Obama’s pride a stumbling block: Fineman

posted at 12:00 pm on September 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Howard Fineman gets closer to the mark in diagnosing the nature of Barack Obama’s stumble than did Lynn Forester de Rothschild today.  From refusing to debate John McCain in town-hall forums to public financing, Obama has a problem the Greeks would have easily recognized, even sans Barackopolis.  Fineman says that Obama’s pride has created a perhaps insurmountable obstacle to his success:

For two years, Obama played the golf course of presidential politics with the ice-cold self-assuredness of a Tiger Woods. But since securing the Democratic nomination, he’s made a series of strategic errors that could jeopardize his chances in November.

After traveling with him on the trail, watching him in Denver and talking to Democratic operatives and insiders, here’s my list of his errant shots …

Forester de Rothschild also had a similar list of transgressions as Fineman’s, but Fineman understands the root cause better.  The pass on the town-hall debates?  He was flying high in public opinion and didn’t see the need to risk it.  Public financing?  He gave in to the adulation, and the money.  The 50-state strategy (which Fineman limits to a 22-state strategy)?  Obama saw himself as a Second Coming and wanted a national mandate.

Perhaps Fineman makes his best case, though, when analyzing Obama’s rejection of the Clintons.  It’s no secret that he wants his own imprint on the Democratic Party, but that was more or less assured when he won the nomination.  Instead of embracing the Clintons, Obama has gone out of his way to sideline them — and their considerable clout within the party and at least Bill’s more-than-considerable political talents.  At this point, the Clintons will barely lift a finger now to assist Obama, and for good reason; he couldn’t even bring himself to add Bill to the list of Democratic presidents who defended the nation in his acceptance speech, a glaring snub that no one in the country missed.

Fineman says that Clintonistas would swoon if Obama picked up the phone and asked for their help.  At this point, I’d suspect that Fineman overstates their ability to be swept off of their feet by Obama, but the gesture would have meant something as recently as two weeks ago.  Now, with Obama sinking, it will smell like desperation, and an eleventh-hour bailout by the Clinton crowd will be perceived as a rescue of a failed candidate — and perception in this case would match reality.

The real problem for Obama now isn’t pride at all, but the sense that he’s nothing more than an empty suit.  The fake seals, the fake Greek temple — all of that façade has given American voters a sense that the façade is all there is.

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Him phoning the Clintons now would look desperate. I wonder what this meal with Bubba is all about. He said on Letterman Bubba would be campaigning for him for the next 8 weeks.

lodge on September 11, 2008 at 12:03 PM

False pride and elitism go hand in hand.

TooTall on September 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Wait…didn’t Al Gore supposedly lose in 2000 for not embracing Clinton? Seems to be a theme in Democratic Presidential politics.

tarheelcon on September 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM

“I have seen the enemy, and he is me…” – Barry Obama

Wyznowski on September 11, 2008 at 12:05 PM

It’s been easy for ZerObama until now: the MSM hasn’t confronted him with the truth that he’s a lightweight wannabe with no experience and poor decision making capabilities, ie. Joe Gasbag. The closer we get to election day, the brighter and more focused the light becomes on the scarecrow that is O.

AubieJon on September 11, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Would Bubba help Barack much like he helped Hillery?

DaveC on September 11, 2008 at 12:06 PM

That might be because he really, truly, IS an empty suit.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 11, 2008 at 12:06 PM

The day of reckoning for Obama’s political sins approaches and I suspect that not even St. William the Priapic or St. Hillary of Chappaqua will intercede on his behalf. Alas.

ManlyRash on September 11, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Declining to take federal financing for the general election

the Kos Bots only have so much allowance from their parents.. donate to Barack.. call Paul and score some weed..

hmmm.

DaveC on September 11, 2008 at 12:07 PM

And yet another major difference between Obama and Jesus. Jesus was humble.

MrFreeman07 on September 11, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Empty suit you say?…….I would debate that suit…..I would argue that suit is full….of Muslim schooling…Socialist Saul alinsky loving…20 years of Wright g-damning america…with a bonified Terrorist for a friend and partner….America Loathing…and on and on….no sir that suit it is full just full of what America niether needs nor wants….

GOPGryphon on September 11, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Use your brain vote for McCain.

http://www.myspace.com/hicaliber

Dr Evil on September 11, 2008 at 12:08 PM

At this point, the Clintons will barely lift a finger now to assist Obama, and for good reason; he couldn’t even bring himself to add Bill to the list of Democratic presidents who defended the nation in his acceptance speech, a glaring snub that no one in the country missed.

This isn’t really true.

I missed that snub because I fell asleep during Obama’s snoozer of a speech.

Lehosh on September 11, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Poor Biden. He can’t even drop out of the O-Force plane now before it crashes and burns. He probably talks to Hillary an hour each night trying to convince her to replace him so he can attend to family needs.

econavenger on September 11, 2008 at 12:10 PM

And if he weren’t wasting all his money on fake Greek temples and other ego material, he might actually be able to advertise here in PA half as much as McCain. Right now McCain appears to be getting 4-5 times more advertising on the air – at least that’s the way it seems to me.

Just like the Federal government, Obama seems to have good income, but wasteful spending habits.

forest on September 11, 2008 at 12:10 PM

“He’s an arrogant S.O.B.,” one of the latter told me today. “He wants to do it his way, and his way alone.”

