shortcuts to Citizenship, Line cutters are never tolerated. Many of the Illegals hold no ideological virtuous views of the United States and treat us like a free lunch for their families back home. Taxes and benefits typically end up in Mexico. For those who want to be real Citizens then it becomes a problem but America is not in need of more unskilled uneducated workers we have plenty, we need skilled and educated workers, these are the ones who move things forward and always have.
Egfrow on September 12, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Does John really have to leave such a bitter after taste?
Does he realize how easy it is to spend every bit of political capital on the fury any kind of perceived amnesty would be?
Speakup on September 12, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Come to Texas and see the invasion.
Johan Klaus on September 12, 2008 at 6:04 PM
I have got no problem with blacks or latino immigrants; just lawbreakers.
Johan Klaus on September 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Here’s hoping you is correct, Bob. McCain’s campaign does seem to be smart–smart and QUICK. Quick enough to overcome the ‘Quickness Gap’ in effect since Clinton in 1992
Sometimes, though, people can outsmart themselves……..
Janos Hunyadi on September 12, 2008 at 6:15 PM
They came from somewhere. They didn’t just transport in from Uranus. Dumping them on Mexico? Isn’t that what Mexico is doing to us? Friggin exporting 20-25% of its population into the US becuase it’s too corrupt to care about it’s own citizens.
You are the problem. You like to walk around, strutting and braying about how much you care for other people, and how we here in the US have it so good, and so much of it, what’s our problem with giving it away? Just how much of “yours” have you given away? How much of “mine” do you want to give away?
I don’t care about the folks in Mexico who there right now. Why would I care about them after they sneak in? I don’t share your liberal bullshit ideology. I’m busy taking care of my own family. No one else matters. Period.
Beggars. Bums. Debtors. Leeches. These are words that used to describe people we now call un-documented workers. They are harsh words. But they are also appropriate. I don’t feel guilty in the least about absolutely ignoring the clouds of illegals that float around my town looking for some cash. You can’t drive a pickup here. Every time you pull into a shopping center parking lot you feel like you’ve entered a third world country. They surround you as you pull into a parking place hoping to be picked for some labor. I’ve seen fist fights right in front of my truck, fighting to be the first get in the back. Then, once they figure out I’m going shopping for some groceries, they toss these looks at you that seem to say “f**k you, gringo”. It’s real pleasant when your wife is accosted like this almost everyday.
So, Gaunilon, why don’t you and John McCain come to my town, pick up your buds, and take them home with you. That way you can be sure they’re getting the care they so deserve.
BobMbx on September 12, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Thanks for taking a strong stand against the piece of shinola bill that would have lowered crime in my neighborhood, raised wages for low-skill jobs, and given Republicans leverage to finally do something about securing the border.
RightOFLeft on September 12, 2008 at 6:18 PM
When he gets into office, he’ll claim mandate–even though he and HBO share this issue. We may not be able to “beat it back” since most of the political class is for it, and they’ll be “bulletproof” for two years.
It’s amusing how this idiot can let the air out of his tires just as fast as Palin is trying to inflate them, on his behalf. It also proves he hasn’t “learned” from the recent outcry of the American people. He’s just another ornery, old politician who’s going to protect us from ourselves–the law be damned.
Many illegals are already “self-deporting,” fortunately. If he shrinks the size of government (which I doubt), then the economy will start to grow again like gangbusters, and the flow will resume and we’ll have to take it as a symptom of our success until we can get someone with real brains about this issue.
BTW, I am against legal immigration, too. There was an article on National review a few months ago that said that ll the problems with illegal immigration apply to legal immigration, as well: crime, disease, cost, etc. But the final argument to be made in favor of legal immigration is that it’s legal. McCain is a fool to espouse a policy of undercutting the very legal system to which he has contributed for most of his career.
urbancenturion on September 12, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Foolishness. Suppose a small child walks up to you while you are in a restaurant and clearly expects you to take care of him. His parents are evidnetly not around, and have dumped him to let someone else bear the responsibility. If you take care of the kid and don’t find the parents and force them to accept their responsibility–one way or another (fines, jail, etc.)–then you allow them to do this and they and others will make this a practice and there will be a lot of kids running around with parents who can’t, or possibly shouldn’t, be taking care of them.
