The Gray Lady Experience

posted at 4:20 pm on September 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

The New York Times editorial board scoffs at Sarah Palin and her qualifications to be Vice President.  In its lead editorial, the Gray Lady states that Palin has no “national or foreign policy experience” and is therefore unqualified to be “standy president”.  For some reason, they don’t seem troubled at all about Barack Obama’s complete lack of foreign-policy experience or his short three years in the Senate, two of which he’s spent running for the top job:

It is well past time for Sarah Palin, Republican running mate, governor of Alaska and self-proclaimed reformer, to fill in for the voting public the gaping blanks about her record and qualifications to be vice president. …

Voters have a right to hear Ms. Palin explain in detail her qualifications to be standby president with no national or foreign policy experience. More is required of any serious candidate for such a high office than one interview with questions put by one selected source.

They also include this Obama Campaign snipe:

She could explain, as well, why she was for the Bridge to Nowhere when it was first proposed and reversed field once it became a symbol of legislative abuse.

Have they asked Barack Obama and Joe Biden to explain their votes in support of this “symbol of legislative abuse”?  After all, they were the legislators who helped it pass Congress in the first place.  She “reversed field” to stop the abuse, something neither Biden nor Obama bothered to do.  So who needs to provide the explanation more, and why isn’t the Times demanding it?

And on experience, the Newsbusters note that the Paper of Record doesn’t bother checking its own.  In a July 1984 editorial, the New York Times wrote a stirring defense of finding running mates from outside the established political class, especially to find a woman to join the ticket — and wondered why mayors didn’t get more interest from presidential nominees, emphases mine:

Yet to be shrill is no worse than to be righteous, like the people who insist that the women Vice Presidential candidates so far proposed lack the requisite standing and experience. Why, it is said, none of them is even a senator.

Where is it written that only senators are qualified to become President? Surely Ronald Reagan does not subscribe to that maxim. Or where is it written that mere representatives aren’t qualified, like Geraldine Ferraro of Queens?

It should be noted that Geraldine Ferraro at this time had five years in Congress, and no other experience in political office.  She had spent the previous five years as an assistant DA in Queens County.  She was head of the Special Victims Unit, but otherwise had no executive experience at all.

Representative Morris Udall, who lost New Hampshire to Jimmy Carter by a hair in 1976, must surely disagree. So must a longtime Michigan Congressman named Gerald Ford. Where is it written that governors and mayors, like Dianne Feinstein of San Francisco, are too local, too provincial?

Dianne Feinstein had six years experience as mayor of San Francisco at this writing.  Prior to that, she was on the Board of Supervisors for eight years, serving as its president for a time.  Otherwise, Feinstein also lacked national and foreign-policy experience.

That didn’t stop Richard Nixon from picking Spiro Agnew, a suburban politician who became Governor of Maryland.

And look how well that worked out for Nixon.

Remember the main foreign affairs credential of Georgia’s Governor Carter: He was a member of the Trilateral Commission.

See above.

Presidential candidates have always chosen their running mates for reasons of practical demography, not idealized democracy. One might even say demography is destiny: this candidate was chosen because he could deliver Texas, that one because he personified rectitude, that one because he appealed to the other wing of the party. On occasion, Americans find it necessary to rationalize this rough-and-ready process. What a splendid system, we say to ourselves, that takes little-known men, tests them in high office and permits them to grow into statesmen. This rationale may even be right, but then let it also be fair. Why shouldn’t a little-known woman have the same opportunity to grow? We may even be gradually elevating our standards for choosing Vice Presidential candidates. But that should be done fairly, also. Meanwhile, the indispensable credential for a Woman Who is the same as for a Man Who – one who helps the ticket.

I guess they must have neglected to put the caveat at the bottom in 1984: “This only applies to Democrats.”

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How long till this rag goes under….