Hmmm…would that make Obama a unilateralist?

Slublog on September 11, 2008 at 12:11 PM

His claims of “anywhere, anytime” when it comes to debates but his refusal to actual take part in Townhall style debates was quite telling way back when…

Yakko77 on September 11, 2008 at 12:11 PM

This “prideful” angle highlights how the presidential race, and then if he wins, his term itself can go astray because of personal demons, and the way it goes astry depends on the nature of the personal demons. He’s so thin-skinned. We don’t know precisely how his thin skin will skew his performance as prez, but it will. Although, I guess his stated policies are bad enough. Though I’ll never be rich, he wants to soak the rich and give to the poor. Michelle O’s children will be ok, but it can’t be good for the economy.

Paul-Cincy on September 11, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Would Bubba help Barack much like he helped Hillery?

DaveC on September 11, 2008 at 12:06 PM

One can only hope. I have always felt that Billy Jeff sabotauged Hillary because he did not want to be the less successful Clinton President.

HawaiiLwyr on September 11, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Andrew Sullivan said this yesterday:

“On core moral issues, where this man knew what the right thing was, and had to pick between good and evil, he chose evil. When he knew that George W. Bush’s war in Iraq was a fiasco and catastrophe, and before Donald Rumsfeld quit, McCain endorsed George W. Bush against his fellow Vietnam vet, John Kerry in 2004. By that decision, McCain lost any credibility that he can ever put country first. He put party first and his own career first ahead of what he knew was best for the country.”

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/mccains-integri.html

Think about that.

Everyone who chose Bush over Kerry in 2004 is evil.

Andrew Sullivan is mad. Litterally. This is Palin Derangement Syndrome (actually “Fear of Obama Losing” Syndrome) out of control.

Mr. Joe on September 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM

This is what happens when the MSM sets out to get their own candidate elected.

Could the Democratic Party not locate ONE electable, qualified candidate from their ranks? They had to pick/suffer the embarrassment that is O and try to pass him off as legitimate?

Un-freakin’-believable, and they deserve every embarrassing moment they’re getting right now.

AubieJon on September 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM

The deal will be: Hillary at the top of the ticket, BO on the bottom.

Bill will say, “Hillary likes to be on top !”

Mark my words – this is going to happen.

stenwin77 on September 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Pride, but don’t forget the moral equivalency that the hard left loves so much. “he’s so smooth, he’ll just go chat with Iran, Russia, N. Korea, etc, and then we’ll have have a one world group hug”.

Can you get me a bucket please?

kirkill on September 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Obama’s pride judgement intellect a stumbling block

NoFanofLibs on September 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Good advice from the Bible:
Don’t bear false witness against your neighbor…
The love of money is the root of all evil…
Pride goeth before the fall

Let’s especally hope that last one holds this year…

RocketmanBob on September 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM

What the psychiatrists referenced began with his early life alienation from love, abandonment by parents, Obama’s thorough sense of helplessness, his lack of maturation during young adult years when most people “get over” things, now manifesting himself as a compulsive abuser, specifically of women, but of any perceived threat. Obama’s modus operandi manifests his need to convince himself/others that he is no longer “needs” anyone, that he is an insulated elitist.

What does Obama bring to our nation?
Pride.
Vanity.
Elitism.
Cruelty to innocence.
Ignorance.
Foolishness.
Stupidity.
COWARDICE!

maverick muse on September 11, 2008 at 12:16 PM

The real problem for Obama now isn’t pride at all, but the sense that he’s nothing more than an empty suit. The fake seals, the fake Greek temple — all of that façade has given American voters a sense that the façade is all there is.

Not so much pride, but a serious Oedipus complex.

From a PUMA site….

OEDIPUS WRECKS: OBAMA SUPPORTERS, THE MEDIA AND THEIR PROBLEMS WITH MOMMY.

The thing that gets them really wailing is that they know that Barack can’t get up on his own two feet and actually start walking, or do much of anything except whine and cry. They are watching him crawling through the election season, while Big Daddy McCain is out working and looking like an adult. So they not only want Mommy to make it better and make him win, they demand it. And when mommy ( any mommy) ignores their whining, they throw their temper tantrums,
they refuse to eat their vegetables, and then call them bad names. All you have to do is visit the Obama blogs and you can see their mommy tantrums all over the blogosphere.And just to be on the safe side, they are now trying to point out what a bad mommy Palin is. Maybe even a worse mommy than Clinton.

Check out the button on the right side of the page. Amazing that there are some Dems that actively want His Holiness to lose.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM

The Democrats were able to win in 2006 by not being Republicans. Now that the people have been reminded who the Democrats are, they remember why they voted for Republicans in the first place. And Barack Obama is the very model of modern major Democrat.

Mr. D on September 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Pride, but don’t forget the moral equivalency that the hard left loves so much. “he’s so smooth, he’ll just go chat with Iran, Russia, N. Korea, etc, and then we’ll have have a one world group hug”.

Can you get me a bucket please?

kirkill on September 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM

That always amazed me about the Left (and not in a good way clearly) is that so many feel The One’s “awesomeness” will somehow dissuade this nations enemies from carrying out actions which threaten us in various manners.