If we force Mexico to take them back, then their social/political system will have to come to terms. As it is, you essentially advocate letting the kleptocracy that is Mexico remain and fester, trying to metastacize in our southwest. Good job.
urbancenturion on September 12, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Yeah, but what about Showtime.
wise_man on September 12, 2008 at 6:29 PM
That was the absolute truth. Thank you.
RightOFLeft on September 12, 2008 at 6:31 PM
We need to elect conservatives down ticket The 2008 Republican Platform gives us some reassurance that McCain would not get a rubber stamp on amnesty. O gives no reassurance.
http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/NationalSecurity.htm
Scroll down to the immigration portion of the platform
Pat in NC on September 12, 2008 at 6:37 PM
By John McCain’s McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill, by his McCain/Feingold anti free speech bill, by his Al Gore Global Warming worship, by his Gang of Fourteen, by his “My freinds” snicker, by his “FUC# you, I know more than anyone else in this room!” by his sardonic smile – By each of these things the man’s calling is plainly revealed. That all united should fail to enlighten the competent inquirer is almost inconceivable.
semloh on September 12, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Excellent reasons to vote for the other republican in the primary, and not McCain, semloh! You so awesome!!
And for your next trick, are you going to tell us your prediction to last week’s lottery numbers? Cause that would be equally awesome, too!!!
wise_man on September 12, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Illegal aliens are criminals.
Allahpundit is right to cover this, when so many are still hepped up on their Palin fix.
AP: thank you, thats good blogging right there.
aengus on September 12, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Yup. Palin is a drug. Like heroin.
wise_man on September 12, 2008 at 7:22 PM
My comment was referring to a post by Allahpundit the other day where he said he was giving commenters their “Palin fix”. No one objected at the time.
This drug terminology is often used at Hot Air (i.e. “I need my Steyn fix”) which is why I used the phrase in a derogatory fashion.
aengus on September 12, 2008 at 7:27 PM
The world population will be as high as 13 billion by 2067 according to some experts. Where does your compassion end? I imagine it ends when your up to your ears in illegals, and not when we’re up to our ears. I can’t believe so many people have forgotten what they learned in swimming class, and that, if you let him, a drowning man will take you down with him.
DFCtomm on September 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM
what was that about ‘old dogs’ and ‘new tricks?’ McCain is what he is, and though many hope for better, different, or new, he’s not going to change now. The same old McLame, McAmnesty, McSame, etc. He is invariant, immutable, everlasting. He’s a political stone.
trailboss on September 12, 2008 at 8:23 PM
80+% OF ALL AMERICANS WANT STRICT ENFORCEMENT OF OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS. THIS ELECTION IS YOURS TO LOSE, SENATOR!
AmericanDad on September 12, 2008 at 8:45 PM
“The world population will be as high as 13 billion by 2067 according to some experts. Where does your compassion end?” -DFCtomm
Population, at least in North America, is about to shrink drastically over the next 30 years as the largest generation dies with no comparable replacement. You are going to see major problems from this. Labor shortages will lead to infrastructure and logistics breakdowns in some areas. Western Europe is already facing this problem since their replacement levels are even lower than ours; their solution has been to try to promote immigration. The immigrants have largely come from trouble spots around the globe, leading to all kinds of new problems. You are very lucky that yours are mostly poor people willing from Mexico willing to work hard for a better life.
Now. You will need every pair of hands you can get as other world powers assert themselves, the next pandemic hits, etc. I suggest you stop worrying about too many people and be thankful for each person around you. Your childrens’ survival (if a population bomb believer is even bothering to reproduce) will depend on them.
