McCain-Kennedy was a compromise that recognized reality and would’ve helped everybody. It’s insane to me that McCain gets criticized for it; he’s the only honest Republican in the Senate. We’re not shutting down the border. The agriculture and food service industries won’t allow it. So until hell freezes over and we actually secure our border, can we do something – anything – to help deal with the problems in the real world
RightOFLeft on September 11, 2008 at 4:33 PM

…. The landscaping industry won’t allow it, the construction industry won’t allow it and now in SoCal you must be bilingual to be a receptionist, a bank teller,…. anyone who works with the public. WAKE UP – WAKE UP – WAKE UP. Subsistance level jobs are no longer for Americans and real jobs are getting harder and harder to find.

Hispanics are engaged in ethnic cleansing of blacks in Southern California, and I don’t call that integration.

DFCtomm on September 11, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Mexicans are the un-black cheap labor

Give the illegals a vote, and they are a black voter replacement squad

The rush to amnesty tells me how much American business loves the illagal worker commodity

Heck they dont need health insurance, they use the ER for free.

Business uses Hispanic labor agents who are paid to pretend their laborers are legal and make sure the boat does not get rocked

Illegals don’t match the factory drones of China, but they serve as the pack animals of American service and labor.

Just another commodity being kept out of free trade by protectionist American workers

There are certainly a fair amount of illegals voting this election, but I think it is the desirability of this highly malleable labor block to both the unions on the left, and the bosses on the right that has influenced politicians most immediately

“Well, I don’t know about you, but I think it’s time for a president who won’t walk away from comprehensive immigration reform when it becomes politically unpopular.”

You’re right Barry, that sort of “walking away” is reserved for wars that have become politically unpopular. You hypocritical, shamelessly dishonest POS. This guy frightens me, folks.

Australia’s per capita GDP is $36,300, Mexico’s is $12,800. I would guess that a good chunk of Mexico’s GDP goes to their nationalized oil industry, which goes, in turn, to graft.

Mexico is not a poor country, but it is the country that Mexicans created. The fact that it is ran poorly, and consumed by corruption with a tendency for socialism is not a ringing endorsement for amnesty and allowing them a say in our political process.

The lot of the poor in Mexico isn’t quite hell, but it’s not a nice place to send people that we’ve basically invited into our country.

I didn’t send out any invitations, and you probably didn’t either. Greedy business owners did, so I don’t feel obligated by their invitation.

If conservatives ever show any signs of being serious about border control, you can count on my vote. Until then, I think integration is the solution.

RightOFLeft on September 11, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Hispanics are engaged in ethnic cleansing of blacks in Southern California, and I don’t call that integration.

1) Sarah Palin is so flustered (which means she’s a weak woman), she needs advice from Rick Warren instead of her own pastor who is an anti-Semitic religious nut (which means Palin’s an anti-Semitic religious nut).

2) Hey! Let’s talk about comprehensive immigration reform! (Because that is the issue that most divides the Republican base about McCain. And maybe, if we all just vote for Obama or stay home or vote for a third party, then everything will get so bad that things will simply have to get better.)

And on both issues, all the usual suspects are posting all the usual talking points to encourage as much doubt and dissension as possible. And that’s because Obama is behind and he needs something to pick up his numbers fast. And what better time to do it than while Palin is busy in Alaska and McCain is at a truce at Ground Zero?

Or, perhaps I misreading all of this.

Mexico has the 15th largest GDP in the world just behind Australia, so would you consider it torture to deport some Australian?

DFCtomm on September 11, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Australia’s per capita GDP is $36,300, Mexico’s is $12,800. I would guess that a good chunk of Mexico’s GDP goes to their nationalized oil industry, which goes, in turn, to graft. The lot of the poor in Mexico isn’t quite hell, but it’s not a nice place to send people that we’ve basically invited into our country. I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. If conservatives ever show any signs of being serious about border control, you can count on my vote. Until then, I think integration is the solution.