Yakko77 on September 11, 2008 at 12:18 PM

I came.
I saw.
I conquered but failed.
Obama

maverick muse on September 11, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Some of that pride came from an honest misunderstanding of the adulation of the crowds. Much of the adulation can be explained by Biden’s early assessment of a “clean and articulate” African American. Many actually believed Obama was the one they were waiting for.

He began by saying (subliminally at least) that he was the answer to race relations in this country. And I think there is a deep longing for that.

Blacks want to be acknowledged and appreciated in a sweeping way. Whites want to put the ugliness of the past in the past. And be absolved of responsibility for the racism of the present as well as the past. Obama seemed the promise of that fulfilled.

The realization has come that we don’t need a symbol we need a leader. Obama is a dismal leader. The priority for his supporters is not the good of the country in foreign policy or the economy. Obama maybe the right answer to the wrong problem. His talents have swept him along on a wave of deep desire to heal the nation, maybe even humanity, of racism.

Symbol’s do not make good Presidents. There are too many decisions–too much at stake.

A symbolic gesture is not called for in 2008.

petunia on September 11, 2008 at 12:21 PM

BHO’s real problem is his stupidity, IMO.

progressoverpeace on September 11, 2008 at 12:21 PM

Fineman says that Clintonistas would swoon if Obama picked up the phone and asked for their help.

Sure hope not. Before it’s over, Obama would try to swap Biden for Hillary if he thought he could pull it off.

petefrt on September 11, 2008 at 12:25 PM

maverick muse on September 11, 2008 at 12:18 PM

I came.
I saw.
I conquered but failed.
Obama

Burma Shave!

fluffy on September 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM

As a traditional candidate for the presidency Obama is truly an “empty suit”. However, as a transitional Marxist he is quite potent. As a student of Alinsky he mastered the art of “community organizer”, which in truth is an organization of foot soldiers striving to organize the masses from the bottom up to overthrow the established societal order. The bottom line is this guy is extremely dangerous, primarily because his true purpose has not be recognized and exposed.

Wake up America!

rplat on September 11, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Obama’s pride arrogance a stumbling block: Fineman

fixed

urbancenturion on September 11, 2008 at 12:29 PM

On our blog I made the point that Ms. Forester de Rothschild and her husband, Claude the Baron von Espy Forester de Rothschild III might not be the best people to be lecturing on elitism.

docweasel on September 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM

I watched some of his interview with O’Reilly and heard the body language expert O’Reilly had on after the first segment. After that, I watched his body language.

It was obvious that it mattered more to Obama that O’Reilly seem “his side” than any of the actual topics being discussed. Whenever O’Reilly disagreed with him, Obama would physically reach out to him. Needless to say it was very interesting.

In a radio interview with Laura Ingraham this morning, O’reilly said that Obama was very “self-aware.”

Mr_Magoo on September 11, 2008 at 12:31 PM

This week’s Zeitgeist accumulates the consensus regarding Obama’s mental and emotional deficiencies that preclude any ability to perform POTUS functions.

Michael Savage’s opening to last night’s show elucidated Obama’s problem with women via psychiatrists’ discussions.

Savage: Obama has a classic, severe Oedipus complex: the positive libidinal feelings of a child toward the parent of the opposite sex and hostile or jealous feelings toward the parent of the same sex that may be a source of adult personality disorder when unresolved.

The psychiatrists substantiated Savage’s points about Obama, though the female termed it as deeply embedded MISOGYNY.

Plenty of details were discussed regarding Obama’s failure to overcome difficulties that many people experience. Another point was that Obama has the genetic tendency to narcissism as well as misogyny. Abandonment and subsequent “helplessness” are Obama’s bane to bear. Both psychiatrists said that though Michelle fills Obama’s need for a mother, even Michelle will inevitably experience betrayal by Obama. Meanwhile, Obama is not only emotionally disturbed, but socially disfunctional with women.

As though that isn’t enough to consider, no one except Beto Ochoa has ventured where all others choose yet to ignore. DO NOT IGNORE the abandonment Obama experienced and felt injured by his fathers, and the abuse from strict Muslim authoritative men with whom Obama was abandoned when his mother took off from time to time (their disapproval of her transfered to Obama), and the psychological impact that permanently impared Obama, an abused child who knew he was unwanted, who was twisted by every “change” forced upon him throughout the period that most people mature.

No wonder “change” is his mantra.

Misery loves company, and Obama demands that we all suffer the torments he endures, rather than seeking himself to be healed in private and live a simpler, kinder and gentler life with his wife and children. Barack’s CHOICE is to drag his babies (and wife who’s egging him on) into the limelight that he shouts Palin has no right to do.

Taking such a simple and stupid situation as the “pig with lipstick” crack from Obama (not including his multitude of snide and ugly remarks about women to women) EVEN IF HE HADN’T MEANT HARM (which he absolutely did), Obama CHOSE to fan the flames that he set like a looney arsonist who dances in the fire he set, enjoying both the destruction and the pain. There was neither the dropping of any further mention on his part of the insult (too ashamed to apologize, so feigning his abuse of women never happens), nor was there the simple apology, “I am sorry that my comment hurt any one.”

I have always said that Obama can neither apologize, nor accept an apology.

The more we see of Obama and the more we read of his life, the more obvious his radically dysfunctional mind alienates all logical people; the exception are people who share his crazed mentality.

NO WAY does Obama have any grounds to presume himself worthy of the office of President of the United States of America!