I’m a Christian, like John McCain and Sarah Palin. We do not believe that “no one else matters” -BobmBX or that it is ok to sacrifice others for oneself. That is the argument of the Left, used to justify everything from abortion to leaving Iraq behind in shambles. Dropping millions of illegal immigrants back in Mexico with the attitude “their infrastructure will just have to handle it” and then watching as half die from starvation is not acceptable.
And yes, ‘urbancenturion’, if a child walks up to me in a restaurant and needs help, I damn well have a responsibility to provide it as best I can.
Be a man. Protect those weaker than yourself.
Gaunilon on September 12, 2008 at 9:03 PM
A serious debilitating McCain stroke next May would be enough to save us.
bill30097 on September 12, 2008 at 9:26 PM
The Mexicans are here to help. I feel relieved. I found a few quotes from Hispanic leaders about the help their offering.
Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets; “Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die . . . Through love of having children, we are going to take over.
Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General , “We are practicing ‘La Reconquista’ in California.”
Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas; “We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population . . . I love it. They are shitting in their pants with fear. I love it.”
With friends like these who needs enemies.
You have it wrong they want to sacrifice you to save themselves.
DFCtomm on September 12, 2008 at 9:29 PM
So far I’ve been happy with Palin but I have no idea whether or not she supports US sovereignty. If not, my interest in her will be over.
FloatingRock on September 12, 2008 at 9:32 PM
This view of McCains is the piss in the Cheerios.
Geronimo on September 12, 2008 at 9:37 PM
So, what time do you plan to arrive in my town to pick up a load of illegals? I’ll give you a map if you need one.
What about “dropping millions of illegals” into the US? Do we ever get consideration? What about our infrastructure? Our economy? Our culture?
I’m really just about full of people who just don’t get it. When you fly on an airplane, and the flight attendants give the safety brief, does it bother you that they instruct healthy adults to put the oxygen mask on themselves first, then help others who might need assistance? Have you ever thought about why they do that? In case you haven’t, I’ll tell you: If you need oxygen, so does the guy next to you. If you fumble around trying to put a mask on someone else first, you may lose conciousness before you can get your (or the other persons) mask on. Then you both may die.
I’m gonna take care of me and mine first. If there should be something left over, then I’ll consider spreading the wealth. Does that make me selfish? Or is it the American way? I am a capitalist, and very pragmatic about problem solving. Problems don’t get solved by consensus or ensuring no one gets the feelings hurt, or fairness. They are solved by identifying the cause and instituting measures to eliminate that cause. That sounds Draconian, but sometimes it’s required. When problems are stroked and massaged and diddled around with for long periods, they become engrained and quite difficult to excise. This is what leads to the belief that it’s just too hard to remove all the illegals. It is not too hard. We’ve just become accustomed to living with the problem instead of solving it. We make up scenarios that portend an even worse outcome if we try to solve the problem (Mexico can’t handle it’s own people) to justify inaction. If Mexico can’t take care of it’s own population, and there is apparently some sort of government-cide occuring down there, aren’t we, as Christians, obligated to end the oppression and allow the Mexican ex-patriots to return to their homeland and live the life they deserve? Does regime change sound appropriate? How about sanctions?
Charity has limits.
I love this part. What this really means, when you get right down to it’s physical implementation, is “C’mon Bob, work for yourself and then work some more for somebody else!” Your suggestion to protect those weaker than I is answered by this: I pay close to $6k a year into SSA alone, supposedly for my social security after I retire. I know full well that won’t see a dime of SSA entitlements, after having paid into it all of my life. I, by proxy, have protected “Those weaker than me” by donating my entire SSA contributions to them. I hope they enjoyed themselves as a result of my labor.
BobMbx on September 12, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Yep. I’ve said that to every GOP fundraising letter I’ve gotten since the amnesty debacle itself.