SDarchitect on September 11, 2008 at 4:23 PM

The be fair to The Obamassiah, he did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

rbj on September 11, 2008 at 4:24 PM

In the case of Obama and Biden, we need a standby for the standby.

jeanie on September 11, 2008 at 4:24 PM

NYT, end of Times…

right2bright on September 11, 2008 at 4:25 PM

But sombody who spent 8 years in the White House picking up smelly cigar butts is surly compenent to be Pres. or VP.

Didn’t she think they smelled strange?

Rick007 on September 11, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Would you expect less than a brutal contradiction from a worthless rag like the NYT?

leetpriest on September 11, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Why is MSNBC scoffed at and the Times revered? Same thing as far as I can tell.

D0WNT0WN on September 11, 2008 at 4:26 PM

What ever happened to media outlets being accountable for what they put out? Seriously?

I seem to recall times when if a newspaper made a misstatement on page 5, a retraction went on page 1 the next day. Now, all these POS seem to absolutely REVEL in reporting completely unsubstantiated garbage.

Hannity has it right. We will look back on this decades from now at the time when the media died.

Damiano on September 11, 2008 at 4:28 PM

And we care what the NYT mullet wrapper thinks because….?

AubieJon on September 11, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Frankly, before this, I was secretly hoping that Obama would win just because I wanted to get everybody off our backs, but now I say, “F*ck ‘em.” If they think she’s soooo inexperienced, f*ck ‘em. Let’s elect this woman and show PROVE them wrong.

jimmy the notable on September 11, 2008 at 4:29 PM

I’m gonna email them a rant about this. I have received responses from public editor staff previously when I’ve sent letters to the editor. My letters are always about their hypocrisy. I will wait w/bated breath to see if they respond to me ripping them a new one about their Sarah Palin hypocrisy. Yeah, right…

JAM on September 11, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Ms. Palin explain in detail her qualifications to be standby president with no national or foreign policy experience.

Is this about to become the meme for the Democrats to run nothing but Senators for the forseeable future? What governor actually has foreign policy experience? Yet I do not recall this mantra-tantrum being so crassly drummed out against Bush in 2000 or 2004, when he was governor of Texas. So what gives, except that Sarah Palin scares the ever-loving bejeezus out of the Left?

Spc Steve on September 11, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Well, I’ll be traveling during the Gibson interview, so I’ll go ahead and lay it on the line now: When Gibson brings up Obama’s attacks, Sarah Palin will challenge Obama to a debate.

Doing so would get so much attention that the MSM would have a hard time trying to nitpick anything else she says. And how would Obama respond? He probably wouldn’t know whether to “defacate or wind his watch,” as Dennis Miller might say.

So there. In any case, good luck to her. I hope she swings for the fences and puts it in the Team Barry bullpen when the infield is expecting bunt.

fiatboomer on September 11, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Spc Steve -

Her authentic charm.

JAM on September 11, 2008 at 4:31 PM

I am speechless.

petunia on September 11, 2008 at 4:31 PM

I focused on another NY Times article that tried belittling the building of the natural gas pipeline. I make the case that their article makes the case for the types of reforms a McCain-Palin ticket would deliver.

LFRGary on September 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Obama has much more foreign policy experience. He spoke to a German rock concert audience. Yes, it was in English and they didn’t understand, but it was oh, so good.

drunkenmaster on September 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Her authentic charm.

JAM on September 11, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Put that in enlisted terms:

Her smokin’ hawtness.

Spc Steve on September 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Spc Steve

That too, I suppose!

JAM on September 11, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Maybe Rick Warren’s call was to invite Sarah to join the CFR with him so she can be an approved candidate.

econavenger on September 11, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Total hacks. Completely in the tank. Not surprising.

She should tell them she has more experience than the Democrats top of the ticket, and she killed the bridge after Obama and Biden voted for it twice.