Obama’s Executive Experience 2008: Wicked Witch of the Northwest; Commander in Chief of Flying Monkeys.
…he’s melting, melting, melting

maverick muse on September 10, 2008 at 9:03 PM

maverick muse on September 11, 2008 at 12:32 PM

rplat on September 11, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Well said.

Mr_Magoo on September 11, 2008 at 12:33 PM

Hold the phone! Someone dissed teh Clinton, sent them to political limbo, on national TV no less, and we are not delighted?

I am confused.

“The Clintons will follow Barry anywhere, but only out of curiosity.”

trailboss on September 11, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Obama’s speeches- “We are the ones, we have been waiting for” (code speak – I AM THE ONE YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!)
“Change you can believe in.” (code speak- I am the change that this country must have.)
Pride, hubris, elitism, arrogance.

John McCain – Pride (most certainly) in his country “Stand up and fight w/me!”; humility – “my country saved me”, “there is something greater than ourselves”. “Country First”

The contrast is so huge! Obama is all about himself and McCain is all about America.

JAM on September 11, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Obama will be meeting with Bill Clinton soon.

After a “I toldya so”, big smile, pat-on-the-back, greeting from Bill; Bill will get serious and make an offer Obama cannot refuse:

Bill Clinton- “I can get you the White House if you do the following:
1. I now am in charge of your campaign.
2. Biden gets sick real quick, has to resign.
3. Hillary is your new Vice-President.
4. All your top management advisers are gone; mine are in. Howard Dean is history as of yesterday. And here’s a list of other backstabbing people me and Hillary don’t particularly care for. They are gone.
5. I get an office next to yours in the White House and the Lincoln Bedroom.
6. If Hillary says you bow out in 2012, you bow out.
7. Hillary has no campaign debt – you pay it off…today.”

albill on September 11, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Someone tell Howard to be quiet! We don’t need word getting out about what Obama needs to do! Let him keep flailing!

Mr_Magoo on September 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM

Ummm, NSFW warning on the trackback link!

carbon_footprint on September 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM

The pass on the town-hall debates? He was flying high in public opinion and didn’t see the need to risk it.

That’s part of it, but I think there’s more to it than that. Jim Treacher makes a telling point:

If Obama’s experience in this presidential campaign is itself to be considered one of his qualifications for the Oval Office, what are we to make of his performance over the last few days? Is this an indication of how he deals with adversity? Because — and this may be unfair — it seems to me that over the next 4 years, the President of the United States will face much tougher challenges than watching a cute lady with glasses make fun of him on TV.

Daniel Finkelstein makes a similar point in his TimesOnline blog:

So Obama was using [the pig thing]t as a jibe against her. This was monumentally foolish. And this raises questions about Obama’s character. ..the character question it raises is not that [Obama] is a sexist or that he lacks courtesy. It is that he folds under pressure.

Obama has looked amazingly uncomfortable under the pressure that Palin has put him under. He relies on his cool – it is a core part of his appeal. So he looks bad when he loses it. During the Hillary contest he rarely came under any pressure from the media. When he did he reacted badly.

So the problem caused by Palin isn’t really about Palin – it’s about Obama.

Paul_in_NJ on September 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM

albill on September 11, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Seems a rather short list…

trailboss on September 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Fox is hosting a forum on service tonight. I forget who’s hosting, but McCain and Obama will appear separately a la Saddleback.

Watching the last segment of O’Reilly’s interview with Obama last night, I could not get over how difficult it was for Obama to give a straight answer. Fineman faults Obama for declining on the townhall meetings, but I think McCain would have killed him. Even on policy matters on which a voter may not agree with McCain or believe his position is light, he’s straightforward and decisive. When I listen to Obama, I walk away wondering what he actually said and what he really believes. And that’s at least one reason his associations are troubling. They are troubling in and of themselves. But when you couple them with a candidate who cannot plainly state where he stands on anything, he’s dangerous.

McCain, with his background, should be convincing tonight when he talks about service. I hope that Obama’s positions on service get exposed. His hidden contempt for military service could be exposed. And his advocacy for his cockamamie civilian national security force of community organizers could be exposed too.

From here, it’s on to the debates, where, I want to believe, McCain will outshine Obama–because he’s far more familiar on too many issues than Obama–and Palin will exceed expectations against Biden.

I really hope that tonight and McCain’s first debate with Obama finally expose Obama for the marketing gimmick that he is.

BuckeyeSam on September 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM

My Prediction: In the next week to ten days “Slow Joe” will have either “family or health problems” and will step down from Bambi’s campaign.

Bambi, in turn will attempt to show how sensitive to the women’s vote, and his great esteem for the “Hildabeast” will humbly ask her to come to Americas aid for the good of the people (Bambi).

Or?

Over.

1GooDDaDDy on September 11, 2008 at 12:41 PM

He just needs some new campaign themes to embrace his humble side:

It’s all about us. We begins with me.
Pride in Self is pride in America!
I am, but your devotion completes me.

econavenger on September 11, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Good post and I agree.