In defense of African Americans it’s important to remember that it’s difficult to assimilate into a culture that wishes to practice separate but equal.

should’ve included Asian-americans, African-americans, among other hyphenations. This is a tough issue for me (as with everybody). I grew up with a lot of the people that we’re clamoring to deport. They’re my neighbors, I’ve worked with them at times, some are friends. On the other hand, I look around at some of the communities I grew up in, and the problems of illegal immigration are obvious. I’m just looking for a solution that’s fair to most of the people, and I feel like McCain-Kennedy got us halfway there (and the criticism of McCain in conservative circles has been hypocritical and self-serving).

RightOFLeft on September 11, 2008 at 5:43 PM

I’ll go with Asians, but it’s a tougher sell to say that African Americans as a group has successfully integrated into American society. You can say it’s justified because of slavery, whatever the reason they have resisted assimilation, and chosen to develop an alternate parallel culture.

I’m not claiming that illegals are bad people. They are people just like any other with good and bad, but it’s about what’s best for the nation. We aren’t sending people to the seventh ring of hell when we send them back to Mexico. Mexico has the 15th largest GDP in the world just behind Australia, so would you consider it torture to deport some Australian?

I am all for helping someone’s child right up to the point where you’re hurting my child, and we have reached that point. I like you’re line about integration thought, but it’s a shame you couldn’t have came up with a group that had successfully integrated into American society that wasn’t European.

DFCtomm on September 11, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I should’ve included Asian-americans, African-americans, among other hyphenations. This is a tough issue for me (as with everybody). I grew up with a lot of the people that we’re clamoring to deport. They’re my neighbors, I’ve worked with them at times, some are friends. On the other hand, I look around at some of the communities I grew up in, and the problems of illegal immigration are obvious. I’m just looking for a solution that’s fair to most of the people, and I feel like McCain-Kennedy got us halfway there (and the criticism of McCain in conservative circles has been hypocritical and self-serving).

They’re either writing in Ron Paul or voting for Barr (Now there’s a “winner”.)

onlineanalyst on September 11, 2008 at 5:33 PM

After I heard what Bar’s VP choice had to say Obama’s grades, and affirmative action, then I admit I’m tempted.

They’re either writing in Ron Paul or voting for Barr (Now there’s a “winner”.)

onlineanalyst on September 11, 2008 at 5:33 PM

I don’t know about Valiant and others, but if you contrary opinion intolerant McKoolaid drinkers keep irritating me I just might vote for Obama!!!

Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Enforce minimum wage laws, tax the heck out of international wire transfers, introduce a working national ID system. And, above all, be fair to the millions of workers we’ve been inviting over here for the last 50 years with a wink and a nod. The border fence is pure snake oil. I really don’t think the fence supporters understand how long our border is.

So it makes you wonder who’s script MB4, Valiant and others are following. It just makes you wonder.

wise_man on September 11, 2008 at 3:57 PM

They’re either writing in Ron Paul or voting for Barr (Now there’s a “winner”.)

I am young enough to be the old Juan McCoot’s son, although just barely {males can produce sperm pretty young sometimes]

If this is true, MB4, you are too young to be the commander of a field artillery battery in “the Republic of Vietnam, 1971-72″, which you’ve claimed to be

I never said that I commanded a battery, I have said that I was an 1193 (I was also an 8105) and one could be a Captain as young as 21 back then.

with no specifics, of course: you “got around a lot” and rattled off a list of cities in “the Republic of Vietnam” with no units mentioned

couldn’t look those up on the internet, eh?

Janos Hunyadi on September 11, 2008 at 5:15 PM

I have said that I was in a unit under XXIV corps (I am not going to say the exact subunit on the internet) and I don’t need to look up anything as to all the places I was in RVN on the internet other than the spelling foe some of them.

You seem to have developed a stalkers obsession with me. That is not good for you and irritating to me.

Wait, the “current” wall? Do you mean that vast expanse of creosote and open desert along our souther border? Yeah, I’m sure they’ll get right on that.