Dash on September 11, 2008 at 4:33 PM

The presidency is about LEADERSHIP and the ability to make tough, informed decisions. Sarah, should she find herself in the position of POTUS, will rely on the input of McCain’s Cabinet, as well as her own staff…She has EXCELLENT communication skills, she has prepared for natural disasters, and more than likely prepared for acts of terrorism…

She will be surrounded by “experienced” experts: diplomats, generals and other advisors, and she will make her decisions based on their input…she will also stand by her decision with a Reagan-like backbone.

Enough with the experience question…she’ll be fine. She is a natural leader.

joepub on September 11, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Does anyone else in here get the idea that all these rags do anymore is preach to their rapidly shrinking choir? Do they actually think there’s a single voter who reads this editorial that will be swayed by it one way or the other?

Who will rid me of these meddlesome mandarins?

CornFedBeauty on September 11, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Talk about fish wrap………….. with apologies to the fish!

Seven Percent Solution on September 11, 2008 at 4:35 PM

no “national or foreign policy experience” – New York Slimes

No national experience? I though Alaska was part of the nation. Palin is giving speeches all over the country, if that’s not not national experience, nothing is. And surely even the New York Slimes would agree that the Main-Stream-Commie-Media is giving Palin plenty of national experience with the liberal media.

Oh and foreign policy experience, she has more than Obama by the mere fact she dealt with other states than Alaska as Governor, when has Obama even done that much? Oh, but I do remember he gave a speech in Germany.

The Slimes really know how to make themselves look stupid.

Maxx on September 11, 2008 at 4:36 PM

How long till this rag goes under….

SDarchitect on September 11, 2008 at 4:23 PM

It’s a process.

TheSitRep on September 11, 2008 at 4:36 PM

They are right. People do have a right to hear from Sarah. They do not have a right to demand to be the conduit. 99.9% of this country doesn’t read their rag. She isn’t running for President of New York.

flyoverland on September 11, 2008 at 4:36 PM

ANNOUNCEMENT

We can use Ed’s Chat room to live blog the Palin Interview.

Go here to LOGIN.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-ed-morrissey-show

mad saint jack on September 11, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Gosh I wish I cared what the NYT thought. Turns out, I don’t. Perhaps I need to come up with an apathy meter similar to AP’s pessimism meter…

HawaiiLwyr on September 11, 2008 at 4:37 PM

It is just so obvious that they’re grasping at straws. By this stupid “foreign policy” standard, no governor would ever be qualified to be vice president, including Ronald Reagan.

Their desperate and obvious machinations and contortions are getting so boring already!

CornFedBeauty on September 11, 2008 at 4:38 PM

flyoverland

Exactly. Like the McCain spokes gal that was linked here last week talking on Scarborough, I think, she said, “Talk to YOU? WHO? YOU? Excuse me, but she doesn’t have to talk to Time Magazine or anyone else. She addressed 40 million Americans directly the other night!” (Paraphrasing)

JAM on September 11, 2008 at 4:39 PM

The Times disavows the Times. Stunning. Tks. Ed. And Dems wonder why they end up in ideological knots. See what hiding your socialism does? The closet is no place for this liberal newspaper.

JiangxiDad on September 11, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Obama-Pimps or Demo-Whores: You be the judge……..

the likely answer is “both”. It’s become primarily a platform for advertising, purchased mostly for crossword puzzles and information about upcoming sales at department stores.

“newspapers” hardly exist any more, and a look at the NYT explains why. Good for wrapping fish, though….

Janos Hunyadi on September 11, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Ouch… NY Times met itself and lost.

Seixon on September 11, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Great job by Ed in smokin’ the Times. Which, compared even to 1984, is a much diminished thing.

JudetheFossil on September 11, 2008 at 4:40 PM

The New York Times is spending it’s last shred of credibility in a desperate effort to get Obama elected. They will fail, and then they will have nothing left.

gridlock2 on September 11, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Tuck the Fimes!

carbon_footprint on September 11, 2008 at 4:42 PM

HawaiiLwyr on September 11, 2008 at 4:37 PM

You might try a heart monitor, for the NYT you flatline.

trailboss on September 11, 2008 at 4:43 PM

No self-respecting fish would allow itself to be wrapped in that propaganda rag.