ThackerAgency on September 11, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Well, in his defense, Obama simply could not choose Hillary as his running mate, because there his administration would be a complete mess with those other two co-presidents in Washington. His potentially fatal error was Biden. As I said here I can’t help but think that he really wanted to choose Edwards as his running mate. I think Obama knew that the combination of the black Northerner and white Southerner would have been unbeatable. But Edwards self-destructed, Obama wandered off to Europe and chose for his VP a man who represents all that Obama claimed he was running against, leaving the opening for McCain’s masterstroke. Of course there’s tons of time left for the Palin choice to turn into a complete disaster, but gievn that McCain’s prospects were practically nil beforehand it has made this into one hell of a race.

Mr. Bingley on September 11, 2008 at 12:43 PM

‘then’ instead of ‘there’ in the first sentence.

PIMF
PIMF
PIMF

Mr. Bingley on September 11, 2008 at 12:43 PM

I cannot reconcile all this ego on Obama’s part and his drab, dull performance style. He acts like it’s all a distraction, like I’m not really sure I want to be here! I half expect him to walk away before November 4th.

PattyJ on September 11, 2008 at 12:44 PM

His claims of “anywhere, anytime” when it comes to debates but his refusal to actual take part in Townhall style debates was quite telling way back when…

Yakko77 on September 11, 2008 at 12:11 PM

And he continues to use that language. In his stadium speech, and again yesterday in the “Can you believe they want to talk about lipstick?” speech, he repeatedly talked about “having that debate” and “we need that debate.” I think “debate” is a word he should drop, because every time I hear it I think, why ask for it if you have no intention to man up and do it?

Quisp on September 11, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Biden can come down w/the plague is doesn’t matter. Hilary won’t accept it now. She is waiting for him lose so she can run in 2012. I bet she and Bill are gleeful!

JAM on September 11, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Fineman says that Clintonistas would swoon if Obama picked up the phone and asked for their help.

Even at 3am?

Seriously, I agree that it isn’t pride that is hurting Obama. He’s marketed himself as something uniquely different from the usual presidential candidate and, as such, can get away such superficial things as creating his own seal and building fake Greek temples. The problem is Obama’s campaign and rhetoric doesn’t meet that “something uniquely different” standard. Obama is essentially running the same campaign as John Kerry or Al Gore. Voters are disappointed and disenchanted as a result. Further, Palin is something uniquely different and that huge shift in polling is a result of the multi-racial empty suit being compared to the real deal when it comes to something new in the 2008 political campaign.

highhopes on September 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM

So army Staff Sergeant David Bellavia catches hell for his Tiger Woods comparison in April while introducing McCain and Fineman gets a pass.

koolbrease on September 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM

1GooDDaDDy on September 11, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Ah yes. The Torricelli-Lautenberg switcharoo. I’ve said the same things for months. That should be on InTrade!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM

If BHO wants the Clinton’s support it’s going to cost him. And plenty! Mucho dinero $$$$$
Can anyone say campaign debt? How about UN Ambassador?
Or God forbid US Supreme Court Justice?

The Clinton’s don’t do anything for free.

CinC on September 11, 2008 at 12:55 PM

Fineman says that Clintonistas would swoon if Obama picked up the phone and asked for their help. At this point, I’d suspect that Fineman overstates their ability to be swept off of their feet by Obama, but the gesture would have meant something as recently as two weeks ago.

Isn’t this what Caller ID is for? I’m sure Hillary will let the answering catch this one. ; )) Sorry Zero you had this coming.

Angry Dumbo on September 11, 2008 at 12:56 PM

PRIDE…too much of a good thing?

I cannot count the number of things that I’ve seen blown due to pride (including, of course, my own). Sometimes it’s not obvious but, after some digging, it comes down to pride. Obama’s, of course, is obvious all the way around.

Moxie on September 11, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Fineman calls it pride I call it hubris.

Jdripper on September 11, 2008 at 12:58 PM

To riff on the “empty suit” meme in the thread. This may be out there so feel free to ignore. “Empty suit”, I think narcissism. The narcissist feels empty inside; his method is to fill himself up. A narcissist is often charming and charismatic. Think conman. It’s not even an effort on his part, it’s just who he is. Part of the charm of the narcissist is he’s touched by you. That’s a rare gift. He feels empty inside, and you fill him up. The problem is that doesn’t last. He has a hole in his heart. He’s like a bucket with a hole in it. You fill the bucket up with water, and it just leaks out. It’s empty again. Bill Clinton was like this too. The effect of this hole in their heart is that they’re touched by people, but there is no lasting effect. With normal people, when they’re touched, it lasts. For narcissists like Obama, it quickly fades. There’s a utility there. It’s liberating to live free of lasting emotional attachments to others. Think Saddam Hussein or Stalin. No, I’m not saying Obama is like them, but that he shares a narcissistic dynamic with them. It’s curious how many psychopathic leaders there have been in history. Haven’t we had more than our share? It’s because when you’re not encumbered with clumsy emotional attachments, you have much greater freedom. You can even be ruthless in your quest for top leadership.

Paul-Cincy on September 11, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Fineman says that Clintonistas would swoon if Obama picked up the phone and asked for their help.

I think Joe Wilson and Larry Johnson will disagree with that. Ahem.

Seixon on September 11, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Not so much pride, but a serious Oedipus complex.

From a PUMA site….

OEDIPUS WRECKS: OBAMA SUPPORTERS, THE MEDIA AND THEIR PROBLEMS WITH MOMMY.