RightOFLeft on September 11, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Yes, the wall that they put into a bill, and signed, after you said they had put no security bills forward after the death of your “comprehensive reform”.

America COULD secure the borders… and it can be done easily with the Miltarys help… you know, the military that is there to defend Americas borders?

We could do it… just appologists like you will not let us.

think if you give them an incentive to come out in the open and join the rest of America, they’ll respond as well as the Irish, or Dutch Germans, or Polish, or whatever former ethnic minority we’ve come to know as simply American.

RightOFLeft on September 11, 2008 at 5:13 PM

I am all for helping someone’s child right up to the point where you’re hurting my child, and we have reached that point. I like you’re line about integration thought, but it’s a shame you couldn’t have came up with a group that had successfully integrated into American society that wasn’t European.

Actualy there were Bills put forward in the House, including the one to build the current wall, which was passed and then signed into law…

Do you even pay attention to whats going on?

Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Wait, the “current” wall? Do you mean that vast expanse of creosote and open desert along our souther border? Yeah, I’m sure they’ll get right on that.

I can’t resent their mercenary reasons. They want a better life for their families than the squalor of campesino life in Mexico; and what decent mother or father wouldn’t?

Our current immigration policy is the perfect situation for U.S. businesses. They oppose border security because that would cut off their supply of cheap labor; but they also oppose integration, because an isolated population is an exploitable population.

RightOFLeft on September 11, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Excellent point!

I long ago got sick and tired of the sleazy chuck-and-jive shamnesty politicians of which John McCain has been the chief ring leader. The reason that Republican supporters of “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” want it is so that they and/or their campaign contributors can have serf labor. They would probably prefer actual out-and-out slaves but that is illegal.

The reason that shamnesty Democrats want this is so that those who are now illegal can become legal and vote for them. Many of them probably also want to do this for the same reason that shamnesty Republicans do too.

Does anyone think that many of these shamnesty politicians really care one wit otherwise for the illegals.

Does anyone think that any of the shamnesty politicians are going to invite these Mexican Indios and Mezclados to join their elite/exclusive golf clubs?

Come to live in their gated communities, other than as servants?

Invite them to their yachts, other than as low paid deck hands and/or servants?

Invite them to their cocktail parties?

Introduce them to their daughters?

The big majority of the Mexicans who have come here/will come here are Indios and Mezclados, not the Spanish descendant light-skinned ruling class of Mexico. This is a form of ethnic cleansing by Mexico’s ruling class.

So the shamnesty politicians like John McCain are aiding and abetting and facilitating ethnic cleansing.

If the U.N. were not such a joke, they would all be standing trial for trying to reintroduce a form of latter-day-slavery in the United States and for the mass ethnic cleansing of Mexico.

RightOFLeft on September 11, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Or, spend the next two years building a National ID card, and then cut off all benefits to anyone who does not have one…

Self deportation is the answer.

I am young enough to be the old Juan McCoot’s son, although just barely

If this is true, MB4, you are too young to be the commander of a field artillery battery in “the Republic of Vietnam, 1971-72″, which you’ve claimed to be

with no specifics, of course: you “got around a lot” and rattled off a list of cities in “the Republic of Vietnam” with no units mentioned

couldn’t look those up on the internet, eh?

People in the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marines have what amounts to a “National ID”. If they are not too good for it then surely the rest of us aren’t.

MB4 on September 11, 2008 at 5:09 PM

/pulls out his Geneva Forces compliant ID card… with an expiration date of INDEF

Yep, National ID… make it free, tie it to Drivers Licenses, Passports, Voter Registration, and Citizenship… all of which could be under Federal Jurisdiction… (drivers license under interstate commerce clause).

It would solve soooooo many problems.

I have always wondered why people who oppose a national ID are just fine with using their SS# as a defacto national ID.

DFCtomm on September 11, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Does seem a mite strange. My SS# was my Army service number. I’m guessing that it’s still that way.