Cicero43 on September 11, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Hypocrites.

Terrye on September 11, 2008 at 4:45 PM

JAM

The NY Times is not America’s newspaper. They are the newspaper of the American left and a lot of their readers have also left.

flyoverland on September 11, 2008 at 4:46 PM

I’m shocked! Shocked!

Since when did the NYT start leaning to the left?

/sarc

tru2tx on September 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Did the TIMES make the same perjorative no-international experience comments about the past four Governors to take control over the White House: Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter?

VastRightWingConspirator on September 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM

The left, at every level, has become completely unhinged. You gotta love this thread at DU.

I promise, you’ll laugh at the opener.

capitalist piglet on September 11, 2008 at 4:48 PM

I wonder how many of those hundreds (or thousands?) of non-reporter and journalist newspaper workers who are being laid-off because of their employers partisan bias are happy about this?

Stuff it, Pinch ol’ boy, your paper is dying because of editorials such as this and I’m happy to see you swirling down the bowl.

Bishop on September 11, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Are they not allowed to use “Mrs.” at the Times?

Akzed on September 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM

The Old Gray who?

The Old York Times is doing everything possible to achieve irrelevance. I wonder which exectives will get the bonus?

Lawrence on September 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM

It’s always good to have a copy of the Sunday NYT handy when field dressing a deer.

You can wrap up the gut-pile pretty well with a paper that size.

wildweasel on September 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Are they not allowed to use “Mrs.” at the Times?

Akzed on September 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Only for the domestic partners.

JiangxiDad on September 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM

capitalist piglet on September 11, 2008 at 4:48 PM

BWAAAA…I checked it out even though I knew I would have to spray myself with Raid™ afterwards, but it was worth it.

“a lesbian, a pagan, a socialist, and a FEMINIST”….whoooo, watch out!

Bishop on September 11, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Awwww… come on folks… don’t you know that the Times has EVOLVED? Its moved with the Times?

I mean, 1984 was sooooo last Century!

/s (for those with sub 100 IQs)

Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 4:53 PM

The Old Gray Lady needs an enema, STAT!

SuperCool on September 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Nice catch, and they are shameless.

They are merely the DNC cheerleaders.

sven10077 on September 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM

a lesbian, a pagan, a socialist, and a FEMINIST”….

Bishop on September 11, 2008 at 4:53 PM

All walk into a bar…

Dam, talk about a realllllyyy Non PC bar joke…

Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM

How much experience did Edwards have in 04? 2 years in the senate.

Sven on September 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM

In the case of Obama and Biden, we need a standby for the standby.

jeanie on September 11, 2008 at 4:24 PM

You do realize we already have one and her name is Nancy Botoxi.

Kafir on September 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM

You can wrap up the gut-pile pretty well with a paper that size.

wildweasel on September 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Alas, ad buys not being what they once were, and Sunday circulation reaching new lows, you may have difficulty. Don’t know if this is a good substitute for you, but do you ever need to wrap sushi? Just trying to be helpful.

JiangxiDad on September 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Truth. Honor. Integrity. Consistency.

At the New York Times, we don’t have any of those things.

morganfrost on September 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM

I don’t recall the Times asking these same questions in 2004, when John Kerry picked a one-term Senator named John Edwards to be his “standby president.” What foreign policy experience did Edwards have that qualified him to be president? For that matter, what executive experience did he have? What military experience did he have?

I’d say a woman who has spent years as a mayor and a governor is a lot more qualified to be “standby president” than an ambulance-chasing lawyer with just one Senate term under his belt.

AZCoyote on September 11, 2008 at 4:57 PM

fiatboomer on September 11, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Obama would flee like a frightened child if Palin now challenges him to a debate.

Remember the Obama basketball challenge?