That’s a good read, Cwac Cwac. Thanks for linking to it.

crazy_legs on September 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM

I copied this from MichelleMalkin’s site, and I hope it isn’t too off topic, but I thought it was worth another read.
Thanks to Malkin_fan:

On September 10th, 2008 at 11:39 pm, malkin_fan said:
Here is what McCain should say to Obama on the first debate:

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Biden? I have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You weep for achmadinijad, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Hussein’s death, probably saved lives. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you dont talk about at parties, you don’t want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to!

Bambi on September 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM

Bambi on September 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM

I hope you know that’s a takeoff on the movie “A Few Good Men”

Paul-Cincy on September 11, 2008 at 1:04 PM

I notice this as well:

Does all of this mean that Obama is somehow doomed? Of course not. He is a quick study and a fast learner, and the team of McCain and Palin is capable of making their own set of mistakes.

Translation: Obama is not in control of his own destiny and no matter how smart and well-read he is, has to wait for McCain/Palin to err.

w3bgrrl on September 11, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Pride IS a huge problem for Obama, as witnessed by his “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” and his statement (I forget the exact quote) that people will receive some wonderful revelation that they have to go out and vote for Barack Obama. The remark about people in small towns being “bitter and clinging to their guns and their religion” when he was surrounded by his elitist Frisco friends and thought no one was listening also showed that he believes himself above everyone else, and small-town Sarah Palin skewered him for it before 37 million people.

During his convention speech, McCain said that he did not believe himself “anointed to lead the nation”, a subtle dig at Obama who probably DOES believe himself anointed to lead the nation–one wonders how many undecided voters who prefer humility to pride in their leaders picked up on that!

Obama prides himself on his “judgment to lead”, but he is too proud to admit that he was wrong about the troop surge in Iraq, even with the benefit of hindsight. If he were smart, he could probably finesse the issue by conceding the point to McCain and trying to change the subject, but his “I am never wrong” pride prevents him from seeing the glaringly obvious illogic of his position, which even Katie Couric could figure out, which makes McCain look like a wise elder statesman in comparison.

McCain’s current strategy of letting Gov. Palin attack Obama’s record is smart. Before the conventions, Obama could paint McCain as “old and out of touch”. But Obama’s pride is taking a beating from Palin: How DARE a younger, less-educated woman criticize the Great One’s lack of accomplishments? So he lashes out at her, not realizing (or being too proud to admit) that she has more accomplishments than he does. Obama’s all-out efforts to bash Palin are scaring women voters toward McCain/Palin, and attracts attention to his own lack of accomplishment and judgment, while McCain looks “presidential” in comparison.

On November 5, we’ll find out whether the Ego has Landed, or crashed.

Steve Z on September 11, 2008 at 1:07 PM

The only fear I have about Bill helping O right now (sure, please do that, Bill) is that Hillary’s appointment to the Supreme Court might be on the table !!
EEEEEEEEEEEEK !!!!!!!

pambi on September 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Fineman says that Clintonistas would swoon if Obama picked up the phone and asked for their help.

That is not the same as having the help of the Clintons. Absent being picked as VP, Hilary stands to do better if Obama loses.

With regard to Obama’s pride, isn’t that what advisors and campaign managers are paid to do — keep the candidate focused on reality and the long-term aspect of the campaign?

I would say that Obama’s problem seems to be more flippancy than pride; he just doesn’t take the whole thing that seriously.

BigD on September 11, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Obama transcended pride a long time ago into complete hubris.

drjohn on September 11, 2008 at 1:14 PM

(actually “Fear of Obama Losing” Syndrome)

Mr. Joe on September 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Fear Of Obama Losing Syndrome = FOOLS.

Love that acronym, Mr. Joe. Well done.

VekTor on September 11, 2008 at 1:17 PM

For what it’s worth, I did my own psychological reading of Obama. Not that I’m a psychologist, but I do know something of how people respond to their environment. I once did a psychological profile of Milosevic and predicted he would self-destruct and take Serbia with him. (There are some similarities between Obama and Milosevic that tend to scare me.) Anyway, here’s my take on Obama:

Imagine that you’ve spent your short political career as an Illinois state senator, and then you spent less than one term as a US senator. Yet you decide to run for president of the United States despite stating a couple of years before that you would never do so because you lack experience. You know you have never accomplished anything noteworthy in your political career and you lack experience in foreign affairs, economics and management. Yet you decide to run for president of the United States. You also realize that you have close personal associations with Marxist radicals, an convicted slumlord and a pastor who seems to hate white people and his own country. Yet you decide to run for president of the United States. Your personal history is certainly atypically American, since your father and most of your relatives are African and you were raised, in part, in a Muslim culture. Yet you decide to run for president of the United States. In fact, you’ve wanted to be president since you were a child being schooled in Indonesia. The question is, why? What’s driving you?

Well, consider Barack Obama’s personal history. His father abandoned him as a child. His mother also abandoned him by shipping him off to her parents to raise while she stayed in Indonesia with Barack’s sister. If you’re a child and both of your parents abandon you, what then, to you think of yourself? After all, parents are, to a little child, always in the right. So, are you loved? Are you even worthy of love? What would it take to be loved? Children don’t just think these thoughts, they feel them. They incorporate the sense of worthless into their sense of self. Obama spent much of his early life conflicted over his racial identity. In the end, he chose the persona of a black victim of white society. Being a victim validates the notion that you’re unworthy. Barack could have chosen to succeed in white society, but instead, emotionally disparaged it.