I’m glad McCain threw this out there. Maybe a few people will sober up off the Palin giddiness. A lot of supporters are trying to white wash McCain’s history by conflating Palin’s beliefs with what direction McCain’s administration will take. Ha ha. Her being a conservative doesn’t make a whole lot of difference. McCain is the one who will set the agenda. Anybody know what Dick Cheney’s position on amnesty is? I don’t. Because it doesn’t matter. George Bush wanted it. And so does good old Backdoor John. My worry is he is going to send Palin out to sell it to the rubes; and later, when it all starts getting really ugly, come 2012, the angry electorate isn’t going to remember the 76 year old RINO jacka** cruising off to retirement in Arizona; we’re going to remember Palin selling us McCain’s load of sh*t on this issue.
Nothing has changed with McCain. Palin’s nomination wasn’t the bestowing of a legacy to the conservatives; it was cynical political maneuver to shore up his base. And it worked beautifully. Now that he has the angry children snoopy dancing in the corner, thinking that they matter, he can go back to his ‘legacy’ issue: big a** amnesty. Cap and trade soon to follow? And how is Gramnesty doing in the Senate with his ‘killing the drilling’ compromise? McCain, the gift that keeps on giving to even the most jaded cynic. Think I’ll go work on a new campaign song…maybe a little Ebony and Ivory?
Amnesty and Sarah P…
fit together in perfect HARMONY
side by side in my Oval Office, oh Lord, why don’t we?
We all know that bigots are the same wherever we go…
there is good and bad..in the GOP.
We’ll throw them out..let them shout in silence..
and we’ll open the gates..and fill up the states…
It still needs some work but I’ll have it ready by election day.
austinnelly on September 12, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I don’t have to help anyone who breaks into my house.
Johan Klaus on September 12, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Amen from Texas, where we have been invaded. We cannot leave our house without fear of a buglary or being hit by an illegal with no insurance and who obeys no traffic laws.
Johan Klaus on September 12, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Shut Up John!!! Palin is winning me over… keep your yap shut or you’ll lose my vote yet!!
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 12, 2008 at 11:33 PM
My thoughts exactly. And to think I was JUST starting to believe McAmnesty had forgotten about this issue. If he doesn’t shut his yap, I’ll be voting 3rd party yet. We beat amnesty before and we’ll beat it again. What a shame that he still doesn’t ‘get it’. Sigh…
Livefreeordie on September 12, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Her selection was a good move. His mouth and immigration policy pushes me away. I still might not vote for them.
Zorro on September 13, 2008 at 12:15 AM
“I don’t have to help anyone who breaks into my house.” – Johan Klaus
That depends on the circumstances. What if they broke in because they’re starving and need food? Or because it’s 40 below outside and they have no coat? Gonna kick them back out then? Even if they broke in for the wrong reasons, you have to consider the consequences of booting them out, particularly where lives are on the line. It’s true, as BobmBX pointed out, that your first concern is your own family. However once your family’s safety is assured, some discomfort/expense for you and your family does not outweigh someone else’s life.
In the case of deporting illegal immigrants you have to consider children as well. Going to deport them too, even though a lot of them won’t survive after landing in Mexico with no home?
I don’t condone people illegally coming to the US; they should have gone through the legal channels even though those are completely screwed up. But the situation now is what it is: you either let them stay illegally, or you deport them en masse and watch the ensuing human catastrophe, or you arrange to have them become legal. It’s that simple. Option 1 is bad, option 2 is wrong, ergo you are left with option 3. Deal with it.
Gaunilon on September 13, 2008 at 12:24 AM
There’s no immigration problem McCain. There is an ILLEGAL immigration problem. We know the game and know exactly why you don’t separate the two.
Thanks for the buzzkill, idiot!
nottakingsides on September 13, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Gaunilon on September 13, 2008 at 12:24 AM
I think most of us who are steadfast against illegals realize that most of them will wind up staying…..we also realize that it’s greedy Americans who are luring them here not Mexicans (not only can you cheat them on wages, they can’t unionize). It’s haveing had such open borders in the first place that caused the problem.