She could use that as her opening:

“Basketball?? Nah, don’t play much basketball these days, I’ve moved on from High School. I appreciate the athletic respect and he’s welcome to run a marathon with me, but I prefer to debate him instead where I can use my executive leadership experience as Governor to eviscerate his claims of Presidential readiness. My guess is he’ll use the “Oprah defense” and pass, but it’s his chance to say what he wants to my face. I know his debating style with women so even if he tries to put lipstick on a pig, people will still recognize the pig behind the mask. I think it would be hilarious to see him try it though.”

econavenger on September 11, 2008 at 5:04 PM

The Times is not worthy of lining the bottom of a bird cage. I wonder about those people that still rely on it for their news and opinions.

docdave on September 11, 2008 at 5:04 PM

As a woman, a lesbian, a pagan, a socialist, and a FEMINIST I’ve had it with listening to fatuous crap about Sarah Palin.

And I bet she is just a lovely looking lady.

carbon_footprint on September 11, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Did Yogi Berra, Mike Ditka, or John Madden ever design plays against the opposing team’s assistant coach?

- The Cat

MirCat on September 11, 2008 at 5:13 PM

It makes sense to me that any question we would expect a VP nominee to be able to answer should already have been asked of a Presidential nominee, and a decent answer received, no?

So if the media start bawling that Sarah doesn’t know who the Undersecretary of Railroads for Pakistan is, would we not be justified in expecting to see video of Obama successfully fielding the same question? That sounds like a pretty reasonable fairness criteria to me!

drunyan8315 on September 11, 2008 at 5:16 PM

You can wrap a French whore in the NYT newspaper and the newspaper will still stink.

fogw on September 11, 2008 at 5:20 PM

We all know that the New York Times is a dying, left wing propaganda machine with no credibility. Who really care what that they writes? They’ll publish anything regardless of its validity in an attempt to damage Palin. How much longer can that disgusting rag survive?

rplat on September 11, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Truth. Honor. Integrity. Consistency.

These are the four demons you must slay if you hope to have any future at all with The New York Times!

morganfrost on September 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Sorry, it just reminded me of the C. Montgomery Burns advice on how to be a success in the buisness world speech from an old Simpsons episode…back when they were still funny.

SuperCool on September 11, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Petard. Hoist.

PersonalLiberty on September 11, 2008 at 5:32 PM

P-A-N-I-C

labrat on September 11, 2008 at 5:36 PM

This paper wull be finished within 5 years. The marquee will remain, publishing crossword puzzle compendium, cookbooks and maybe a bimonthly book review. But that’s it. No business this large can sustain itself indefinitey on bad faith.

rrpjr on September 11, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Remember that “fish-wrap” that the godbama mentioned the other day? Yeah, the one that stank… NEWS_FLASH…. It wasn’t the fish that stank…. It was the New York Times in which the fish was wrapped.

CynicalOptimist on September 11, 2008 at 5:47 PM

1984..

betcha they wished they had a memory hole now in 2008

DaveC on September 11, 2008 at 6:05 PM

And we care what the NYT mullet wrapper thinks because….?

AubieJon on September 11, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Nostalgia mostly.

I remember reading the NYT in a Manhattan express bus to Wall Street, sitting next to Cyrus Vance on election day. Vance was Jimmy Carter’s Secretary of State, until he resigned after the botched Iran hostage rescue. (He also picked his nose during the trip, BTW.)

Right_of_Attila on September 11, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Why is MSNBC scoffed at and the Times revered? Same thing as far as I can tell.

D0WNT0WN on September 11, 2008 at 4:26 PM

They’re resting on 157 years (minus forty for the years of liberalism they’ve promoted since the 60′s) of reputation.
I would guess they’ve only got about 1-2 more years before they’re sold. (the stock is about worthless right now).

jcw46 on September 11, 2008 at 8:36 PM

NYT
The Gray Lady
The newspaper of record
All the news that’s fit to print
A source of TP in an emergency

whitetop on September 11, 2008 at 9:01 PM

The grim reaper is knocking on The Gray Lady’s door.

SouthernGent on September 11, 2008 at 9:16 PM