Children grow up reacting to the feeling that their parents don’t love them by either confirming their unworthiness through a life devoid of accomplishment or worse, crime, or they become overachievers, hoping that they can earn the love they miss. Some, such as dictators, seem to demand adoration from the public as somehow compensating for the personal love they were deprived of. Barack has certainly chosen the path of overachievement. Yet, it seems he’s desperate to be loved for who he is rather than what he’s done. And the fear of being harshly judged for his actions seems to have resulted in an unwillingness to take a stand on controversial issues. He’s risk averse. In the Illinois senate, his preferred method of dealing with controversial bills or resolutions was to vote “present.” His preferred method of dealing with the voters is not to legislate, but rather, to pontificate in glib but meaningless generalities, exciting people with the possibility of hope and change. Then he basks in their love.

It seems to me that Barack has a fragile sense of his own self-worth. His arrogance stems from the fear of being wrong, because if you’re wrong you must be a loser and who, then, will love you? His unwillingness to say he was wrong or apologize underscores his need to appear invulnerable.

His choice to be a community organizer and politician provided an opportunity to win approval from strangers and gain power over them, but it entailed risk that had to be minimized. Barack won his seat in the Illinois senate not by being elected, but rather, by gaming the system to have all his opponents found ineligible. And what of the rush to be president in fulfillment of a childhood ambition? Being president must mean you’re worthy and surely your parents would be proud. But how do you succeed without exposing yourself to the risk of unpopularity?

After years of agonizing over his identity, Barack chose to be black, like his missing father. He chose surrogate fathers in Frank Marshall Davis, a communist, and Jeremiah Wright, the black liberation theologian with ties to radical Islam. Both men were black, radical and mainly, reinforced his feeling that a black man would never be good enough in a white man’s world. They supported his inner sense of unworthiness. And why did he marry a woman who seems, at the core, to believe that blacks will be forever second class in this “downright mean” country? Does she feed his sense of being a victim, too? Who has Barack associated with that has taught him any different? Unless he has found a way to exorcise the feelings of abandonment and unworthiness that are part of his inner psyche, he will always consider himself as unlovable. I don’t know that Barack has ever visited a therapist, but it would be difficult otherwise to heal his inner hurt. People start out in life as a product of their upbringing and cultural influences. If those were negative, their trajectory will continue until the dysfunctions of their existence compels change or destruction. But some people experience an episode in life that transforms them, such as John McCain’s being a prisoner of war or George Bush’s choosing sobriety and religion. What transformative experience did Obama undergo to change his trajectory into a political moderate who loves himself?

The frightening part is, there’s another aspect to human nature. That’s the reflexive need to be right because if you’re wrong, then you suffer from a lack of approval. So, if you feel yourself to be a loser and your parents proved it by abandoning you, then you must be right about that, too. If you try to believe otherwise, the first confirmation of failure in life will collapse your facade. And if you feel you aren’t worthy and in the end, that nobody will really love you despite all the outward indications to the contrary, there will come a time when you sabotage the success in your life to prove that your parents were right and you really are unlovable. Why did Barack jump into the presidential race long before he was experienced, as he acknowledged? Was he subconsciously hoping to fail as proof of his not measuring up? Is that why his wife, who also seems to have feelings of being unworthy, was so shocked at his success, saying she was proud of her country for the first time in her adult life? (Her Princeton thesis was dedicated to her parents because “they make me feel better about myself.”)

I don’t think Obama will be elected. The more the pressure builds on him and the more mistakes he makes, the more his inner child will convince him he’s not good enough. And that will cause him to self-destruct on the campaign trail. His poor, off the cuff verbal performances lately tend to reinforce that conclusion. It’s as though the inner tension of possibly saying the unpopular or wrong thing conflicts with his intellect to producing stuttering and inarticulate speech. On the other hand, he does sound articulate while reading a teleprompter. But what happens if Obama is elected president? Will he be unable to make tough decisions that would cost him popularity? Will he sabotage his presidency, and with it the white American society he was taught to loathe, to prove what his inner psyche (as reinforced by his radical mentors) have told him, that he’ll never be accepted? Is it worth the gamble to elect such a man?

NNtrancer on September 11, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Democrats have difficulty learning from history, and think they are the smartest person in the room. Whether it is American history in war, or American history in technological accomplishments, Dems choose to ignore our history. Therefore they are doomed to repeat the mistakes they should have already learned if they knew their history.

Algore and John F. Kerry both refused to kiss the hand of Don Clintonleoni, and look what happened to those two! Clinton won TWO terms despite the fact that many Americans found the Clintons repulsive. And we now know there are quite a good number of powerful Dems that found them repulsive as well. Those Dems have steered their Presidential candidates away from them. All that seems to do is make the Clintons pull back and watch the defeat, have Bill shake that fat finger of his at the party, make more kazillion dollar speeches and Hillary to make plans to finally show the party how to win the Presidency. I am on the side of everyone that says they are not going to do much for THE ONE MANCHILD COMMUNITY ORGANIZER. A day late and way too many dollars short!

freeus on September 11, 2008 at 1:20 PM

albill on September 11, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Wouldn’t surprise me one bit.
The Obama-Clinton meeting has me worried. The deal could be swapping Biden for Hil, or a USSC appointment for her, with something for BJ thrown in too. If Obama is nervous enough about the election, he’ll swallow his pride, grovel to Clintons, and promise whatever needs to be promised. For us it’ll look like the deal made in Hell.

petefrt on September 11, 2008 at 1:22 PM

NNtrancer on September 11, 2008 at 1:18 PM
For what it’s worth, I did my own psychological reading of Obama. [...]
Obama spent much of his early life conflicted over his racial identity. In the end, he chose the persona of a black victim of white society.