What ever jerkwad McAmnesty does he’d better shut off the tap. If he doesn’t do that decisively first. I’ll never give another cent to the Republican party. And I know a lot of people who feel exactly like I do. Amnesty with out sealed borders is national suicide. If you haven’t noticed, this boat’s starting to sink. Check out how many hospitals have closed in the last two years in California. And try to find a job in SoCal.
Ernest on September 13, 2008 at 1:34 AM
This scenario proves you are so full of crap. Yes I will kick them back outside, because having broken into my house instead of asking for assistance proves their motive and character.
They have already proved their character and your family could never be truly safe in their presence.
First, there will be no mass deportations, other than self deportation, and that’s moving along just fine. Second Mexico is just as capable of setting up temporary shelter as we are. I don’t advocate placing a child in danger, but being sent to Mexico, where thousands of Americans pay to go every year, is not a death sentence.
We don’t choose any of those options, and like I said self deportation is working just fine. It must cause you great pain to hear that, but it is working, and if it keeps up an amnesty will be unnecessary.
DFCtomm on September 13, 2008 at 2:26 AM
There goes the lead for ol’ Juan “Z-Visa” McCain!!! Don’t worry Juan, we haven’t forgotten…Is Juan Hernndez still working for your campaign???
DfDeportation on September 13, 2008 at 2:46 AM
By the time we end up shoving all 30 million Illegal Aliens up Juan “Z-Visa” McCain’s azz, he’s gonna think the Vietnamese were pretty good guys….
DfDeportation on September 13, 2008 at 3:03 AM
The M82 can also fire north of the border, look to the right of the link to see which countries have it. Just something to think about.
HeavyHair on September 13, 2008 at 3:09 AM
Liberals were worried that if Obama won he would be targeted for assassination by rightwing extremists, but I’m beginnning to think McCain has more to fear if he wins.
DFCtomm on September 13, 2008 at 3:28 AM
Sorry to repeat myself but, “Let Obama have this one”. Donate your time and money to Conservative races countrywide.
A McCain Presidency will effectively kill the Conservative Movement. An Obama Presidency will assure at least 20 years of Conservative control.
Palin is pleasant window dressing, albeit thoroughly qualified, but powerless as VP.
tgillian on September 13, 2008 at 8:01 AM
We must help other people, this much most of us will agree with. However we do not have to help them on their terms. Their terms may not be sensible. Their terms may lead to the destruction of whatever it is both you and they desire.
In a broken world every successful country is like a life boat; it cannot hold unlimited numbers of needy people. Once your life boat has reached its capacity the only sensible thing to do with anybody else who tries to climb aboard, is to push them back into the water.
Yes, they will possibly drown. Life isn’t fair, it isn’t always pleasant and Utopia isn’t going to exist on earth this side of the second-coming of Jesus Christ, aand perhaps not even then, no matter how much we all might desire it.
I don’t know which of the successful free world countries is full to capacity and which are not (many of them have similar immigration problems), but any policy that fails to recognise that there could be a time when you have to abandon drowning people is neither compassionate nor sensible.
Perhaps the best way to help is to try to reduce the number of drowning people … but that is a whole different discussion.
YiZhangZhe on September 13, 2008 at 8:59 AM
McCain has GREAT timing..
right when I’m enthused and excited about this race, (nominating Sarah!) He does something like this that takes the wind out of my sails.. and by that I mean close the wallet before money comes out.
DaveC on September 13, 2008 at 9:51 AM
Well said YiZhangZhe. The economic and cultural future of our country is hanging in the balance. John McCain doesn’t see this. He’s too far into the elite of this country and this problem is best viewed from the ground. He wants to keep pulling those poor drowning people aboard the sinking boat. Actually he doesn’t figure he’s on the boat.
Ernest on September 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Simply delicious!
Bradky on September 13, 2008 at 8:15 PM
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