A narcissist bases his identity on how the world acts on him. Ultimately he depends on, expects, the world to fix him. A narcissist is always a victim of others. Whereas most normal people base their identity at least partly on what they do, not only on what is done to them.

Paul-Cincy on September 11, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Even if Obama swallows his pride, and tries to get Hill to help, I don’t think she will.

Hillary is as much a symbol of the feminist movement as Barrak is one of the Black movement…

Problem is that Hill’s appeal only works in a vacuum. Lib women would follow her, but the independents in the Middle are now invested in Palin… Hill could pull a few of em, but once reminded of the Clinton years, and problems, Hill is NOT what most women view as a strong woman.

Now, IF she cannot pull a lot of independents, she will be seen as weak by the Democrat Party, and her ability to run in 2012 will be diminished….

I don’t think at this point she could make a major difference in this race… and if she went all in on a loosing hand? She’s done on a National scale.

Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Obama is the quintessential “entitlement” yuppy. Because of their education, their money, their ability to discern arugala from watercress, they have no doubt they’re better than pretty much everyone else. I’ve no doubt that Obama truly believes he should be our president because he’s entitled to be; He thinks he has all the right stuff going for him. Completely out of touch with most of America.

anniekc on September 11, 2008 at 1:31 PM

False pride and elitism go hand in hand.

TooTall on September 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM

the pride is not false, it is unearned. the very definition of hubris is his vanity that he can lead because “yes he can”.

Watching him implode is gratifying.

sven10077 on September 11, 2008 at 1:32 PM

All this psycho-babble about BHO from Savage and NNtrancer above is tiresome and of little use.

You are putting too much into it. BHO is a Marxist, period! Nuff said!

It is scary and probably true that BHO will sell the USSC for some Clinton Love.

You must know a Supreme Court appointment is the Holy Grail for Marxist!!

CinC on September 11, 2008 at 1:32 PM

CinC on September 11, 2008 at 1:32 PM

All this psycho-babble about BHO from Savage and NNtrancer above is tiresome and of little use.

You are putting too much into it. BHO is a Marxist, period! Nuff said!

Yes, Obama is far left. But personality is close enough to character that it’s worth examining.

Paul-Cincy on September 11, 2008 at 1:34 PM

I don’t think at this point she could make a major difference in this race… and if she went all in on a loosing hand? She’s done on a National scale.

Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Wow! I sure hope you’re right, but I can’t help but think running her as VP would be another game-changer.

What it would take to get her to agree to it is another matter.

petefrt on September 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Biden brings nothing. Hillary was the strongest pick, and still is.

Paul-Cincy on September 11, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Hmmm…would that make Obama a unilateralist?

Slublog on September 11, 2008 at 12:11 PM

More like: More equal than others; a uniliberal

BobMbx on September 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM

If BHO changes the VP pick now it will amount to “Eagleton” no way around it. It is not a winning move.

They must be viewing the situation as desperate if BHO will make deals with BJC. Assuming that’s the topic of their meeting today.

They only deal BJC will make will involve $$$ and the USSC.

CinC on September 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Paul-Cincy on September 11, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Didn’t know, but thanks. Worth reading don’t you think?

Bambi on September 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM

he couldn’t even bring himself to add Bill to the list of Democratic presidents who defended the nation in his acceptance speech, a glaring snub that no one in the country missed.

Really? I missed it (I would be able to sit through a BO speech if you paid me).

eea on September 11, 2008 at 1:59 PM

oops–would not

eea on September 11, 2008 at 1:59 PM

At this point, I’d suspect that Fineman overstates their ability to be swept off of their feet by Obama, but the gesture would have meant something as recently as two weeks ago. Now, with Obama sinking, it will smell like desperation, and an eleventh-hour bailout by the Clinton crowd will be perceived as a rescue of a failed candidate — and perception in this case would match reality.

Astute writing, Ed.

+1

Connie on September 11, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Wow! I sure hope you’re right, but I can’t help but think running her as VP would be another game-changer.

What it would take to get her to agree to it is another matter.

petefrt on September 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM

We’re now within 60 days of the election…

LOL… just found this….

http://current.com/items/89245605_bob_barr_only_presidential_candidate_on_ballot_in_texas

Only Barr is on the Ballot for TEXAS… both parties missed the filing deadline… which is enshrined in LAW….

Trying to change Biden for Hillary would be virtualy impossible due to all the filing deadlines…

Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Rush just said he has a pretty good idea of what’s being negotiated at the Obama-Clinton meeting today, and that he’s going to cover it this hour.

petefrt on September 11, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Trying to change Biden for Hillary would be virtualy impossible due to all the filing deadlines…

Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 2:07 PM

But what if Biden got “sick”?

petefrt on September 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM

The Emperor has no clothes

SilverStar830 on September 11, 2008 at 2:21 PM

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